And ya, not to mention the way Sengoku figuretively spat up his coke when Mihawk came in. So does that mean Sengoku is afraid of Mihawk?
No really… Stop making up stuff.
And ya, not to mention the way Sengoku figuretively spat up his coke when Mihawk came in. So does that mean Sengoku is afraid of Mihawk?
No really… Stop making up stuff.
No really… Stop making up stuff.
lol actually you can thank the anime for that one. The manga doesn't have Sengoku doing anything there, I checked, but the anime has him looking all shocked and awed and stuttering out the lines.
Here's the majority of the conversation though:
Doflamingo: Haha!!! Hah hah hah…!!!
Be a good boy, haha!! Oh, you're too much, Otsuru-san.
Well then...
Let's get the talking all talked out...Marine: R...
Doflamingo: Hah hah hah!!! And get this meeting over with.
Marines: AAAH!!
Stop, you fool!!!
Stop it!! Make him stop!!
Doflamingo-sama!!Doflamingo: Hahahahaha!!
Voice: CEASE.
Sengoku: Halt your childish games.
Are you here to start a war?
Sigh... the formalities ran a bit long...
Thank you for coming.Goat: Maaaaaaa~
Sengoku: REFUSE OF THE SEAS.
Doflamingo: Haha!! Hahaha!! Hmmm... why, thank you...
Kuma: However,
he is correct.Sengoku: Shall we start? There's no use waiting...
No one else will come...
Getting 2 out of 6 was better than I had expected.Doflamingo: Yeah, I didn't wanna come either.
The island business has been too good lately.
I came cause I was bored.Sengoku: Well, that's depressing to hear.
There's nothing as unfortunate for us to hear than that the pirating business is going well.Doflamingo: Hahaha!! Haha!! Gee, you're killin' me today. You're gonna make that Buddha cry, you know?!
Admiral Sengoku...!!Mihawk: I hear a useless conversation.
Have I come to the wrong place?Someone: HAWK EYES!!!!
Mihawk: "Marine Headquarters" and "Seven Armed Seas"... two conflicting groups of equal power
holding a "round table" is a meaningless thing.Doflamingo: ...well, looky here...!!
The last man I expected to see has shown up.Mihawk: ...hmph... I am simply here to observe.
I have a bit of interest in the pirates on the agenda this time... that is all.Lafitte: Then may I say I am here to observe, as well?
...no, not quite observe.
My my, such esteemed members are present.Sengoku: WHO ARE YOU?!!
HOW DID YOU GET IN?!!Lafitte: I wanted... if at all possible,
And it goes from there. I'm just not seeing much intimidation going on aside from viewing it through colored glasses.
Kuma didn't speak in the anime did he
The Greatest Swordsmen is one that can cut the flames of fire and the sparks of lightning.
I'm running with that until Oda proves otherwise.
"well he stopped choking the small fish when the big fish entered the room, and instead shifted his attention to the big fish" so he must be scared of Sengoku! Even though he lifted his hands to use his df powers, sat flat in the middle of the table instead of taking a seat, and kept insulting him.
thats not really how i saw it.
lets recap what happend(as seen from my viewpoint) shall we ? first Don controlls those two Marines and makes them struggle and choke each other, and when Crane asks him to stop he ignores it,
and not only that he also takes it up a notch by pulling out their swords and are just about to slice them when sengoku tells him to stop or else(keep in mind that when someone else told him to stop he just ignored it) and he immidietly complies.
now going by how easily he obeys i logicaly would think that Sengoku is someone he either respects(which we know he doesnt) or that hes someone he knows better than to piss off.
ah well but i suppose its impossible to come to a conclusion just like you said with all this between the lines reading
Kuma didn't speak in the anime did he
nope, Kuma didn't spoke a word in the anime….. Vice Admiral Tsuru also didn't speak either....
So, this thread has become a debate about who's the strongest in One Piece, based on the future character. A Vs. thread for unknown fighters.
Really, it's seems like we're mostly convincing people that we're right, cause right now these people are supposed to have mysterious powers. In fact, all of them are supposed to seem invincible so far. Come to think of it, do you think the World Government even knows these answers? Like everyone keeps bringing up, the WG doesn't need the shichibukai if they have stronger guys (outside the 3 admirals) who can do the job instead. Maybe fighting a shichibukai is at least difficult to predict.
Still, though I remeber the argument that that Mihawk can't beat Enel because we don't know if we can get past the logia immunity, and it's unfair to assume that Mihawk has some unknown element cutting technique. Well…
why doesn't this apply to say...Donflamingo? Right now, he seems like an invincible mind controler--an ability with no obvious weakness. Now, while it's immplied that at least Whitebeard is the world's strongest man, and Mihawk is the world's strongest swordman, how do we rank these others?
Sengoku, for example, is considered strong it seems, just because he's rank higher then the admirals, and was an admiral himself in the past--not a bad argument in this case. However, he's show no fighting prowess so far. Now, maybe some people will argue that "doing nothing doesn't prove he can't fight " or "the absense of evidence is not the evidence of abense," it also doesn't prove a superiority to anything.
Also, for that "Strongest attack force" by the world government should not apply to the shichibukai too. Yes, both are part of the "world government" but the world government does not have any direct control over them. The Marines can ask the admirals to attack anyone they want, but the shichibukai seem to have the right to refuse--if they can refuse a meeting so easily. It seems that the World Government can only get them to beat down pirates that are conviniently in the area--a task that they all seem to very much enjoy. Hell, Mihawk destroyed Kreigs fleet for fun.
problem is…Mihawk wasn't ordered by the marines to beat down Krieg.....
problem is…Mihawk wasn't ordered by the marines to beat down Krieg.....
I didn't say order them to, I said "get them to," as in the World Government doesn't directly command the WG, but they will at least beat down pirates. The shichibukai seem to like it. It's probably like a minor charity in their eyes.
"the absense of evidence is not the evidence of abense,"
you get a gold star in my book for quoting Gin rummy xD
I didn't say order them to, I said "get them to," as in the World Government doesn't directly command the WG, but they will at least beat down pirates. The shichibukai seem to like it. It's probably like a minor charity in their eyes.
i guess the World Government gave them freehold on what they want to do…with a few restrictions.......
Just because he is the "greatest swordsman" doesn't mean he is the "most powerfull". For all we know, Shanks is stronger than him.
-Zoro's dream is to become the "greatest" (Muhammad Ali).
-Mihawk's rep has caused him to become just that.
-In order to become "the greatest", Zoro needs to defeat one who is legendary enough to give him the title.
-Mihawk may or may not be the most powerfull because of this. IN ADDITION, this means he MAAAY not have a method to defeat logias.
well, for gods sakes…. Mihawk travels the Grandline in a smallcraft.... who else does that? no one.....
he wipe out a whole armada of pirate ships and chase them all the way from the Grandline...
he use a freaking tiny knife to fight Zoro...... and stop Zoro's attack without moving...
he is a Shichibukai
he is freaking confident from the looks of it...
Mihawk is a beast….
"Greatest Swordsman In the World!"
"Rivaled Red-Haired Shanks!"
Defeated Zoro EASILY with a toothpick!
Shichibukai member
I'd put it more like this:
If Mihawk of all people doesn't have a way to physically deal damage to a logia user, then one probably doesn't exist
I agree, big time.
I'd put it more like this:
If Mihawk of all people doesn't have a way to physically deal damage to a logia user, then one probably doesn't exist
wouldn't have said it better myself!
Did ANYONE read my post…?
It's all about IFS and POSSIBILITIES. I am in no way denying that he could defeat a logia; especially since we don't KNOW what will happen.
It is kind of like how Whitebeard being the "strongest" means he will win at arm-wrestling with any other character; nothing more, nothing less.
@Masta:
It is kind of like how Whitebeard being the "strongest" means he will win at arm-wrestling with any other character; nothing more, nothing less.
**Strongest means he's able to beat up anyone. Nothing to do with raw power.
The defination of 'strong' used in anime/manga most does not refer to brute strengh. It means all aound strengh.**
@Octogon:
Strongest means he's able to beat up anyone. Nothing to do with raw power.
The defination of 'strong' used in anime/manga most does not refer to brute strengh. It means all aound strengh.
Perhaps…but what about Lucky Roux being "the fastest in the GL"? Going by this logic, he should be the fastest quick-draw, the fastest drinker, the fastest runner.....
The marines and shichubukai are stated to be equal in power.
@Masta:
Perhaps…but what about Lucky Roux being "the fastest in the GL"? Going by this logic, he should be the fastest quick-draw, the fastest drinker, the fastest runner.....
WTF?:wassat:
Where was it stated that Lucky Roux being the "fastest man in the GL?"
Lucky Roux is the fastest man in the GL, and Ben Beckman is the greatest strategic genius in the grand line supposedly.
Eating/drinking have nothing to do with fighting speed.
@Masta:
Perhaps…but what about Lucky Roux being "the fastest in the GL"? Going by this logic, he should be the fastest quick-draw, the fastest drinker, the fastest runner.....
Is Whitebeard the 'strongest' swordman? No. All it means it Whitebeard can beat up any one person n he world.
WTF?:wassat:
Where was it stated that Lucky Roux being the "fastest man in the GL?"
In the same book where it is said Mihawk can cut elements.
Oh, okay!
I guess Shanks got himself an incredibly powerful crew!
Just imagine how great Shanks is.
Oh, okay!
I guess Shanks got himself an incredibly powerful crew!
Just imagine how great Shanks is.
Yea… that's kind of the point Oda has been trying to show since chapter 1/chapter 0 Romance Dawn..
Shanks after all is supposed to be able to spar with Mihawk, and that's just his swordfighting abilities, we don't know what his exact fighting technique is.
He also has Ussops father, the most famous sniper in the GL in case you missed that part as well..
And that whole Rockstar, 91 million belli = rookie scum thing..
Yea… that's kind of the point Oda has been trying to show since chapter 1/chapter 0 Romance Dawn..
Shanks after all is supposed to be able to spar with Mihawk, and that's just his swordfighting abilities, we don't know what his exact fighting technique is.
He also has Ussops father, the most famous sniper in the GL in case you missed that part as well..
And that whole Rockstar, 91 million belli = rookie scum thing..
Uh… for the record Shanks IS a swordsman. It is stated in the red Data Book.
Uh… for the record Shanks IS a swordsman. It is stated in the red Data Book.
If it is, then that solves the Shanks/Mihawk debate as to who is stronger.
But I dunno - I keep hearing about things mentioned in the data books, and then two days later people come in and confirm that no such thing was ever said.
Does it specifically say Shanks = swordsman?
Yeah, it says so. "Great rival of Mihawk, he's a first class swordsman".
Guess Mihawk edges him out then hmmm. Bah, we need some Mihawk/Shanks flashbacks to see thier early days.
I can go for some flashbacks!
In the same book where it is said Mihawk can cut elements.
Only thing is, the supposed book this statement was in (RED databook) never mentions it. Same thing goes for the Lucky Roo statement. At least no one has shown any substantial evidence it's there. Nobody has quoted a page number or anything, only referenced the One Piece wiki page; and if wiki is your only support, you've got a pretty weak argument. I've read the only pages where it references Mihawk (42-43, 197) and Lucky Roo (153), and it doesn't say anything about Mihawk being able to cut elements or Lucky Roo being the fastest in the world.
Only thing is, the supposed book this statement was in (RED databook) never mentions it.
Yeah… That was the point.
Lucky Roux is the fastest man in the GL, and Ben Beckman is the greatest strategic genius in the grand line supposedly.
Eating/drinking have nothing to do with fighting speed.
I think the "fastest man on Grand Line" description was anime-only. Regarding Beckman's intelligence, Oda confirmed he's a genius; in fact, he's smarter than any other character introduced during the East Blue saga, trumping both Kuro and Nami.
How Beckman measures up to Chopper, Robin, and Crocodile, though, are subject to debate. :P
Yeah… That was the point.
Ah, ok. Guess I missed that post, and didn't catch on to the sarcasm.
Well it does state that Mihawk and Shanks are rivals!
Well it does state that Mihawk and Shanks are rivals!
So it's safe to assume that…whatever Mihawks level is that Shanks is close to it. Hey, are they still rivels after Shanks lost his arm? I'd think not since Mihawk is the strongest swordsman in the world, so it sounds like Red Hair is just slightly below Mihawk.
Which is very interesting, since Red Hair seems to be rumored as one of the strongest people in One Piece.
Indeed!
Though Rivaling Mihawk in Swordsmanship easily makes a character one of the strongest people in One Piece.
So it's safe to assume that…whatever Mihawks level is that Shanks is close to it. Hey, are they still rivels after Shanks lost his arm? I'd think not since Mihawk is the strongest swordsman in the world, so it sounds like Red Hair is just slightly below Mihawk.
Which is very interesting, since Red Hair seems to be rumored as one of the strongest people in One Piece.
Mihawk has made it quite clear he no longer considers Shanks to be an interest to him in the same chapter/saga whatever that Luffy got his first bounty. I quote from viz: "I have no interest in a one-armed has-been".
Shanks is apparently the Mr. Incredible of OP.
@Masta:
Mihawk has made it quite clear he no longer considers Shanks to be an interest to him in the same chapter/saga whatever that Luffy got his first bounty. I quote from viz: "I have no interest in a one-armed has-been".
Shanks is apparently the Mr. Incredible of OP.
LOL! Viz is not a good source.
In the manga and anime Mihawk says "I have no intrest in a one-armed man."
Shanks did not hesitate to challenge his rival, which means these two fought frequently.
even with one arm….. Shanks looks confident that he won't lose to Mihawk.......
if asked to list what possible stuff that Mihawk could cut, what would you say?
Probably Diamond, Steel, Kairoseki, Gold, Silver. Hell, if he wanted to, he could probably split Reverse Mountain in half.
I think splitting a mountain like Reverse Mountain is over-powering Mihawk…..
I think splitting a mountain like Reverse Mountain is over-powering Mihawk…..
Well, he is the ultimate swordsman. I dunno, I think that by Raftel…some mountains are going down. Maybe by that Whitebeard too, if he fights with super strength.
Hello.. i'm quite new, so may i share my opinion..
Well, indeed, Mihawk is The Greatest Swordsman in the world by this decade. With his accompanied by The Strongest Sword ever made by this decade.Of course, they're incomparable match.
Mihawks can split logia users into two, if he want to. Oda-sensei stated that. How he do that? Yes, i think he do that with his monstrous sword. Despicable by it black color i can assume that the sword is probably crafted with some sea-stone composite.
Mihawk seem can slice anything to. The scale probably big building or Galleon even warships. Indeed, he is one of some elite strongest people.
Talking about logia, there is one more think i say, which is Shadow.? Then, thats my opinion, thank you,
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I think splitting a mountain like Reverse Mountain is over-powering Mihawk…..
You bet. If Laboon couldn't make a dent in Red Line after fifty something years, there's no way even Whitebeard could break Reverse Mountain.
I can see people like Mihawk and Whitebeard being able to break the stuff that makes up the red line, but the whole mountain? Verry unlikley. That's no normal mountain. If that mountain were to fall apart….....
I want to know what that Black sword of his is made off…... like Gerikhabarovsk said, it should have some seastone composite…....