Finished the new season. Only 7 episodes this time around, so I guess we are doing this like Voltron.
! But only one episode with Sea Falcon, what the hell?
Finished the new season. Only 7 episodes this time around, so I guess we are doing this like Voltron.
! But only one episode with Sea Falcon, what the hell?
Catra remains by far best character. The writers had a lot more fun overall in this season, especially the planning episode.
! They also seem to have embraced the gay with Scorpina. Easily tied for second best character along with Entrapta. Just overall the villains are all way more fun than the heroes.
! And holy crap that ending. WTF are they going to do? Season 3 when?
Skimmed/scanned the 2nd season, mostly watching The Horde scenes. It was okay, still too kiddy for me.
! Catra, Scorpina, and Entrapta are the best, as usual. Nice seeing Hordak interacting with Entrapta. Love finally meeting Bow's parents. No subtlety there, thank you show. If you're gonna have gay representation, show it.
! Not sure what's happening with Shadow Weaver. I want to like her but I don't care. Maybe I should'nt have skimmed through her backstory lol. And, no crazy old forest woman. Unless I skipped her cameo.
Catra remains by far best character. The writers had a lot more fun overall in this season, especially the planning episode.
! They also seem to have embraced the gay with Scorpina. Easily tied for second best character
! And holy crap that ending. WTF are they going to do? Season 3 when?
! Entrapta or Scorpina will probably save her. But, that does raise the question if Catra will eventually join the rebellion. Let's be real, Catra and Entrapta's the only useful people in The Horde. If they go, Hordak's screwed.
! Hordak's warp machine opens so many possibilities. I know they aren't planning to brin He-Man, but I would love one episode where they somehow bring Skeletor.
! No subtlety there, thank you show. If you're gonna have gay representation, show it.
! Isn't the first time. See Netossa and Spinnerella. And I'm pretty sure Swiftwind as well.
! Hordak's warp machine opens so many possibilities. I know they aren't planning to brin He-Man, but I would love one episode where they somehow bring Skeletor.
! Isn't the first time. See Netossa and Spinnerella. And I'm pretty sure Swiftwind as well.
! Their relationship was said on screen? Oh. Must've missed it. Good on you show.
2 questions from someone who thought the prior season was ok, but haven't seen this one:
Do we ever get to know what the horde wants, or why?
And have they gotten a budget that allows them to show more than a half- dozen characters at a time? In season 1 it was less of a Horde and more of a gang
@Daz:
2 questions from someone who thought the prior season was ok, but haven't seen this one:
Do we ever get to know what the horde wants, or why?
And have they gotten a budget that allows them to show more than a half- dozen characters at a time? In season 1 it was less of a Horde and more of a gang
Yes to the first question and No to the second.
Once again Entrapta, Catra, and Scorpia are the stars of the show.
I'm thorn between AdoraxCatra and ScorpiaxCatra.
I can't stand Catra…Her and Frosta are probably my least favorite.
I'm not fully done. I think I paused right before episode 5 maybe 4.
Oh? So I am not the only one who thinks Catra isn't that great.
Also, I found it really cute the reference of the old show during Bow's imagination in episode 4.
Catra's a lot less fun when she's not being an underdog, and it doesn't help that the show's treating her sexual tension with Adora like old news. She's more interesting later on though!
Loved that Frosta went full D&D by giving herself an edgy backstory and +3 sword in that episode.
I just finished the 2nd season. It's kinda an odd episode to pause on. Buuuut. I enjoyed it. I love when kid shows actually give us more perspective.
! Bow having two black dads was surprising. But when you see Lance and George interact you see bits of their personalities that make up Bow's and it was so sweet. Also 13 brothers? Holy crap I have questions lol.
! The First One's tattoo actually being Lunch instead of Love had me dying.
My opinion of Catra didn't change much towards the end. I feel slightly bad. But for someone who's a survivor type I would have expected her to bounce. Did Adora not ask her to leave as well in season 1? Really there's no benefit and it seems like she's just being prideful and jealous.
! Also it bugs me she's so mean to Scorpia and she just wants to be besties or more. But I think if Hordak tosses her in to the beast zone or whatever she'll go after her. Oooo maybe we'll get a Battle Cat cameo.
! Entrapa's logic in staying with the horde because of tech is kinda silly when they spend so much time stealing tech from the Princesses territory. But if Scorpia and Catra leave I imagine the ranks will get filled with whoever comes from that portal.
! Spinner's plotline will be interesting…
I'm just kind of annoyed they didn't change the opening to reflect the new status quo with some of the characters. Makes me thing some of the changes aren't really going to be super long term.
Oh yeah. It still shows Entrapta as one of the rebellion princesses. Does Netflix change their kid friendly show openings? I can only think of Bojack changing their's slightly. But they don't seem to invest a ton of time on them.
My opinion of Catra didn't change much towards the end. I feel slightly bad. But for someone who's a survivor type I would have expected her to bounce. Did Adora not ask her to leave as well in season 1? Really there's no benefit and it seems like she's just being prideful and jealous.
Leaving an abusive home isn't exactly easy under any circumstances. For Adora, it took exposure to the outside world and a discovery of her own ability to shape it for her to find a reason to leave. Catra, though, has a more entangled relationship with the horde. She was always treated as useless in a society that valued strength over anything, and thought that her power just wasn't being recognized. This frustrated Catra and caused her to develop a complex about proving herself against the people who mistreated her. In her mind, Adora not only abandoned her struggle, but actively held her back. Once she overcame Shadow Weaver, Catra's sense of accomplishment in the horde and antagonism towards Adora kept her firmly on the Horde's side. Now that she has responsibility and knows the terror of dealing with Hordak, she has a fear of his wrath, too. From the outside it's easy to go 'yo, you're being mistreated, get out of there!' but to Catra, being told that would be being told to give up, to prove to everyone that she really was useless all along, to accept that her accomplishments are meaningless and that she's been holding herself back, and to expose herself to Hordak's vengeance. So there's a bit of baggage there.
Oh yeah. It still shows Entrapta as one of the rebellion princesses. Does Netflix change their kid friendly show openings? I can only think of Bojack changing their's slightly. But they don't seem to invest a ton of time on them.
I haven't watched too many of the NF original shows. Fuller House has updated its opening to show the kids growing up. It's not really on Netflix, its on the showrunners. And the style of the opening means it would have been a really, REALLY easy change to make.
So it'll be really jarring if she's still with the badguys in 50 episodes but her status in 2 early episodes keeps her right there in the opening forever. She was one of the baddies in the original show apparently so… she was always intended to go over there.
Leaving an abusive home isn't exactly easy under any circumstances. For Adora, it took exposure to the outside world and a discovery of her own ability to shape it for her to find a reason to leave. Catra, though, has a more entangled relationship with the horde. She was always treated as useless in a society that valued strength over anything, and thought that her power just wasn't being recognized. This frustrated Catra and caused her to develop a complex about proving herself against the people who mistreated her. In her mind, Adora not only abandoned her struggle, but actively held her back. Once she overcame Shadow Weaver, Catra's sense of accomplishment in the horde and antagonism towards Adora kept her firmly on the Horde's side. Now that she has responsibility and knows the terror of dealing with Hordak, she has a fear of his wrath, too. From the outside it's easy to go 'yo, you're being mistreated, get out of there!' but to Catra, being told that would be being told to give up, to prove to everyone that she really was useless all along, to accept that her accomplishments are meaningless and that she's been holding herself back, and to expose herself to Hordak's vengeance. So there's a bit of baggage there.
I see your points. I still find her obnoxious and irritating.
@Robby. Well I dunno. I forgot Fuller House existed. Also I figured live Action would be easier to slap together a new opening. I didn't recall Entrapa being a villain originally. That's kinda interesting. Was she anything like this version?
@Robby. Well I dunno. I forgot Fuller House existed. Also I figured live Action would be easier to slap together a new opening. I didn't recall Entrapa being a villain originally. That's kinda interesting. Was she anything like this version?
She didn't show up till the second season.
And basically no one on the old show was anything like their version on the new show. It's pretty much a whole cloth reimagination aside from the premise and the names. They were all much, much worse in the old one.
And even in animation that opening would be easy to change. You remove a half second of footage where she's actually animated in the front sequence…. (and actually since she's between the good and badguy sections she's probably okay there....) and then remove her from one still frame and then insert her into a different still frame. No new animation or complicated intertwining needed, it'd be super easy. I could Photoshop it in about five minutes from the raw flat assets, someone with the actual layered files in front of them should be able to do it cleanly in like two seconds.
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True should be easy fixes…Also I didn't realize those two other princesses who rarely get to speak were hugging lol.
Also holy crap that clip was ridiculous lol.
Just finished the second season last night
! Catra's character development is phenomenal, even if I am rooting for her much less in this season than in the last one. In the last season it was easier to feel her pain and want her to succeed, in this one her weaknesses break through so much more and make her harder to sympathize with overall. But they make for such great character development, particularly her interactions with Shadow Weaver, that I can't fault them for it. Her nastier streaks in this season all make sense character-wise, so it's not just an evil character being evil because evil, and I love that.
! Entrapta being wacky for the sake of wacky still kind of tires me, she's probably the least redeemable character for me. Almost everyone in the horde I can like for being on the Horde side due to their own personal reasons and ambitions, but Entrapta causing actual serious harm and potential death on an entire planet and just being derpily happy anyway and showing barely any remorse when interacting with clearly distraught Bow and Glimmer… it makes her seem so cruel to me.
! Talk about reasons and ambitions, I want to know more about how Scorpia wound up on the Horde side because she's quickly becoming one of the most likable characters. The planning episode threatened to go too far into her quirkiness, but it was still hilarious, and the show still makes her threatening when she's fighting the rebels. Then the sea hawk interaction in that one episode gave her such a strong showing that I start to hope she gets what she wants and Catra notices what she can provide.
! Bow is the other main winner of these episodes. He was always likable in the first season but in this one he was just particularly strong, often being the person in the main trio that brought everyone to their senses and moved the plot forward. The episode with his dads was also sheer fun, and his moment in the planning episode was easily a highlight of the season.
! Hope more episodes are coming soon, the more this show goes the more impressed I am by the writing and consistency of the characters. I wish is that the scope of the show was larger, but with only seven episodes in a season I'm perfectly fine with the fact that the show limits itself in how many characters get focus since it allows for those characters to have really strong arcs and personalities.
Season 3 hits August 2nd.
The new season is out and 6 episodes long, which combines with S2's 7 to make one of the orders of 13 they were given initially. Guess they split up the season and renamed it? Maybe they had their total order cut but were still promised 4 seasons so they split 3 cover it. Or we'll still get the original 52 episode order just divided into more seasons for whatever reason.
If its like Voltron and Dragon Prince, they just split the "traditional" seasons so we can get runs of episodes every couple months instead of there being nine-twelve month gaps while waiting for 13 episodes to be drawn.
Netflix is weird about that, they don't after the fact count added episodes as part of the previous season, they just make it the "new" season. Which is probably the simplest way to do it in their format and still make it clear that they are new episodes. But when it hits dvd it'll still be in 13 or 26 episode chunks. (Voltron for instance had seasona 1 and 2 for one set, then seasons 3-6 for another)
So at a guess I'd say the series is plotted around 4 sets of 13, since plotting with one long first season then 3 short seasons is weird.
One does wonder where all those Swiftwind shorts fall into the numbers though.
Well there's a lot to unpack.
! But I guess Catdora ship is beyond sunken by now. Scorpia and Entrapta keep stealing the show.
Well that had a lot going on for sure.
! I'm guessing Micha is actually alive somewhere based on his cut off words.
! I had started liking Catra a smidgen. But I still don't like her like her lol. Tolerable for her type of villain.
! This season had a lot of…I dunno. What was with the Entrapa Hordak thing? I'm not sure I liked where that was going. But it also depends on how old everyone is supposed to be lol.
! Scorpia is still best princess.
! Glimmer is still massively annoying. She yells way too much when she's trying to explain stuff. I can see why her mom wouldn't really take her seriously.
! All in all that was a pretty good reality warping mess they got into.
! This season had a lot of…I dunno. What was with the Entrapa Hordak thing? I'm not sure I liked where that was going. But it also depends on how old everyone is supposed to be lol.
But….That was the best thing of this season.
! Entrapta and Hordak were great! Seeing a more human side of Hordak and the way this season ended, I wonder if they're going to be building towards an alliance of She-ra and Hordak vs Horde Prime for the long term. Redeeming him seems a bit much considering what he made everyone go through, but maybe once he realizes that he was replicating what he was made to go through, he'll realize who he should be taking his anger out against.
Well, that was a lot of stuff happening in thet season.
Catra is still my favorite of the bunch by far (With Entrapta and Scorpia right behind) but…. yeah. That's definitely a tipping point for her. It's going to be reeeeeal hard to come back from that.
But it also depends on how old everyone is supposed to be lol.
Showrunners haven't pinned down exact ages because I guess they didn't need to but they and the art team have given out roughs. Adora and Catra are 17 or 18. Presumably so are Bow and Glimmer.
Frosta is the only canon age we have, and she's 11.
Mermista and Seahawk I have to assume are in their 20's.
Entrapta is apparently 28-30, same age as her character designer. A it older than the others.
Late 20s early 30s? Noice I'll allow the Hordak ship to sail then lol.
The evil horde.
Also apparemtly this was an inbetween frame that was ultimately cut but became an office in-joke. (And an inbetween it looking weird is okay because its bridging two moments, but…)
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So apparently Netflix is going to do a He-Man show now. The press release makes it seem like it'll be independent from She-Ra, different showrunners, art style, and continuity, so it gets its own thread for now. If at a later date the shows prove to have more in common threads can be merged then.
So I finally got around to giving this show a chance and, wow, three seasons in less than a year? That's…something.
Anyway, watched the first episode last night. Pretty solid, great animation, and Catra is immediately the standout character.
Also, Dreamworks made this? Huh, never noticed that.
So I finally got around to giving this show a chance and, wow, three seasons in less than a year? That's…something.
They're Netflix seasons so that doesn't mean much. They took a normal season 2 and cut it in half to make seasons 2 and 3 with a shorter than normal wait time, so those "seasons" are only 6 or 7 episodes long. The way the cliffhangers and climaxes work out its pretty clear that 13 episode chunk or seasons 2 and 3 was meant to be a single season, its only 26 eps total so far.
They did the same thing with Voltron for its middle seasons, and some of their live action shows. Lets them keep content flowing instead of going a year without episodes which can be death to momentum, especially on kid's shows. (Also lets them boast a higher season count when they sell the dvds I guess.)
So Catra is going to be the villain.
I already hate this.
I've only watched a few episodes of the first season, but it feels like it's trying too hard to be Steven Universe.
So Catra is going to be the villain.
I already hate this.
She is a villain yes, but she remains my favorite character on the show and she's by far the most interesting. Especially once she starts getting her own backup.
I've only watched a few episodes of the first season, but it feels like it's trying too hard to be Steven Universe.
No. No it's not. Unless you mean by the bright girl-friendly pastel color palette, but that's kind of a standard.
Finished Season 1. Not an amazing or groundbreaking series (not that I was expecting it to be), but still pretty fun.
Actually, what I think is really cool and progressive about this series (aside from the LBGTQ stuff) is how all the characters, the Horde included, are basically good people, some of them just happen to be fighting on the wrong side. Except of course for Hordak and Shadow Weaver who are the typical evil big bads.
But of course, as everyone has said, the best part of the show is Catra and her relationship with Adora. It's really frustrating and kind of heart-breaking because you really want these two to reconcile, but Catra's pride just won't let it happen. And that alone is incentive enough for me to continue this series and see where it all goes.
Look what the showrunner drew.
Wow Catra you just crossed a line…
! Saying you’re not friends with Scorpia. Bad kitty, bad kitty.
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Okay, real talk…
! Double Trouble is the MVP of the season, right?
Okay, real talk…
! Double Trouble is the MVP of the season, right?
I'm only 3 episodes in.
! But yes. Fo sho.
Also on Catra…
! Catra abusing people. .."Why does everyone leave me!?"
Glimmer…
! How does she get worse every season?
Ok is it wrong to think that the manipulative seneschal and Swiftwind have more common sense than 2/3 of the cast?
! That was a fast descend into madness to Catra.
Oh Glimmer you were doing so well for most part and then you ruined it.
Scorpia and Entrapta are still my favorites but Double Trouble is a MVP.
So, the forum was kinda down while I assume everyone was watching this season, but whoo. Stuff happened.
Nice to know they had a four season arc planned from the get, that seems to have paid off now and it'll be real interesting to see what the final season does.
! I kind of get the feeling they may end up letting all the villains off the hook. Catra seems to have learned some sort of lesson even if she's gone too far before, and Hordak has signs maybe? Scorpia is already off the hook, she was never that bad.
! And all the She-Ra lore and true purpose stuff. And the breaking of the sort. Yikes! Reeeal curious to see what they do with that, or if they just let Adora be Adora the entire last season, since it was never all that much about She-Ra… in much the same way the Voltron reboot was rarely about Voltron, and only had the actual robot in maybe a dozen episodes.
Also Glimmer became truly insufferable.
So, the forum was kinda down while I assume everyone was watching this season, but whoo. Stuff happened.
Nice to know they had a four season arc planned from the get, that seems to have paid off now and it'll be real interesting to see what the final season does.
! I kind of get the feeling they may end up letting all the villains off the hook. Catra seems to have learned some sort of lesson even if she's gone too far before, and Hordak has signs maybe? Scorpia is already off the hook, she was never that bad.
! And all the She-Ra lore and true purpose stuff. And the breaking of the sort. Yikes! Reeeal curious to see what they do with that, or if they just let Adora be Adora the entire last season, since it was never all that much about She-Ra… in much the same way the Voltron reboot was rarely about Voltron, and only had the actual robot in maybe a dozen episodes.
Also Glimmer became truly insufferable.
I thought this was probably the best season of She-Ra yet, that balanced interesting season-long arcs with a couple fun character episodes that still played into said arcs.
The big divider on this season is definitely Glimmer-
! I found the issues she was dealing with this season to be reasonable and even sympathetic for the most part. A clash with Adora's leadership is natural given her new role, but it simply went on for too long. I still liked seeing Glimmer develop more as a character and found her argument regarding the Heart of Eternia to be reasonably compelling given her knowledge. It just shouldn't have dominated the season as much as it did.
! On a slightly related note, the final conflict between Adora and Lighthope felt underwhelming. I wanted some other character to have an impact on Adora or Lighthope in order to change the tide, instead of basically just a really dramatic argument with minimal shifts.
Man, I dunno
[hide]I can understand where Glimmer getting some newfound hate is coming from, and it's not entirely unjustified, but as Jabberwok said she does have her strong enough reasons, and the last epiode did lay into how much like Catra she was becoming. Maybe I just love my morally grey female antiheroine figures (Rose Quartz, Princess Carolyn).
Easily the best Season so far btw, what with "Hero" alone. Also echoing everyone saying Double Trouble is MVP.
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Dunno
! Mermista/Seahawk and Hordak/Entrapta seemed like itens. Well until Hordak got rebooted. While Scorpia/Catra and Catra/Adora never really went anywhere.
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While Scorpia/Catra and Catra/Adora never really went anywhere
…because they're not couples? None of the those characters are established as gay?
Yeah we can infer all we want and say its obvious, (and it is) but there was nothing official to indicate any romance there.
Hordak/Entrapta seemed like itens
Yes, that would fall under "tragic".
Whoo! What a season!
! So, coincidentally, I caught up on Seasons 2 and 3 (or just 2, whatever) just a few days before Season 4 premiered (or 3, whatever. Dammit Netflix). So basically it's like I was watching all 39 episodes in one go.
! So from that perspective, I have to say that this was easily best season yet. Season 1 I thought was fine. And season 2, while better, still didn't get above just "good" for me. But Season 3 (we'll just call it that since, for all intents and purposes, that's what it is) is the first season I can safely say was truly great. This is the first time I was totally invented and really wanted to watch each episode to see what would happen next. Naturally, I can't wait to see what happens in the next and presumably last season. Anyway, some observations:
! -Glad they updated the opening, if only a little bit
-This season did a much better job of balancing its characters. Season 2 was kinda weak in that Swiftwind and the Princesses were basically forgotten after the first few episodes. That said, I think Catra is the one who suffered the most this season since she didn't do much aside from just get pissy at everyone.
-A little surprised Glimmer is apparently getting so much hate. Yeah, she made some pretty bad decisions, but I at least understood where she was coming from. Plus, I love her new hairstyle.
-Double Trouble was definitely the standout new character this season (dumb name though).
-I'm actually glad we got a break from Entrapta this season as her schtick can get kind of annoying, but I'm still glad to have her back.
This was very much the best season. Double Trouble MVP 100%.
! Their truth about thinking about kids falling in order to cry really nailed down that slot for me lol.
! Scorpia is my favorite princess now that she finally told Catra what she needed to said. She is a bad friend.
! Mermista is second best for the detective episode and then having a bath and ice cream wallowing. I forgot she has a mermaid tail.
! Frosta was adorable when trying to bond with Scorpia when she worried she overstepped by making ice pincers lol.
! I felt so bad for Bow. Glimmer really was being much more of a problem than what seemed tolerable. I get missing her mother and learning magic but straight up not listening to Bow and Adora about the giant doom weapon not being a good thing was super stupid. Cause now with the sword broken they really can't use it to vaporize Hordak Prime's forces.