Jimbe and Momo are the same person?!?!!!?
Official Wano Thread
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What? No!
He is Momo's sister.
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Actually from what is implied by the series it seems that Moriah and his crew were probably storing dead bodies for Moriah to reanimate later well before he met Hogback. When Hogback met Moriah he had already acquired Oars' body and claims that had he made it a zombie before he wouldn't have lost to Kaido.
-[23 years ago] Ryuma's corpse and sword are stolen by Moriah
-[13 to 12 years ago] Moriah rivals Kaido and his crew is slaughtered in the process.
-[12 years ago] Moriah recruits Hogback, Perona, and Absalom.
-[7 years ago] Ryuma is reanimated
=DI'm probably missing things, but I don't recall anyone saying Ryuma´s body was stolen from Wano, I always thought, he went on adventure and died somewhere, and Moria just happened to found him.
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In the chapters before arriving at Dressrosa Kinemon fights Zoro for Ryuuma's sword, stating that it was stolen from that hero's grave in Wano. Also, I think it is mentioned in the Seppuku chapter, when the magistrate assumes Zoro is related to that same incident.
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In the chapters before arriving at Dressrosa Kinemon fights Zoro for Ryuuma's sword, stating that it was stolen from that hero's grave in Wano. Also, I think it is mentioned in the Seppuku chapter, when the magistrate assumes Zoro is related to that same incident.
I recall Kin'emon trying to fight Zoro for it, may be the shitty translation I got, but I've got something like 'The sword was stolen from the hero of Wano', and said statement didn't imply it was explicitly stolen from the land of Wano, so I just thought, well he probably died adventuring around.
the Wikias aren´t helping me clarifying this, but well, seems like Moria had a big adventure there already. -
I recall Kin'emon trying to fight Zoro for it, may be the shitty translation I got, but I've got something like 'The sword was stolen from the hero of Wano', and said statement didn't imply it was explicitly stolen from the land of Wano, so I just thought, well he probably died adventuring around.
the Wikias aren´t helping me clarifying this, but well, seems like Moria had a big adventure there already.The translation I had specifically mentions tomb violation. And since Wano is a closed country, said tomb must have been in Wano. That's the major information we have in my opinion. Let's see how it turns out
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From the last chapter, that certain Pirate incident 23y ago could be what trigger the downfall of the Kozuki clan. I'm not sure why would Moriah steal Ryuma's body 23y ago and kept him on his ship or what? When he fought Kaidou we don't know if he used zombies/reanimated people and we only know that he choosed that option for a crew after his living crew were all killed by Kaidou. Anyway, the part where Orochi sent Kaidou after him could be true at some extent.
You guys are doing good thinking. Seems like Kaido's involvement 23 yrs ago and his defeat 12 yrs ago could indeed be related and a key go the Kozuki's downfall. Oden after his adventures with WhiteBeard and Roger respectively was pushing to open the borders still and a pirate destroying the burial grounds of their hero and stealing his body couldn't have been a good thing. So using that pirate's adversary to gain control and take over seems good although hypocritical. He's using a pirates help to help "protect Wano" in their minds by keeping the borders closed. Oden trying to open the borders possibly could've started the Ryuma incident and thus the Kozuki's downfall.
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I recall Kin'emon trying to fight Zoro for it, may be the shitty translation I got, but I've got something like 'The sword was stolen from the hero of Wano', and said statement didn't imply it was explicitly stolen from the land of Wano, so I just thought, well he probably died adventuring around.
the Wikias aren´t helping me clarifying this, but well, seems like Moria had a big adventure there already.https://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/909/13
Here is the page where the Wano people say that 23y ago amist a certain pirate incident someone stole Ryuma's body and sword.
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Actually from what is implied by the series it seems that Moriah and his crew were probably storing dead bodies for Moriah to reanimate later well before he met Hogback. When Hogback met Moriah he had already acquired Oars' body and claims that had he made it a zombie before he wouldn't have lost to Kaido.
-[23 years ago] Ryuma's corpse and sword are stolen by Moriah
-[13 to 12 years ago] Moriah rivals Kaido and his crew is slaughtered in the process.
-[12 years ago] Moriah recruits Hogback, Perona, and Absalom.
-[7 years ago] Ryuma is reanimated
=DFrom the last chapter, that certain Pirate incident 23y ago could be what trigger the downfall of the Kozuki clan. I'm not sure why would Moriah steal Ryuma's body 23y ago and kept him on his ship or what? When he fought Kaidou we don't know if he used zombies/reanimated people and we only know that he choosed that option for a crew after his living crew were all killed by Kaidou. Anyway, the part where Orochi sent Kaidou after him could be true at some extent.
I don't remember that it was ever said that it was actually Moria or his crew that stole Ryuuma's body. So somehow I always thought that someone else took it and then it ended up in Moria's hands later on. Though I don't know why someone else other than Moria would want to steal dead bodies; it would have been more logical to just steal the sword if it was someone else… So maybe it was Moria, but I also got the impression that Moria started to gather a zombie army only after he got defeated by Kaido, so like RigaCrypto said, why would he just keep Ryuuma's body for years?
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https://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/909/13
Here is the page where the Wano people say that 23y ago amist a certain pirate incident someone stole Ryuma's body and sword.
ah thank you, now I'm more confidently hyped Moria would show up here.
btw, nice Luffy vs Kata comp, spent 1 hour on it while eating cookies.
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I don't remember that it was ever said that it was actually Moria or his crew that stole Ryuuma's body. So somehow I always thought that someone else took it and then it ended up in Moria's hands later on. Though I don't know why someone else other than Moria would want to steal dead bodies; it would have been more logical to just steal the sword if it was someone else… So maybe it was Moria, but I also got the impression that Moria started to gather a zombie army only after he got defeated by Kaido, so like RigaCrypto said, why would he just keep Ryuuma's body for years?
He was probably saving it to reanimate once he found a doctor like Dr. Hogback who could fix it up. The same way he was doing with Oars.
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I don't remember that it was ever said that it was actually Moria or his crew that stole Ryuuma's body. So somehow I always thought that someone else took it and then it ended up in Moria's hands later on. Though I don't know why someone else other than Moria would want to steal dead bodies; it would have been more logical to just steal the sword if it was someone else… So maybe it was Moria, but I also got the impression that Moria started to gather a zombie army only after he got defeated by Kaido, so like RigaCrypto said, why would he just keep Ryuuma's body for years?
It was never stated that it was Moriah/any of his subordinates that stole the body, it was just pure assumption. Again, i can't see why somebody would want his dead body except Moriah. My guess is that Moriah was collecting strong corpses/corpses of powerfull characters in order to someday revive them via his power.
Now, we saw that Moriah kept Oars/Oz in a huge freezing chamber on Thriller Bark. By the time he approaced Hogback i think he had a normal ship (https://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/468/9) and as Moriah himself stated iirc after Kaidou wiped out his crew, he established himself in the Florian Triangle and i pressume that is when he build Thriller Bark (not to mention that it would've been impossible to travle via Fishman island with the huge theme park raft).
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What if at this time Moriah and Kaido were more like Luffy and Law, they both got in, Moriah went graberobing and Kaido got hired by Orochi.
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I’m gonnna make a speculation here. There’s going to be a “Strongest Swordsman in Wano” with the title and fame and everything and Zoro will meet him obviously but they won’t actually ever fight. And it won’t even be clear if Zoro’s actually stronger than the guy. The plot will be either 1) This Samurai Wants to fight Zoro because he is a battlemonger and something stops it from Happening or 2) This Samurai is like Mihawk and only cares to fight if he’s the one who gets challenged.
I think the presence of such a guy would help explore Zoro’s dream and since they never actually fight, This Samurai technically remains Wano’s best Samurai if he was weaker than Zoro and if he was stronger, Zoro would never get compelled to try and beat the guy then.
I got this idea from Afro Samurai with the whole, what it would actually be like to be the best. I think this Wano Samurai would also be completely unaffiliated with the Beast pirates or the rebels or the Shogun. Just like how Afro only had the title of No.1 after it was all said and done, this guy wouldn’t have anymore allegiances outside of himself and his title.
Lastly, what’s the plot significance? Like I said, it’s to explore Zoro’s dream and differentiate it from a guy like Afro or Mihawk or in this case, the Wano Samurai. To show how that trope of detaching yourself from humanity to achieve your goal turns out if Zoro has decided to remain a lone Swordsman back in East blue. A sort of path not traveled thing.
Edit :This also would fit into the theme of Wano as an arc since this Wano Samurai will be a man with Zoro levels of Potential but since he’s in an Isolated country, he never actually knows how big the outside world is and so the country’s Isolationism itself actually reduces his ambitions because it makes him settle for Wano’s Best instead of going out to sea like Zoro did to fight the World’s best himself. And I Imagine at the end of the Wano arc, when the first news papers fall into Wano, he will be completely surprised to find out that Mihawk even exists and the last shot of him will be a sly grin since he’s finally found something greater to strive for again.
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What if at this time Moriah and Kaido were more like Luffy and Law, they both got in, Moriah went graberobing and Kaido got hired by Orochi.
Could be. Even though 10y ago Kaidou probably didn't have that many forces at his command, neither was Moriah that strong to say that if he had zombies he would've defeated Kaidou. I mean com'on, if 0 skill - 0 talent Usopp managed to beat Perona (the circumstances dont matter), then i really doubt Moriah would've had the upper hand with a couple of zombies against Kaidou.
So the scenario where he was coopearting with Kaidou, they did something fishy in Wano, Kaidou blamed everything on Moriah to save face and then attacked him is possible. Something must have happend because the people of Wano seem to not have any problem with the factories, Kaidou's crew hanging around and Orochi sharing his bed with him - i'm not talking here about the poor people that Luffy&co encountered, but the people that live in the capital, etc, etc.
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The context is that Moria's original crew was completelly killed, so he had only low tier disposable zombies and pirates, not even Absalom would have been with him back then. Perona was like 10 and Hogback was still a prominent doctor.
With the way that the people act around Kaido's goons, propaganda, plain and simple. I think we haven't got anyone on the flower capital talk about Kaido yet, so they could claim ignorance on all the bad shit going around as they didn't even bother to look outside their valley/wall/golden cage.
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Could be. Even though 10y ago Kaidou probably didn't have that many forces at his command, neither was Moriah that strong to say that if he had zombies he would've defeated Kaidou. I mean com'on, if 0 skill - 0 talent Usopp managed to beat Perona (the circumstances dont matter), then i really doubt Moriah would've had the upper hand with a couple of zombies against Kaidou.
Your assuming too much here. Both Moriah and Kaido are very strong. Moriah only claims that if he had Oars he would've won. I think Moriah had zombies as it seems that Dr. Hogback is only needed to prepare, repair, and strengthen the zombies, I believe if a corpse is available Moriah can still reanimate it albeit with a shorter shelf life.
The context is that Moria's original crew was completelly killed, so he had only low tier disposable zombies and pirates, not even Absalom would have been with him back then. Perona was like 10 and Hogback was still a prominent doctor.
With the way that the people act around Kaido's goons, propaganda, plain and simple. I think we haven't got anyone on the flower capital talk about Kaido yet, so they could claim ignorance on all the bad shit going around as they didn't even bother to look outside their valley/wall/golden cage.
I don't think Kaido and Moriah were working together. I feel like their rivalry was getting intense and Moriah went to Wano to look for more powerful corpses to reanimate. He found Ryuma but like others of the past it was in too poor condition to reanimate. 3 years after the "Pirate Incident" that desecrated Ryuma's burial grounds. Kaido was recruited by Orochi to defeat Moriah for what he had done, learning of his history with Moriah. With Kaido's help Orochi killed the Oden Clan and took control of Wano. 8 years later Moriah would be defeated by Kaido and his crew would be killed.
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Some people have suggested what if Nami is momo's sister…this makes those scenes where momo hugs Nami even more awkward lol
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well with Inu and Momo just put in there, despite lots of us thought they were going to arrive heroically with Zunisha, there's a bit of hope that Jinbe shows up earlier, well I hope so.
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Did bege's bounty go up at all? damn Luffy got all the credit loll too funny. especially jumping out of the cake like that
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Now that we know there are two heirs of the Kozuki, whom will become the Shogun. It does open up the possibility for any of the two, Momo or Hiyori to set sail like their father did.
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@Buggy:
Some people have suggested what if Nami is momo's sister…this makes those scenes where momo hugs Nami even more awkward lol
The fruit presumably only transports through time, not space. And it's unlikely Bellemere, as a Marine, would have ever been in Wano.
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I posted this elsewhere but I guess this is as good place as any. This is a specific play out of the Wano arc based on Japanese Myths
In Japanese folklore, there’s a few myths concerning the moon and rabbits which you can check out here;
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_rabbit
Now there’s two very distinct ones I’d like to point out.The first is the myth that there’s a RABBIT on the MOON pounding MOCHI. Of course This is very easy for everyone to work out how it got used in One Piece. Carrot was the first Mink to be shown to perform Sulong by staring at a full moon, while at that exact time, Luffy was essentially, Pounding Mochi(and also getting pounded back). So once again this is Oda being clever with his references to Japanese Folklore. You’d think this is why Carrot is in the plot, just for this one reference but there’s more. We know the moon is still playing a big part in the story, actually even more than it did in Whole cake island so there’s no reason for Oda to stop the Moon rabbit references now since there’s many of them to choose from.
The second and most widespread myth is the one that explains why there’s a Rabbit on the moon in the first place. Again the one in Japanese Folklore goes something like, there was a FOX, a MONKEY and a RABBIT who felt charitable one day and set out to help whoever they met but wanted a reward in turn. They meet an old man who’s in NEED OF FOOD, and the fox and monkey hunt and gather lots of food for the old man with their skills and the Rabbit being only able to collect grass can’t see what good her skills are. The Rabbit just decides to leap into the fire and SACRIFICE itself to feed the old man instead. The fire though doesn’t actually burn it, it turns out the Old man is a god of some sort and touched by the Rabbit’s virtue decides to give it the reward instead of the fox and monkey. The reward being its image would be permanently engraved on the MOON for all to see the benefits of its virtue.
This second myth already has parallels we can point out in regard to One Piece and the Wano arc. The fox, the rabbit, the monkey, the need for food and the moon. Now I wouldn’t say Carrot is suicidal or anything but it’s definitely part of her story when you consider Pedro died in a Fire essentially via self-sacrifice/Suicide. And considering how Oda made sure to carry on this plot element through Carrot with Pedro’s last words, She is certainly the character in the story Pedro’s death most pertains to as of now.
I pointed out already that Oda could decide to leave the Moon Rabbit myth references in One Piece at What we saw in WCI alone but I’ve also shown that Wano is ripe for even more references if he wants to and seeing as he would be referencing the most popular of the myths then it would be an almost wasted opportunity if he didn’t.
Now I can even give a speculation as to how easy it would be to reference this second myth. The gist of the myth is that the Fox and Monkey don’t get a material reward for their efforts because they want it and the Rabbit that doesn’t directly want that material reward gets it even if her efforts are lower in comparison. We know Luffy and Kin’emon are as virtuous as the Rabbit in the myth so that won’t apply for their efforts to feed the people of Wano and defeat the Beast pirates and even open the Borders of Wano. So these things will in fact happen but there’s one thing that’s sort of not so virtuous about what they want. Luffy wants the Red poneglyph in Kaidou’s possession for his own benefit. So to reference the myth, Luffy won’t be the one to ultimately obtain the poneglyph, Carrot will. Carrot, spurred on by Pedro’s sacrifice, will be the one to ultimately obtain the Poneglyph, either by finding its location or getting a rubbing of it or something, but whatever it is, she’ll be the one who does the most essential thing in obtaining it, and it won’t be for herself, it will be to honor Pedro’s memory and give it to the Strawhats. It will also be obtained through tremendous hardship of course to reference the Rabbit leaping into fire.
The reward in the myth as well is connected to the Moon and we know the Poneglyphs are made by the Kozuki clan(i.e the Moon light clan). Lastly the reward is also supposed to show the Rabbit’s virtue and here I think Oda would have to do a bit better than just having the Strawhats say thanks. I think the only fitting reward to show Carrots virtue is, she joins the Strawhats.What do you guys think about this?
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I feel like Speed is getting the short stick and not because she's part horse. I mean Smiles can be useful if done right….. If they are done right. Some have surprised us and some like Holdem got KO in 3 seconds.
I feel like I'm the only guy who likes Speed and O-Tama's devil fruit powers working on a Zoan type seems out of nowhere. (I know Speed's a Smile user.) But there's no way to know if it works on just Zoan Devil Fruit users alone. Plus, it was a risk if a human with a Zoan were to eat it and it didn't feel like an asspull that Oda did just to see if folks will draw fanart of the female horse girl. Also, I think many people had called it in the past that outside of a Water Water no Me? A Time Time Fruit was something we thought he would never use but did it in a way that wasn't the Cell Arc. (At least there isn't like 7 timelines that are outta control.)
Also, lots of people are calling it and I may join the boat. If Gekko Moriah's not in the new world? I'll be very sad.
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I would say O-tama's df could be very useful with the Minks, they are even more animal-like than Smiles, and it appears lots of them dont have any control of themselves while doing Sulong, so that could work.
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I would say O-tama's df could be very useful with the Minks, they are even more animal-like than Smiles, and it appears lots of them dont have any control of themselves while doing Sulong, so that could work.
Now this is an interesting idea. If Tama can help Minks in Sulong calm down so they don’t die if they nevervtraoned for Sulong.
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@K.:
Now that we know there are two heirs of the Kozuki, whom will become the Shogun. It does open up the possibility for any of the two, Momo or Hiyori to set sail like their father did.
So you're suggesting a parallel to the Roger pirates? I can see that, but Momo seems more tied to Wano.
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I’m gonnna make a speculation here. There’s going to be a “Strongest Swordsman in Wano” with the title and fame and everything and Zoro will meet him obviously but they won’t actually ever fight. And it won’t even be clear if Zoro’s actually stronger than the guy. The plot will be either 1) This Samurai Wants to fight Zoro because he is a battlemonger and something stops it from Happening or 2) This Samurai is like Mihawk and only cares to fight if he’s the one who gets challenged.
I think the presence of such a guy would help explore Zoro’s dream and since they never actually fight, This Samurai technically remains Wano’s best Samurai if he was weaker than Zoro and if he was stronger, Zoro would never get compelled to try and beat the guy then.
I got this idea from Afro Samurai with the whole, what it would actually be like to be the best. I think this Wano Samurai would also be completely unaffiliated with the Beast pirates or the rebels or the Shogun. Just like how Afro only had the title of No.1 after it was all said and done, this guy wouldn’t have anymore allegiances outside of himself and his title.
Lastly, what’s the plot significance? Like I said, it’s to explore Zoro’s dream and differentiate it from a guy like Afro or Mihawk or in this case, the Wano Samurai. To show how that trope of detaching yourself from humanity to achieve your goal turns out if Zoro has decided to remain a lone Swordsman back in East blue. A sort of path not traveled thing.
Edit :This also would fit into the theme of Wano as an arc since this Wano Samurai will be a man with Zoro levels of Potential but since he’s in an Isolated country, he never actually knows how big the outside world is and so the country’s Isolationism itself actually reduces his ambitions because it makes him settle for Wano’s Best instead of going out to sea like Zoro did to fight the World’s best himself. And I Imagine at the end of the Wano arc, when the first news papers fall into Wano, he will be completely surprised to find out that Mihawk even exists and the last shot of him will be a sly grin since he’s finally found something greater to strive for again.
… wano is a small, isolated country. A native has no reason to compare to Zoro or Luffy because they haven't been going out into the world to challenge themselves. See also: no one even imagined that a swordsman could do with a sword what Zoro did at the end of his first Wano chapter.
Oda is clearly playing up Wano right now as "Japan right before the west opened it up in the meiji era". They know of the outside but are content to do their own thing, oblivious of the strength of the world. It would be ridiculous for any living swordsman to be twenty tiers above literally everyone else native to the entire country just to be a questionable matchup vs Zoro. Zoro's rivalry this arc will clearly be with one of Kaido's men.
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I think it's very likely that Zoro AND Sanji are going to fight an calamity in my opinion. It's the simple formula of "Strongest Guy/Boss-of-evil-organization" fights against Luffy, his "Two strongest fighters" against Zoro and Sanji. Worked in Alabasta dn Enies Lobby, you know, the big arcs where we have final rounds of fights and all the crew is present. Why change it here?
Question is what happens to the third calamity and the Shogun? Well, like I've pointed out a few times in the past, the most important and emphasized supernova after Law is certainly Kid, so he needs to shine and have a big fight, so he would be a likely candidate.
As for the thing with the Momotaro and the phasant, please don't make it Aokiji. It would absolutely destroy the "4-underdogs"-moment of all of this. Simply because Kuzan himself is a former Admiral, who was absolutely in league with the Fleet Admiral and thus is likely to be as strong or almost as strong as Kaido. If Kuzan is the pheasant, than the fight against Kaido is going to be a short one. He is simply too strong here in my opinion.
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Your assuming too much here. Both Moriah and Kaido are very strong. Moriah only claims that if he had Oars he would've won. I think Moriah had zombies as it seems that Dr. Hogback is only needed to prepare, repair, and strengthen the zombies, I believe if a corpse is available Moriah can still reanimate it albeit with a shorter shelf life.
I don't think Kaido and Moriah were working together. I feel like their rivalry was getting intense and Moriah went to Wano to look for more powerful corpses to reanimate. He found Ryuma but like others of the past it was in too poor condition to reanimate. 3 years after the "Pirate Incident" that desecrated Ryuma's burial grounds. Kaido was recruited by Orochi to defeat Moriah for what he had done, learning of his history with Moriah. With Kaido's help Orochi killed the Oden Clan and took control of Wano. 8 years later Moriah would be defeated by Kaido and his crew would be killed. **=D**I don't believe Orochi was Aware of who stole the corpse of Ryuuma. At least his goons didn't state who the original thief was (they blamed Zoro for stealing the sword from the original thief). Further I gotta say, that the Moriah now (Motto:"You do it!") might be different from the Moriah in the past. From his Little monologue about the NW, it sounded to me like Moriah was confident in himself (and had a good Crew without an army of Zombies). So I assume, that if he stole shadows back then, he used them for himself (like in shadow's asgard).
Maybe just before he went to Wano, he has learnt, that he can put shadows in dead bodies in the first place. I somehow wonder how he discovered that anyway.
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… wano is a small, isolated country. A native has no reason to compare to Zoro or Luffy because they haven't been going out into the world to challenge themselves. See also: no one even imagined that a swordsman could do with a sword what Zoro did at the end of his first Wano chapter.
Oda is clearly playing up Wano right now as "Japan right before the west opened it up in the meiji era". They know of the outside but are content to do their own thing, oblivious of the strength of the world. It would be ridiculous for any living swordsman to be twenty tiers above literally everyone else native to the entire country just to be a questionable matchup vs Zoro. Zoro's rivalry this arc will clearly be with one of Kaido's men.
Well it’s not like I didnt mention the possibility of The Samurai being weaker than Zoro… My main conclusion was that the Samurai never fought Zoro, whether he was in fact weaker or not...
And by your logic, that means all this hype about Orochi being a worthy challenge for Zoro is bullshit. Since he’s also a Wano Samurai and should be like Hyouzu Level Fodder.... And your conclusion also brings into question how Oden or Ryuuma could exist as Wano Samurai... Oden sailed on Roger’s ship right? Before it was revealed Oden was a fighter, people assumed he was like another Crocus type of crewmate. But this Chapter has shown us he wasn’t anything to scoff at. So as a fighter on Roger’s Ship, How can he be as weak as you proclaim. Ryuuma Too, if the story of him Cutting a dragon in one hit is true and we know from Punk Hazard that the dragons Vegapunk created cant even compare to the real dragons from olden times. That means Ryuuma can pull of attacks very very much greater than Zoro’s Shi shisonson Attack. That’s also an anomaly in your characterization of the maximum power cap of Wano Samurai
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hopefully we get spoilers earlyyyy I cant waitt
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I don't believe Orochi was Aware of who stole the corpse of Ryuuma. At least his goons didn't state who the original thief was (they blamed Zoro for stealing the sword from the original thief). Further I gotta say, that the Moriah now (Motto:"You do it!") might be different from the Moriah in the past. From his Little monologue about the NW, it sounded to me like Moriah was confident in himself (and had a good Crew without an army of Zombies). So I assume, that if he stole shadows back then, he used them for himself (like in shadow's asgard).
Maybe just before he went to Wano, he has learnt, that he can put shadows in dead bodies in the first place. I somehow wonder how he discovered that anyway.
But that is pure speculation though.I think we're on the right path. While I personally think he knew and just didn't tell since they never reclaimed Ryuma's body or sword. But I agree in thoughts that Moriah most likely used his shadow techniques to fight similar to how he fought in the Summit War but also think he didn't really utilized zombies like how he did on thriller bark.
But we know the main reason Kaido was working with Orochi to kill and torture Oden was for information on Raftel. So my question is, if that was 20 years ago then why did Kaido stop this plan. I mean if you want to get to Raftel and become Pirate King this doesn't seem like a bad plan imo. So why did he stop capturing former Jolly Roger Pirates for info?
_=DAlso wanna write this here before I see it anywhere else.
I have this theory that Apoo and Urouge joined Kaido's crew during the timeskip. When we saw Apoo running on thin Air during the timeskip, my theory is that he found a hidden access to a Sky Island in the White Sea, one that Kaido ruled.
I think Apoo joined Kaido after this and went to Kid's meeting with plans to take down Kid and Hawkins with Kaido. I think Apoo's motive for this would be his dislike of Kidd and the thought that this meeting would be to try and takeout Kaido.
Not sure exactly when Urouge joined but i think he also found Kaido on a Sky Island during the timeskip, and I think it was one of Kaido's men that saved Urouge from Cracker._ -
Come to think of it, it was extremely bold of Ace to venture into Wano four years ago, it being Kaidou's territory and all
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Come to think of it, it was extremely bold of Ace to venture into Wano four years ago, it being Kaidou's territory and all
I wonder if his visit had anything to do with the village being destroyed later
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@Kaido:
I wonder if his visit had anything to do with the village being destroyed later
Well, that happened about two years later, right? I think they destroyed it just to completely ruin Kuri.
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Do Tama balls overpower Poseidon powers?
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The excitement of these chapters makes me keep forgetting about the fact that Kaidou is probably keeping the 3rd Road Poneglyph in Wano. There's 4 of them; the SHats already got the one for Zou, they copied Big Mom's, they should be in the country where the 3rd one is located, and after this arc there's only 1 left!
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Come to think of it, it was extremely bold of Ace to venture into Wano four years ago, it being Kaidou's territory and all
He and Oars Jr. went so either they met up their or Ace made multiple voyages there.
And the latter would make it seem as though Wano wasn't so closed off to the WB Pirates and their allies.
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He and Oars Jr. went so either they met up their or Ace made multiple voyages there.
And the latter would make it seem as though Wano wasn't so closed off to the WB Pirates and their allies.
=DIt was my impression that Ace learned how to make hats in Wano and gave one giant hat to Oars, but that Oars Jr. never went himself to Wano. They met later.
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It was my impression that Ace learned how to make hats in Wano and gave one giant hat to Oars, but that Oars Jr. never went himself to Wano. They met later.
Had to reread but it seems your right. Not sure how i missed that one. Or what sense it would make to weave this hat and then sail to another island to deliver it.
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Would really like to see Avalo Pizarro and Vasco Shot in Wano (mainly because of the horns for the former, and drunkness for the latter, relating them both to Kaido somewhat). After Burgess in DR, i think enough time has passed to see something more out of the BB pirates with 2 of the more unknown ones, even with the likely outcome of them being scumbag losers.
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Theres only one way to defeat Kaido now
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So, it seems the ranks of the Beasts Pirates are as followed:
Disasters: The top three members under Kaido. Akin to the Sweets Commanders.
All-Stars: The elites of the crew, but the Disasters are also among them. Akin to the strongest Ministers of the BM Pirates.
Headliners: Ranked officers of varying strength. Akin to the other Ministers like Opera and Mont-d'Or.
Gifters: SMILE users who are a cut above the Gifters.
Pleasures: Nameless mooks.Now, I wonder if the Samurai we saw with the Beast Pirates also share the same ranks or something else?
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So, it seems the ranks of the Beasts Pirates are as followed:
Disasters: The top three members under Kaido. Akin to the Sweets Commanders.
All-Stars: The elites of the crew, but the Disasters are also among them. Akin to the strongest Ministers of the BM Pirates.
Headliners: Ranked officers of varying strength. Akin to the other Ministers like Opera and Mont-d'Or.
Gifters: SMILE users who are a cut above the Gifters.
Pleasures: Nameless mooks.Now, I wonder if the Samurai we saw with the Beast Pirates also share the same ranks or something else?
When was it established that All-Star is different from Disaster/Calamities?
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When was it established that All-Star is different from Disaster/Calamities?
The recent chapters mentioned Jack is both.
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The recent chapters mentioned Jack is both.
When he first appeared in both Zou and Wano, both times he was called an All-Star. And yea, Kiku also referred to him as a Calamity.
But I don't think that necessarily means that All-Stars is a separate ranking. Pretty sure the whole disaster/calamity stuff is basically just their epithet, with their actual rank being All-Star. Which makes sense, as that keeps with the theme of how Kaido's crew is ranked. Disaster/Calamity being its own rank doesn't fit with that theme. Also in Ch. 808, it was clearly stated that each of them are named after disasters, not that Disaster is a rank itself.
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@S.C.:
So, it seems the ranks of the Beasts Pirates are as followed:
Disasters: The top three members under Kaido. Akin to the Sweets Commanders.
All-Stars: The elites of the crew, but the Disasters are also among them. Akin to the strongest Ministers of the BM Pirates.
Headliners: Ranked officers of varying strength. Akin to the other Ministers like Opera and Mont-d'Or.
Gifters: SMILE users who are a cut above the Gifters.
Pleasures: Nameless mooks.Now, I wonder if the Samurai we saw with the Beast Pirates also share the same ranks or something else?
Disaster/Calamity isn’t a rank… It’s like a description like calling Zoro a Swordsman and yet that’s not a rank in the crew... The actual rank is Lead Performer/All-star