How's progress going have you guys cracked the Oda Vinci code yet.
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She kinda can't because she's a princess.
I know and it probably won't happen. I'm just hoping for something at the Reverie, maybe she will have to escape. Would also love to have her as an ally again and at the very least I hope she will get a lot of panel time during the Reverie.
Carrot would be nice if she's actually gonna have real fights but let's see.
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I know and it probably won't happen. I'm just hoping for something at the Reverie, maybe she will have to escape. Would also love to have her as an ally again and at the very least I hope she will get a lot of panel time during the Reverie.
Carrot would be nice if she's actually gonna have real fights but let's see.
Seriously when is Jinbe gonna join though?Escapes and leaves behind her country?
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How's progress going have you guys cracked the Oda Vinci code yet.
Nice pun is that original
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How's progress going have you guys cracked the Oda Vinci code yet.
Yes, but unfortunately all it seems to reveal is the location of Jesus Burgess's ex-girlfriend… :/
Escapes and leaves behind her country?
Vivi's always going to do what's best for Alabasta, but don't forget that this same mindset once led her to run away and become a bounty hunter for two years.
Also, "what's best for Alabasta" may be very much dependent on how the World Government reacts to Cobra's inquiries regarding the Poneglyphs.
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Vivi's always going to do what's best for Alabasta, but don't forget that this same mindset once led her to run away and become a bounty hunter for two years.
Also, "what's best for Alabasta" may be very much dependent on how the World Government reacts to Cobra's inquiries regarding the Poneglyphs.
And putting Alabasta under the Straw Hat's protection may as well deter the World Government given Luffy's reputation. Considering Alabasta, Sakura Kingdom, Fishman Island, and Dressrosa were all countries saved by the Straw Hats, I wouldn't be surprised if those countries (bar FI) all begin to bear the Straw Hat flag over their respective kingdoms.
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Vivi's always going to do what's best for Alabasta, but don't forget that this same mindset once led her to run away and become a bounty hunter for two years.
Also, "what's best for Alabasta" may be very much dependent on how the World Government reacts to Cobra's inquiries regarding the Poneglyphs.
That's what I'm getting at though. Let's say she escapes and goes off to find and join the Straw Hats. She'd join, presumably to go and save her country again or something. That's… pretty much retreading the Alabasta saga.
And of course we can't have a scenario where Vivi joins and suddenly stops caring about her country, as that flies completely in the face of how she's been characterized.
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After the reverie, alabasta may be in a crisis with a king about to bite the dust, her leaving now makes even less sense than her leaving back then. If she needs their help, whoch wpuld seem retread-ish she would ask not join and hang around elbaf while depending on his flag.
Ive even heard people say " but what if the WG uses an ancient weapon to destroy alabasta so vivi can join. " That's one of the worst theories ive ever heard with regards to one piece for 4 reasons.
1. Thats way too over the top of a response even if the king is asking forbidden questions
2. Tons of states would leave so itd really backfire if the WG revealed they could ruin any country for the smallest of reasons. Itd really play into dragons hands.
3. The amount of death would be way too much for oda in a non flashback way. It'd be like flevance but instantaneous. If the ancient weapons are shown to be used by the WG and the scale of the tragedy of that will be shown having it happen at the end of the void century makes a lot more sense. Especially if they are meant in some part as an allegory to nuclear weapons and japan's history. Also goobye to every alabasta character not at the reverie.
4. It'd break vivi in a way that fits a seinen much more than it would optimistic one piece. It doesnt even necessarily move the story forward so itd just be super unfair for her and I cant see oda being that cruel. It'd be like Zoro's Wado, Luffy's strawhat, or the poneglyph being destroyed. Or laboon dying before brook could see him. Oda isnt gonna destroy any of the rew's treasures so needlessly. -
At most, I can see Vivi lowkey cooperating with the revolutionaries. I doubt Alabasta itself is gonna get screwed over.
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@Long:
After the reverie, alabasta may be in a crisis with a king about to bite the dust, her leaving now makes even less sense than her leaving back then. If she needs their help, whoch wpuld seem retread-ish she would ask not join and hang around elbaf while depending on his flag.
Ive even heard people say " but what if the WG uses an ancient weapon to destroy alabasta so vivi can join. " That's one of the worst theories ive ever heard with regards to one piece for 4 reasons.
1. Thats way too over the top of a response even if the king is asking forbidden questions
2. Tons of states would leave so itd really backfire if the WG revealed they could ruin any country for the smallest of reasons. Itd really play into dragons hands.
3. The amount of death would be way too much for oda in a non flashback way. It'd be like flevance but instantaneous. If the ancient weapons are shown to be used by the WG and the scale of the tragedy of that will be shown having it happen at the end of the void century makes a lot more sense. Especially if they are meant in some part as an allegory to nuclear weapons and japan's history. Also goobye to every alabasta character not at the reverie.
4. It'd break vivi in a way that fits a seinen much more than it would optimistic one piece. It doesnt even necessarily move the story forward so itd just be super unfair for her and I cant see oda being that cruel. It'd be like Zoro's Wado, Luffy's strawhat, or the poneglyph being destroyed. Or laboon dying before brook could see him. Oda isnt gonna destroy any of the rew's treasures so needlessly.I'm actually of the mind that the Ancient Weapons are going to be utilized by the three major factions I predict will be taking part in a 3-way conflict that is the one which dwarfs the battle of Marinford. Dragon's Revolutionaries, and the good-hearted allied nations (Alabasta, Drum, Fishman Island, others) will be in control of, unsurprisingly, Poseidon; the remaining Yonkou and other pirate and underworld organizations rallying together for one last bid to remain free of Marine interference controlling Pluton, given how a pirate was the one who was first trying to get their hands on it; and given the nature of the Celestial Dragons and their lofty positions of power, their agents, some evil allied nations (Dark Drum and wherever Sabo was originally from), and the Marines will control Uranus. No idea how the latter two weapons will be unearthed but it would be disappointing if only one of them, the one that isn't buried or hidden away, is used.
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And putting Alabasta under the Straw Hat's protection may as well deter the World Government given Luffy's reputation. Considering Alabasta, Sakura Kingdom, Fishman Island, and Dressrosa were all countries saved by the Straw Hats, I wouldn't be surprised if those countries (bar FI) all begin to bear the Straw Hat flag over their respective kingdoms.
Long term, sure, but it seems to me like it might be a bit early, for the moment… Luffy's status as the "Fifth Emperor" is very new and, bounty aside, is mostly just being pushed by Morgans and his newspapers. He hasn't quite developed the kind of reputation where the big names like the Yonkou and the WG are legitimately concerned about provoking his wrath - he's more of a very, very troublesome wild card that they can't control. If Sakazuki or the Gorousei really felt like cracking down on Alabasta, I don't see Luffy's new bounty stopping them quite yet. And that's to say nothing of the physical distance - the Strawhats (and, so far as we know, all of the Grand Fleet) are currently on the other side of the world from Alabasta. It'd take them quite a while to make the trip, unless the action (imprisoned Cobra or Vivi) were moved to a more convenient locale, like the new Marine HQ.
I can see Fishman Island announcing itself as Luffy's territory, but they're already caught up in the middle of the conflict between the Strawhats and Big Mom. Alabasta, Sakura, and Dressrosa will come later, I think.
That's what I'm getting at though. Let's say she escapes and goes off to find and join the Straw Hats. She'd join, presumably to go and save her country again or something. That's… pretty much retreading the Alabasta saga.
And of course we can't have a scenario where Vivi joins and suddenly stops caring about her country, as that flies completely in the face of how she's been characterized.
Obviously this is mere speculation on my part, but I'm of the mindset that the World Government isn't going to go full-on Buster Call on Alabasta, nor is Cobra likely to be imprisoned or assassinated. Unlike Clover and Nico Olvia, Cobra doesn't actually know anything, plus he's a very well respected public figure that would be difficult to simply "disappear" without consequence.
Instead, I see them applying massive amounts of threats and political pressure to force him to back off the subject of the Poneglyphs (up to and possibly including outing Vivi as a pirate sympathizer - which might be helped by Wapol, depending on whether he recognized her back in the build up to Drum Island). This leaves Alabasta more or less as is for the moment, but plays up the "hidden tyranny" of the World Government, and as a result I can absolutely see both Cobra and Vivi becoming even further convinced that whatever the WG is hiding needs to be revealed - not just for the good of Alabasta, but for the world as a whole. If Vivi then decides, or is forced, to start taking independent action again, that basically puts her on a collision course with Robin.
Long story short, I don't think Vivi would have to stop caring about her homeland in order to rejoin the Strawhats, nor do I think it'd be a simple retreading of the Alabasta arc. I think, if Vivi rejoined, she'd be in it for the long haul to help bring about whatever fate ultimately befalls the World Government, precisely because she reached the conclusion that doing so will help Alabasta the most.
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I'm actually of the mind that the Ancient Weapons are going to be utilized by the three major factions I predict will be taking part in a 3-way conflict that is the one which dwarfs the battle of Marinford. Dragon's Revolutionaries, and the good-hearted allied nations (Alabasta, Drum, Fishman Island, others) will be in control of, unsurprisingly, Poseidon; the remaining Yonkou and other pirate and underworld organizations rallying together for one last bid to remain free of Marine interference controlling Pluton, given how a pirate was the one who was first trying to get their hands on it; and given the nature of the Celestial Dragons and their lofty positions of power, their agents, some evil allied nations (Dark Drum and wherever Sabo was originally from), and the Marines will control Uranus. No idea how the latter two weapons will be unearthed but it would be dinsappointing if only one of them, the one that isn't buried or hidden away, is used.
That makes much more sense than at the reverie. I definitely think they'll be used in real time but I was going over why it'd make more sense to hype them up in flashback before they come to the stage again then reveal them now to make such an overreaction.
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Long term, sure, but it seems to me like it might be a bit early, for the moment… Luffy's status a the "Fifth Emperor" is very new and, bounty aside, is mostly just being pushed by Morgans and his newspapers. He hasn't quite developed the kind of reputation where the big names like the Yonkou and the WG are legitimately concerned about provoking his wrath - he's more of a very, very troublesome wild card that they can't control. If Sakazuki or the Gorousei really felt like cracking down on Alabasta, I don't see Luffy's new bounty stopping him quite yet. And that's to say nothing of the physical distance - the Strawhats (and, so far as we know, all of the Grand Fleet) are currently on the other side of the world from Alabasta. It'd take them quite a while to make the trip, unless the action (imprisoned Cobra or Vivi) were moved to a more convenient locale, like the new Marine HQ.
I can see Fishman Island announcing themselves as Luffy's territory, but they're already caught up in the middle of the conflict between the Strawhats and Big Mom. Alabasta, Sakura, and Dressrosa will come later, I think.
Obviously this is mere speculation on my part, but I'm of the mindset that the World Government isn't going to go full-on Buster Call on Alabasta, nor is Cobra likely to be imprisoned or assassinated. Unlike Clover and Nico Olvia, Cobra doesn't actually know anything, plus he's a very well respected public figure that would be difficult to simply "disappear" without consequence.
Instead, I see them applying massive amounts of threats and political pressure to force him to back off the subject of the Poneglyphs (up to and possibly including outing Vivi as a pirate sympathizer - which might be helped by Wapol, depending on whether he recognized her back in the build up to Drum Island). This leaves Alabasta more or less as is for the moment, but plays up the "hidden tyranny" of the World Government and I can absolutely see both Cobra and Vivi becoming even further convinced that whatever the WG is hiding needs to be revealed, not just for the good of Alabasta, but the world as a whole. If Vivi then decides, or is forced, to start taking independent action again, that basically puts her on a collision course with Robin.
Long story short, I don't think Vivi would have to stop caring about her homeland in order to rejoin the Strawhats, nor do I think it'd be a simple retreading of the Alabasta arc - I think she'd be in it for the long haul to help bring about whatever fate ultimately befalls the World Government.
I hope this happens. It would be cool to see her interact with the SH's again
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@Long:
That makes much more sense than at the reverie. I definitely think they'll be used in real time but I was going over why it'd make more sense to hype them up in flashback before they come to the stage again then reveal them now to make such an overreaction.
Well, they'd have to, I mean, we know next to nothing about Pluton and Uranus, so just having them show up out of the blue would be shocking, but getting a buildup going first would lead to a better payoff. I just thought that by now, this far in, we'd at least have seen a little more of each of them, what with finally getting a more or less complete explanation of Poseidon.
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Well, they'd have to, I mean, we know next to nothing about Pluton and Uranus, so just having them show up out of the blue would be shocking, but getting a buildup going first would lead to a better payoff. I just thought that by now, this far in, we'd at least have seen a little more of each of them, what with finally getting a more or less complete explanation of Poseidon.
I cant wait to see how awesome Pluton is. Oh I just thought what if the strawhats needs to destroy pluton with a fleet of their own led by jinbe/franky
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I know it won't happen but I'd love if Crocodile joined the crew, he'd be like Vegeta from Dragon Ball or Jayne Cobb from Firefly, never knowing if you could fully trust him and thinking he could throw a monkey wrench in your plan at anytime
and his rivalry with Jinbei, his natural enemy, would be great, and I'd love to see his interactions with Robin
but alas his dream is to be pirate king and he has Mr. 1 as a subordinate so I doubt that would ever happen
still expecting him to face off against Doflamingo near the end of the series (because he pitted them against each other at Marine Ford which was like foreshadowing they'd face off again some day)and maybe be a strawhat ally
Sorry mate but that's a horrible, horrible scenario. Not to say clichéd. Just no, man. No.
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I do like that op still keeps zoro and sanji up there after all this time, and didn't replace them along the way with crocodile and Law or something or luffy's kid, that is the thing I disliked about Dragonball.
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@uniaka:
I do like that op still keeps zoro and sanji up there after all this time, and didn't replace them along the way with crocodile and Law or something or luffy's kid, that is the thing I disliked about Dragonball.
Zoro is too well established as the #2 of the crew, but when Jimbei finally joins he's likely to rank above Sanji.
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@uniaka:
I do like that op still keeps zoro and sanji up there after all this time, and didn't replace them along the way with crocodile and Law or something or luffy's kid, that is the thing I disliked about Dragonball.
I think there's an argument to be made for Law having essentially joined the retinue, at least until Wano is finished, but I've always appreciated Oda's efforts to keep the older core characters from dropping into irrelevance when newer ones get added in…
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Jinbe is obvious at this point.
Carrot is definitely a +1 in my books based on all the good arguments poised here. All she needs is to solidify her dream in Wano. I definitely think it will be taking over for Pedro's dream.
The above's crew, Nox and Sun, form dawn. I have a feeling they will both join Luffy's crew while acting captains (Aladdin and Wanda perhaps?) run the crews in the fleet.
I'm still a big fan of 4 crew members per sea. If we have the soccer team rule (11 players) it can still work if you don't count Luffy (Oda doesn't count him in the crew joining chapters) and possibly a cabin boy.
This would leave 1 more official member (Jinbe and Carrot would be 9 and 10 respectively), which is beyond speculation at this point, but I'll talk about the cabin boy.
Momonosuke. Think about it. His father traveled with the Pirate King. His family comes from the long line of stone masons that made the poneglyphs. As the leader of his country and family, he probably will feel obligated to travel with them to the end. However, they'd all be super against it because he's a child. Momo wouldn't care and is stubborn, so nobody would tell him what to do probably. But the hilarious part would be forcing a prince like him to do nasty work on the ship. The dynamics would be great, and plus he has an artificial zoan which has the potential to do some other weird stuff.
As for the tentative crew member. I'm hoping for a logia just because the crew lacks one. Preferably a logia in training/inexperienced to have room for growth. I've also heard great theories about a person being tied to astronomy/astrology, as One Piece seems to make hints now and again that space and the stars have significant roles in the world. Plus the whole Skypiean/Bailkan origin and the moon are still really confusing. I'd love a sky person being the final crew member.
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Jinbe- Helmsman/The 9th
Carrot- Lookout/The 10th
Unknown-Astronomer/The 11th
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Momo is the Vivi of the New World, except without the closeness.
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@Gia:
I'm still a big fan of 4 crew members per sea. If we have the soccer team rule (11 players) it can still work if you don't count Luffy (Oda doesn't count him in the crew joining chapters) and possibly a cabin boy.
But he counts Luffy as the first in color spreads and cover pages. And Blackbeard has ten captains under him. AND Oda has drawn a couple sports-themed color spreads where Luffy counts as a player.
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@Count:
Oda's already having trouble balancing panel time between his main characters. 13 is too much.
I also think that Luffy + 10 will be the final number, but most of the reason Oda's been having trouble balancing the whole crew is that there's been an awful lot of extra people on the ship since the timeskip. Law, the samurai, Momo, the minks, etc… I think if it's only Luffy + 10 people, Oda won't have any trouble writing it.
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Momo is way too young to travel with the Straw Hats.
Why do you think Kid Pedro got turned down by Roger to travel with them? As well as Kid Luffy with Shanks? They can't be baby-sat while exploring the dangerous seas. -
I also think that Luffy + 10 will be the final number, but most of the reason Oda's been having trouble balancing the whole crew is that there's been an awful lot of extra people on the ship since the timeskip. Law, the samurai, Momo, the minks, etc… I think if it's only Luffy + 10 people, Oda won't have any trouble writing it.
I believe that too. But I don't think we're going to ever see some semi-alone time with just the Straw Hats and only a few other supporting characters after all four Road Poneglyphs are finally collected.
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But he counts Luffy as the first in color spreads and cover pages. And Blackbeard has ten captains under him. AND Oda has drawn a couple sports-themed color spreads where Luffy counts as a player.
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Yes, I am aware of that. But my point still stands that when a character joins, he does not count Luffy in the numbering and still hasn't (at least since brook joined 400 chapters ago). If Jinbe joins he will be the 9th. If Carrot, I assume the 10th.
I personally think that if they go down the line of having a Cabin boy it wouldn't count towards official numbering anyway.
But if it HAD to be only 2 more people: Jinbe and Carrot hands down. Nobody else is needed and both serve the actual, final 2 roles the ship could use. Plus they both have crews that could join the fleet.
To clarify, I definitely agree that Oda has trouble balancing the characters as it stands with all of these guest characters taking spotlight as well.
And yeah, 10 + 1 for both Blackbeard and Shanks (If you count Mihawk based on the fact that the Shichibukai may be no more in a few chapters) works really, really well for Luffy and Crew.
Tl;dr: I agree with you for the most part.
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@Count:
I don't think we're going to ever see some semi-alone time with just the Straw Hats and only a few other supporting characters after all four Road Poneglyphs are finally collected.
I don't know, all the stuff with the Samurai, Law, and the minks comes to a head at Wano. So I can easily imagine the whole crew (including Jimbei and Carrot:ninja:) sailing away from that alone.
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@Gia:
Nobody else is needed and both serve the actual, final 2 roles the ship could use.
Its funny how the two most iconic roles on a pirate ship (helmsman and lookout) would be the last to be filled.
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I don't know, all the stuff with the Samurai, Law, and the minks comes to a head at Wano. So I can easily imagine the whole crew (including Jimbei and Carrot:ninja:) sailing away from that alone.
This, I imagine Law gets what he wanted out of the whole thing, Luffy gains more Fleet members, everyone says their goodbyes from an storyline that started in Punk Hazard.
The next arc should just be the (tentatively) completed 11 Straw hats finally moving forward alone.
Edit: and yeah, it's funny how we got a Sniper, Musician and an Archeologist first lol.
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I don't know, all the stuff with the Samurai, Law, and the minks comes to a head at Wano. So I can easily imagine the whole crew (including Jimbei and Carrot:ninja:) sailing away from that alone.
Stop pretending you don't think that Elbaf will be just as crowded with Big Mom and whoever else going there.
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@Count:
Stop pretending you don't think that Elbaf will be just as crowded with Big Mom and whoever else going there.
I think companions who span several story arcs are more intrusive than island-specific characters. Island-specific characters are usually a vessel for Oda to flesh out the island they're on and that needs to happen anyway. Also, villains are a given every arc no matter who's on the ship so I didn't count them in my calculations.
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I think companions who span several story arcs are more intrusive than island-specific characters. Island-specific characters are usually a vessel for Oda to flesh out the island they're on and that needs to happen anyway. Also, villains are a given every arc no matter who's on the ship so I didn't count them in my calculations.
Unfortunately, I think a bunch of characters who span several story arcs will appear in Elbaf. Not just the giants, and not even just Big Mom. A popular theory that's arisen here lately is a Yonko War happening on Elbaf, which I can definitely see occurring. Which you don't have to believe, but I think Oda is the type of author who keeps liking to one-up himself and I don't see the final Road Poneglyph location being just as or less eventful as Totland after Wano Country.
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Momo definitely should not join… The stupid gags with Nami and Robin are horrible and I hope they never happen again, but this is One Piece so..
Maybe we will all be surprised by someone new and exciting in Wano, idk... But I would also be fine with not having new crew members other than maybe Jinbe
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@Count:
Unfortunately, I think a bunch of characters who span several story arcs will appear in Elbaf. Not just the giants, and not even just Big Mom. A popular theory that's arisen here lately is a Yonko War happening on Elbaf, which I can definitely see occurring. Which you don't have to believe, but I think Oda is the type of author who keeps liking to one-up himself and I don't see the final Road Poneglyph location being just as or less eventful as Totland after Wano Country.
It's normal for the story to have ups and downs in intensity. So while between Wano and the Final War a lot of hype things will happen, of course, these events won't be necessarily as massive as Wano in scale. I'm actually expecting more arcs in the same vein as WCI (not plot-wise, but the amount of different big players) and rooting for at least one arc more light-hearted in nature focused on adventure (maybe the last Road Poneglyph will be your typical quest to find a lost treasure in a mystical land).
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It's normal for the story to have ups and downs in intensity. So while between Wano and the Final War a lot of hype things will happen, of course, these events won't be necessarily as massive as Wano in scale. I'm actually expecting more arcs in the same vein as WCI (not plot-wise, but the amount of different big players) and rooting for at least one arc more light-hearted in nature focused on adventure (maybe the last Road Poneglyph will be your typical quest to find a lost treasure in a mystical land).
I know the story has ups and downs, but Oda likes to surprise us and step up his game. It feels a little weird how he would have the final MacGuffin for the series' ultimate MacGuffin that is probably at Elbaf be easier to gain than the third MacGuffin one or two arcs before.
And I don't know if we can have one more contained lighthearted adventure arc at this point in the story. Every arc has fed into the next one since the New World has begun. The only place for an arc like this in One Piece's narrative would be between the map to Raftel being formed and getting to Raftel. I used to think that Elbaf could be a contained adventure arc like Skypiea, but with Big Mom heading there, nah. And Oda's going to go bigger than just "Big Mom Round 2" since there's nothing left to hide about that crew.
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@Count:
Unfortunately, I think a bunch of characters who span several story arcs will appear in Elbaf. Not just the giants, and not even just Big Mom. A popular theory that's arisen here lately is a Yonko War happening on Elbaf, which I can definitely see occurring. Which you don't have to believe, but I think Oda is the type of author who keeps liking to one-up himself and I don't see the final Road Poneglyph location being just as or less eventful as Totland after Wano Country.
I agree with this, not trying to get off topic here but I have this big feeling that Wano is only going to push Kaido back. Both WCI and Wano will result in embarrassing Big Mom and Kaido respectively. A 3rd arc (Elbaf, Return to FI, whatever people think) could result in a 3 way clash between Luffy and these 2. I don't see BB or Shanks getting involved, considering they are probably reserved for the endgame.
Plus, if the 4th road Poneglyph is on an unspecified island or Elbaf, I can totally see both crews coming to prevent Luffy to take the last. It's either that or Blackbeard/Shanks somehow have it.
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Even if Kaido goes to Elbaf, and even Blackbeard, that's still way less factions than Wano. I can see something like that happening, but I don't really expect it to take over the entirety of the arc. More likely it would start off with giants and Big Mom hits early on, then maybe add Kaido later, then Blackbeard pirates come in for the finale of the arc. If we have samurais and mink and fleet and etc there I'm putting up an Oda poster in my room with the word "traitor" branded all over it in red paint.
Hopefully we just get Straw Hats vs Big Mom vs Loki though, with giant and cannibal drama. New Giant Warrior Pirates are welcome.
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@Count:
I know the story has ups and downs, but Oda likes to surprise us and step up his game. It feels a little weird how he would have the final MacGuffin for the series' ultimate MacGuffin that is probably at Elbaf be easier to gain than the third MacGuffin one or two arcs before.
And I don't know if we can have one more contained lighthearted adventure arc at this point in the story. Every arc has fed into the next one since the New World has begun. The only place for an arc like this in One Piece's narrative would be between the map to Raftel being formed and getting to Raftel. I used to think that Elbaf could be a contained adventure arc like Skypiea, but with Big Mom heading there, nah. And Oda's going to go bigger than just "Big Mom Round 2" since there's nothing left to hide about that crew.
Big mom can be headed there but herself not be involved for a good chunk of the arc. Its not like she will dominate the story to the expense of elbaf and all the giants oda wanted to show us. Big mom needs to be at elbaf but whether she needs to be taken down is up in the air to me.
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@Long:
Big mom can be headed there but herself not be involved for a good chunk of the arc. Its not like she will dominate the story to the expense of elbaf and all the giants oda wanted to show us. Big mom needs to be at elbaf but whether she needs to be taken down is up in the air to me.
But we need a better antagonist conflict than Big Mom Strikes Back or Loki after Kaido is the focus of Wano Country.
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@Count:
But we need a better antagonist conflict than Big Mom Strikes Back or Loki after Kaido is the focus of Wano Country.
I dont think Elbaf has too necessarily outdo wano on all front and be a 100+ chapter arc. I think oda will have the strawhats show up first and tour the place around a bit because the size possibilities are fun to play with. Like sanji being held by a sexy giant lady and perving out over their "size", usopp getting enthralled by their honor and old tales, probably some giant who lived 800 years ago ( oda could have them give their on accounts since there are much less generations in between so word of mouth wpuld be more reliable and they arent WG related either), which ties into robin etc.
There should be much less anxiety at first than with wano, np matter how many giant trees blackbeard and his 10 lumberjack captains knock down
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@Long:
I dont think Elbaf has too necessarily outdo wano on all front and be a 100+ chapter arc. I think oda will have the strawhats show up first and tour the place around a bit because the size possibilities are fun to play with. Like sanji being held by a sexy giant lady and perving out over their "size", usopp getting enthralled by their honor and old tales, probably some giant who lived 800 years ago ( oda could have them give their on accounts since there are much less generations in between so word of mouth wpuld be more reliable and they arent WG related either), which ties into robin etc.
There should be much less anxiety at first than with wano, np matter how many giant trees blackbeard and his 10 lumberjack captains knock down
I don't think it has to outdo Wano in EVERYTHING. I don't think Oda will want to do another 100+ chapter arc so soon (please no). It just needs a premise, twist and conclusion that resounds more than Wano Country did. And I can see it being at least as long as how Totland turned out, which was around 80 chapters. Not that I would mind a shorter length.
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@Count:
I know the story has ups and downs, but Oda likes to surprise us and step up his game. It feels a little weird how he would have the final MacGuffin for the series' ultimate MacGuffin that is probably at Elbaf be easier to gain than the third MacGuffin one or two arcs before.
And I don't know if we can have one more contained lighthearted adventure arc at this point in the story. Every arc has fed into the next one since the New World has begun. The only place for an arc like this in One Piece's narrative would be between the map to Raftel being formed and getting to Raftel. I used to think that Elbaf could be a contained adventure arc like Skypiea, but with Big Mom heading there, nah. And Oda's going to go bigger than just "Big Mom Round 2" since there's nothing left to hide about that crew.
Thriller Bark was a weird arc after Enies Lobby, a complete change of pace and intensity. Of course, Oda didn't let things get too underwhelming in the hype department, so he made a Shichibukai as main villain and even added a second one at the end… but it was still something less ambitious than the previous arc and the narrative tone was completely out there.
Wano will be this big event that's being prepared since the first arc in the New World and I don't think all of the future arcs should be as massive (with the exception of the last). Just having another Yonkou/Marine around would be enough to make things truly exciting without having to take a step beyond the previous arc. Since the Final War against the WG will certainly be the most ambitious arc of the whole series, fulfilling its role as a proper climax, there's not need to fear that Wano will be "too big" to be in the middle of the New World. There's good balance.
Regarding lighthearted arcs, I'm not too hopeful to get one, but it's not impossible that Oda will do a short one in between major arcs, kinda like Zou, but in its own particular essence. That said, I do believe that we could still get an adventure arc that still manages to keep the stakes of the series. Just imagine, for example, a race between Luffy and Teach to put their hands on the last Road Poneglyph while they have fights in the way to finding it, all very fun and appropriate. As a matter of gambling here, I don't think the missing Poneglyph is in Elbaf... I think it will be in a mysterious place.
Overall, WCI was a weird arc that showed us that Oda is trying to keep things fresh and creative. He's highlighting the Yonkou now, as he should be, but he's not avoiding different types of plots to explore these conflicts. Wano will be more traditional in some ways, but that doesn't mean everything else will be in the same vein.
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@Gia:
I agree with this, not trying to get off topic here but I have this big feeling that Wano is only going to push Kaido back. Both WCI and Wano will result in embarrassing Big Mom and Kaido respectively. A 3rd arc (Elbaf, Return to FI, whatever people think) could result in a 3 way clash between Luffy and these 2. I don't see BB or Shanks getting involved, considering they are probably reserved for the endgame.
Plus, if the 4th road Poneglyph is on an unspecified island or Elbaf, I can totally see both crews coming to prevent Luffy to take the last. It's either that or Blackbeard/Shanks somehow have it.
While I agree with you, we also have to consider that Black Beard has to put his hands on the Road Poneglyphs of Big Mom and Kaidou at some point, so he has to appear somehow, even if just as a plot twist that won't affect the Strawhats directly.
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Thriller Bark was a weird arc after Enies Lobby, a complete change of pace and intensity. Of course, Oda didn't let things get too underwhelming in the hype department, so he made a Shichibukai as main villain and even added a second one at the end… but it was still something less ambitious than the previous arc and the narrative tone was completely out there.
Wano will be this big event that's being prepared since the first arc in the New World and I don't think all of the future arcs should be as massive (with the exception of the last). Just having another Yonkou/Marine around would be enough to make things truly exciting without having to take a step beyond the previous arc. Since the Final War against the WG will certainly be the most ambitious arc of the whole series, fulfilling its role as a proper climax, there's not need to fear that Wano will be "too big" to be in the middle of the New World. There's good balance.
Regarding lighthearted arcs, I'm not too hopeful to get one, but it's not impossible that Oda will do a short one in between major arcs, kinda like Zou, but in its own particular essence. That said, I do believe that we could still get an adventure arc that still manages to keep the stakes of the series. Just imagine, for example, a race between Luffy and Teach to get the last Road Poneglyph while they have fights in the way, all very fun and appropiate. As a matter of gambling here, I don't think the missing Poneglyph is in Elbaf... I think it will be in a mysterious place.
Overall, WCI was a weird arc that showed us that Oda is trying to keep things fresh and creative. He's highlighting the Yonkou now, as he should be, but he's not avoiding different types of plots to explore these conflicts. Wano will be more traditional in some ways, but that doesn't mean everything else will be in the same vein.
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While I agree with you, we also have to consider that Black Beard has to put his hands on the Road Poneglyphs of Big Mom and Kaidou at some point, so he has to appear somehow, even if just as a plot twist that won't affect the Strawhats directly.
Thriller Bark was a break arc. Much like Zou and the Reverie arcs are. I very much doubt Elbaf will be a break arc. Especially when it has been the earliest foreshadowed island in the series, second only to Raftel.
I think too many points connect in Elbaf for it to not be where the fourth Road Poneglyph is. Especially if one or more Yonko show up as the presence of a Road Poneglyph up for grabs as well as the Straw Hats for vengeance gives them reason to appear.
When I say that Oda is going to "up his game" after Wano, I never meant that he would do everything that Wano did but bigger and better. Moreso a general "this arc will be even more important and have more impressive things happen in it". Marineford is one of the shortest arcs in the series post-East Blue, but it is bar none the most significant Grand Line arc that all of the previous arcs were leading up to.
As for an adventure arc, well… why not have that be Raftel itself? The suspense to find it doesn't have to end as soon as the treasure map is made or the island is reached.
And like I told Rayleigh. Oda can step up his game without literally doing a bigger and better Wano Country. Like having more Yonkos and Admirals like you said.
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Sorry mate but that's a horrible, horrible scenario. Not to say clichéd. Just no, man. No.
well agree to disagree I guess, I mean I know it's not gonna happen but I think would be cool if it did
I like those types of scenerios it keeps you on edge
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@Count:
I think too many points connect in Elbaf for it to not be where the fourth Road Poneglyph is. Especially if one or more Yonko show up as the presence of a Road Poneglyph up for grabs as well as the Straw Hats for vengeance gives them reason to appear.
The only thing that makes me believe the last glyph is Elbaf is economic writing and the fact that giants is the country of a different race… all fair points, but not entirely plenty of evidence to be more than 50% of chance. Something else I might be skipping?
When I say that Oda is going to "up his game" after Wano, I never meant that he would do everything that Wano did but bigger and better. Moreso a general "this arc will be even more important and have more impressive things happen in it". Marineford is one of the shortest arcs in the series post-East Blue, but it is bar none the most significant Grand Line arc that all of the previous arcs were leading up to.
If you mean that Elbaf will just be more meaningful in its consequences to the unfolding of the overarching plot of One Piece, I could agree with you, but I don't see why it has to be "more difficult" than Wano (for the Strawhats to get the last Road Poneglyph) or to be a war with many big players, as you suggested before. It could easily have only one villain (like Big Mom) while the plot itself explores deeper subjects to the worldbuilding.
As for an adventure arc, well… why not have that be Raftel itself? The suspense to find it doesn't have to end as soon as the treasure map is made or the island is reached.
I expect the arrival at Laftel will be very adventurous and the arc itself may be too… but the main reason why I'm speculating that the searching of last Road Poneglyph will also be an adventure is the fact that it's lost. Well, it's a manga about pirates and what's more appropriate than have this cliché adventure to find something lost looking for clues, old maps and talking to weird people, much like Skypiea. Maybe the famous Emerald City?
Sure, the journay to Laftel itself already encapsulates this sense of adventure, but the scale is so different than your typical pirate story.
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Kaido being taken down in Wano would be weird, considering that otherwise we wouldn't see his full territory.
Plus, there's so many characters hinted to take part against Kaido: Kid, Hawkins, Drake, Apoo, Moriah (with Absalom and Hogback naturally), the Samurai, the Minks, Marco and the Whitebeard Pirates, Caribou, Jinbe eventually… kinda hard to see all that in a single arc.
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Why do you do this?
it sounds better in my language and it's the most common pronunciation between my circle, just like Luffy instead of Ruffy.
(btw, we say Roronoa Zoro, not Lolonoa Zolo)
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The only thing that makes me believe the last glyph is Elbaf is economic writing and the fact that giants is the country of a different race… all fair points, but not entirely plenty of evidence to be more than 50% of chance. Something else I might be skipping?
Well, I believe a Yonko War will take place there with the evidence that at least Big Mom and Shanks may show up. What do you the Yonkos often have? Road Poneglyphs. What do they want? Road Poneglyphs. Also, it's such a foreshadowed arc that I can see Oda putting it there. Yes, there isn't much actual evidence besides speculation. But I can easily see Elbaf fitting into One Piece's narrative as the final Road Poneglyph stop. Especially since the giants can live for centuries and the oldest of them might know about the Void Century from close relatives or something.
If you mean that Elbaf will just be more meaningful in its consequences to the unfolding of the overarching plot of One Piece, I could agree with you, but I don't see why it has to be "more difficult" than Wano (for the Strawhats to get the last Road Poneglyph) or to be a war with many big players, as you suggested before. It could easily have only one villain (like Big Mom) while the plot itself explores deeper subjects to the worldbuilding.
Villain-wise, Oda always goes bigger and badder than the last for big arcs. After Big Mom and Kaido, an arc about, I don't know, Weevil or Loki being the villain feels like a step down. Not that you can't make "smaller" villains interesting, but One Piece has always operated on being grandiose. And I say it should be "more difficult" (and "difficult" can be executed in a whole bunch of ways. Whether it means internal conflict or the situation being more dangerous without actually having as many 1v1 fights) because the fourth Road Poneglyph is the crescendo on the Poneglyph hunt. It's just weird storytelling. Not bad storytelling, but you usually see the final piece of the puzzle being the most complex to obtain.
I expect the arrival at Laftel will be very adventurous and the arc itself may be too… but the main reason why I'm speculating that the searching of last Road Poneglyph will also be an adventure is the fact that it's lost. Well, it's a manga about pirates and what's more appropriate than have this cliché adventure to find something lost looking for clues, old maps and talking to weird people, much like Skypiea. Maybe the famous Emerald City?
Well, we don't know if the fourth Road Poneglyph is lost yet. But I'm open to an adventure arc. I don't need every single arc to be heavily main plot focused lol. And if they can juggle both at the same time, awesome!
Sure, the journay to Laftel itself already encapsulates this sense of adventure, but the scale is so different than your typical pirate story.
I know what you mean.
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Kaido being taken down in Wano would be weird, considering that otherwise we wouldn't see his full territory.
Plus, there's so many characters hinted to take part against Kaido: Kid, Hawkins, Drake, Apoo, Moriah (with Absalom and Hogback naturally), the Samurai, the Minks, Marco and the Whitebeard Pirates, Caribou, Jinbe eventually… kinda hard to see all that in a single arc.
I'm more so against that because wano is being held hostage and do we have enough time for them to liberate wano and have it be a huge deal if kaido isn't even there. Oda and his editors have hyped this up so much I cant see anything less than kaido losing here as the result. The other territories would be cool to be but are superficial storywise and besides wano i don't think we're meant to care about the territories in general.
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Laftel
Lafter
Why do you do this?
And that's why Luffy's bounty shows him always smiling, because One Piece was always Laughter.
I'll show myself out.