Ill put my money on Death vs death. Unless doc Q has a connection with Hiriluk, that is likely as the Blackbeard pirates might had a reason to chose Drum.
Besides You can't go "profession vs profession" and then "woman vs woman, that takes priority over navigator"
Nah. Brook and Lafitte.
its gotta be profession vs profession for at least some of them, they're a dark mirror and all. You're not going to have a sniper and NOT have him go against Usopp and you arent going to get Sanji to fight the sword user.
Do BB pirates have cook? Then who makes the pies? And what other profession do they lack?
Too bad lafitte has some bird zoan, with BM's fruit he would make the final battle with brook interesting.
Anyway, based on the pattern they should show up the next arc and meet luffy again, and this time they should meet the other SHs.
Zoro vs Vasco shot because they are already the top two alocoholsmen in the world and Shiryu is secretly the cook…
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Considering how Nami has literally been called a witch, trained with wizards, has a cat theme, and always fights females… Devon is my bet for her.
Yeah but Lafitte's cane and Nami's staff (Brook's is a sword, so unless Lafitte shows one off, there's that), not to mention Nami seems like she's on the verge of getting that flying cloud to ride on that I hypothesized, and with Lafitte's wings, there's still that to consider. No one else really has that similar of an appearance to their 'other' so just that superficial thing between Brook and Lafitte doesn't convince me. Plus if Lafitte can hypnotize people, Nami and Brook both have that same sort of thing going for them, with Nami able to play tricks on their eyes, and Brook able to hypnotize with music, so she still can't be ruled out. I mean, if you think about it, Brook is TOO similar to Lafitte for it to be a good matchup. I would think their battle would be the shortest and probably rather lame without any variation of note. Not that I think Brook will tangle with Devon (but wouldn't that be hilarious, given his perverted nature?) but his cane concealing a bladed weapon would be a better match for her crescent-bladed spear than Nami's blunt Clima Tact.
Nah. Brook and Lafitte.
its gotta be profession vs profession for at least some of them, they're a dark mirror and all. You're not going to have a sniper and NOT have him go against Usopp and you arent going to get Sanji to fight the sword user.
Profession vs. Profession is basically why I was always leaning toward Nami vs. Lafitte. We have very little to go on so far but it feels to me like Jimbei and Burgess will tangle, given their similar thick bodies (Sanji's legs are still scrawny-looking no matter how strong he is) and the fact that they are both Helmsmen. I get how the brawler-style of fighting and the idea of upper body vs. lower body specialty would make some believe Sanji will fight Burgess but I'm more in the camp of Sanji vs. Vasco Shot. The idea of a drunken fighter (drink) fighting a cook (food) makes for a perfect complementary pair, not to mention Shot's got one of those faces where Sanji's plastic surgery kicks would be desperately needed. Apart from that, since Sanjuan Wolf served as the BB crew's ship briefly, seems like Franky and his machinations would be the foil for him. Can't wait to see how he Mega-zords it up for that fight.
Profession vs. Profession is basically why I was always leaning toward Nami vs. Lafitte.
I wouldn't really count doppelgänger illusions as hypnosis. They also share a musical theme since Lafitte likes to tap dance, and his wings/hypnotization might be linked to a Siren Devil Fruit. Which mesmerizes people by singing. And Lafitte can still block and hit with a cane the same way Smoker uses his jute. And yes, Oda can make that can hard enough to withstand a sword, such a thing would hardly look weird in One Piece. We also can't say they're "too similar" without ever seeing how Lafitte fights, and the fact that he can fly while Brook has super speed and ice powers already spices up some differences.
I believe the final match ups will be founded on the premise of dark parallels. How those dark parallels will meet can depend on a variety of things. Some can be based on crew position. Others can be based on powers. A couple could center around designs.
I want a drunken fighter who incorporates alcohol into his attacks fighting the whale shark man who uses martial arts to manipulate liquids.
Sanji and Burgess should fight based on their official crew positions as powerhouse jobbers.
Yes, I need my Franky Megazord fight.
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Yeah but Lafitte's cane and Nami's staff (Brook's is a sword, so unless Lafitte shows one off, there's that), not to mention Nami seems like she's on the verge of getting that flying cloud to ride on that I hypothesized, and with Lafitte's wings, there's still that to consider. No one else really has that similar of an appearance to their 'other' so just that superficial thing between Brook and Lafitte doesn't convince me. Plus if Lafitte can hypnotize people, Nami and Brook both have that same sort of thing going for them, with Nami able to play tricks on their eyes, and Brook able to hypnotize with music, so she still can't be ruled out. I mean, if you think about it, Brook is TOO similar to Lafitte for it to be a good matchup. I would think their battle would be the shortest and probably rather lame without any variation of note. Not that I think Brook will tangle with Devon (but wouldn't that be hilarious, given his perverted nature?) but his cane concealing a bladed weapon would be a better match for her crescent-bladed spear than Nami's blunt Clima Tact.
Profession vs. Profession is basically why I was always leaning toward Nami vs. Lafitte. We have very little to go on so far but it feels to me like Jimbei and Burgess will tangle, given their similar thick bodies (Sanji's legs are still scrawny-looking no matter how strong he is) and the fact that they are both Helmsmen. I get how the brawler-style of fighting and the idea of upper body vs. lower body specialty would make some believe Sanji will fight Burgess but I'm more in the camp of Sanji vs. Vasco Shot. The idea of a drunken fighter (drink) fighting a cook (food) makes for a perfect complementary pair, not to mention Shot's got one of those faces where Sanji's plastic surgery kicks would be desperately needed. Apart from that, since Sanjuan Wolf served as the BB crew's ship briefly, seems like Franky and his machinations would be the foil for him. Can't wait to see how he Mega-zords it up for that fight.
But with Devon and Nami there are.all sorts of similarites. Like both having long range weapons.
In regards to Laff and Brooke, just imagine that Laff will be using zombie like goons as he hypnotizes them, while Brooke exorcises them or even "revives" fallen allies with an awakening of sorts. The idea of two different type of hypnosis clashing. I don't Nami could be considered a hypnotist, but maybe an illusionist? Which playes well with her witch theme, and Cresecent Moons are related to witchcraft.
Mmmm, I think that Vasco and Jimbe are going to fight. Because, Vasco might be a fishman, even if he isn't as heavy drinker, he can be a drunken fishman karate user against the more "formal" style Jimbe has.
Sanji most likely will get Burguess. Just some small connections. Burguess has stupid leg strength as demonstrated as he jumped down Riku's castle. Then Burguess got burnt, Sanji uses flames so that can be played upon. Not to mention that Sanji and Sabo are both blonde, and their name start with an S!!(:3).
In terms of the fruit he might get the phoenix fruit, because of how he got burnt and injured by Sabo, so a counter measure to the fire fruit, but Sanji can produce fire without it. With diamonds it is the same, diamonds burn at high temperatures, so also a deterrent. Not to mention that if he does get the diamond fruit incan imagine him using his "leg strength" to jump at high speeds in diamond form.
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I wouldn't really count doppelgänger illusions as hypnosis. They also share a musical theme since Lafitte likes to tap dance, and his wings/hypnotization might be linked to a Siren Devil Fruit. Which mesmerizes people by singing. And Lafitte can still block and hit with a cane the same way Smoker uses his jute. And yes, Oda can make that can hard enough to withstand a sword, such a thing would hardly look weird in One Piece. We also can't say they're "too similar" without ever seeing how Lafitte fights, and the fact that he can fly while Brook has super speed and ice powers already spices up some differences.
It just feels too unbalanced that Lafitte would be capable of flight while Brook is still stuck on the ground (except in spirit form, but he can't really do anything to him then). I'd love one of the finale battles to be an aerial duel, although I guess Sanji would also be able to participate in that, technically. Plus if Lafitte's like a siren, Nami being female would be immune to that and be like the Usopp to Lafitte's Perona or the Luffy to Lafitte's Enel.
I believe the final match ups will be founded on the premise of dark parallels. How those dark parallels will meet can depend on a variety of things. Some can be based on crew position. Others can be based on powers. A couple could center around designs.
I don't disagree, I just dislike inconsistency (unfortunately Oda's not immune to making little goofs like that). Especially when it seems like at least half the crew will parallel based solely on profession, then the fringe minority are the odd men out.
I want a drunken fighter who incorporates alcohol into his attacks fighting the whale shark man who uses martial arts to manipulate liquids.
Sanji and Burgess should fight based on their official crew positions as powerhouse jobbers.
Not sure why why you'd want that, but then that makes even less sense for Jimbei to fight him since Sanji could incorporate his 99 recipes (of which we've seen far too few yet, and would be the perfect opportunity to pull out several) into his repertoire for the fight as an analogue. But since both Sanji and Jimbei are powerhouse brawler-types (hammered home even further by the fact that they tag-teamed Wadatsumi), it could really go either way.
Yes, I need my Franky Megazord fight.
What are the chances he gets some equipment or blueprints off Vegapunk and incorporates those into making a large-scale droid? It would have to be at least as big as Oars (roughly twice the size of a normal giant, I believe) to stand a chance just given the proportion of Wolf by comparison. Like a Pacifista that incorporates the Sunny, or even lots of skeletal Pacifistas that weren't completed into a giant-ish one. Maybe even incorporating part of Pluton or one of the other Ancient weapons/secrets into it.
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But with Devon and Nami there are.all sorts of similarites. Like both having long range weapons.
Does she use it like a throwing spear? Otherwise I am not using the same definition of 'long range' as you.
In regards to Laff and Brooke, just imagine that Laff will be using zombie like goons as he hypnotizes them, while Brooke exorcises them or even "revives" fallen allies with an awakening of sorts. The idea of two different type of hypnosis clashing. I don't Nami could be considered a hypnotist, but maybe an illusionist? Which playes well with her witch theme, and Cresecent Moons are related to witchcraft.
Well the moon controls the tides and Nami's good at reading them but unless the fight takes place on the water or on a beach right next to it, I don't know significant that moon thing might be. Unless Devon transforms into some kind of mythical cat zoan or something just to really rub it in (then again, Nami could create thunderclouds that resemble cat toys that might cause a distraction just for laughs). But I am looking forward to Brook being able to possess things other than his own skeleton, in that sense maybe he can operate some kind of substitute golem for the fight that will have wings or something. But I have a feeling the fights will be private (not even including dead things to reanimate); I don't see BB's fleet being there at Raftel unless Luffy's fleet is also there fighting them, leaving the leaders to fight the Straw Hats.
Mmmm, I think that Vasco and Jimbe are going to fight. Because, Vasco might be a fishman, even if he isn't as heavy drinker, he can be a drunken fishman karate user against the more "formal" style Jimbe has.
Is it just me or does it seem like Oda would have mentioned in the intro box thing that Vasco was a fishman, or at least half? If nothing else it would help identify which species. But I'm doubting he is one.
Sanji most likely will get Burguess. Just some small connections. Burguess has stupid leg strength as demonstrated as he jumped down Riku's castle. Then Burguess got burnt, Sanji uses flames so that can be played upon. Not to mention that Sanji and Sabo are both blonde, and their name start with an S!!(:3).
I don't recall any particular feats of leg strength on Burgess' part, unless you count jumping while holding a house in his arms and throwing it at Ace (but that would be more of a full-body strength thing). If he did get Marco's fruit, he could fly which would enable him to compete with an airborne Sanji, but that's a pretty big 'if'.
In terms of the fruit he might get the phoenix fruit, because of how he got burnt and injured by Sabo, so a counter measure to the fire fruit, but Sanji can produce fire without it. With diamonds it is the same, diamonds burn at high temperatures, so also a deterrent. Not to mention that if he does get the diamond fruit i can imagine him using his "leg strength" to jump at high speeds in diamond form.
Not sure what Sanji will be able to do about that if Burgess' defense against fire is that strong, might not be a good matchup. Fire cooks alcohol and takes the alcohol part out of it, so that would be quite effective against an alcohol consumer. Plus alcohol is highly flammable…smells like Shot might be an interesting target for Sanji depending on how his fighting style/DF power operates.
Brooke can jump extremely high, so he can use his surroundings to help against a flying opponent.
It wouldn't be inconsistent if half the crew does follows a pattern and the other half doesn't. It would only be irregular if everyone but one or two had to fight their position's counterparts.
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Catarina Devon in her only really speaking role complained about needing new clothes cause these jail uniforms where a drab. I could easily see her being a lot more greedy and superficial jerk of a lady.
Nami when all is said and done wont hold onto money if money can help save her friends
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Brooke can jump extremely high, so he can use his surroundings to help against a flying opponent.
It wouldn't be inconsistent if half the crew does follows a pattern and the other half doesn't. It would only be irregular if everyone but one or two had to fight their position's counterparts.
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Well from my POV it's more than half the crew so that makes it feel inconsistent to me. And I don't remember Brook having any high-jumping feats, just fast-running or Zoro-style quick-strike attacks that involve leaping forward.
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Catarina Devon in her only really speaking role complained about needing new clothes cause these jail uniforms where a drab. I could easily see her being a lot more greedy and superficial jerk of a lady.
Nami when all is said and done wont hold onto money if money can help save her friends
- Stole everyone's wallets after leaving the villagers the 93 million she stole
- Decided to pool their gold from skypiea to fix the merry
- Told Usopp to not worry about the money when he felt worthless for losing it
- Tried buying Camie with the 200 million they had without any hesitation
She also beat Luffy senseless for spending the remainder of their Skypiea gold money on the after party and blackmailed Vivi for a billion beli to save Alabasta (didn't ask to collect in the end, but lamented not collecting it). But there have been fewer opportunities for her to be her usual greedy self, she might see those flaws in Catarina in herself, and feel motivated to continue being less money-hungry. But she's doing a good job on her own so far, not even raising a gripe about not taking the treasure from Fishman Island when they had to give it to Big Mom's crew.
On the other hand, if Devon's into flashy and colorful things, she might be like Jora, the art lady from Doflamingo's gang, who was taken out by Brook…
Well from my POV it's more than half the crew so that makes it feel inconsistent to me. And I don't remember Brook having any high-jumping feats, just fast-running or Zoro-style quick-strike attacks that involve leaping forward.
She also beat Luffy senseless for spending the remainder of their Skypiea gold money on the after party and blackmailed Vivi for a billion beli to save Alabasta (didn't ask to collect in the end, but lamented not collecting it). But there have been fewer opportunities for her to be her usual greedy self, she might see those flaws in Catarina in herself, and feel motivated to continue being less money-hungry. But she's doing a good job on her own so far, not even raising a gripe about not taking the treasure from Fishman Island when they had to give it to Big Mom's crew.
On the other hand, if Devon's into flashy and colorful things, she might be like Jora, the art lady from Doflamingo's gang, who was taken out by Brook…
I mean remember how oda hammered in sanji would never mess with someones food but then revealed sanji put poison and razors in his PH meal because zoro asked for it. Oda isnf afraid of having characters act exaggerately for comedy without worrying people will see it as character assassination. The beating up luffy for misusing money badly will never be treated as a character flaw and an arc of here getting less greedy is probably as likely as sanji losing his chivalry. We have seen next to nothing on the level 6 guys besides shiryu and so the quirks were established when BB captured bonney.
I kind of go with count here that nami is always in a cat fight although who knows who robin will matchup with as she's the real wildcard here.
Just gonna remind everyone how "obvious" Chopper vs. Daruma and Franky vs. Pica were when based solely off their appearances.
The biggest reason I had against straight "profession vs. profession" matchups was because the Straw Hats had no helmsman to face Burgess. Now that Jinbe has taken care of that role, I really don't see a reason why the navigators, the cooks, the musicians can't face off with each other like the swordsmen, doctors, and snipers.
Well from my POV it's more than half the crew so that makes it feel inconsistent to me. And I don't remember Brook having any high-jumping feats, just fast-running or Zoro-style quick-strike attacks that involve leaping forward.
Brook did have that one scene against the Flying Fish Riders (right before Sabody) where he jumped really high to get close to the flying fish and put some of them to sleep, which was commented on by one of the other SHs. I do believe it was mentioned Brook could jump so high because being just bones makes him really light, same OP logic that lets him run on water.
Does she use it like a throwing spear? Otherwise I am not using the same definition of 'long range' as you.
Knifes are short range, swords are mid range and spears are long range. Even if guns and bows are even "longer range", staff, spear and glaives are all considered long range weapons.
Well the moon controls the tides and Nami's good at reading them but unless the fight takes place on the water or on a beach right next to it, I don't know significant that moon thing might be.
Devon's epithet is Crescent Moon Hunter. Crescent moons are associated with witchcraft. It is not about the moon influencing the fight at all. It is the fact that Devon's title alludes to her being a witch huntress, and Nami is for all intent and purposes considered a witch.
But I am looking forward to Brook being able to possess things other than his own skeleton, in that sense maybe he can operate some kind of substitute golem for the fight that will have wings or something. But I have a feeling the fights will be private (not even including dead things to reanimate); I don't see BB's fleet being there at Raftel unless Luffy's fleet is also there fighting them, leaving the leaders to fight the Straw Hats.
Yeah, these fights are not going to be at Raftel, because the final war will be in a different location.
The Blackbeard pirates might show up at Raftel for a first round, I don't like the idea. I prefer Blackbeard forsaking One Piece to obtain an ancient weapon, which mobilizes Shanks to intervene. All this happens while Luffy gets to Raftel.
Is it just me or does it seem like Oda would have mentioned in the intro box thing that Vasco was a fishman, or at least half? If nothing else it would help identify which species. But I'm doubting he is one.
Did he mention Jack was a fishman? Not really. It was not mentioned at all, and was only evident after we saw him waiting under the sea looking annoyed rather than panicked. But there are a couple of things that could point to that. I think Vasco is a fishman because he has six earrings attached to his neck in a position that might suggest he has gills. Of course they could just be earring on a human neck. But that, with the fact that he is a known drunk just fuels my desire to see drunk fishman karate.
I don't recall any particular feats of leg strength on Burgess' part, unless you count jumping while holding a house in his arms and throwing it at Ace (but that would be more of a full-body strength thing). If he did get Marco's fruit, he could fly which would enable him to compete with an airborne Sanji, but that's a pretty big 'if'.
When he was in Dressrosa before chasing Luffy he started jumping down from Riku's castle towards the city. To which Koala said: What ridiculous leg strength. Which is ironic because both him and Sanji have skinny legs.
Not sure what Sanji will be able to do about that if Burgess' defense against fire is that strong, might not be a good matchup. Fire cooks alcohol and takes the alcohol part out of it, so that would be quite effective against an alcohol consumer. Plus alcohol is highly flammable…smells like Shot might be an interesting target for Sanji depending on how his fighting style/DF power operates.
His flame and passion will burn as hot as the sun. And as logical as fire cooking alcohol sounds, it does not sound cooler than drunk fishman karate vs orthodox fishman karate.
Well from my POV it's more than half the crew so that makes it feel inconsistent to me. And I don't remember Brook having any high-jumping feats, just fast-running or Zoro-style quick-strike attacks that involve leaping forward.
How is it more than half? If the only confirmed ones are Luffy, Zoro, Usopp and Chopper. That is 4 out of the 11 members they will have. As others said above, Brooke also jumped to cut down Zeus. Brooke uses the "I am only bones" to showcase his maneuverability.
But she's doing a good job on her own so far, not even raising a gripe about not taking the treasure from Fishman Island when they had to give it to Big Mom's crew.
I remember her beating the shit out of Luffy because of it.
We don't know yet what is it about Laffite's fruit, do we? If it is a zoan or a paramecia "wing fruit".
The strongest link between Laffite and Brook, is their west-blueness.
A Paramecia Wing Fruit seems to much irrelevant to show up this late in story with so many possible Bird Zoans out there.
But a wing fruit would be like Robin's, and be able to place wings on stuff.
Oda has been more free with the Zoans transformations, with Marco transforming in a very Monet/Harpy state, instead of the standar of hybrid forms of before.
But then again Pierre was a pegasus, throwing this at my face, but most Zoans hybrid form of human users were a mid point, and not mix and match parts.
Well from my POV it's more than half the crew so that makes it feel inconsistent to me. And I don't remember Brook having any high-jumping feats, just fast-running or Zoro-style quick-strike attacks that involve leaping forward.
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It wouldn't be inconsistent at all. Instead of thinking about crew positions or not, think solely in terms of design, abilities, and personalities. Shiryu, Augur, and Doc Q are all obviously a swordsman, sniper, and doctor respectively even without getting bio cards of their crew positions. You don't need crew position labels to tell that they are good thematic matchups for Zoro, Usopp, and Chopper. But Look at Lafitte and Burgess in contrast. They hardly ever do anything navigator or helmsman-related aside from one random panel at best. Their crew positions strike me as an afterthought. The same way Bepo is Law's navigator.
Look at how Oda visibly characterizes the Blackbeard Pirates rather than their arbitrary titles.
She also beat Luffy senseless for spending the remainder of their Skypiea gold money on the after party and blackmailed Vivi for a billion beli to save Alabasta (didn't ask to collect in the end, but lamented not collecting it). But there have been fewer opportunities for her to be her usual greedy self, she might see those flaws in Catarina in herself, and feel motivated to continue being less money-hungry. But she's doing a good job on her own so far, not even raising a gripe about not taking the treasure from Fishman Island when they had to give it to Big Mom's crew.
Nami's not going to ever feel self-conscious about being greedy unless she finds out that somebody she's trying to scam or coerce is in an unfortunate situation. I think your idea is cool, but One Piece is not that type of story where the main characters get significant character development in their base personality. Character relationships might subtly change and Usopp has noticable character progression that happened VERY gradually (although he's still scared a lot). But these are kept subtle and saved for rare moments.
On the other hand, if Devon's into flashy and colorful things, she might be like Jora, the art lady from Doflamingo's gang, who was taken out by Brook…
The Donquixote Pirates are not the Blackbeard Pirates. Pica shared nothing in common with Zoro besides being one of Doflamingo's strongest crewmates until he pulled out a sword for five seconds mid-fight (why Oda did this, I have no idea. I bet he felt too insecure about giving Zoro a non-swordsman fight for some dumb reason). Hell, Diamante had more in common with Zoro but ended up fighting Kyros because of backstory conflict. None of this makes it any less likely that Zoro is going to fight Shiryu due to the obvious Straw Hat/Blackbeard Pirate parallels.
Just gonna remind everyone how "obvious" Chopper vs. Daruma and Franky vs. Pica were when based solely off their appearances.
Pairing to guys with big shoulders together was stupid. Especially when Pica was one of the higher ranked members. People only assumed Daruma because they were both small. These are both minor irrelevant typecasting traits that don't match up to how Lafitte has multiple attributes in common with Brook and belongs to the dark Straw Hat crew.
You don't draw two recurring main/antagonist characters destined to have their factions fight with a cane, top hat, musical undertone, and Tim Burton flair without doing it on purpose to signify a major interaction.
The biggest reason I had against straight "profession vs. profession" matchups was because the Straw Hats had no helmsman to face Burgess. Now that Jinbe has taken care of that role, I really don't see a reason why the navigators, the cooks, the musicians can't face off with each other like the swordsmen, doctors, and snipers.
Well considering how Lafitte is the closest character Teach has for a musician despite the navigator labeling, and how Lafitte hasn't done anything navigator-related even once as if Oda assigned this crew position as an afterthought…
But a wing fruit would be like Robin's, and be able to place wings on stuff.
Oda has been more free with the Zoans transformations, with Marco transforming in a very Monet/Harpy state, instead of the standar of hybrid forms of before.
But then again Pierre was a pegasus, throwing this at my face, but most Zoans hybrid form of human users were a mid point, and not mix and match parts.
Oda can get away with Lafitte's Zoan fruit being special if it's mythical like Marco's. And a Siren is definitely a mythical creature.
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Well considering how Lafitte is the closest character Teach has for a musician despite the navigator labeling, and how Lafitte hasn't done anything navigator-related even once as if Oda assigned this crew position as an afterthought…
Oda can get away with Lafitte's Zoan fruit being special if it's mythical like Marco's. And a Siren is definitely a mythical creature.
Finding his way, alone, with no ship, to the meeting where the next Shichibukai was to be chosen, and then back to his crew, sounds like pretty good navigation skill to me.
I've got no probs with any of them having mythical or really OP Paramecia fruits since it's the final confrontation of the series so it's fitting that everybody goes all out.
I fear that people hoping a 11vs11 final battle Strawhat vs BlackBeard will be disappointed.
I used to but now that I'm expecting Luffy's allies (such as Law) to be involved and thus some predicted 1vs1 fights to be "stolen" by them, I decided to stop trying to predict the match-ups.
Hoping I'm wrong.
The villains side do need reinforcements, the strawhats have around 7-8 nations and are poised to drag 3 emperor remanents and 4-5 ex shichibukai to their side, without counting their fleet and the rookies, and the revolutionaries, and the good marines.
I fear that people hoping a 11vs11 final battle Strawhat vs BlackBeard will be disappointed.
I used to but now that I'm expecting Luffy's allies (such as Law) to be involved and thus some predicted 1vs1 fights to be "stolen" by them, I decided to stop trying to predict the match-ups.
Hoping I'm wrong.
Doubt any ally will be directly involved in the fight against Blackbeard, except maybe his fleet countering BB´s allies if he has any
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The villains side do need reinforcements, the strawhats have around 7-8 nations and are poised to drag 3 emperor remanents and 4-5 ex shichibukai to their side, without counting their fleet and the rookies, and the revolutionaries, and the good marines.
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lol can you imagine how pissed people would be if Straw Hats vs Blackbeard Pirates got turned into Supernovas vs Blackbeard Pirates. Or even worse, Straw Hat Fleet vs Blackbeard Pirates.
I just realized after all these years that Jinbei's current age, 46, can be added up to get: 4+6 =10.
I just realized after all these years that Jinbei's current age, 46, can be added up to get: 4+6 =10.
hidden in plain sight all these years…...how could we have ever doubted
We don't know yet what is it about Laffite's fruit, do we? If it is a zoan or a paramecia "wing fruit".
The strongest link between Laffite and Brook, is their west-blueness.
Is it possible he's from a Sky Island kind of place (since wings seem to be a theme of natives there) and his wings are possibly just a more advanced evolution (he'd certainly be considered a freak just for his looks alone) or a result of some kind of technology?
I fear that people hoping a 11vs11 final battle Strawhat vs BlackBeard will be disappointed.
I used to but now that I'm expecting Luffy's allies (such as Law) to be involved and thus some predicted 1vs1 fights to be "stolen" by them, I decided to stop trying to predict the match-ups.
Hoping I'm wrong.
It may turn out to be more than 11 v 11 if anyone else joins (I'm fine with it as is but, depending on who might join, I might be less jazzed about the big #x vs #x thing. But I think the fact that each crew, SH and BB, has a fleet, anyone not in the official crew lineup will be engaged in a fleet war while the big dogs tangle in proper one-on-ones.
Isn't that just the characters that did stuff in the volume? Pudding and Chiffon didn't do much more than help Sanji, and all Capone did was shoot Oven. And run him over, that was fun. Overshadowed by Sanji though.
If it was a matter how much they did, Chopper should be all the way behind as well.
The thing is that Carrot already is there in her Sulong form where she supposedly belongs: in the back, along with the non-SH characters, but in a central and prominent position that fits the fact the volume is titled after her['s chapter]… she is even shaded differently than the couple and Pudding, that alone should be enough to ensure her place as a non-SH-but-more-relevant-ally. Having her also appear in the mirror fragments along with just the SH seems weird.
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If it was a matter how much they did, Chopper should be all the way behind as well.
The thing is that Carrot already is there in her Sulong form where she supposedly belongs: in the back, along with the non-SH characters, but in a central and prominent position that fits the fact the volume is titled after her['s chapter]… she is even shaded differently than the couple and Pudding, that alone should be enough to ensure her place as a non-SH-but-more-relevant-ally. Having her also appear in the mirror fragments along with just the SH seems weird.
I guess you could say its just like Law was with the strawhats in the hero Dressrosa ones major ally traveling with them atm or some shit.
Sulong form is there to build up but is still kinda obscured.
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Oh damn, new cover looks good.
I guess you could say its just like Law was with the strawhats in the hero Dressrosa ones major ally traveling with them atm or some shit.
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Do like how on the cover it keeps up with Pudding not wanting to be on the same side as Sanji lol.
I would take it more seriously if Chopper hadn't immediately asked Carrot about Cat and Dog once she regained consciousness.
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I guess you could say its just like Law was with the strawhats in the hero Dressrosa ones major ally traveling with them atm or some shit.
You could say that… Or you could say that she's more like Franky in the Enies Lobby hero cover. Law is in an official alliance with Luffy, and Vivi was being seriously teased as possibly the next strawhat. I think that gives them enough weight to stand alongside the strawhats on the hero covers. If Carrot was just a passing ally then it would have been enough to just put her on the hero cover in the background in her sulong form, but Oda made a point of putting her there twice, one of them on an equal standing with the strawhats.
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You could say that… Or you could say that she's more like Franky in the Enies Lobby hero cover. Law is in an official alliance with Luffy, and Vivi was being seriously teased as possibly the next strawhat. I think that gives them enough weight to stand alongside the strawhats on the hero covers. If Carrot was just a passing ally then it would have been enough to just put her on the hero cover in the background in her sulong form, but Oda made a point of putting her there twice, one of them on an equal standing with the strawhats.
If she only got the play as Franky or Law it would mean something.
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I would take it more seriously if Chopper hadn't immediately asked Carrot about Cat and Dog once she regained consciousness.
Everyone on the ship had already clearly gushed about her beforehand, with Chopper being the most stunned and complimentary towards her, so I don't think it's exactly accurate to act as if Chopper's nonchalant towards her or anything. It's a fair question to ask after seeing that form.
Plus brook, nami and jinbe dont care about cool things like robots so chopper is the only one of the excitable strawhats to ask that question
Chapter 437 Discussion after franky decides to join the Strawhats:
So who think Usopp is inside that duffelbag?
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Yup she became last week's news in less than a couple of hours.
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Plus brook, nami and jinbe dont care about cool things like robots so chopper is the only one of the excitable strawhats to ask that question
Brooke reacted to Franky robots vehicles in Fishman Island, he may not have seen shogun or doesn't think its that cool (poor franky)
While written by Oda, Brooke did freak out with stars seeing the Shogun in Film Z.
Brooke is already a Ninja so we would freak over them :ninja:
Somewhat like Oda's admission regarding Franky and Paulie I'd say Oda is deliberately throwing "hints" around for Carrots inclusion along with Jimbei's. If I was a more casual reader I'd probably assume both of them were joining but with what we know in the story I still feel like its a hard no for her.
Had she developed differently this awesome cover would be included with the likes of volumes 43, 49 and 64, 10 VS 100,000.
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While I still don't think this changes anything about Carrot's non-existent potential join, her appearing twice on this volume cover does slightly stand out. And I've been predicting for a while that she might be a red herring candidate like Romance said above about Paulie. Her being alongside the Straw Hats on its own doesn't really standout since other allies like Law have done the same, and it makes sense to have Chiffon, Pudding, and Bege in the background since they're all rebel Charlottes while Carrot's been tagging along since Zou.
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I would take it more seriously if Chopper hadn't immediately asked Carrot about Cat and Dog once she regained consciousness.
Even right after Carrot's greatest moment this arc, we get another reminder of how somebody else can do something just as good or better than her.
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Plus brook, nami and jinbe dont care about cool things like robots so chopper is the only one of the excitable strawhats to ask that question
Brook cares. And Jinbe likes giving his plans epic-sounding names. But Chopper's been shown to be the most in awe towards Sulong.
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Wouldn't Vivi count as the first Red herring?
Wouldn't the cover just be a mystery to those that only read from volume to volume? I am not sure about where the chapters end. But Carrot transforming came a couple of chapters before she mentioned the moon, so if the volume involves those chapters, her sulong form would be unknown to the readers. So Carrot has to show up twice, because the readers would not know if that is indeed Carrot. Even though we know it is her.
I don't think we should read too much into this cover. It could also basically be a reminder that Carrot was part of the group which entered Totland and was there from the beginning at the Strawhats side.
If Oda had decided to put Pedro there, I'm sure Pedro would have been depicted in a simliar matter.
As for Jinbe, wasn't him joining already set in stone at the end of Fishman Island and only hardcore-deniers are still unconvinced?
Carrot's still never gonna join the crew. 
Wouldn't Vivi count as the first Red herring?
Oh sure. Though when I brought up Paulie and Franky that was a fake out that Oda specifically revealed. Vivi was a last second personality swap that tagged along as was beloved. Well beloved after the fact. I swear it wasn't until Thriller Bark that people finally stopped complaining about her. One day Shirahoshi and even Rebecca will be universally loved too, you just watch.
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I don't think we should read too much into this cover. It could also basically be a reminder that Carrot was part of the group which entered Totland and was there from the beginning at the Strawhats side.
If Oda had decided to put Pedro there, I'm sure Pedro would have been depicted in a simliar matter.
As for Jinbe, wasn't him joining already set in stone at the end of Fishman Island and only hardcore-deniers are still unconvinced?
The hardcore deniers were many and held strong for a long time. 1 - If he doesn't join now after this transfusion he won't join ever. 2 - Well the crew left him behind, how are they supposed to meet up again?(I'm not kidding you). 3 - Oro Jackson Topic, Jimbei's Death Flag in Tottland. Many laughing at one particular poster who argued for Jimbei because of all the "I will die for my captain" talk.
Not until Jimbei laid down the sake cup did it seem like 99% of the deniers came around.
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The hardcore deniers were many and held strong for a long time. 1 - If he doesn't join now after this transfusion he won't join ever. 2 - Well the crew left him behind, how are they supposed to meet up again?(I'm not kidding you). 3 - Oro Jackson Topic, Jimbei's Death Flag in Tottland. Many laughing at one particular poster who argued for Jimbei because of all the "I will die for my captain" talk.
Not until Jimbei laid down the sake cup did it seem like 99% of the deniers came around.
There were still hardcore Jinbei deniers even after that. People thought he'd die before the end of the arc.
Jinbe the 10th, Bonney the 11th, and that´s it. No Carrot, no Gastino, no Pudding.
Didn't see Vivi as a Red Herring. For me she actually was a Straw Hat, just one that didn't go all the way on the journey. Like an honorary member or something.
But there were a lot of characters which tagged along for a long time. I especially recall Kokoro and Chimney: even though no one thought they would join they took part in the whole EL arc, and even were present at Merry's funeral alongside the crew.
I think Carrot as something like this. A fun character that tags along for a long time but isn't necessarily joining.
But my main reason for thinking this is because I don't like her…
