I miss Tennant so much.
Doctor Who
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I miss Tennant so much.
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How can you miss him, I see him everywhere, in so many things. XD
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I miss series 4 Tennant. I don't miss series 2 still traveling with Rose Tennant, and I don't miss series 3 whining about Rose and ignoring Martha Tennant.
I liked series 4 Tennant and Donna, fires of pompeii, planet of Ood, the library of death, Midnight, big flashy finale…
Did not like mini-movies parade of death Tennant.
ALso, new trailer out. It doesn't show anything. Not even the token inevitable Dalek voice.
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Felt like star wars for some reason. Moffat had a pretty good introduction with Eleventh hour and series 5 is fairly enjoyable I hope the same can be said with the new showrunner.
I wonder how long the master stays dead this time. Until season 12 or does he show up for the next season. I would prefer next season so the new doctor can stretch his leg first.
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I doubt we'll see the Master this season. It's a character that needs a break periodically.
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I hope so. But with a new showrunner he might want a quick feeling of each aspect of the lore.
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It took Moffat 4 seasons after taking the reins to bring back The Master.
RTD didn't bring Simm on until, was it the 2nd or 3rd season, I forget. Oh yeah, third Season, the episode Utopia with Derek Jacobi. Though Harold Saxon was mentioned a few times before then.
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Season 11 starts October 7th
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Nothing fits Doctor Who like a modern pop song, am I right?
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Preview of "The Woman Who Fell to Earth"
The Doctor: Sorry, half an hour ago I was a white haired Scotsman.
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RTD introduction was ok/mediocre and we got the smart but zanny doctor, Moffat's was good/great and we got the completely aloof doctor. I wonder how this one will and what feel we will get for this new doctor.
Are we going more Zanny or less Zanny. 9th was balanced, 10 was a bit up, 11th was waaaay up, 12th went back down down. So what aspect of the doctor will be enhanced.
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I've been getting major fifth doctor vibes from everything we've seen. Hair color is obviously a part of that, but the costume and sheer number of companions and general demeanor… though that clip was very 10. (But regeneration episodes are always wonky and not the best tell.)
At this point theres been so many its hard for them to not take at least a little after a previous one... like 11 was like 2 and 12 was like 4 to some degree. Its also a series thats been around long enough the new actors can have one they grew up on that they preferred and well...
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Just a reminder, the season premiere of Doctor Who starts in less than 15 minutes.
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I've watched the first 30 minutes so far, I'm getting Tenth Doctor vibes from her.
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It was ok. Episode was slightly above average, actor performances were better then the ep itself. Walsh was great, Whitaker was pretty good.
When I saw the silly predator-lite antagonist, my first thought was noted AP member luffyteeth lol
As a doctor introduction ep, it's obviously not as good as Spearhead, Power, or Eleventh Hour. Maybe slightly behind Rose. Better then all the others for sure though.
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I was really digging it at first, but the episode kinda lost me as it went along. Probably didn't need to be as long as it was. Ryan and Graham were set up fine, but Yasmin felt like she barely had any reason to be there. Whitaker was great though, she's definitely The Doctor.
EDIT: Actually, now that I'm thinking about it…
! What happened to the second tooth alien? For all we know, he's still out there hunting that guy.
! And The Doctor didn't really do anything to resolve the problem of they'll-just-come-back-in-another-few-years-and-do-it-again. Hell, if anything, they may be totally pissed off know and attack Earth in droves.
! If I'm mistaken about these or if they explained these problems and I just missed them, please let me know. -
That was a really fucking good episode. Best episode I've seen in years. Not only did it look visually the best Doctor Who has ever looked, I actually cared about side characters again. The people felt as important as the Doctor if not more so which is always the dynamic that should have been kept before Moffat ruined it and made the Doctor the most important being in the universe. Maybe my standards have been skewed but just having the simple things like a slow paced well built up narrative exploring a simple idea or mystery without shoving in a billion plot twists or convolutions gave me a lot of pleasure. And the acting was really top notch. More of this please. I missed this Doctor Who!
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! What happened to the second tooth alien? For all we know, he's still out there hunting that guy.
! And The Doctor didn't really do anything to resolve the problem of they'll-just-come-back-in-another-few-years-and-do-it-again. Hell, if anything, they may be totally pissed off know and attack Earth in droves.
! If I'm mistaken about these or if they explained these problems and I just missed them, please let me know.! What second alien? I only saw one?
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! What second alien? I only saw one?
! There were two of those pods, weren't there? Or was there just one pod that was somehow transferred to the warehouse?
! And didn't they say he had to be the first to catch the designated human, hence why he cheated?
! Again, maybe I completely misheard or wasn't paying attention.
! EDIT: Okay, yeah, apparently I completely missed the part where they said the pod was taken to the warehouse by that one guy. I just assumed it was a second one. -
! There were two of those pods, weren't there? Or was there just one pod that was somehow transferred to the warehouse?
! And didn't they say he had to be the first to catch the designated human, hence why he cheated?
! Again, maybe I completely misheard or wasn't paying attention.
! EDIT: Okay, yeah, apparently I completely missed the part where they said the pod was taken to the warehouse by that one guy. I just assumed it was a second one.Hehe, yeah….And the wire tentacling thing belonged to him.
I don't know if you watched on BBCA, but I was really mad about how much they edited for their stupid commercials. No opening or ending theme, and I'm absolutely certain they made cuts to the actual episode (they've done this before). There were parts where it clearly jumped or looked like dialogue was truncated. (edit - ok so apparently the opening theme wasn't there for anyone for the premiere, but the ending credits were cut) -
The new feel to the show is pretty great. The cinematography has been kicked up a notch and the characters are getting more spotlight than the plot. It also takes some risks, and I was really surprised that
! We never saw the TARDIS throughout the episode.
! And she makes her own sonic, which is growing on me. It's not a risk, but I am lost as to how she claims it's the same sonic yet it was made with brand new parts? Oh well, it's not that big of a deal to me.
The plot was interesting but there wasn't much of it. If anything, the whole alien plot was essentially there to unite those characters. And I'm okay with that.I'm liking Whittaker so far. She hasn't really done anything that's put me off or dislike her, but she hasn't completely wowed me just yet. But hey, it's only the first episode! I'm excited to see how the season will pan out as a whole, as this feels like it'll take on a serialized format.
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Most of the Doctors have taken time to grow on me somewhat and all of them are at their best in subsequent seasons, IMO. Except Eccleston of course which is tragic. ;)
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Honest trailers
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! Was into the characters more than the plot, which is a good thing if I had to choose between the two. Don't have a feel on The Doctor's personality yet, but I felt like that with most of the Doctors in the beginning. I do like her immediately helping people like normal, basically, putting her own situation on hold, and her disapproving of that guy kicking the monster off the crane. All in all, I want to see more.
! Still iffy about her outfit, but I like they're going with something other than a suit. -
https://whobackwhen.com/category/bonus-episodes/
A little bit of fun from the gang at the Who Back When podcast.
The first link on that page is their reaction to the season premiere and Jodie Whittaker as the Doctor. I haven't listened to that one yet because I'm going to see it in theaters tonight with one of my roommates so I'm keeping myself spoiler light.
The four links below that one are Who Back When's self-made, four-part Doctor Who audiobook, Operation Pandorica, which tells the tale of the last known sighting of the Last Centurion, during the London Blitz, as told by the last living eyewitness, Wilfred Mott.
I've listened to the first part and highlights include failure of the Dalek Bechdel Test and Wilf freaking out when he thinks the Centurion has eyes for his shouty ginger girlfriend.
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That new opener? Beautiful. Visually delightful, and sounds great, too.
As for the episode, I liked it. Wouldn't say I loved it, and interestingly enough, the plot was typical DW, but I enjoyed it more because of how it was… handled, I guess? Slower paced moments to actually develop the characters. It just makes the story feels less flimsy and more significant.
So. The Ghost Monument.
! Ha, "Ghost", I love that new take on the TARDIS. The interior is nice and I like the roundels that look like they're floating, although I'm not sold yet on the crystal central column. Matches the motif of the new sonic which I'm not crazy about either, but maybe that organic look just isn't my thing.
And the arc:
! Glad to know Tim Shaw wasn't a total throwaway from episode one! I'm guessing his race will be the main antagonist for the season, and I'm excited to see how Chibnall handles the final if he takes the slow-burn & build approach.
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The Tardis must have became a real fan of Apiculture while he was there. For a moment I wondered if it went emo.
I really enjoy the companions(sadly my favorite didn't get to be part of the travel) except for the police lady that was kind of empty and boring last time but this time is just neutral. And It's nice to care for side characters.
I am having a much easier time with 13th than with any new who introduction(except 9th) so that's great. She isn't great yet at being the doctor but no doctor ever started at such(maybe 9th? not sure) and she actually starting much better than the others.
I like the new screw driver. Kind of look like something the doctor would make from the spare parts of Cyberman and looks really scifi-ish. Not really doctory(lack the busyness or quirky) but definitely scifi.
Last episode was fine but did a really good job on character. On this one I felt a certain dissonance between the setting and the characters. Sepaaretely they worked but they did not fit together. but it was still a fine
Although
! I don't buy at all that the guy would share the price willingly. The episode did not earn that payoff but I am happy for the girl.
! I was surprise The Doctor sucks at knowing money but he never pays for stuff. -
lol what did you guys think of the breaking the glass ceiling commercial?
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Huh?
comes back from google search
I don't have a problem with it. Guess there are people against it if you're asking. Either hating The Doctor being female or the BBC bringing attention to it. It's something new for the Doctor, might as well celebrate it as long as it isn't the only thing that defines The 13th. -
Delightfully catoon villain, ridiculous villain that are a major threat, pot shots at big figures, zanny doctor and a crowd to follow and enlighthen the Zanny. This episode 4 was the first I felt was 100% doctor who and I loved it.
Last episode was great. Just very different also.
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! Felt like kind of a missed opportunity to not make the spiders the same ones as those from Planet of the Spiders, but still a pretty good episode. And although I agree with the anti-Trump sentiment, it, uh…felt a bit too on-the-nose.
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They really didn't need to make them like that old episode, they're terrible. Also these weren't sentient aliens like they were. XD
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Is it just me or are a lot of antagonists from the episodes being set up each episode?
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Is it just me or are a lot of antagonists from the episodes being set up each episode?
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Is it just me or are a lot of antagonists from the episodes being set up each episode?
Oh! I didn't catch that. And one works whether The Doctor's in space, through time, or on Earth. Interesting. Now, if only the 13th can get some new memorable recurring monsters.
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Is it just me or are a lot of antagonists from the episodes being set up each episode?
I don't understand what you mean.
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I think he means all three will come back at some point.
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I don't understand what you mean.
Yeah sorry, that was worried weird. I actually meant to reformat it but it posted instead. But the Stenza, racist time traveler and now the businessman all feel like loose ends that aren’t quite dealt with. Potentially even a 4th with the intergalactic race host, though I wouldn’t be surprised if he never showed back up.
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Yeah sorry, that was worried weird. I actually meant to reformat it but it posted instead. But the Stenza, racist time traveler and now the businessman all feel like loose ends that aren’t quite dealt with. Potentially even a 4th with the intergalactic race host, though I wouldn’t be surprised if he never showed back up.
Ah, gotcha. Personally though, I don't think we'll see the businessman again.
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I also got the impression that we may see all these people again. I felt like the situation with the spiders didn't get a full resolution, almost like a scene was missing. That's nothing to do with the former statement, just an observation.
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Ended up waiting a while to watch the first episode of the season so I could watch it with my wife who has never really watched the series, figured it would be a good jumping on point.
But the site that hosted the first episode then wanted a subscription for the second, so wasn't doing that. And piratebay has been down for a while, so it took a bit to get ahold of the new episodes. Not completely caught up yet.
The new doctor is fine. 3 companions is too many. The cinemetography is wonderful. The alien with teeth in his face is really dumb, even by dumb Who standards. The stories aren't doing much for me, the second episode in particular was just a mess of randomness with no real flow or reason or threat to it, that never bothered explaining anything, it just… was random thing after random thing. Spiders of Metabolis 3 was one of my favorite old Who stories, had the novelization and everything, but it hasn't aged super well and its fine that these weren't connected to the old.
New showrunner, new Doc, so it was always going to be different. But not really digging this season much so far.
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Tonight's episode was really great, definitely putting up there with my favorites.
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I have 2 questions for those who watched the old series:
1- Are the Daleks as the true rivals of the timelords an invention of the RTD era? By that I mean the thing were they are the 2 races at the top of the food chain?
2- Was time travel a common occurence among other races?
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I have 2 questions for those who watched the old series:
1- Are the Daleks as the true rivals of the timelords an invention of the RTD era? By that I mean the thing were they are the 2 races at the top of the food chain?
I think it was kinda sorta hinted at later on in the classic series, but yeah, the whole Time War was mostly a NuWho invention
2- Was time travel a common occurence among other races?
Nope. With maybe a few exceptions, Time Lords have pretty much always had the monopoly on it.
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I have 2 questions for those who watched the old series:
1- Are the Daleks as the true rivals of the timelords an invention of the RTD era? By that I mean the thing were they are the 2 races at the top of the food chain?
2- Was time travel a common occurence among other races?
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The Daleks showed up early in the very first season of Doctor Who, and they had time travel technology. In fact, at that time, the Doctor wasn't very good and controlling the TARDIS, and his companions at the time used a Dalek time travel capsule to get back to their time and place on earth. I think the idea of the Dalek's being the Doctor's greatest enemy probably started from Tom Baker's Genesis of the Dalek's serial where Davros was introduced. Prior to that, I think they were more of a metaphor for Nazis (not that it stopped at that time, the humanoid version of Daleks were basically nazis in that serial)
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I have 2 questions for those who watched the old series:
1- Are the Daleks as the true rivals of the timelords an invention of the RTD era? By that I mean the thing were they are the 2 races at the top of the food chain?
2- Was time travel a common occurence among other races?
The Time War/truly equals thing was a modern series invention, but they were absolutely around from the start of the show as the most popular and recurring villain, and Genesis of the Daleks certainly made them out to be something the Timelords were concerned with.
They weren't equals, but they were the biggest galactic threat, far as we knew. (Old show also didn't have the budget to do lots of Daleks at a time, so usually it was just a handful)
And no, time travel was not a common trick, very few had it. Some stories like City of Death actually hinged around NOT having travel in fact.
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Thanks. I am revisiting newwho in an actual straight line rather than jumping around. And trying to observe how things go and it occured to me that lore is basically stuff RTD decided who is just one show-runner so I should cut Moffat some slack considering how little RTD technically is in the long history of who. Currently at 11th.
I wonder if RTD just pick the Daleks because he liked them or because of history(I know it's a thing that Gallifrey sent the doctor to erase them at some point). as for time travel it does make for interesting stories that some others have them.
For now I go RTD is a better show runner, Moffat is a better writer.
Season 4 is more satisfying but season 5 is the better written story.
RTD has the gadgets (paper, torchwood, and screwdriver) while Moffat has the monsters and the actual usage of time(I like that Amy spans a decade and 11th takes a couple of centuries).
RTD can go a bit to big, Moffat is ridiculous with numbers and should not be allowed to play with them(He gets into millions way to easily).But I can never forgive Moffat rewritting the end of the time war. End of time was quite stupid except for the farewell and shouldn't have touched the timelords for how little it did(I hope the design was from Moffat because if not that's a dick move) but Moffat just erasing that cornerstone of 2 or 3 doctors actually annoys me enough to piss me off.
But he also has River who is my favorite who concept. Good beginning and end but with several questionable middle.
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But I can never forgive Moffat rewritting the end of the time war.
Naw, that was brilliant and exactly how it should be. Doctor had a chance to revisit his greatest failure, and did what he does, saved lives.
Nothing was actually rewritten, that's how it ALWAYS happened. The doctor just didn't remember it that way because you blank out whenever you meet your past/future selves unless you're the furthest along of the group.
The Doctor still thought he did it, he still lived with the weight and consequence of it, everything was fair and legit.
And keeping him as a stewing brooding loner that regretted genocide for the rest of the franchise, all the while the Daleks kept coming back so its not like it was a real win anyway, was not the way to keep going. The show had done that storybeat for nearly 10 years, that was enough.
For now I go RTD is a better show runner, Moffat is a better writer.
I think Mofatt probably started as the better showrunner, but the pressure of running both Who and Sherlock, and doing the heavy lifting on writing them at the same time, and the BBC jerking around the schedule (seasons 6 and 7 were broken in half for no reason, and the anniversary year was a true mess) was ultimately too much. He was burned out and ready to be done around the time Matt left, but that was the 50th anniversary and he thought he'd have one more year with Matt after to really wrap up those story lines… then rushed them to conclusion in Matt's last episode.
The Capaldi years, well, he was sort of repeating himself and didn't have the energy to be there any more, but there was no one to replace him, so... he also got screwed by Jenna Coleman NOT leaving when she originally said she was going to...)
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Naw, that was brilliant and exactly how it should be. Doctor had a chance to revisit his greatest failure, and did what he does, saved lives.
11th saving them is fine or at least not the biggest problem. War not trying to kill them is the problem.
Nothing was actually rewritten, that's how it ALWAYS happened. The doctor just didn't remember it that way because you blank out whenever you meet your past/future selves unless you're the furthest along of the group.
Which is my biggest problem. If 11th was the last step of the journey to correct a mistake that's fine. Like he said "the journey back home the long way around".But it's not.
The Doctor still thought he did it, he still lived with the weight and consequence of it, everything was fair and legit.
Pell not dying is not the same as if he died. And it would suck to learn that he never planned on sacrificing himself but had a plan all along. It takes from his last speech and imagery.
He lived with the consequences of a choice he never made. That's the problem. The timelords escaping death is fine( I would prefer if they did by themselves). Him never choosing the genocide is the problem. He never made the mistake that haunt him. So the haunting is for a misunderstanding.
And keeping him as a stewing brooding loner that regretted genocide for the rest of the franchise, all the while the Daleks kept coming back so its not like it was a real win anyway, was not the way to keep going. The show had done that storybeat for nearly 10 years, that was enough.
Erasing the genocide is fine and the doctor moving on is great. Making it so the doctor never made that mistake was not good. You can make it a journey rather than simpley make it have never happen.
I think Mofatt probably started as the better showrunner, but the pressure of running both Who and Sherlock, and doing the heavy lifting on writing them at the same time, and the BBC jerking around the schedule (seasons 6 and 7 were broken in half for no reason, and the anniversary year was a true mess) was ultimately too much. He was burned out and ready to be done around the time Matt left, but that was the 50th anniversary and he thought he'd have one more year with Matt after to really wrap up those story lines… then rushed them to conclusion in Matt's last episode.
Well 5 is the best written season so definitely he can be good. But it is so great because it is one story. Moffat is a really good storyteller. But he quickly can feel repetitive and his stories are to grand to be a show. They should be highlights not the whole thing. Which is why I think Sherlock is the perfect Moffat show since each episode is supposed to be there own thing and highlight. He is storyteller and a really good one. Showrunning should be left in the hands of someone else.
Also another problem is that Moffat know he is good and leans to much into the idea that he is going to impress his audience. River is a good idea and mostly nice execution. But her parents and timelord relation are unecesary complications that Moffat only put there to get a reaction out of the audience. It has no relation to makinga fixed point and takinng it out would make it more digestable.Season 5 Moffat put his cleverness to service the story but season 6 gets the confidence to be be less restrictive and it shows. But I will say that definetely everything felt rushed after that midseason in s6. Even more weirdly the episode for the second half of 6 is rushed itself.It's as if in the middle of writing Moffat was suddenly forced to change his pace.
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But I will say that definetely everything felt rushed after that midseason in s6. Even more weirdly the episode for the second half of 6 is rushed itself.It's as if in the middle of writing Moffat was suddenly forced to change his pace.
Well, it was probably at that point that Karen and Arthur decided they would be leaving the show and he had to speed it up… but due to BBC's scheduling and the random hiatuses they didn't end up leaving for a while after that but it led to a weird inorganic break in the season that can't have been really planned in.
It's also absolutely super duper clear that he rushed things when Matt decided to leave. He set up a big discover Gallifrey arc in the 50th anniversary, then solved it half assed in the very next episode and hurriedly wrapped up the Silence plot arc solved a bunch of things in quick throwaway lines... including wrapping up River's story in a dvd bonus short that never aired. (That he had a chance to do it right with Capaldi two years later he couldn't have known at the time.)
Similarly, Jenna Coleman staying on LONGER mucked things up too, since she had a perfect out in the season 8 christmas episode after her arc was completely done.
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1- Are the Daleks as the true rivals of the timelords an invention of the RTD era? By that I mean the thing were they are the 2 races at the top of the food chain?
The Daleks are the most consistently used rival for them in the show; if you go by books and things like that, the one species that was the biggest threat to the Time Lords were the Great Vampires.
2- Was time travel a common occurence among other races?
The Time Lords and the Daleks are about the only people who are any good at it; some of the other species, like the Sontarans, had access to time manipulating technology but it didn't always work as intended if at all.