Kaidou is a puffer fish that ate the Oars type giant df.
OH this isnt the dumb predictions thread lul
Kaidou is a puffer fish that ate the Oars type giant df.
OH this isnt the dumb predictions thread lul
Kaidou is a puffer fish that ate the Oars type giant df.
OH this isnt the dumb predictions thread lul
What got you confused?
@K.:
What got you confused?
http://pm1.narvii.com/5977/527d6ba7e5305a830aed95dfe4618cf35bab26dc_hq.jpg
What got you…aroused?
@K.:
What got you…aroused?
Toshiro Mifune i presume
And how would Blackbeard have the capacity to broadcast to the entire world?
I don't necessarily agree with K. Kira's theory, but regarding this, you might take a listen to what Greg once theorized on the One Piece Podcast about the awekening of the voices (Observation Haki) for all of the One Piece world.
At about 49:00.
None will be able to stop Mama and when shes about to kill her family straw hats will help out. Initiated by Sanji not wanting to let Pudding die. hence they kinda share the same fate dont they? both born to be "used" one day and abused as childs. Sanjis Father and Puddings Mama were both monsters to them. Capone already thought the crashing castle could be enough to finish of the Big Mum Pirates, this now is a much bigger problem. Remember what happened to the giants?
Smoothie has the Sponge Sponge Fruit.
Don't ask how it works.
Smoothie has the Sponge Sponge Fruit.
Don't ask how it works.
But that sounds like a cooler Devil Fruit than she actually has.
Chopper and brook arrive too late. Someone or everyone died at the hands of Big Mom; Brook awakens his devil fruit powers that allow him to not just recall his own soul but that of others recently departed.
Haha, well probably not, would be very dramatic though.
Chopper and brook arrive too late. Someone or everyone died at the hands of Big Mom; Brook awakens his devil fruit powers that allow him to not just recall his own soul but that of others recently departed.
Haha, well probably not, would be very dramatic though.
I fully expect something like that to happen with the Rumbar Pirates when he's finally face to face with Laboon. Brook plays his song and, as he does, the crew's spirits appear, instruments and all
I imagined him achieving that with the dead ally soldiers from the final war.
I fully expect something like that to happen with the Rumbar Pirates when he's finally face to face with Laboon. Brook plays his song and, as he does, the crew's spirits appear, instruments and all
That is so cool!
Hmmm… Now how to properly swipe this theory and pass it around here as my own.
I thought of this first remember?
Heres my theory on big moms powers.
If you are scared of losing your life, big mom can take your life.
If you are scared of being weak, for example when bm told luffy that he is not strong enough to face her OR kaidou,
Then you will lose power, energy or simply haki, thus becoming weaker (which is exactly what happened to luffy)
Both of these have already happened, assuming luffy did turn back to fight her because he is actually not scared of big mom, but being too weak to fight her.
So put simply, she can drain haki (life force, willpower w/e u wanna call it) since its related to your soul
And she can also drain actual life span.
Bring an instance of someone using a devil fruit power without clear "Uhs" and "aah".
Oda doesn't do that, if its not an obvious use of the power, as what does lifespan has to do with haki, then it gets called on. Luffy would have asked " what did you do to me?" Or he'd been asked "why did you use such reckless form?" And answer "I shouldn't be this tired".
Besides, Luffy's use of gear 4 is consistent on all other uses, he gets really tired after it.
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Plot wise, what use could that power existing have? To say that she didn't actually overpower him? She needed to soul drain him to stop him? She has beaten giants since she was six years old, she needs no help to beat this punk.
Luffy did say "I'm losing power" after his first punch (contact with big mom), at least on the translation that I read.
He also said "i am shrinking" when he turned chibi after G3 usage pre-TS
Sure, but this was after a single punch. Luffy can maintain his g4 for approximately 20 minutes.
Source?
Cracker went down with a counter, doffy's ko was one punch, and the long combo was around like 9 attacks that could have happened in 2-5 minutes tops. Real minutes, not namekians. And luffy was tired after each time.
As far as I know, 1 minute or 20, Luffy will always lose power when reverting himself.
He should get that fixed somehow.
Sure, but this was after a single punch. Luffy can maintain his g4 for approximately 20 minutes.
Luffy always turned chibi when he used G3. The length of his chibi state was dependent on how long he used G3.
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So in G3´s case, it was pretty much 1 min usage = 1 min chibi
And against the Pacifista, Luffy only used one G3 punch, yet still turned chibi
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Considering how exact Luffy´s estimate of how long his Haki would be gone was, it could very well be that such a relation between the usage of G4 and him being completely down exists. Like you said, the longest amount of time Luffy used G4 was approximately 20 minutes and he said he needed 10 minutes to regain his Haki, hence it might be 2 min of G4 usage = 1 min not being able to use Haki and losing energy.
Considering that he used G4, i don´t know, two dozen seconds against BM, deactivating G4 would still make him lose energy but only for a few seconds which is pretty consistent with how he acted after they got away from the castle.
Any idea on how you create a sword-hat with a soul fruit?
A forge? You just make it.
A better question is how you make a sun with fire.
So user Camunai over at Oro Jackson posted a very detailed theory about the Ancient Weapons linking it to Astronomy and Mythology. While it's nothing 100% new, the way it wrapped it all up it's well done and in a clear manner, and I believe it could help refresh the discussions in this thread.
Given the lenght of the theory, I put it under a spoiler:
! ANCIENT WEAPONS : THE REAL SOURCE Introduction:
! Hi everyone! CamuNai here bringing you a theory on a week with no manga chapter. Please, I put a lot effort on this theory so I would appreciate it if you take your time to read everything I have to say. It will be a bit demanding but not less than less rewarding, I hope.
! This time the topic is the Ancient Weapons ! So many people have been publishing different theories that it is difficult to add something new, specially having so few information. But I think I may have find the real source our beloved Eichiro Oda took inspiration from. A pattern that fits nicely with what we already know and no one has previously spoken about.
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! Okay, this "trip" is starting right now and it will take time for everything to start to make sense so please fast your belts and enjoy the flight. Ready??? Let´s do this!!!
! INDEX: TABLE OF CONTENT
! - Something does not fit: I explain why ancient weapons aren't based of eachs gods.
! **SOMETHING DOES NOT FIT**
! Answer this question: Did we ever get a good explanation from the source of inspiration for the ancient weapons? I think not. Let me explain, people have been trying to relate this three weapons to the deities that bear same names. But I think we just fell into Oda´s trap. Why? Because neither god Poseidon nor god Pluto relate well to their respective ancient weapons:
! As you all know the three ancient weapons are:
! -Poseidon: A mermaid that can call the seakings with her scream.
-Pluton: A ship that could destroy an island.
-Uranus: (We know nothing)
! Do the ancient weapons really resemble these gods? Judge yourself:
! -Poseidon: Greek olympian god of the sea, earthquakes and horses.
-Pluto: Roman olympian god, ruler of the underworld.
-Uranus: Greek primordial god of the sky.
! Let´s check the lack of similarities between the gods and the ancient weapons:
! -First, how can a ship (Pluton) resemble the God of the underworld? It simply doesn´t, a ship is a ship and god is a god . I mean, a vehicle that travels the seas and a human-looking god that lives in the underworld are nothing alike. Especially considering I have found a more fitting inspiration (later revealed).
! - Second , Shirahoshi´s power and outlook don´t exactly resemble god Poseidon´s:
! "Poseidon was an anthropomorphic (human shaped, with legs) god that could shake the earth, was able to cause tempests and earthquakes, drown lands, shatter rocks and had the ability to finally bring back peacefulness". This description is not particularly similar to Shirahoshi´s image and ability. Especially considering I found someone much more similar.
! But then why would Oda give the ancient weapons those "unfitting" names? I will cover this in the next section
! - 1.Conclusion: The Ancient Weapons are not based of the gods Poseidon, Pluto and Uranus.
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! THE SNEAKY TWIST
! So if the ancient weapons Poseidon and Pluton are not named after the gods … What else can they be related to?
! Let´s see .... Uranus, Pluto... ( Jupiter, Saturn....)
! ....THE PLANETS! The three outer planets!
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! Think about it:
! -¿Why would Oda give a greek name to Uranus, Poseidon and a roman name to Pluto ?
-Why would Oda give a olimpian Pluto and Poseidon and a primordial god name to Uranus? Precisely because Pluto and Uranus are planets. If Oda wanted to give a god name to the three of them the best option would be to call them by the names of the three Olympian brothers: Zeus, Poseidon and Hades.
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! And do I have to say how Oda has been teasing the theme of astronomy and space since long ago? (Cover pages, Monets book, Oharas planetary…).
! Anyway, probably you are thinking this right now:
! - Come on CamuNai ... I know that Uranus and Pluto are planets, but what about Poseidon?
! - I know, I know… But I just feel that calling the three ancient weapons Uranus, Pluto and Neptune (the roman Poseidon) would have been too easy to relate to the planets. Naming it "Poseidon" has been a trap from Oda to us. Anyway, we get a hint to the "planetary connection" because Shirahoshi´s dad is called Neptune (as the planet). Remenber, all the planets are named after roman gods (Neptune is the roman Poseidon, as Pluto is to Hades).
! - 2.Conclusion. Ancient weapons seem related to the planets named after the gods Pluto, Neptune and Uranus.
! - WAIT THERE!!! YOU ARE MAKING TOO MANY ASUMMPTIONS HERE!!! - you say…. except i am not. Just check these images:
! Pluto´s main moon is Charon !!
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! Who is Charon ? The Ferryman of the underworld. This does fit the ancient weapon, the ship of destruction, better.
! Check the images:
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! What about Poseidon then? Neptune´s main moon is Triton !!!
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! Who is Triton? The meramid god thaat controls the sea´s daemons! This does fit the ancient weapon better.
! Check the images:
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! I think Oda may have been inspired by the famous series " Sailoor Moon" where Pluto, Uranus and Neptune were the most powerful fighters and defenders of the solar system. You aren´t still convinced? Wait for the next part.
3.Conclusion : Ancient Weapons are inspired by the moon of their corresponding planet, not the gods (That´s the twist). The planet gives the name, the moon describes the weapon.
! If Poseidon is based of the moon of the planet Neptune (roman version of Poseidon) and the ancient weapon Pluton is based of the moon of the planet Pluto ….. Then does this pattern work for Uranus? Yes it does! Uranus´ moon give us clues about the third ancient weapon, but you will have to wait for that.....
! Poseidon and Pluton or Triton and Charon
! So who exactly are these two characters? Lets start with Triton:
! Triton = Poseidon
! TRITON lived with his parents (Neptune and Anphirite) , in a golden palace on the bottom of the sea. Unlike his father he had a fish tail. Triton is the host of Tritones, daimones of the sea (often depicted with sea monsters), he could control the sea with the sound of his horn, which sounded like a roar and he also wore shells. Doesn´t this sound much more similar to Shirahoshi?? Triton just looks as Shirahoshi and has very similar capabilities. Let´s d0 a fact-check of their similarities:
! - Fish-tail, check
! But maybe if we research the rest moons from this planetary system we may get more information! These are Neptune´s moons:
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! The second biggest moon is Nereid. Who is she? Or better said: Who are they? The Nereids were the 50 daughters of Nereus. They often accompany Poseidon. They often appear mounted on sea monsters.
! The best depiction of the is the altar of domitius ahenobarbus:
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! Could it be that the seakings were inspired by the Nereids? If so, we could assume there are 50 seakings in total.
! Proteus, the third biggest moon, was a merman that was capable of foreseeing the future, maybe that is where Oda took the idea of Madam Shirley´s prophecy about Luffy.
! Pluton=Charon
! Unfortunately we don´t have so much information about Charon. As said before, Charon
is the ferryman of Hades who carries souls of the newly deceasedacross the rivers Styx and Acheron that divided the world of the living from the world of the dead.The newly dead would be ferried across the Acheron by Charon in order to enter the Underworld. So a he rode a ship that brought the people from the world of the living to the world of the dead. Isn´t that similar to a ship that can destroy an island? (As Crocodile stated).
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! So as we did before we should check the other moons of this planet to get more information:
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! What we have here? Nix: Godess of night, Styx the river of the underworld, hydra and Cerberus.
! After thinking about it I will tell you what I think will happen: Blackbeard will own Pluton
Kurohige (Nix), will kill Kaido (Hydra) using the ancient weapon Pluton ( Charon). Blackbeard will appear in Wano and kill the strongest creature with an ancient weapon and get Kaido´s fruit. Hyping up both, kurohige himself and the ancient weapons. If the marines couldn´t kill Kaido even after catching him 16 times, how can he be killed? Only with a power the marines don´t have.
! (there are previous theories relating Kaido to the hydra that defended the golden apples)
(but it could be that magellan is the Hydra, as he defeated Bllackbeard in impeldown (the underworld).
In addition I think that Pluton will have the cerberus motive (as the sunny has a lion motive)
! But then wht about the strawhats?
! To speculate even further we could find out what the word Charon means in greek and decipher something about it. Lets see what the Wikipedia says about it:
! "The etymology of "Charon" is not certain. The ancient historian Diodorus Siculus thought that the ferryman and his name had been imported from Egypt." Its meaning would be "pilot".
! Hmmmm….. So Charon´s origin is in Egypt.... Do we have something similar in One piece?
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! Of course we have! Precisely Crocodile thought that Pluton was on Arabasta Kingdom!
But can we be sure about that? Well remenber how Shirahoshi lived in a palace with a golden dragon on it? Check what we can see in the royall baths of Arabasta:
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! What do a pair of golden chinese dragons do in a country based of egypt ? Well, usually chinese dragons are guardians of secret knowledge. Remember that we got similar dragons where Poseidon lives:
! 4.Conclusion: The ancient weapons are guarded by chinese dragons statues
! So, I think Blackbeard will go to Arabasta while the reverie takes place and steal pluton. Remember Arabasta is full of underground rivers and lakes so it would be pretty easy to ride it underground. And the country is crossed by a giant river so no matter how big Pluton is there is no problem for it to sail through it. But there is a nordic myth of a ship made with advanced technology by underworld elfs that could get smaller and fix into a pocket. So Blackbeard could surprise as at any moment. This would give Vivi the perfect excuse to join the strawhats and return Pluton to her kingdom.
! @Saffron Kaizoku has a great theory explaining how Pluto is in Arabasta ( Link in the description)
! But then what about Franky??? Wasn´t his dream to build Pluton???
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! Well, that is not true! His dream is to build the Anti-Pluton !!! Tom gave him the footprints of Pluton to create a counterpart. Franky himself said it.
! You know, the "U" shape of the thousand sunny always caught my attention. It is very different from other ships.
! The inspiration is obvious to me, a egypcian canopy boat!
Not sure? What about this colorspread?
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! We can see a canopy boat with a straw-hat on the top.
! View attachment 25015
! It looks we are into something here! If Franky wants to build the anti-pluton we just have to find the egyptian counterpart to Charon the underworld ferryman and the underworld ship.
! In the famous Coffin Texts of Middle Kingdom period, Aker is the "ferryman of Ra in his nocturnal bark". Aker protects the sun god during his nocturnal travelling through the underworld caverns. In other underworld scenes, Aker carries the nocturnal bark of Ra. During the day Ra rides the bark though the sky, as he is the sun-god.
(charon, acheron, acherusian, aker… the connection is visible).
! So who is aker ??? The egyptian version of Cerberus, the one and only Lion of the underworld. Later on depicted as a sphinx too.
! So a lion that defends the sun god???? Just as the sunny is a lion and a sun??? It fits magically!!! Now lets show more of what I´ve found.
! There is a specifical myth that can fit perfectly the story of One piece! The myth were Ra kills the World-serpent with his boat! This picture depicts that myth:
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! Do we have a world-serpent in the One piece universe? Yes we do! The red-line. Or as Droggy and Broggy call him: "The serpent soaked in blood"
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! And remenber how the coverpage of chapter 610 showed the guardians dragons of arabasta, the ones that protect ancient weapons? That chapter is called " Madam shirley´s prophecy" !!
The prophecy told that luffy will destroy fishman island, but I think that is a collateral damage of him destroying the red-line using the anti-pluton.
! But is franky able to build " a ship that travels the sky during the day" ? Naturally he is, did you know Franky´s design is inpired by the astronomer tycho brae ,?
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! Tycho Brahe had a metallic nose, and was the greatest astronomer of his era.
But Franky has relation too. Franky was the face of the underworld in Water seven. And in the divine comedy the devil has 3 chins. Just as Franky!
! So how could the anti-pluton be like?:
! - The egyptian underworld´s ship carries Ra ( an eagle god)
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! And exactly likes Ra´s boat the great condor travels the sky only during the day becase it uses solar energy. Remember how Franky is all about energy resources from drinks? What if he discovers a better energy source? The solar energy!
! please check the videos from @EddWarD.NewGate about this topic, they are a MUST
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! Can the Bird-boat of the colorspread be a foreshadowing?
! Conclusion 5. The anti-pluton will be a flying machine
! URANUS
! Well, well, well… here comes the big deal... First of all I have to admit I have no definitive answer for what the ancient weapon Uranus is. I will just follow the previous conclusions and pattern.
! So first of all, which are Uranus´moons?
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! Who are Titania and oberon?
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! The king and the queen of the fairies in the celtic mythology!!
You face right now:
! Okay, Okay… I know... Fairies aren´t like the coolest weapon one can imagine but bear with me. Have we seen Fairies in One piece? Well, kind of...
! Maybe you already know about the theories that say the D. clan is based of the Tuatha Dé clan. The Tuatha Dé ( literally "tribe of gods") are the ancient gods of the Irish-Celtic tradition, as Oberon is the king of fairies for the celts too. The interesting thing is that the Tuatha Dé were given the status of fairies by the church in order to give christianity a mayor relevance. Later the would be called the " Aos Sí" for this reason.
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! Maybe you wonder if Oda would really be inspired by the Irish Mythology, here you have an example:
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! I can see 6 characters that look like taken from a One Piece pannel. In adittion, irish myths tell about an island that appears and disappears (like Raftel), its name is Hybrazil or just Brazil, precisely the country Luffy is related to.
! So you should know that fairies are related to the moon (for example fairy type pokemons attack oftem involve the moon). In One Piece the moon is also called "Fairy Vearth" and precisely there are lots of theories stating that the D. clan comes from the moon.
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! Some people even call the D. clan "the fourth winged race".
So for now we have:
! Now lets check the rest of the moons:
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! Did you know the moons of Uranus have the names of Shakespeare´s characters?:
! Oberon and Titania: Whose fights created changes in the weather.
Ariel: A spirit who could create lightings with his spells.
Umbriel: King of gnomes, evil. Umbra meaning darkness. (Cough , Blackbeard, Cough)
Puck: A naughty pixie.
Miranda: Who sailed the seas and was protected by the weather magic of her father.
! So we have some mayor themes here: Weather, magic and fairies/spirits/gnomes…
! Conclusion 6. Uranus is related to weather.
! So I know what you are thinking right know…. and yes... this is another theory that relates Monkey D. Dragon to the ancient weapon Uranus, what a surprise!!! But please, let me continue with the theory. Remenber Sanji´s words after Luffy being saved by the Lightning:
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! "Hey! Do you believe in God?"…. My Foreshadowing-meter is about to explode!!!!
! The guardian chinese dragons
As you remenber the previous two ancient weapons were guarded by chinese dragons, so if we are looking for Uranus we should search for them too. Unfortunately we haven´t seen more chinese statues, the only chinese dragons we have seen are the following:
! Dragon´s ship:
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! Momo´s fruit:
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! The egg on the Oro Jackson:
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! Dragons ship´s motive, Momo´s fruit and Roger´s egg. I think roger´s egg was a dragon´s egg. Anyway, check how roger´s ship has angel wings, foreshadowing the D. clan´s relation to the winged race. I think what these three have in common is that the three of them are from the D. clan. What, isn´t Momo from the kouzuki Clan? Yes he is, but the kouzuki clan is part od the D.-s or is just another name for the D. clan, they have the moon cycles in the symbol of their clan too. Now check this image:
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! When Giolla painted Momonosuke, she painted him with a peach head (like in the momotaro fairytale), with a crown ( he should be the king), but most importantely….WITH A WING!!!
Uranus is the god of the sky so it makes perfect sense for the D. clan to be related with dragons and wings.
! So, if these three may be related to the ancient weapon Uranus, do they have anything else in common? They do! My first speculation is….
! The Voice Of All Things is the Ancient Weapon Uranus
! Also known as Voice of all creation or the Voice of the Universe, when the god Uranus is known as "the creator of the Universe" or " the source of all creation".
! This is how I think the Voice Of All Things works:
! Passive VOAT:
! -1. step: Able to communicate with non-human creatures (like luffy)
-2. step: Able to hear objects like Poneglyphs ( phone means sound, phone =/ pone )
-3. step: Able to hear the natural elements.
! Active VOAT:
! -4. step: Able to communicate with non-human creatures. (Like Momo)
-5. step: Able to writte in a language the user doesn´t know. (Like Gold roger in Sky islands)
-6. step: Able to control the elements by speaking to them. (Like Ace and Dragon)
! Exactly, I think Dragon can manipulate the natural enviroment by talking to the nature itself with the Voice of All Things. That´s why it is the VOICE of all things and not the sound or the noise…. And remember that a citizen from Drum Island said that when Ace visited the place surprisingly it did not snow that day?
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! A lot of people think that Dragon is inspired by the native american tribes, so do I. And the Cherokee tribe has a very famous way to control the weather with his "rain dance". Which would bring storm by singing and dancing. These tribes thought that their ancestors of the otherworld were the ones bringing the clouds (inherited will?).
! Both cherokees and tuatha dé tribe live inside mounds.
! Also, do you remenber how I previously mentioned "The Mysterious Cities of Gold" series? Well, at the end of the series a secret race was revealed. These race was looking for an ancient treasure. They had a special capability: telepathy. They could hear other people´s mind and speak to them without talking.
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! See how they loo like the automata of the moon?
! Also Uranus spoiled blood created the titans. The titans where deities of nature that fought the greek gods. You could say that Uranus´sons are "God´s natural enemy".
And Uranus´spoiled blood could symbolize the D´s bloodline.
! Titania (the moon) is actually the daughter of the god Uranus.
If the D clan definitely are extraterrestial you could say the are "sons of the sky" therefore sons of Uranus too (The sky god).
! By the end of the series Luffy will control the three ancient weapons:
! -Poseidon as a friend.
-Anti-pluton as a posession
-Uranus as a natural talent.
! He will use them this way:
! -Poseidon to bring the fishmen to the surface and end with the calm-belt.
-Anti-pluton to destroy the red-line and unite the four seas in the "Allr Blu"
-Uranus to read the poneglyphs and alter the natural enviroment the crazy weather the islands have. So the cherry blossoms can bloom in Drum island and Arabasta becomes more rainy for example.
! Last note
! So, here does the post end, only time will tell if it is correct o not. Actually, I don´t want to know, just as Luffy doesn´t want t know about Raftel and the One Piece until the day comes. While researching the theory something took my attention. I found that Jupiter´s planet are named after Shakespeare´s characters. Furthermore, Cervantes (writer of Don Quijote) has a star with his name. Did you know you can buy minor stars´names and call them like someone you love?
! Do you see where I am heading? Year after year thousands of new stars and planets are discovered. Could it be that some day we see a star named " Oda" ? With surroundings planets "Luffy", "Nami", "Zoro"…. Isn´t the bestseller single-author-comic worthy of such a price? Maybe I am just raving, but you know:
A man´s dream .... Will never end!
He should get that fixed somehow.
Nah, G4 is ok. Luffy knows something taught by Rayleigh himself
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Better to improve that than G4.
@Shobu:
Nah, G4 is ok. Luffy knows something taught by Rayleigh himself
! http://i1.mangareader.net/one-piece/790/one-piece-5749468.jpg
Better to improve that than G4.
That was just the King Kong Gun. Note that Rayleigh says "Gear Fourth is very taxing to the body though" which indicates that he's talking about a Gear Fourth technique and not something different.
@Kaido:
That was just the King Kong Gun. Note that Rayleigh says "Gear Fourth is very taxing to the body though" which indicates that he's talking about a Gear Fourth technique and not something different.
So… Rayleigh says that Gear Fourth is something taxing for Luffy's body and it's gotta teach him how to improve the size of that very limb in Gear Fourth because that way it would be better for him? xD That's got no sense at all.
@Shobu:
So… Rayleigh says that Gear Fourth is something taxing for Luffy's body and it's gotta teach him how to improve the size of that very limb in Gear Fourth because that way it would be better for him? xD That's got no sense at all.
No, he taught Luffy an attack that would be more effective than Kong Gun, but warned him about the negative effects of Gear Fourth still being very much in play. Considering that this scene was deliberately paired with the King Kong Gun scene, it doesn't make any sense for Rayleigh to have been referring to something else.
@Kaido:
No, he taught Luffy an attack that would be more effective than Kong Gun, but warned him about the negative effects of Gear Fourth still being very much in play. Considering that this scene was deliberately paired with the King Kong Gun scene, it doesn't make any sense for Rayleigh to have been referring to something else.
Okay… not that much interested in discuss Luffy's power-ups, but to end my thought. The scene, to me, portrays how to increase the hype about something new and to check that Luffy thinks bigger the better.
I don't think you are using the best translation available for your debate.
Look at this one.
Anyway I think you can interpret this page in many different ways.
As for me, I think it's main purpose is to explain that Gear 4th takes a toll on Luffy's body and that Luffy should come up with something else.
The fact that Luffy uses a bigger version of Kong Gun afterwards shows that Luffy is stubborn and doesn't care about his own health as long as he can defeat Doffy.
Rayliegh didn't teach King Kong Gun to Luffy, on the contrary, he considers this fighting style dangerous.
It is weird to Rayleigh to point out during that fight since it wasn't brought up at all in the end IF that was the case.
For me that scene alluded to something more than gear fourth, King Kong Gun would be it but Luffy developed that with Rayleigh still there. Luffy was left alone for 6 months to keep training after that. However, with the introduction of Gear Fourth's different forms: Bound/Tank, I think he used those 6 months to improve his limits on G4, and to come up with different variations to it.
I hope this hasn't been discussed before already.
Many people assume that the father of Makino's baby is Shanks. Shanks has obviously a connection to Foosha Village, being there twelve years ago. Oda once said in a SBS that the father is probably "that person", which seems to be a line which seems to imply a mysterious "big name" character in the One Piece World.
Well, I think that there's another mysterious person with a big name and connections to at least Dawn Island (where Foosha village is located). That's Dragon. Has there ever been any speculation that he might actually be the father of the baby and this is Luffy's biological brother?
Edit: Or more accurately, half-brother?
The Revolutionaries are generally depicted more as a guerilla-type entity who operate mostly in the shadows and seem to be generally more wary of the government monitoring their steps. The Yonko are depicted as more (sometimes very openly) reigning overlords who too may have been under constant government surveillance (see Shanks and Whitebeards meeting) and this might have intensified since Sakazuki relocated the Marine-HQ to the New World. But they seem to be much more relaxed about this (at least Shanks), since they know about their own power. Wouldn't Shanks appearing in East Blue have made much more headlines and wouldn't we have heard about it? Obviously if Oda intends Shanks to be the father he can write a solution to this problem into the story but Dragon spending time with Makino during the time skip wouldn't necessary draw a lot of attention and like I said, he too has connections to Dawn island. So him and Makino already knowing each other and falling in love might be a possibility.
Especially if Dragon's wife and Luffy's mother turns out to be a tragic figure who died or something like that.
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I hope this hasn't been discussed before already.
Many people assume that the father of Makino's baby is Shanks. Shanks has obviously a connection to Foosha Village, being there twelve years ago. Oda once said in a SBS that the father is probably "that person", which seems to be a line which seems to imply a mysterious "big name" character in the One Piece World.
Well, I think that there's another mysterious person with a big name and connections to at least Dawn Island (where Foosha village is located). That's Dragon. Has there ever been any speculation that he might actually be the father of the baby and this is Luffy's biological brother?
Edit: Or more accurately, half-brother?The Revolutionaries are generally depicted more as a guerilla-type entity who operate mostly in the shadows and seem to be generally more wary of the government monitoring their steps. The Yonko are depicted as more (sometimes very openly) reigning overlords who too may have been under constant government surveillance (see Shanks and Whitebeards meeting) and this might have intensified since Sakazuki relocated the Marine-HQ to the New World. But they seem to be much more relaxed about this (at least Shanks), since they know about their own power. Wouldn't Shanks appearing in East Blue have made much more headlines and wouldn't we have heard about it? Obviously if Oda intends Shanks to be the father he can write a solution to this problem into the story but Dragon spending time with Makino during the time skip wouldn't necessary draw a lot of attention and like I said, he too has connections to Dawn island. So him and Makino already knowing each other and falling in love might be a possibility.
Especially if Dragon's wife and Luffy's mother turns out to be a tragic figure who died or something like that.
Why would Dragon hook up with a bar maid we've never seen him met on-panel even if he has connections to Goa Kingdom? Especially when he is so fixated on opposing the World Government rather than chilling like Shanks? Also, Luffy getting a new baby brother would make the inevitable moment of Luffy giving this kid his straw hat in a series epilogue feel even more nepotism than even coincidentally inheriting a straw hat from both a Yonko and the Pirate King did. Especially when this series is constantly shoving down our throat how support and bonds don't have to come from being blood-related to somebody. Rather than what Shanks' son could in being an inspiring non-blood-related relationship and Shanks' son being the symbolic surrogate for Luffy fulfilling his promise of giving Shanks back the straw hat.
I think we all need to accept that Oda didn't want to care about worldbuilding issues during East Blue if it meant that he could build-up to cool stuff way later in the series.
Nami will get a zeus-like small cloud as a gift from Big Mom after the pacific resolution.
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Why would Dragon hook up with a bar maid we've never seen him met on-panel even if he has connections to Goa Kingdom? Especially when he is so fixated on opposing the World Government rather than chilling like Shanks? Also, Luffy getting a new baby brother would make the inevitable moment of Luffy giving this kid his straw hat in a series epilogue feel even more nepotism than even coincidentally inheriting a straw hat from both a Yonko and the Pirate King did. Especially when this series is constantly shoving down our throat how support and bonds don't have to come from being blood-related to somebody. Rather than what Shanks' son could in being an inspiring non-blood-related relationship and Shanks' son being the symbolic surrogate for Luffy fulfilling his promise of giving Shanks back the straw hat.
I think we all need to accept that Oda didn't want to care about worldbuilding issues during East Blue if it meant that he could build-up to cool stuff way later in the series.
The thing with the kid inheriting the hat at the end and this being weird if this is Luffy's half-brother is a good point, I'll give you that.
As for the second paragraph, I don't understand that well what you mean. The child was first seen in Chapter 614 after the time skip. And here it gets interesting: Was this child planned from the very beginning? If so, Shanks really is the more likely father since he was definitely there since One Piece's inception. Even though Dragon was introduced in Chapter 100 so it's safe to assume that he too was already concieved during East Blue, although probably later than Shanks.
If the child was planned later (like many things we assume are planned from a very early point on but are only conceived by Oda much later than we thought, see some of his interviews) than I think we can totally assume that it could be someone else than Shanks.
Why would he hook-up with her? Well there's the whole story of how Dragon abandoned him which will likely explained in a Dragon flashback where Oda could give us hundreds of reasons for that. Like I said, I'm not making this up to be "Much more likely than Shanks is the father" but more like "Another angle to consider".
There's also the fact that Oda really likes to screw with reader's expectations when it comes to family relations (Luffy's grandfather and before revealed many were on the wrong track that Ace is Luffy's half-brother who's still Dragon's son).
After a lot of heated debates, the only other plausible candidate is Sabo, Sabo visiting fushia makes sense, and it's not like they were too close to be like siblings.
Shanks is more probable, because he actually showed interest in her, even though he's older than makino than makino is older than sabo.
After a lot of heated debates, the only other plausible candidate is Sabo, Sabo visiting fushia makes sense, and it's not like they were too close to be like siblings.
Shanks is more probable, because he actually showed interest in her, even though he's older than makino than makino is older than sabo.
Where was Makinos Age stated? After reserach if found nothing?
After a lot of heated debates, the only other plausible candidate is Sabo, Sabo visiting fushia makes sense, and it's not like they were too close to be like siblings.
I'm getting that you're parodying my suggestion but for reasons I stated the whole thing didn't seem that farfetched to me.
Shanks is more probable, because he actually showed interest in her, even though he's older than makino than makino is older than sabo.
The thing that bugs me a little bit is that it seems so easy for Shanks to just appear in Foosha Village. Wouldn't this made headlines? Him appearing in such a remote place? Does he have a secret way to get there? I don't think Makino came to visit him in the New World. :getlost:
But yeah, we already have two brothers for Luffy, so a third one would seem not very creative, I get that.
Where was Makinos Age stated? After reserach if found nothing?
Just aproximations, and conjectures. She was over 10 in the flashback, but under 15, in the first chapter she'd be between 17 and 23, and bellow 30 in present time. I'd say robin's age.
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Damn, I completelly messed up. I think that I got the makino from the flashback confused with chapter 0 makino, as chapter 1 is before the flashback.
Elaborating further on what i posted in random question thread:
Ill go ahead and make a bold theory about Kaido. I believe that his unique thrait is that he, due to his well established endurance, borderline immortality, is one of those characters like Blackbeard who has consumed multiple devil fruits. In fact, my theory is that Kaido has consumed no less than 100 Zoan fruits, hence the epithat 100 beasts kaido.
EVIDENCE THAT SUPPORTS MY THEORY:
It would in fact be a minor plothole for Kaido to not have multiple DFS. Why? because we know he is obsessed with killing himself but so far has never succeeded. The EASIEST way for anyone to commit suicide in one piece is to consume multiple Devil Fruits. That means that for kaido to have 1 or zero devil fruits, Oda would have created a contradictionary plot hole. Kaido has had more access to devil fruits than any other character in the series. There is no way he could be ignorant of the hazards of consuming several fruits. If he is sincere in his deathwish, he should have been dead a long time ago had he not been one of the characters in the series capable of consuming several devil fruits.
Elaborating further on what i posted in random question thread:
Ill go ahead and make a bold theory about Kaido. I believe that his unique thrait is that he, due to his well established endurance, borderline immortality, is one of those characters like Blackbeard who has consumed multiple devil fruits. In fact, my theory is that Kaido has consumed no less than 100 Zoan fruits, hence the epithat 100 beasts kaido.
EVIDENCE THAT SUPPORTS MY THEORY:
It would in fact be a minor plothole for Kaido to not have multiple DFS. Why? because we know he is obsessed with killing himself but so far has never succeeded. The EASIEST way for anyone to commit suicide in one piece is to consume multiple Devil Fruits. That means that for kaido to have 1 or zero devil fruits, Oda would have created a contradictionary plot hole. Kaido has had more access to devil fruits than any other character in the series. There is no way he could be ignorant of the hazards of consuming several fruits. If he is sincere in his deathwish, he should have been dead a long time ago had he not been one of the characters in the series capable of consuming several devil fruits.
Just stop please
Blackbeard is the first person to have more then 1 DF… END...
Care to elaborate?
The Gorosei literally went "Blackbeard is the first person to ever eat two DFs". It´s a definitive statement that makes anybody else having done the same thing impossible.
And your plothole is not entirely wrong but you know, he can simply jump into the water and that´s it, no matter how many fruits he has eaten, so there is always going to be that thought in the back of your head.
Oda was trying to show he is invincible and he did it in a funny and weird way which, if you take it seriously, opens up a lot of questions that will never get answered.
The Gorosei literally went "Blackbeard is the first person to ever eat two DFs". It´s a definitive statement that makes anybody else having done the same thing impossible.
And your plothole is not entirely wrong but you know, he can simply jump into the water and that´s it, no matter how many fruits he has eaten, so there is always going to be that thought in the back of your head.
Oda was trying to show he is invincible and he did it in a funny and weird way which, if you take it seriously, opens up a lot of questions that will never get answered.
I forgot about the gorosei comment… regarding the water then some races in one piece can breathe underwater, Kaido being 1/4 fishman or something could in theory cover up that hole if oda really wanted to make the story 100% waterproof from plotholes. The multiple DF part is technically unsolvable though so this suicidal personality thrait of kaido was really a messy idea and oda should have scrapped it
Don't take things literally. The fact "no one can kill him not the man himself" doesn't mean that he genuinely wants to die.
It might means that he likes to test how much he can endure and tries to suicide in ultra violent and imaginative ways like falling from a sky island.
It's to kill his boredom, not himself.
He could try jumping into a volcano or eat a bomb. Because he doesn't actually know if that would kill him.
He could probably die of starvation or drowning. But he doesn't want to go like that lol.
Moria will take the shadow of Zunisha and give it to luffy to create the new improved version of nightmare luffy, that's how he will beat kaidou. And moria will take kaidou's shadow at the end.
Don't take things literally. The fact "no one can kill him not the man himself" doesn't mean that he genuinely wants to die.
It might means that he likes to test how much he can endure and tries to suicide in ultra violent and imaginative ways like falling from a sky island.
It's to kill his boredom, not himself.
He could try jumping into a volcano or eat a bomb. Because he doesn't actually know if that would kill him.
He could probably die of starvation or drowning. But he doesn't want to go like that lol.
This.
However, about the drowning issue I perfectly can imagine Kaido being able to crawl back slowly to the land. Sure, of course, he would be heavily handicapped under water like every other DF user, but do we know for sure that DF users are completely unable to move - instead of "only" losing LOTS of stamina. Sure, his DF ability heavily is handicapped, but there's still his hellish own tenacity and durability. That said, whereas I cannot see him walking out of water completely effortless, I still can see him crawling back in some way.
Whereas I cannot see him eating a second DF on purpose, him landing into the open sea after one of his suicide jumpings doesn't seem too farfetched.