"UltraSun/Moon is just gonna be the same stuff with some minor differences."
Tries to contain laughter
"UltraSun/Moon is just gonna be the same stuff with some minor differences."
Tries to contain laughter
Adhesive has a much more traditional design than the other Ultra Beasts. Speaking of, Rock/Steel? Why does such a cool design have to have such a garbage typing?
Not just Pokemon they're splitting now, but characters too?
Why does such a cool design have to have such a garbage typing.
Because every strength has to be compensated with some weakness. That pretty much implies UB Assembly is going to have massive defenses.
I just want a Ice/Poison UB
Ultra Beasts are perfect for strange typing combos
I like the new UB, I'm a fan of the little pixie mythical pokemon and it fits with those guys pretty well.
@The:
What!? A new map (that is not Kanto that everyone and his mother want to go again for nothing) and no one is hyped?
Yeah sure Pokémon is dead, more like the fans is dead
We had basically nothing to be excited about up to this point, that's why people are so negative.
The new stuff is pretty cool.
Geez. Even with Pokemon releases I'm never exited about, there's always atleast one thing that manages to pique my interest… And so far there's absolutely none.
So far it's..
-more ultra beast in rather generic looking "zones"(dubbed "regions" to sound grandiose) that are probably super tiny and solely meant for the UB encounters.
-a new team... yay? Rock wolf in another color?
I don't know. I don't really mind missing out on a release, especially since I feel these "expansions" on previous releases to be geared more towards those that missed the games as they came out the first time... And heck, let them have fun with the same game that's only slightly better, I guess.
If anything, I'm more interested in what the new move tutor sets and small general changes bring to the next VGC tournament if the format is still as restrictive(Alola catches only and no Mega Stones). And I'm mostly speaking as a spectator that enjoys watching these things than playing it anymore. So I'm hoping the meta gets more exiting form this release.
I mean so far the new content seems like enough to spice up the game a bit. I definitely do hope there's a decent move tutor. I have some shinies I want to make that just flat-out aren't competitively viable without tutor moves.
Yeah at this point this game is bringing more than other sequels, now I have to agree that I don't see where the complaints are coming, many other games just added a facility, changed the story a bit and made the pixie mythical available.
I'm sure we get a new battle facility, we get new villains, new zones, new pokemon, new "gym leaders", if some stuff is similar, well it was similar in the older sequels. These last two or three trailers actually made me want to buy the game.
That one little UB is actually pretty cute, and the poison typing is nice. What I don't particularly enjoy about them adding more UBs is that the meta is probably going to be heavy with them and the tapus, unless these ones are as bad as Guzzlord.
So far the whole Ultra Dimension thing reminds me of Platinum, though this is clearly more expansive than that into the "new story" territory. Though I still can't tell if as much as B2W2.
I'd call it somewhere between Platinum and BW2
it looks like the new team interrupts Aether, considering Lusamine is normal and not a jellyfish monster/in a coma
I kinda wish Adhesive had a secondary typing, something weird, but it's cute so whatever.
I wonder if there's some design reason behind these typings or if they just get picked randomly. They obviously want to use them to counter the Tapu meta given that now we have two UBs that are poison and two UBs that are steel.
But why make Burst fire/ghost? Alola Marowak and Chandelure both do so much work for that typing while also having abilities to switch them into moves without damage. I can kinda get not making any of them fairies since the purpose is to cancel out the tapu meta and it'd be counter-productive to add more strong fairies, but HOW are you going to tell me something like Mr. Mime is fairy but this is a ghost. HOW.
Also I weep at the lost chance of unique combos of Fire/Fairy from Burst or Poison/Fairy from adhesive =(
Burst is Ghost because it's a clown and clowns are supernatural horrid creatures and Mr. Mime is fairy because mimes are otherworldly horrid creatures
it's a very important distinction, learn more by consulting your local clown biologist
So… how large should we expect the new areas to actually be?
I'd like to hope for a whole new "dark world" the size of the main world, but that seems unlikely.
I love UB and I definitely like the new ones. And I really like the fact for the first time they are introducing new pokémon mid-gen (if I ignore the fact they will never patch S&M to code those new guys, so they will become useless to play online). Plus I love Alola, had a blast with Sun (beat the game after 130 hours IIRC), probably the Pokémon game I had more fun playing so far.
That said, I can't see myself buying this game :| just… not interested. I don't care about legendaries in general (meaning Solgaleo and Lunala new forms in this case), I don't give the slightest fuck about Lycanrock and I definitely was never sold on the Z-moves... the plot is all new, it seems, but magcargos will freeze before I buy a pokémon game for its plot. So technically the new UB are the only thing going for me.
Seems like the absence of National Dex on the games and only on Pokebank is for the purpose that they can add new Pokémon anytime they want
Out of curiosity, I see a lot of people saying that this game doesn't do much in terms of why they play pokemon in the first place, and to me that just begs the question
What is it that you guys play pokemon for? Don't know if that has actually come up before but since so much mention about a new game not having IT, I'm just wondering what IT is. Not to mention that between two recent main-game pokemon replays I've been reflecting a lot on this series.
I play pokemon for the pokemon
competitive teams don't interest me and I zone out through most of the stories (BW's is good though)
but give me a team of mons and I'll beat up every man, woman, and child's mons in this entire damn region
and I'll do it with only bugs after that
inserts Thor: Dark World joke here
What is it that you guys play pokemon for? Don't know if that has actually come up before but since so much mention about a new game not having IT, I'm just wondering what IT is. Not to mention that between two recent main-game pokemon replays I've been reflecting a lot on this series.
I go for the adventure/filling up the pokedex. The latter is something that's technically been…..done on my end, so any new game would appeal to me to showing a new region, new places to explore, and hey, new encounters.
I like the ins and outs of competitive play, but sadly I can't really get into it; I don't have the patience/time for IV checking or mass breeding or anything like that. I raise who I want to raise. :)
Out of curiosity, I see a lot of people saying that this game doesn't do much in terms of why they play pokemon in the first place, and to me that just begs the question
What is it that you guys play pokemon for? Don't know if that has actually come up before but since so much mention about a new game not having IT, I'm just wondering what IT is. Not to mention that between two recent main-game pokemon replays I've been reflecting a lot on this series.
I play it to collect stuff.
The main quest in each game is also a major factor, but the last two generations seem to have less effort put in.
Five or ten years ago I would've been really excited to replay the same game but better, but the last three generations provided us with two sets of remakes and one set of sequels, so I was expecting something more.
For me I think it's some of what you guys say, mainly the notion of customization. I like how much the game is shaped by the party you choose to have and the sort of fun/frustrating memories you develop as a result of those team compositions. And as a whole my pokemon fanaticism revolves around fierce loyalty to the mons that have carried me within the games over the years.
In that sense I guess the notion of new mons, new story events and wider options for things that can be captured means I should still enjoy USUM.
For me is the collecting. The competitive side intrigues me from a development and balance standpoint, but the opacity of the pokemon company leaves me in the dark about that aspect.
The story is cute and fun, but it would be like the umbrella and proper glass for a drink. It gives shape to the mechanics, but it would be like drinking a mojito out of a dish.
Yeah I'm a collector first, the first thing I do every gen is completing the national dex, I like battling also, but I don't do it that much, I also enjoy playing RPGs with an actual story, so SM on one side had me a bit bummed since I didn't have that many new Pokemon to collect as I expected, but I'm happy with the story and the design of the Pokemon we did get, 3rd Gen is still the gen I complain most due to the reasons I mentioned above.
I play pokemon to catch the new pokemon, especially ones I like, and beat the champion.
I'm so casual that I buy the game and hardly do anything post game. My Sun is collecting dust because I'm pretty much done after the champion.
I do collect but I'm too lazy. That and the postgame nowadays are boring as hell.
Actually, why do I still bother?
I feel like I should clarify that I did actually enjoy Sun and Moon's story the first time I played the game, but the abysmal amount of dialog and literally-forty-minutes-long-when-you-speedrun-it tutorial area badly put me off of the game on my second playthrough.
I feel like I should clarify that I did actually enjoy Sun and Moon's story the first time I played the game, but the abysmal amount of dialog and literally-forty-minutes-long-when-you-speedrun-it tutorial area badly put me off of the game on my second playthrough.
That is something they could probably fix with a skip cutscene/dialogue button, this was their first time doing something like this.
That is something they could probably fix with a skip cutscene/dialogue button, this was their first time doing something like this.
That would help, but honestly the whole first third of the game really needs to be redesigned from scratch.
That would help, but honestly the whole first third of the game really needs to be redesigned from scratch.
And from what we've seen so far, that looks like the portion of the game that will still be more or less the same in USUM…
On another note, I got tired of level-grinding in Gold and decided to face Red with a team of lv72 Pokémon (and a lv73 Nidoqueen and a lv75 Feraligatr)...
I kicked his ass. I mean his Snorlax was incredibly obnoxious (-6 Accuracy? Fuck that, I'm still gonna hit with Body Slam SEVERAL TIMES IN A ROW and inflict paralysis just about every time! Because that's what a 12,5% accuracy coupled with a 30% paralysis chance implies, right?) but apart from that the battle went pretty painlessly.
That would help, but honestly the whole first third of the game really needs to be redesigned from scratch.
I liked the story, so I can't complain much about it, but at the start it does get a bit irritating that you want to explorer and every 2 minutes you have some kind of conversation.
Me, personally?
I definitely agree that the first island is too linear/handholdly, and even later on there's a lot of cutscenes. I do like the story though: Guzma, Lillie, Lusamine, Gladion, Kukui, all memorable faces.
I can agree that the actual content of the story and the first trial were fine.
It's just that there's a ton of bullshit filler designed to waste your time, like when you first reach Hau'oli City and IMMEDIATELY get dragged aside and forced to play the watered down Pokemon Snap minigame.
It's also kind of bad form to show the largest city in the game right away. Waiting a bit to introduce Castelia City and then slowly revealing it as you cross Skyarrow Bridge was one of the best things Black and White did aesthetically.
I'll try to get a marshadow code. American DS European store so I'm not sure how it will work out.
I'm thinking of assemble a poison-based team this time. Sans the starter, of course.
https://veekun.com/dex/pokemon/search?type=poison
No one loses poison type, except Bellosom.
Type distribution wise, poison type is one of the less varied, lacking combo with: Normal, Ice, Electric, Psychic, Fairy and Steel.
! Poison: Arbok, Muk, Weezing, Serviper, Swalot and Garbador. Oh, and UB-Adhesive or whatever.
! Poison/Grass: Venusaur, Vileplume, Victreebel, Roserade, Amoonguss
! Poison/Bug: Beedrill, Venomoth, Ariados, Dustox and Scolipede
! Poison/Dark: Skuntank, Drapion and Alolan Muk
! Poison/Water: Tentacruel, Quilfish and Toxapex
! Poison/Ground: Nidoking and Nidoqueen
! Poison/Flying: Crobat
! Poison/Ghost: Gengar
! Poison/Fighting: Toxicroak
! Poison/Dragon: Dragalge
! Poison/Fire: Salazzle
! Poison/Rock: Nihilego
Huh, no legendary, that's unfair. Well, we didn't had fighting legendaries until the muskedeers, and fairy type didn't exist and now has 5 legendaries.
And the weird fact that only the Zubat line is poison flying kind of leaves me like, there wasn't another?
Well I guess UB's aren't legendaries but there is a Poison-type there (and another coming). Gliscor isn't Poison type but I always think it is due to Poison Heal and you know, scorpions being poisonous.
Poison/Ice…..hmm. Now that's a challenge to make if I ever did see one.
Frozen-covered spider or scorpion?
Gliscor, just ground/flying, but missing poison, bug and maybe dark.
I guess I should count the UBs as legendaries, but I'm talking in the lore sense, of a guardian spirit or recurrent catastrophe, not the "aliens" kind of legendaries.
Well I guess UB's aren't legendaries but there is a Poison-type there (and another coming). Gliscor isn't Poison type but I always think it is due to Poison Heal and you know, scorpions being poisonous.
Why shouldn't UBs be considered legendaries? Their BSTs are only slightly lower than the average non-box legendary.
Gliscor, just ground/flying, but missing poison, bug and maybe dark.
I guess I should count the UBs as legendaries, but I'm talking in the lore sense, of a guardian spirit or recurrent catastrophe, not the "aliens" kind of legendaries.
Ah, like….mythical? I was thinking of the latter definition you're describing.
If tapus are legendary then so are UBs, imo, though I admittedly am not sure how they compare stat-wise.
Regarding poison, insert rant about how spritzee wasn't made into a poison/fairy and instead the plague mask and implication were dropped in favor of the worst Pokemon design ever.
you mean….?
Never used it or Slurpuff (whatever that thing is called)
Slurpuff is a melty doggo, it's better than that other thing
I can always improvise. Though I aim for a poison type team, especies that do not fit the category but may have poison-related abilities and/or movesets are also good.
So: poison heal, poison point, aftermath, corrosion, effect spore, immunity?, liquid ooze, and the like?
So: poison heal, poison point, aftermath, corrosion, effect spore, immunity?, liquid ooze, and the like?
Pretty much. Pokemon based on actual poisonous especies but not poison type per se would also fit.
A part of me likes to think of UB not as legendaries because legendaries in general (there are exceptions) irk me, but the UB are amazing. But, yeah, they are just a specific group of legendaries
On that, I really like the new ones. I wasn't into Assembly until I found out it is actually similar to Wishiwashi school form in the sense it is an assembly (!) of multiple beings - once I looked at each tile individually, it suddenly became cute.
Why shouldn't UBs be considered legendaries? Their BSTs are only slightly lower than the average non-box legendary.
And even that is probably because of Beast Boost.
Why shouldn't UBs be considered legendaries? Their BSTs are only slightly lower than the average non-box legendary.
Going by that logic, should we consider the likes of Arcanine, Volcarona or Silvally legendaries? Should especies that can mega evolve be considered as such as well? Should friggin Wishiwashi whose BST is over 600 be considered one?
UBs are non-breedable, super powerful beings that are either one-of-a-kind, or you only get at most four of them after which point it's impossible to ever encounter them again. They're legendaries in everything but name.