I mean, he did hand over his key without Zoro having to search him for it, and he respected Zoro's skill. My opinion is that he's just doing his job, and he's not really a bad guy.
Maybe Kaku's not such a bad guy after all.
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Well… acctually it is the SH who is "evil" and the WG who is "good" even if how they handled Water 7 wasn't very "good".
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Kaku's pretty good among the CP9, but he still tried to kill Robin. Given, in pretty much the world's eyes that a good thing.
I think "a soldier following orders" sums him up well.
Oh yeah, he betrayed Iceberg and Paulie at Water…that's a pretty asshole thing to do--job or not. That's probably his only clear sin, since some people believe that an assassin can get by without killing too many people.
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Well… acctually it is the SH who is "evil" and the WG who is "good" even if how they handled Water 7 wasn't very "good".
No.
The WG is corrupt, evil and it inhibits your freedom.Back on topic, I wonder if we'll ever see him again?
Holy hole in a doughnut, Batman!
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I'll be glad for a sidestory for him, and him alone. But that's probavly the best we can get from him.
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@Rai:
I'll be glad for a sidestory for him, and him alone. But that's probavly the best we can get from him.
Yah, that at least would be good enough. Like one of those mini-arcs on the splash pages.
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I personally think Kaku isn't "evil", but is, like someone mentioned, merely following orders. He seemed to pretty friendly when he was at Galley La, he was almost always smiling, and he laughed at himself when he lost. He seems like a pretty good guy.
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I want to know all the CP9's backstories.
Lucci's seemed fake somehow… like it was a staged battle.
I bet Kumadori's is great. Kaku may just be impressionable.
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I agree with the "He is just following orders". However, you can blame him for "betraying" Icebur and Galley-la, since he IS working for the World Government in the first place. He was sent there as a spy, to "pretend" to want to work there….or something like that....
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The last guy I remember who aknowledged defeat gracefully was Mr 2. He later helped out the crew. Hmm.
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ah…good o'l Bon Clay.....
if Kaku were to survive this, I don't think it going to be the the same as Bon Clay's........
maybe we are all seeing this too wide...... maybe Kaku is just a good loser...unlike the usual people, who are sore losers......
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No. The WG is corrupt, evil and it inhibits your freedom.
back on topic, I wonder if we'll ever see him again?yes because its been shown that the WG is corrupt through and through
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Kaku may just be impressionable.
I was thinking that he was either very impressionable, or raised from birth to work for the WG.
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yes because its been shown that the WG is corrupt through and through
however, the 5 old geezers doesn't look like they are corrupt, they look like they are making decisions on the basis of "their own" vision of world peace…... which is why corruption is somehow rampant throughout the World government and marines.....
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however, the 5 old geezers doesn't look like they are corrupt, they look like they are making decisions on the basis of "their own" vision of world peace…... which is why corruption is somehow rampant throughout the World government and marines.....
The problem is that the WG is incredibly short sighted when it comes to looking foreward and care too much when they look back. The only thing they care about is keeping the ancient past SECRET. As for the future, they're willing to blow the whole world to cinders and too short sighted to notice it's what they're doing.
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I think the high corruption rate in the WG is due to the fact they aren't nearly as in control as they let on.
There are huge swaths of the world they can't readily access and patrol. Not only does this tend to let people like Arlong and Crocodile operate unimpeded, but I think they do have somewhat of a problem with resource allocation… keeping possibly several Buster Call fleets on 10-minute notice is a lot of firepower that could be used to keep order.
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The world Government isn't corrupted at all Oo; Don't know how you guys get that idea. The 5 geezers did well keeping any knowledge of the ancient weapons secret: What else should they do, if you keep in mind that those weapons are easily able to destroy the whole world? ôo;
If you were to chose: Letting some people who are more or less acting with a good purpose (Ohara, Iceberg and the Strawhats) do what they want, while risking the destruction of the whole world? Or bear the sin of killing them to protect everyone else on the whole planet from suffering and death? The lives of a few versus the lives of all!
Even the decision to capture Robin/Franky to gain knowledge about the Ancient Weapons can't be called "corrupted": Robin and Franky were running around freely and uncontrolled. How could anyone be sure that they don't intend to revive the ancient weapons?
Don't forget that the World Government merely commanded Spandam to get those people first and then they'd see what to do with them - They never said that they actually wanted to revive those weapons, even though Spandam recommended that.
But, from the World Government's point of view, it's in any case a lot better to have Robin and Franky under governmental observation, even if that means that you have to imprison them, than letting them do what they want. Because that again could result in the end of the world.
Calling the World Government corruped is kinda easy. But I'd really like to hear what would you do in their position? ôo;;
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maybe we are all seeing this too wide…... maybe Kaku is just a good loser...unlike the usual people, who are sore losers......
that is why Kaku rules. I enjoyed every moment he was there, so I hope we do get to see him again soon ^^ a chapter cover story would be so awesome! That would mean later fillers for the anime lol
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I mean, he did hand over his key without Zoro having to search him for it, and he respected Zoro's skill. My opinion is that he's just doing his job, and he's not really a bad guy.
Kaku's a bastard.
Just not an asshole.
Since Oda has created characters that aren't simply two-dimensional and only capable of seeing good and evil (Smoker or Tashigi and Ao Kiji) then anyone in the Odaverse who knowingly CAN observe the situation from all angles and still choose to work for a crooked 'justice', they're a bastard.
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I always found him to be a dull character whose personality Oda couldn't seem to decide on.
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maybe Oda didn't though about it until the fight with the mugiwaras…...
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Kaku's a bastard.
Just not an asshole.
Since Oda has created characters that aren't simply two-dimensional and only capable of seeing good and evil (Smoker or Tashigi and Ao Kiji) then anyone in the Odaverse who knowingly CAN observe the situation from all angles and still choose to work for a crooked 'justice', they're a bastard.
That raises an interesting question. Who can see the situation from a bird's eye view?
Even Robin isn't objective… does she know what powers the Ancient Weapons will unleash?
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I personally don't think the ancient weapons are what everyone thinks they are. If you look closely at the fake blueprint that Iceburg gives Lucci, the supposed Pluton looks a lot like Maxim.
Did Franky and Iceburg really look over those plans? They saw them with Tom when they were kids, but I don't think they truely gazed on them. Even if they did, maybe the plans were fake.
There has to be a reason the Ancient Society WANTS people to find them. Perhaps they reveal the world for what it really is, or cause something "Hidden" to appear.
But back on topic.
Kaku isn't a bad guy, per se. He was just following orders. You've heard of "Loyalty to the End", right? It's a phrase that goes well with any true soldier.
The Metal Gear Solid games teach this a lot. MGS 3 in particular shows that true dedication to one's country is something that takes a lot of effort. Lucchi takes this to the extreme; Kaku and others take it to the point where they'll betray their friends. Showing remorse is something that's completely subjective. If you're extremely loyal to your cause, you'll betray anyone or tell any lie as necessary without even considering the implications.
All-in-all, Kaku is not a bad person. He's just loyal to his cause.
I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.
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Kaku is not a bad guy , even the cold blooded killer lucci is not a real bad guy . In one piece , all the major players are not "bad guys" , they are just persons with their own point of view .
If you look closely the obedience of kaku and lucci to the WG is the same as the obedience of zoro to luffy . They are loyal to their leaders .
I m pretty sure that even if luffy was an evil bastard , zoro would still be loyal to him .
Among all the characters we have met , good or evil , there were a lot who were loyal to their boss even when if he was a real asshole :Cabagi was loyal to buggy , jango was loyal to kuro , gin was extremely loyal to krieg , the whole arlong pirates were loyal to arlong and arlong himself was loyal to his crew , daz bones was loyal to crocodile ( he choose to stay with him even when he had the chance to escape ) ,ace is loyal to whitebeard , sarquiss and the others were loyal to bellamy ,ohm was loyal to ener and really considered him as a god , the whole foxy crew was loyal to foxy , paulie is loyal to iceberg , the franky family is loyal to franky .
It's all about loyalty , kaku is loyal to the WG and in lucci 's case it is a bit more extreme but it's still loyalty .
It's because all the characters good or bad are sticked to their personal convictions and beliefs that they seem to be so real ; they all fight for what they believe or what the persons or organisation they respect the most believe.
Nothing is really black or white in one piece , it's why i love it so much !:wub: -
all those "maybe Kaku/Paulie/Luchi/other CP9 good guy and stuff joinen crew threads are a fukin pain in the ass
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edit: btw Kaku sure is a good guy cauz hes a marine
Pirate are stealing stuff from otherz cauz they aint got anything
and the marines fight against the pirates
so how the hell Kaku couldnt be a good guy
those threads make me so sick
its unbelievebal:cwy:
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Personnaly i think stupid to think that lucci would join the crew and for kaku i think that maybe Oda planned to make him join but changed his mind while writing the story (after all he planned to make kokoro a man but changed him to a woman ) ; maybe the design of both kaku , pauli and franky was how he would have create the mugiwara shipwright but instead of choosing one he decided to use the 3 design as 3 distinct characterswho were in each group : galley la ( pauli ) , ff ( franky ) and cp9 ( kaku) .
That would explain why those 3 were both presented in a special way .
Of course (except for the kokoro part ) , it's pure speculation .
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even if it is pure speculation, Kaku technically won the poll of the shipwrights, it's up to Oda if he wants choose who to be the mugiwaras shipwright…
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I personally don't think the ancient weapons are what everyone thinks they are. If you look closely at the fake blueprint that Iceburg gives Lucci, the supposed Pluton looks a lot like Maxim.
Did Franky and Iceburg really look over those plans? They saw them with Tom when they were kids, but I don't think they truely gazed on them. Even if they did, maybe the plans were fake.
There has to be a reason the Ancient Society WANTS people to find them. Perhaps they reveal the world for what it really is, or cause something "Hidden" to appear.
Maybe, but they do have destructive power. Iceburg and Franky may have just "glanced" over the blueprints, but remember they're both trained shipwrights, reading blueprints is easier for them than reading a menue. One look was enough to terrify Iceburg and make Franky want to build it.
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In one piece , all the major players are not "bad guys" , they are just persons with their own point of view .
Yeah. Just like Hitler. Croc just wanted to make a 'Eutopia'. That's all.
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@Mr.:
I was thinking that he was either very impressionable, or raised from birth to work for the WG.
If that was true, don't you think he'd want revenge against the WG for taking over his whole life?
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If that was true, don't you think he'd want revenge against the WG for taking over his whole life?
No, because then he wouldn't know any better; what he was doing was right, from his point of view.
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well he is an agent for a "good" organization.
he even apologized for being harsh with iceburg at taking his pulse if i am correct.
well, he isnt a badass guy like lucci and is one of the more good "bad" guys if you know what i mean
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@Kaku.:
well he is an agent for a "good" organization.
he even apologized for being harsh with iceburg at taking his pulse if i am correct.
well, he isnt a badass guy like lucci and is one of the more good "bad" guys if you know what i meanDamn right. I hope he sees the light and realises the whole WG is corrupt soon, he's my fave CP9 member.
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No.
The WG is corrupt, evil and it inhibits your freedom.Nevertheless, that doesn't mean each Marine is automatically evil. Such a case is similar to WWII [or any war]; most soldiers do not know what happens outside of the front lines. For example, Captain T-Bone seemed like a very good person, despise working for the World Government. Kaku's case could be very similar.
Even Lucci claims to be fighting for the sakes of Justice. We do not know exactly what brews within his head, so it's hard to label him as good or evil.
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@Cyringohn:
Nevertheless, that doesn't mean each Marine is automatically evil. Such a case is similar to WWII [or any war]; most soldiers do not know what happens outside of the front lines. For example, Captain T-Bone seemed like a very good person, despise working for the World Government. Kaku's case could be very similar.
Even Lucci claims to be fighting for the sakes of Justice. We do not know exactly what brews within his head, so it's hard to label him as good or evil.
No it's not. This is more of this "the end justifies the means" bullcrap. No it doesn't. Killing innocent civilans is evil, however you try to pretty it up.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
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@Cyringohn:
Nevertheless, that doesn't mean each Marine is automatically evil. Such a case is similar to WWII [or any war]; most soldiers do not know what happens outside of the front lines. For example, Captain T-Bone seemed like a very good person, despise working for the World Government. Kaku's case could be very similar.
That's what I thought, that some marines would be like Kaku, just people following orders, just doing their job.
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Well we've been following the SH, Kaku only thinks he's doing the right thing. We've only been shown him and the other CP9 as bad guys. Even if the WG is pretty corrupt :D
But yeah, he's kind-hearted, and I'd love to see him have several cover arc storys that turn into fillers in the future ;) I'm gonna miss him heaps! (Maybe he'll join :ninja: )
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Well, really, when Robin was FIRST introduced, did anyone expect her to join? Kaku COULD do the same thing, thought it's very unlikely.
Franky, unlike Vivi, has a bazillion abilities and is actually able to fight. Vivi's only abilities was peacock slasher (Failed both times used), and that really stupid "Erotic Hypno Dance".
Hell, when Robin first popped on the scene, we didn't even know what her power was. I'm betting most of you thought it was telekinesis. No one coulda guessed it was blooming body parts.
Kaku is like The Boss. He'll do what the government asks of him, but has his own reservations about it. I'm sure he'll turn up later. Not as a strawhat, but maybe as an ally near the end.
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No. No! NO! The WG IS NOTcorrupted itself…. Like some have said the 5 old man in the charge aren't evil. (Tough we have only seen what they look like, maybe 1 of them can be counted as "evil", aka a "bad" person. Or NOT.) They just want to protect the liberity and freedom of the "people". And to that the Marine's exsist.
When you start looking at the Marine's you see some corrup persons, for example we could say Crocodile, now there was a "bad" person. Cause he WANTED military power. and he was ready to go against WG's member, The Alabasta contry. tough WG isn't corrupted it DOES have its... how you put it... corrupted/evil persons. For another example Mihawk, he is one of the 7 warlords, like Crodolie was. He was truly hunting Kriegs troops as he was first time ran into. He had his on kind of justice, he wasn't BAD person. Then once Crocodile was captured and the WG had a meating with some of the Warlords, few that actualy arrived didn't all seem like Crocodile. like the Bear guy... He seemed like a decent guy. But enough with them.
Then the Marines. Lets take example on the top ones. The Buster Call guys, the Vise-Admirals, if they were that rank. they were summoned to Eines Lobby by Spamdam, who I personaly this is a much corrupted as a person can be. They just came to do their job there. (Not talking about Spamdam.) Their job is to completely anilate the target of buster call, am I not right about this? and if I now rememeber right, one of the Vise-Admirals SHOT one of his own crew cause he didn't want to do his job and bomb the another ship that Luffy and Lucci were fighting in. Is that an act of evil person, or just someone who wanted to do his job? Well I think it got WAY to oextreme at that point, but nvm about that.
Now that I have done that, I dont even rememebr waht I was aiming at... DANG IT! This si so typical of me...
EDIT: LOL, I just noticed how bad I type... And now I remember what I was Aiming at.
THE WG IS NOT EVIL NOR CORRUPTED! Only some persons with the rank of thiers have gotten the idea that they can do anything, and that they can decide waht IS good and what is BAD... Lucci I think jsut wants to kill, he said himself, he works only to see someone "evil" bleed.... Well not LITERALY! But still... Kaku on he other had, IS NOT EVIL NOR CORRUPTED! Oh and... Only one that might join SH is Franky! Cause Kaku will probably die in the building by the heavy fire of Buster Call... Or NOT... We gonna see that later...
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Interesting topic. Kaku isn't an evil person, he is just doing his job that is following the orders of the WG. Like Lucci the PP said before, he is just being loyal to the wrong people. I think he had no choice when he was asked to do those things in Water 7, either he has a twisted point of view or he was too envolved in CP9 to go back.
Like Robin in her Baroque Works years, only she joined them to achieve her goal while Kaku… Maybe there will have a story of his past later, showing what make him join the CP9. Probably a traumatic thing that happened in his life.
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Nicely said by Fire Fist Ace ^^
Well most of us know that Kaku's ranked the most popular OP 'villian' ever, so he's liked. I was so looking forward to him joining back on Water 7, I was so sure :S
I think the thing that got me most was when he just gave up his key to Zoro ><"" I really do hope he's alright
! (The ToJ has been reported to be destroyed right???)
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I mean, he did hand over his key without Zoro having to search him for it, and he respected Zoro's skill. My opinion is that he's just doing his job, and he's not really a bad guy.
The same thing can be said about Mr. 1. He was just doing his job. He even smiled after he realized he was defeated.
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The same thing can be said about Mr. 1. He was just doing his job. He even smiled after he realized he was defeated.
Ah, so both Mr.1 and Kaku are good guys. :blink:
Really, I think they're just doing the "honorable warrior" thing. Kaku by betraying the friends he developed in Water 7, even if it's his job…is kind of a dick. Just a little. Sure, he's not such a bad guy, but still a pretty bad guy.
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Yeah, you've gotta draw the line somewhere.
Ok yeah, he was just doing his job. So were the Nazis throwing human beings into ovens over their religion.
Whether he was doing his job or not doesn't matter if you're capable of seeing the world as more than just black and white. Smoker's doing his job too but he has a world-class bullshit detector. You can either choose to ignore reality and be a bastard, or you're just too stupid to realize the difference.
Kaku doesn't seem stupid.
Kaku is a fiendish backstabbing sonuvabitch.
But he knows when he's been beat and he's not an asshole. Does he have a chance for redemption? Yeah. But I'm sorry, handing over a key and being honorable (which has nothing to do with good or evil, it's just honor) doesn't give him a free pass.
I mean let's not forget, he and any other member of CP9 WOULD have killed any member of the crew if they had the chance on EL.
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No, because then he wouldn't know any better; what he was doing was right, from his point of view.
Touche, I think.
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Yeah. Just like Hitler. Croc just wanted to make a 'Eutopia'. That's all.
There's still a difference between going about business with good intentions and a messed moral compass, and deciding to be brutal and vindictive for its own sake.
That's what makes the difference between a believable villian and an exaggerated parody villian.
As for comparing Smoker and Kaku, as you said, Smoker can see through the WG's imagery. But how deep is the cloud of BS the WG is putting out?
They've had 800 years to blow the story of the Ancient Weapons out of proportion. It's likely that much of the population doesn't have any objective view of it, and that can create exactly the type of fear that would result in rationalizing immense crimes.
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He is pretty good. He did laugh when Zoro told him "he was fired".
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Like Robin in her Baroque Works years, only she joined them to achieve her goal while Kaku… Maybe there will have a story of his past later, showing what make him join the CP9. Probably a traumatic thing that happened in his life.
Males sense, but surely Kaku's noticed that the Straw Hats aren't truly evil. Sure, they nicked the gold from Skypiea, but they were allowed to do it (even if they weren't aware of it) and it's not like they've murdered anyone or destroyed an island.
Reading poneglyphs a crime? That's bull.Cause Kaku will probably die in the building by the heavy fire of Buster Call… Or NOT... We gonna see that later...
If he dies, that means my 'what Kaku did next' fanfic series is screwed. If he lives, there is a god, and his name is Oda.
Holy hole in a doughnut, Batman!
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There's still a difference between going about business with good intentions and a messed moral compass, and deciding to be brutal and vindictive for its own sake.
That's what makes the difference between a believable villian and an exaggerated parody villian..
Megelomaniacs are not exaggerate parody villians. Megelomaniacs are very, ver real. They're not common, but they're real.
