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It inspired me to keep going.
What goes over people's heads only makes you jokier.
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What goes over people's heads only makes you jokier.
That seems a bit extreme, being a joke because other people don't get it.
On the other hand, yay for being jokier! My learning is already bearing some fruit!
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Wow, I was not expecting my misunderstanding to be drawn out this far.
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I think all this learning is what got me in the first place.
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Drake: marine snitch or true pirate?
Caribou: who is his master? Blackbeard or someone else?
The sunny and the shark sub: why no one steals them if there is no kuma/octopus/handsome watching them?
The four emperors have been built up since after the end of water 7, with the reveal of whitebeard, shanks being undoubtedly awesome in combat, Lola and moria who lost against kaido and stole from wano a samurai and a treasure. What other thread from back then migth point to big mom?
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Caribou: who is his master? Blackbeard or someone else?
Do you know where exactly Caribou said that? I'm not doubting you, it's just that I can barely remember early post-timeskip pages. And after a while, I sort of assumed that people paired up Caribou with Teach just because of how greedy and homicidal they are. But if he explicitly mentioned that he has a master, then that's a big and can't be overlooked.
Maybe Bonney. The pink hair (like Lola at the time, even though it's unlikely for all of the Charlotte children to have pink hair since we saw Pudding), cake ship, powers coincidentally also being time/life-related, having a gluttonous personality unlike every other female character we've seen, being highly valued by the World Government, and crying over Whitebeard for some reason.
I bet Big Mom towed the Sunny away somewhere though since it was docked right at the shore of the Seducing Woods, where the trap for the Straw Hats was set. And I don't even know what Drake being a true pirate even adds to the story that Usopp already doesn't, especially since he actually hated his dad. The juxtaposition with Law's flashback and Rosinante being a Marine double agent, and the stigma that people are shown to have towards children based on their lineage makes Drake's actions of supposedly following in his father's footsteps a brilliant facade. And Drake and Law both briefly talked on Sabaody, so they can share something in similar interest.
But just to add on, I highly doubt Kuzan's a Marine double agent. He just seems to be following his own ethical code. He detests Sakazuki way too much on an ethical level to have an "I was working with the Marines all along" reveal feel tastefully in-character. Might be working for the Revolutionaries though, or at least eventually joins.
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How far back does the hat go?
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Do you know where exactly Caribou said that? I'm not doubting you, it's just that I can barely remember early post-timeskip pages. And after a while, I sort of assumed that people paired up Caribou with Teach just because of how greedy and homicidal they are. But if he explicitly mentioned that he has a master, then that's a big and can't be overlooked.
Caribou was last seen on his cover story being dragged away by X Drake, when he discovered an island where weapons were being manufactured. The island was also claimed as Kaido's favourite island by the cyborg looking guy named Scotch.
My only assumption is that it's possible Caribou is being brought to Kaido and he will be so terrified for his life that he will disclose that Shirahoshi is an ancient weapon in order to save himself.
As far as having a master, I doubt it, we met him in Paradise and he was cocky Logia rookie who thought he was invincible, if he was linked to more fierce pirates I think he would be more knowledgeable that he could be defeated by Haki users.
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Caribou was last seen on his cover story being dragged away by X Drake, when he discovered an island where weapons were being manufactured. The island was also claimed as Kaido's favourite island by the cyborg looking guy named Scotch.
My only assumption is that it's possible Caribou is being brought to Kaido and he will be so terrified for his life that he will disclose that Shirahoshi is an ancient weapon in order to save himself.
As far as having a master, I doubt it, we met him in Paradise and he was cocky Logia rookie who thought he was invincible, if he was linked to more fierce pirates I think he would be more knowledgeable that he could be defeated by Haki users.
I knew all of that already. But that's not what I was referring to. What I was commenting on is how people claim that Caribou has a master or some type of important figure since I've seen various people refer to that being a big hint of foreshadowing. And after going through a few chapters, I think I actually found who they were referring to.
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Maybe the "master" bit is inaccurate because of translation issues or something, but Caribou's mention of wanting to make a deal with a "certain someone" is VERY suspicious. And while it is likely for Caribou to spill the beans on Shirahoshi's identity as Poseidon to Kaido, I doubt that the "certain someone" is Kaido since he only got roped into showing up on his island and defeated/presumably taken to Kaido by X Drake in the first place due to cover story shenanigans. Having that "certain someone" just happen to be Kaido would be way too big of a coincidence.
So when it comes to the other big players left in the New World who would make a deal with someone like Caribou, Blackbeard is the only choice that makes sense. Big Mom would probably be interested, but everything regarding her protection of Fishman Island will most likely conclude with this arc with how ready Jimbei seems to join the Straw Hats. Shanks is too honorable to make any type of deal like that, especially with someone as evil as Caribou. None of the Warlords that are still narratively relevant make sense (for example, Doflamingo could work as a candidate. But it would be completely redundant narratively since he's been taken down already and likely won't come back into the story until the Final War). And it's very unlikely for a pirate like Caribou to think that he can make a deal with the Marines or Revolutionaries. So Teach is the only option, and somebody cunning and homicidal like Caribou would fit right in as an ally of the Blackbeard Pirates. Especially since they have been gaining power since the timeskip by hunting down Devil Fruit users and amassing countless weapons.
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Nice catch. I completely forgot of his mention of a "certain someone". Only makes sense that he was seeking the favour of Blackbeard.
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Nice catch. I completely forgot of his mention of a "certain someone". Only makes sense that he was seeking the favour of Blackbeard.
Also, keep in mind that we didn't know Bellamy was allied with Doflamingo until after Skypiea. So we shouldn't be too presumptuous about overconfident rookies having major connections. Especially since Lola turned out to be one of Big Mom's daughters and Shanks recruited a scrub like Rockstar who had a bounty of over 90,000,000 Beli pre-timeskip.
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So would it be fair to say that we're not going to find out what Big Mom's bounty is? I think that will be saved until during or after Wano Country since I think Oda would probably prefer to save introducing Kaido's first to make him all the more intimidating when's fought. Especially since Luffy can barely stand up to the level of Sweet Generals this arc.
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Are Kuma's bear ears part of his hat or do they come out of his head?
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I'd like if they revealed all the emperors bounties at the same time. Either for them, and roger and dragon, their bounties should be something beyond money, like "a favor", from the world government. Anything and everything.
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I'd like if they revealed all the emperors bounties at the same time. Either for them, and roger and dragon, their bounties should be something beyond money, like "a favor", from the world government. Anything and everything.
I'd bet that Kaido's poster says "Only Dead", given the Marines' previous massive failures in executing him
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I'd bet that Kaido's poster says "Only Dead", given the Marines' previous massive failures in executing him
That sounds so cheesy. To the point that I love it.
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I'd bet that Kaido's poster says "Only Dead", given the Marines' previous massive failures in executing him
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Becoming admiral?
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what is the reward tho
Becoming admiral?
There is no way they let someone that strong run looseSomeone could easily leverage their way into the Shichibukai a la Blackbeard?
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Sending two or more Shichibukai on a mission would be an absolute disaster, since they don't get along.
Yeah. So what? No one talked about sending two shichibukais on a mission recently.
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Someone could easily leverage their way into the Shichibukai a la Blackbeard?
I would honestly feel bad for anybody who went that far just to be a Warlord. Teach got by with just a Division Commander, Buggy bragged about coincidentally being an apprentice on Roger's ship, and Law sent a hundred random pirate hearts (for all we know, he could have either ambushed random pirates near Reverse Mountain or picked on poor schmucks in North Blue). Crocodile even got away with having a bounty less than 100,000,000 beli before getting it frozen. But taking down somebody like Kaido who is said to be the Strongest Creature in the World in exchange for becoming a Warlord? That is literally the definition of chump change. XD Anybody who accomplishes that should be given an Admiral position if anything lol (I'm not being serious with this, although they should deserve a position like that).
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what is the reward tho
Becoming admiral?
There is no way they let someone that strong run looseOffered the throne of a small kingdom, perhaps?
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A bunch of people in the past has brought in Kaido.
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what is the reward tho
Becoming admiral?
There is no way they let someone that strong run looseGreen Bull and Fujitora were outside of the system 2 years ago. And they are fine leaving Rayleigh alone. As long as the strong dude isn't out for them they probably would leave him alone rather than lose plenty ressources.
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I would honestly feel bad for anybody who went that far just to be a Warlord. Teach got by with just a Division Commander, Buggy bragged about coincidentally being an apprentice on Roger's ship, and Law sent a hundred random pirate hearts (for all we know, he could have either ambushed random pirates near Reverse Mountain or picked on poor schmucks in North Blue). Crocodile even got away with having a bounty less than 100,000,000 beli before getting it frozen. But taking down somebody like Kaido who is said to be the Strongest Creature in the World in exchange for becoming a Warlord? That is literally the definition of chump change. XD Anybody who accomplishes that should be given an Admiral position if anything lol (I'm not being serious with this, although they should deserve a position like that).
I know it would be overkill, I'm just theorising what additional rewards could come of taking down an emperor.
I doubt they would automatically give away an admiral position just like that.
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I know it would be overkill, I'm just theorising what additional rewards could come of taking down an emperor.
I doubt they would automatically give away an admiral position just like that.
That's why I said I wasn't being serious about the Admiral remark. It was just a hyperbole.
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I was speculating what would be Dracule Mihawk's role in the overall story, other than having served as Zoro's mentor (which I still don't understand why he did it).
Does anyone have any idea of what it might be or his motivations?
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I was speculating what would be Dracule Mihawk's role in the overall story, other than having served as Zoro's mentor (which I still don't understand why he did it).
Does anyone have any idea of what it might be or his motivations?
It seems that he doesn't care about the world government or have any kind of affiliation. Sometimes it seems he's just a recluse who drinks wine all day.Getting defeated by Shiryu to steal his title for Zoro's final fight is a popular consensus. But when it comes to everything else… Yeah, he doesn't really do much. There might be a Shanks/Red Hair Pirates flashback that showcases Mihawk's rivalry with Shanks in their youth. And both Mihawk and the Red Hair Pirates might show up to meet the Straw Hats before they get obliterated by the Blackbeard Pirates to hype them up as the final threat.
But otherwise? He just exists. His narrative absence fits his absence of personality lol.
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I was speculating what would be Dracule Mihawk's role in the overall story, other than having served as Zoro's mentor (which I still don't understand why he did it).
Does anyone have any idea of what it might be or his motivations?
It seems that he doesn't care about the world government or have any kind of affiliation. Sometimes it seems he's just a recluse who drinks wine all day.Other than being Zoro's teacher and soon meeting a red colored fate by the hands of the BB Pirates, I don't think there's any motive for Mihawk. He just sits there, menacingly with his hawk eyes.
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Other than being Zoro's teacher and soon meeting a red colored fate by the hands of the BB Pirates, I don't think there's any motive for Mihawk. He just sits there, menacingly with his hawk eyes.
Some say that his hawk eyes are so mysteriously unique due to being capable of foresight. His perpetually unexpressive countenance is the result of his demise's imagery flashing before his eyes, haunting him in every blink. Blades may make you bleed, but nothing scars deeper than knowing you'll lose your world-renowned prestige because you can't cut shiny rocks.
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The guy peaked at an early age and barely has a challenge any more. Anything he does is to cure boredom.
He's leading an empty life because of it. And the reason he trained Zoro should be pretty evident. He wants a challenge. He believes Zoro is going to be the one to give it.
As a character who is just there, without having his own goals and who doesn't have a huge effect on events around him, it's no surprise some unimaginative people see his as a victim of diamond fruit empowered shit bag like Shiryuu.
Always thought he'd still be a goal for Zoro, even after Raftel and all that stuff. We might not even get to see how the fight is resolved. Sure, he might just as well fall to Shiryuu, but wouldn't that be a waste. Shiryuu has to be one of the most unimaginative characters created by Oda. Freaking M. Bison with a katana. "I'm, like, superbad, which is why I live on government payroll and abuse defenseless criminals. And when I say "abuse" I mean "kill". Huehuehuehue." - Not sure if we heard his laughter in manga, but this is what I think it should be.
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How do the fruits of law, bartolomeo,kuma work if they fight?
Can law cut barto's barriers? Can kuma deflect law's slashes or he will just cut his paws? if they are in his room…
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The guy peaked at an early age and barely has a challenge any more. Anything he does is to cure boredom.
He's leading an empty life because of it. And the reason he trained Zoro should be pretty evident. He wants a challenge. He believes Zoro is going to be the one to give it.
As a character who is just there, without having his own goals and who doesn't have a huge effect on events around him, it's no surprise some unimaginative people see his as a victim of diamond fruit empowered shit bag like Shiryuu.
Always thought he'd still be a goal for Zoro, even after Raftel and all that stuff. We might not even get to see how the fight is resolved. Sure, he might just as well fall to Shiryuu, but wouldn't that be a waste. Shiryuu has to be one of the most unimaginative characters created by Oda. Freaking M. Bison with a katana. "I'm, like, superbad, which is why I live on government payroll and abuse defenseless criminals. And when I say "abuse" I mean "kill". Huehuehuehue." - Not sure if we heard his laughter in manga, but this is what I think it should be.
I'd label the people who think that Zoro fighting Mihawk is going to happen just those characters promised each other as the unimaginitive ones despite any openminded narrative analyses saying otherwise, personally.
It's not like I think Shiryu is that cool of a character. It's moreso that I think it is the only way to make Zoro's final fight both as emotionally amped up as it should be in terms of recent build-up aside from just fulfilling a promise several years ago, and organically tying it into One Piece's plot than just having it take an abrupt detour or conjuring a random coincidence out of the blue. It's not about thinking that honoring Zoro's vow to fight Mihawk is a waste in and of itself. What I would find to be a TRUE waste is for Zoro's final on-panel fight and fulfillment of his dream in the series to somehow not be the most suspensefully awe-inspiring battlebthst a character with a battle-oriented dream like Zoro deserves to have. Cutting corners and making compromises that sell out either of those moments of the type of engrossing execution they deserve is not doing them justice. It's just disparaging at the end of the day both narratively and in terms of character development. It's not just a matter of could it happen, but should it happen.
Although I won't lie. I also want the Blackbeard Pirates to troll the Straw Hats as much as they possibly just because it's that damn priceless to me. You criticize Shiryu because of he's such an underdeveloped, edgy, smugass villain, and while you're completely right (at least so far, he should be given more of a chance since we have at least a decade left in the series for him to strut more of his stuff), somebody like that "soilingbthe honor" of Zoro and.Mihawk's rivalry is too hilarious to not want to see. If Mihawk actually felt like a three-dimensional character (even calling him two-dimensional feels like a stretch sometimes) or if we even knee ANYTHING specific about his past besides his initial rivalry with Shanks that made his relationship with Zoro more intricate than just an average title bout/mentor and student relationship, THEN it would feel like a waste. And it's not like we can't see a full fight between Mihawk and Shiryu to see the former's true capabilities, as well as maybe a brief scuffle between Zoro and Mihawk if the Straw Hats and Red Hair Pirates meet before the latter's demise.
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Common guys, now we are going at imaginative limitations? Both sides arguing about the themes and narrative impacts just with two different scenarios. Where we start limiting the imagination is when we cement either our beliefs and predictions to just the two outcomes. Personally, I like making predictions, from somewhat serious to all the way stupid, just because I want to see how I am proved wrong. I fear the day for any creative mind to succumb to merely piecing things together in an outline. We could very easily have both. Mixing all scenarios, does it lose it impact by doing so? Zoro and Mihawk could be fighting after Raftel. I imagine Raftel the only place where the crew does not face anything but the history and their decisions moving forward. It also contrasts well that someone like Teach would potentially get One Piece by never reaching Raftel. I mean, people predict that he will steal from Luffy, why does it have to be in Raftel?
[fanfic][hide]The many ways I can see the end go, I imagine Robin video broadcasting to the entire World the Void Century. However this would not be from Raftel. I imagine after Raftel, the Strawhats will return to a previous location: I'll just say it being Fishman Island to add fuego to salsa. It would have a lot of weight to broadcast the lost history from the island that has suffered so much discrimination. Also by doing so, the prophecy of FI getting destroyed could happen from the SH destroying the Island as a message ("enough with oppression, etc, etc) OR by Blackbeard heading there. With a tiny chance that Caribou is going to relay the information on Poseidon to Blackbeard, I do not need to elaborate more on this though.
From there, "the Red Hair massacre" can happen, Blackbeard steals One Piece, we put Mihawk there fighting with Zoro, and when their battle is reaching a conclusion Shy-bum's underhanded tactics can show up and stab him in the back. The victor of the battle could have already been ~predicted~ by the fans, but we were REALLY ROBBED. Also with this, if Shy-bum gets the diamond fruit, then the question for the readers would be, "was Mihawk ever able to cut diamonds?". Don't get me wrong, maybe Mihawk fights a bit and gives the ex-jailer a nasty scar. It is hard to see Dracule as the greatest if the previous question is clear cut: "No."
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Common guys, now we are going at imaginative limitations? Both sides arguing about the themes and narrative impacts just with two different scenarios. Where we start limiting the imagination is when we cement either our beliefs and predictions to just the two outcomes. Personally, I like making predictions, from somewhat serious to all the way stupid, just because I want to see how I am proved wrong. I fear the day for any creative mind to succumb to merely piecing things together in an outline. We could very easily have both. Mixing all scenarios, does it lose it impact by doing so? Zoro and Mihawk could be fighting after Raftel.
I apologize for insultingly generalizing like that. That wasn't fair, useful, or essential to have in my reply at all. I hope that immature statement didn't offend you, Razh, or anyone else, and I should hold myself to a higher caliber than that in respect to how we're just discussing a freaking comic book lol. Provocation for the ignorant sake of it is never going to help regardless of who's right or wrong.
I also like to see how I can be proved wrong. I don't want to get into arguments just to prove myself right for the sake of it or shove my opinion down someone's throat for a trivial sense of superiority lol. But the thing is that, well, I don't see how I can be proven wrong on this subject right now. As pretentious as that sounds. Not as much on the specific POSSIBILITY of if, say, Zoro can fight Mihawk all-out somewhere like Elbaf. That is legitimately possible if the Straw Hats and Red Hair Pirates meet up at that point. But making analyses on stories isn't JUST about trying to predict what is going to happen in the future. But it's about trying to understand WHY the author is establishing and developing these plot threads qualitatively. What the event's purpose is in relation to the development of the characters involved and the narrative around them.
And when it comes to understanding that, it's perfectly natural that you're going to support the possibility that brings the most satisfying payoff to the story in terms of storytelling quality. Of course, there isn't always one option for accomplishing that. It's always fun where there are multiple paths that bring around the same level of narrative fulfillment, especially if they have their own unique depth in defining the characters and themes involved. Unfortunately, I don't see the plotline of Zoro's ascension to becoming the World's Strongest Swordsman being one of those cases. I really see only one clear barebones outline that is superior when it comes to profound build-up, character interaction, suspense, stakes, characterization/thematic consistency, and synergy with the scope of the rest of the narrative. It's not because I purposefully make myself close-minded for ignorant gratification, but because that is the interpretive result I always get when I review the possibilities from any and every angle I can possibly conceive and gain from the feedback of others. And it doesn't help at all that I never see even one objective flaw pointed out about the theory I side with literally or figuratively. You say that we can have both, but that's exactly my issue. I don't think the story can live up to its full potential if it has both fights (unless Mihawk is fought by Zoro in the epilogue after Shiryu is the final main story opponent as the World's Strongest Swordsman, that's cool). Quantity does not equal quality, and having less can ironically provide more on a meaningful level.
That doesn't mean it's impossible for the author to blindside me with an outcome that is just as good or even better, there's no reason to ever reject that. And if that is executed in making a theory I dismissed earlier become impressive, I will happily admit being wrong. I'm used to often being incorrect and what matters most is getting a great story. That's why we have discussions like this in the first place. But until then, I'm going to call it like I see it and attempt to adapt any new relevant information around any possible theories. Which will end with me siding with the best one(s). I'm never going to tell other people to never support Mihawk being Zoro's final non-epilogue opponent or him being defeated by Zoro before, because there are understandable compelling reasons behind those events occurring even if I don't think they're as good as the diamond Shiryu twist. Nobody gains anything if we don't at least try to hear each other out and produce constructive praise/criticism, and being rude for the sake of it isn't going to do any favors in making people want to listen to you even if you're effectively persuasive.
But c'mon. It's okay to have standards when it comes to what we expect from stories, especially one that has enamored us to be such dedicated geeks like with One Piece. Pretending to think that every single theory is on the same level of credibility or deserves to take up discussion time just because it hasn't been unconfirmed, as if we can't pick them apart and see how utterly dull and disappointing they would be, just isn't worth it. We should promote discussion that is actually valuable and lives up to what makes the story appealing if it has been appealing to us thus far. We can consider disappointing outcomes, of course, but we don't need to fixate on them if there's a reason to have confidence the author. That's nothing too complex, and it's a major reason why I go on forums besides getting to know like-minded people. So we can proficiently delve into why we like the story so much, what we find to be flawed, and ascertain how we think the rest of the story should go with knowledge we currently have. By striving to understand all of that as much as we can, that is one way of how we can appreciate such a story the most. That type of thought process is the least we owe ourselves and this story if it's truly made an impression our minds, emotions, or even our overall lives. When we doubt for the sake of doubting or acclaim for the sake of acclaiming, THEN that's when we do both others and ourselves a disservice.
I imagine Raftel the only place where the crew does not face anything but the history and their decisions moving forward. It also contrasts well that someone like Teach would potentially get One Piece by never reaching Raftel. I mean, people predict that he will steal from Luffy, why does it have to be in Raftel?
I actually agree that Raftel should be more about the Straw Hats being there and coming to terms with how far they've come and what they may do henceforth. But only up to the moment that they get to the One Piece and fully piece the Void Century together. Everything up to that point is going to be very impactful, but something really bothers me about the Straw Hats just walking out of there after the One Piece is obtained without any issues. If the story ended there, it would work. But it just feels so… flat for them to just leave knowing that we're going to have the hugest arc/saga after that. Because where exactly do they go after that? What incentive do they have? We always get a clear idea of that after every arc whether it's just generically getting to the end of the Grand Line or connecting to a built-up island where events and supporting characters/antagonist factions pour into each other. But we have no reason to expect that sort of thing after coming to their supposed final destination like Raftel unless something significant happens right when they're about to walk out or start to sail off. I doubt something like them getting a News Coo to deliver them a newspaper about the Red Hair Pirates' demise and/or the Blackbeard Pirates gaining an Ancient Weapon is going to suffice. That's why it makes sense for someone like the Blackbeard Pirates to be here. To provide organic connective tissue that leads into the remainder of the story while keeping the hype going after something as major as the One Piece being found. The Straw Hats don't pay attention to news at all, and, as far as we know, nobody else should be around the area where Raftel is. I'm sorry if that sounds sketchy, but I'm just being honest how I would feel if nothing else happened after One Piece gets found. Unless you want to suggest that some of the Straw Hats split up like Zoro leaving to fight Mihawk, but even that feels too awkward and unorthodox for One Piece's narrative structure. Especially when it comes to explaining how the crew gets back together. It's not impossible, but eh...
[fanfic][hide]The many ways I can see the end go, I imagine Robin video broadcasting to the entire World the Void Century. However this would not be from Raftel. I imagine after Raftel, the Strawhats will return to a previous location: I'll just say it being Fishman Island to add fuego to salsa. It would have a lot of weight to broadcast the lost history from the island that has suffered so much discrimination. Also by doing so, the prophecy of FI getting destroyed could happen from the SH destroying the Island as a message ("enough with oppression, etc, etc) OR by Blackbeard heading there. With a tiny chance that Caribou is going to relay the information on Poseidon to Blackbeard, I do not need to elaborate more on this though.
From there, "the Red Hair massacre" can happen, Blackbeard steals One Piece, we put Mihawk there fighting with Zoro, and when their battle is reaching a conclusion Shy-bum's underhanded tactics can show up and stab him in the back. The victor of the battle could have already been ~predicted~ by the fans, but we were REALLY ROBBED. Also with this, if Shy-bum gets the diamond fruit, then the question for the readers would be, "was Mihawk ever able to cut diamonds?". Don't get me wrong, maybe Mihawk fights a bit and gives the ex-jailer a nasty scar. It is hard to see Dracule as the greatest if the previous question is clear cut: "No."
[/hide][/fanfic]In response to the scenario you propose, I don't know. While I can see Robin being the type to want to make the info about the Void Century public, I can't find myself convinced that Fishman Island makes sense for such a spot to occur. Yes, it's a source of discrimination. But the Straw Hats aren't heroes like that for the sake of it, unless maybe Jimbei really pushes for them to do something like this for some reason. This is something more akin to what the Revolutionaries would do (and yes, I know the irony in that statement since Robin was with them over the timeskip). And they already know about Fishman Island's mistreatment. Knowing that more messed up stuff happened in the past doesn't strike me as enough to compel the Straw Hats to act in making a public statement for its independence like that. Destroying Fishman Island at that point does not send any message, it just releases the Fishmen into a world that hates them. Such a thing can only work if the Fishmen become more accepted by the world and make progress at the Reverie, but are still too attached to their homes to risk fully leaving or something like that. Blackbeard kickstarting the destruction on the other hand in a way that leaves the island having no choice but to escape can work though.
And the thing about Blackbeard stealing One Piece is that, yeah, it can happen somewhere else besides Raftel. But can it have as much impact and surprise if it doesn't happen right when the Straw Hat Pirates find the One Piece? Also, what would or could the Straw Hats even do with the One Piece on their own, at least before the Final War starts? It's too early to say since we don't know what it is, but it's still a bit weird. Not to mention Luffy becoming Pirate King for a brief while, then Teach, and finally back to Luffy rather than the simpler route of Teach doing it first and then Luffy for good. Also, Teach likes researching history. So while he can get a lot from whatever Robin says, I think he would benefit from seeing Raftel himself.
I wouldn't be a fan of the Zoro/Mihawk duel being cut short like that, even if it's obvious that Zoro is going to win. There's no reason why Shiryu would go off to kill Mihawk if he isn't coincidentally with the Red Hair Pirates, and it would not be satisfying to not get a clear answer on where Mihawk specifically ranks against either Zoro or Shiryu. if he lost against Shiryu and Zoro were to beat Shiryu, then we get a clear answer. And I don't see why Mihawk failing to cut diamond doesn't make him the World's Strongest Swordsman. That title doesn't have to be equivalent to being able to cut literally anything. It just means nobody else has proven themselves to be on Mihawk's level. Zoro cutting diamond would undeniably prove he surpassed both Shiryu and Mihawk.
But even then, I just want to see the limits of Oda's imagination, to potentially deliver this entire debate in a fourth way we are not even considering.
I'm always game for that.
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Since this is the 'questions' thread imma ask something, does anyone knows the chapter in the manga during the Marineford arc where Hancock and Sentoumaru had a small encounter, they didn't fight, just said something like; watcha doing destroying the pacifist gal?? and Boa all like; love's a hurricane bruh, or something like that, I been looking for it for hours and going chapter by chapter is painful to my patience, I'd appreciate if someone remembers that particular chapter, thanks.
@Kaido:
It is in Chapter 570
thanks, don't whant do to double post so just editing this one, dam, it's the same chap where Daz and Croco-boy went to help Luffy from Mihawk, how could I forgotten 'bout that.
thanks a lot buddy!!
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Since this is the 'questions' thread imma ask something, does anyone knows the chapter in the manga during the Marineford arc where Hancock and Sentoumaru had a small encounter, they didn't fight, just said something like; watcha doing destroying the pacifist gal?? and Boa all like; love's a hurricane bruh, or something like that, I been looking for it for hours and going chapter by chapter is painful to my patience, I'd appreciate if someone remembers that particular chapter, thanks.
It is in Chapter 570
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@Count:
I'd label the people who think that Zoro fighting Mihawk is going to happen just those characters promised each other as the unimaginitive ones despite any openminded narrative analyses saying otherwise, personally.
Ah, that was a friendly jab if anything. Put that smile just so there's no confusion. Thrash talking to your friends is one of the things I really enjoy doing.
Sorry for not replying sooner, I was quite busy the last 2 days. And still am!
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Ah, that was a friendly jab if anything. Put that smile just so there's no confusion. Thrash talking to your friends is one of the things I really enjoy doing.
Sorry for not replying sooner, I was quite busy the last 2 days. And still am!
I also like to engage in friendly trash talk lol. I didn't even mean what I said as a legitimate insult than a witty retort, but Tamiel's response somehow guilt tripped me into thinking this was a bit more serious that I thought. That, and spending the past week typing up convoluted replies supporting a diamond-empowered Shiryu defeating Mihawk in the Theories thread didn't help my heightened debate spirit. It need to grow thicker skin lol.
It's cool. Life happens. I hope it's not anything stressful and more free time is available soon.
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^Are you saying I trigger ON?!
So after you guys finish hugging it out, I can't really get offended about these topics. I haven't really made research or found deep connections from other obscure sources to really get invested on it. It's too complicated for my understanding. I was just finding it boring to go that way. I agree that some analysis will be better than others. I wasn't even implying All theories are valid! What do you know about probabilities?! I disagree with the combo healing deal for Totland, but I still comment of how or why it could happen.
To make it short, could Oda make an impactful moment come about of having either scenario or both happen, how would he build it up? Or maybe he cannot, either way:
Question:
Can Marco, really die?
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@Tamiel:
Question:
Can Marco, really die?
Sure. Just toss him into the sea.
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But if you drag the body out, would he revive?
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@Tamiel:
But if you drag the body out, would he revive?
Only if it;s before he drowns to death. Fiction typically has dead people being impossible to revive through healing or the like if they already died. Even if they can heal all the physical wounds on their body post-mortem.
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@Tamiel:
^Are you saying I trigger ON?!
So after you guys finish hugging it out, I can't really get offended about these topics. I haven't really made research or found deep connections from other obscure sources to really get invested on it. It's too complicated for my understanding. I was just finding it boring to go that way. I agree that some analysis will be better than others. I wasn't even implying All theories are valid! What do you know about probabilities?! I disagree with the combo healing deal for Totland, but I still comment of how or why it could happen.
To make it short, could Oda make an impactful moment come about of having either scenario or both happen, how would he build it up? Or maybe he cannot, either way:
Question:
Can Marco, really die?
in the sbs oda clearly stated that his regenerative powers have limits
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Yeah I haven't read most of the SBS, thanks for that.
I guess it will be less likely for Marco to pop up from whomever ends up having his fruit.
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I'd think the phoenix df would leave his body at the moment of his death.
And yeah, still kinda busy. Haven't even had the chance to read the new chapter, lol.
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