Isn't Ousen the defense/fortress general? I'm guessing it's him.
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I would put my queen of the Mountain, Yontawa-sama as commander. Though seeing an Ou family relationship would be nice too.
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Yeah, what good is the alliance with mountain tribe if they only use them as a last resort? They will desperately need guerilla tactics if they want to make something like this work.
I suppose we could rule out Moubu. Kanki could make sense because of his cruel tactics that tend to produce results with little expense in manpower. However, Zhao soldiers might be overzealous in trying to take him down, considering his track record. That's one of the downsides of his tactics, I guess. Your enemies get super motivated to kill you off for good.
Ousen would make sense because he's good at fortifying, like Nectar said. Plus it's been a while since he's done anything.
Tou maybe, but like Myu said, he lacks weight. I could see him there to gauge Shin's growth and compare him to Ouki or whatnot. This should be a turning point for Shin. If he doesn't do something spectacular in this campaign, then when?
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Spoiler images are out on spoiler.net. They reveal who will be leading this invasion and it's beyond everything we imagined.
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Seems like overkill.
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Seems like overkill.
Seems fitting in my opinion. Especially when you think about specialties.
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! I didn't even consider Yotanwa. Rather I forgot about her. But if she was on my mind I'd definitely include her too for one of the candidates.
! 3 generals being appointed is actually something we should have considered. Because one or two of them will die. I think it's safe to assume Kanki is dead next arc. Especially after Riboku stated he knows Kanki's weakness from now on. Ousen was meant to appear anyway, this arc really needed him and there he is. Kanki makes sense after Riboku set eyes on him. And I forgot about Yotanwa but the whole mountain being there screams for her. I say we have a good setup for the next arc.It's really nice that Kingdom still makes me want to read more.
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@Myu:
! I didn't even consider Yotanwa. Rather I forgot about her. But if she was on my mind I'd definitely include her too for one of the candidates.
! 3 generals being appointed is actually something we should have considered. Because one or two of them will die. I think it's safe to assume Kanki is dead next arc. Especially after Riboku stated he knows Kanki's weakness from now on. Ousen was meant to appear anyway, this arc really needed him and there he is. Kanki makes sense after Riboku set eyes on him. And I forgot about Yotanwa but the whole mountain being there screams for her. I say we have a good setup for the next arc.It's really nice that Kingdom still makes me want to read more.
! We need to wait for the full chapter,it is confusing.If Shouheikun's plan is to use three generals,why bring the young trio specially?He could have as well attached them to respective armies.
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Seems like Kingdom going to have two weeks break.
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That was my fourth guess!
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16 chars of why?
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Makes complete sense, the attack is meant to be in two parts: a distraction from a force on the western borders, while another is to sneak in. I imagine that Kanki will be left at those hills, where he will lose, on the other hand, Ousen and Yontawa lead the other force. Ousen is there to make sure the city they are breaking into doesn't fall. Maybe Yontawa has to make sure that the lines of supply are not cut off. Just throwing ideas.
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I think they need as much firepower as possible for a Zhao campaign. This is a pretty solid grouping. Mountain tribe + Kanki army is pretty crazy
Ousen addition is to counteract the unruly nature of the Yotanwa and Kanki armies. Ousen from what I remember is pretty level headed and is a great fortifier, and they're going to want to keep whatever they conquer.
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Like Tamriel said, looks pretty straightforward: Kanki and Yotanwa for the direct attack on the mountain defense lines, whose warfare they should be familiar with.
Ousen uses the distraction to launch the main attack on Gyou.
The three 5k-units are the independent reserveSeems like overkill.
16 chars of why?
Why, what? So many troops, generals, or Ousen as supreme commander?
For Ousen: You need someone with deep strategical insight who can match wits with Riboku, so Ousen is the best choice among their generals.
For storyreasons: We need to learn more about him and his army/subcommanders.So many troops/overkill: You have to realize, that -leaving all historical spoilers aside- this could be the most important and decesive battle of the whole Unification Wars.
You only have as serious obstacles Zhao and Chu. And the campaign to bring down the first of them should be the most dangerous, because afterwards you really can concentrate your ressources on one single enemy. Hell, if one of the two goes down, maybe smaller states like Wei and Han will even surrender voluntarily if they see no chance to resist an invasion by their own.And this battle is the one, that will herald the end of Zhao, if fully successfull.
(1) it annuls their major natural defenses, the Tai Mountains in the west and the Yellow River in the south
(2) it brings the Qin directly opposite the Zhao capital with no natural defenses inbetween
(3) because naturally Zhao will throw everything they have to prevent Gyou from falling, the battle might very well -if it goes well- neutralize the greater part of the Zhao military strenght or maybe even cost them their best commanders and troops.
For all we know, a largescale Qin victory could mean, that they directly move on against Kantan and bring down the whole Zhao State.Thats why they concentrate so many soldiers and generals. I'm sure, they probably had even considered bringing Mobou (he should be great to break through heavily defended lines), but then again they really need him down south to hold the Chu calm.
.If Shouheikun's plan is to use three generals,why bring the young trio specially?He could have as well attached them to respective armies.
They explained that the chapter before: They are deadly afraid that Riboku has some hidden trump cards to throw at them at the most inappropiate of times. So they not only need a large reserve to deal with anythig unexpected happening, but also one who can act fast and independendly on their own, with commanders that already have proven their worth.
Thats why they have the three 5,000 Man Units, who were especially groomed for a job like that (If anything goes well, none of them should theoretically see any action) -
can we all agree that Ousen has the most pimping helmet of all time?
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Seems like Kingdom going to have two weeks break.
Where does it say that? Are you sure?
can we all agree that Ousen has the most pimping helmet of all time?
Dunno about that, but he looks hella awesome.
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I'm expecting something awesome from Ousen. After all he has the same family name as Ou Ki, plus he is the direct family..
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Moubu is still stationed at the borders of Chu?
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Moubu is still stationed at the borders of Chu?
We dont know, but I'm pretty sure the last time we saw him he was there.
He is also the only good Qin General left (Tou alone is probably not enough) and he absolutely loves killing Chu guys; so its a pretty safe bet. -
Thanks man! Off to reading now!
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Nice chapter. Ousen probably has martial strength too. I just don't see him only as a strategical general. Especially ater we have someone like OuKi from the same family.
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Wonder what the request was.
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After this war, Shin will request the shield, and be promoted to general, Ouki's glave will taste the sweet head of Houken by the end, as Riboku foolishly sends him to stop Shin because "all according to keikaku moments" Great chapter. Especially what it means for Sei to hear Shin is finally able to hold that glaive.
All the original members of the unit have gotten a +10 boost with what they have witnesed. It will be sweet when Ousen sees the blade of Ou ki is still in the battlefield.
Tou's reaction would be nice to see.
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@Tamiel:
After this war, Shin will request the shield, and be promoted to general, Ouki's glave will taste the sweet head of Houken by the end, as Riboku foolishly sends him to stop Shin because "all according to keikaku moments" Great chapter. Especially what it means for Sei to hear Shin is finally able to hold that glaive.
All the original members of the unit have gotten a +10 boost with what they have witnesed. It will be sweet when Ousen sees the blade of Ou ki is still in the battlefield.
Tou's reaction would be nice to see.
Yes, all of them will be nice details.
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Shin doesnt look swole enough to take on houken, though i would be suprised if this arc doesnt end up being battle with siege >fortifications with timeskip>attack on capital.
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@Myu:
Thanks man! Off to reading now!
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Nice chapter. Ousen probably has martial strength too. I just don't see him only as a strategical general. Especially ater we have someone like OuKi from the same family.
Well ther are Stats out, go see in the Kingdom Wiki… probably you dont want to see
! Ousen has 93 of 100 so he clearly is also ah realy strong fighter, but clearly not one of the strongest out there
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Well ther are Stats out, go see in the Kingdom Wiki… probably you dont want to see
! Ousen has 93 of 100 so he clearly is also ah realy strong fighter, but clearly not one of the strongest out there
Are those be all end all? I mean at this point of story narrative is clearly saying he has 93 points of stat in fighting. But maybe after this arc we will see something of him that puts him above that.
This aside, I think he will stay at 93 nonetheless. There is a reason we learned about that strategical Qin general and how he probably commanded all other 5 generals.
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@Myu:
Are those be all end all? I mean at this point of story narrative is clearly saying he has 93 points of stat in fighting. But maybe after this arc we will see something of him that puts him above that.
This aside, I think he will stay at 93 nonetheless. There is a reason we learned about that strategical Qin general and how he probably commanded all other 5 generals.
The last guide book came out after the Wei firedragon arc, so the Wei Firedragons are included… Ousen Stats where adapted also-> Ou Sen: 93/94/97 (prev: 93/93/97)
But it was a time where ousen had no "screen-time", probably the stats could be better now, but i dont think his figthing will get any better because hes not known to go All-Out an One on One...
If youre interested you can see the latest stats in this Kingdom Wiki Thread -> http://kingdom.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:19837
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The last guide book came out after the Wei firedragon arc, so the Wei Firedragons are included… Ousen Stats where adapted also-> Ou Sen: 93/94/97 (prev: 93/93/97)
But it was a time where ousen had no "screen-time", probably the stats could be better now, but i dont think his figthing will get any better because hes not known to go All-Out an One on One...
If youre interested you can see the latest stats in this Kingdom Wiki Thread -> http://kingdom.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:19837
Thank you. Looking at this stats Ou Ki's statement to Tou is nothing but a lie but is real for Mou Bu instead.
I remember this kind of Stat discussions, doesn't seem to go anywhere but… this seem to be a reality for Tou. Tou never meant to be the supreme general Mou Bu or Ou ki was/is/meant to be. For fighting prowess that is...
His general stats are higher than Mou Bu with 284. These stats are hard to judge.
As far as stats goes Yotanwa is a beast.
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As far as i can remember Riboku bested Shin in their little duel. So his fighting prowess should technically be around 93, no? I feel like Hara didn't want to give him a another point in fighting so he wouldn't be over 290.
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@Myu:
Thank you. Looking at this stats Ou Ki's statement to Tou is nothing but a lie but is real for Mou Bu instead.
I remember this kind of Stat discussions, doesn't seem to go anywhere but… this seem to be a reality for Tou. Tou never meant to be the supreme general Mou Bu or Ou ki was/is/meant to be. For fighting prowess that is...
His general stats are higher than Mou Bu with 284. These stats are hard to judge.
As far as stats goes Yotanwa is a beast.
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As far as i can remember Riboku bested Shin in their little duel. So his fighting prowess should technically be around 93, no? I feel like Hara didn't want to give him a another point in fighting so he wouldn't be over 290.
I only remember the statement of Ouki that Tous abilities were not below that of Ouki and its not 100% true, Tou Stats are below that of Ouki but not that clear. Time of the Death of Ouki-> Ouki 98/93/95 Tou 96/92/94. I think Ouki meant that Tou always could be General of his own Army and that it would be no problem for him to be head of the Ouki Army because the stats are nearly the same.
Riboku has 91 and Shin at that time 90+A… +A is the Rage Mode of Shin that gives him an extra boost like when he fought Rinko. And the Riboku thing was a small clash that smashed Shin away, that was no real fight and Shin didnt need to go all out.
But the Stats always have room for interpretation... sorry for the english...
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I only remember the statement of Ouki that Tous abilities were not below that of Ouki and its not 100% true, Tou Stats are below that of Ouki but not that clear. Time of the Death of Ouki-> Ouki 98/93/95 Tou 96/92/94. I think Ouki meant that Tou always could be General of his own Army and that it would be no problem for him to be head of the Ouki Army because the stats are nearly the same.
Riboku has 91 and Shin at that time 90+A… +A is the Rage Mode of Shin that gives him an extra boost like when he fought Rinko. And the Riboku thing was a small clash that smashed Shin away, that was no real fight and Shin didnt need to go all out.
But the Stats always have room for interpretation... sorry for the english...
I think stats wise Hara made an error on Ou Ki's. He should be identical to Ren Pa.
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@Myu:
I think stats wise Hara made an error on Ou Ki's. He should be identical to Ren Pa.
Well im with you there, but probably only because of the stats for Leadership. Ouki 98/93/95 - Renpa 97/98/96. Leadership only 93 doesnt resemble what was told an shown about Ouki, he encouraged his people sometime only with his presence alone… Tou, Kanki, Ousen all have better leadership stats now...
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Chapter 500 is out.
I wonder how the war will be covered because at least at first the Qin have the overwhelming advantage. I wonder if we will see more of a Zhao POV at the beginning.
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Thanks for the link.
Here, for lazy bastards such as myself.
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Great chapter, although I wonder when will Riboku find out. Yontawa would forget about me the same way she forgot about Heki. Poor Heki-bro.
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Who is the big guy with a scar around his eye again?
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Who is the big guy with a scar around his eye again?
Fodder number 2? Besides the obvious, someone in the inner circles of Riboku, I have no clue. Where is Naki? Cannot wait to see him representing the Hi Shin Unit.
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Who is the big guy with a scar around his eye again?
white Wig & big scar Guy i cant take serious, these are the "strong" guys just to show up and to die… why not introducing them way sooner...
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So Zhao hasnt discoverd the plan of Qin and with Ordo on the field it doesnt look like they will notice soon and have enough ressource…
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Putting the link anyway:http://reader.sensescans.com/read/kingdom/en/46/501/page/1
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I kinda like seeing a bunch of different characters from the same side giving their viewpoints.
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The Heaven really hates Zhao, huh?
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The Heaven really hates Zhao, huh?
That's probably what happens when you exile one of your three great heavens and his Four Heavenly Kings…
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http://sensescans.com/index.php?topic=3687.0
Not another introduce overhyped character in 1 chapter> have him get rekt chapter after that, shtick. Hara pls!
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http://sensescans.com/index.php?topic=3687.0
Not another introduce overhyped character in 1 chapter> have him get rekt chapter after that, shtick. Hara pls!
We are going to have some off those from now on. I hope he gets built up and not fall to Ordo. I can't take Ordo seriously anymore after Ousen schooled him.
This arc's build was one of the greatest. Let's see if the fight itself is going to live up to the hype.
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Ordo is just a tool hype for Shibashou, thats just how Hara always hypes characters.
Riboku reaction once he noticed Qin plan made me chuckle, this arc can reach Coalition Arc level of epicness.
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When Heki questioned Ouken i was like BITCH PLEEEAASSE.
On a serious note though, this really emphasizes what being a great generals means to the characters.
To Shin, Mou Ten and Ou Hon who have all been very close to great generals, (Ouki, Mou Bu, Ouken) They are almost infallable and it would take a lot for them to question the decision of one.
While to Heki and other scrubs who does not have the same familiarity with great generals nor really understands what is takes to be one they are merely commanders one or two ranks above themselves, and hence they question anything even slightly out of the ordinary.
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Yee, Kingdom is a lot like pro wrestling when it comes to introducing characters.
Introduce --> explain legendary reputation --> have him/her defeat already established characters who has serverved his role in the story --> HYPE!
Think one of my top 10 characters, Rokuomi is the perfect example of this. The man is a savage, but in reality, his main role is to hype up other characters.
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@Myu:
We are going to have some off those from now on. I hope he gets built up and not fall to Ordo. I can't take Ordo seriously anymore after Ousen schooled him.
This arc's build was one of the greatest. Let's see if the fight itself is going to live up to the hype.
I had the impression Ordo was taking it lightly, considering he and his kingdom had little to gain from the coalition war. Oh well, we'll see. If he doesn't win here, he might die.
Loved the Riboku part. It really does seem like the plan is desperately insane, considering it took him that long to realize.
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Not another introduce overhyped character in 1 chapter> have him get rekt chapter after that, shtick. Hara pls!
@Myu:
I hope he gets built up and not fall to Ordo.
Wait, you guys really think its Ordo who is getting hyped here? I think its pretty clear that it will be the other way around.
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I just hope, that the whole Yan situation wont be resolved in a chapter or two. I want to learn more about them, hopefully get to know a bit more about their upcoming talents.On a serious note though, this really emphasizes what being a great generals means to the characters.
To Shin, Mou Ten and Ou Hon who have all been very close to great generals, (Ouki, Mou Bu, Ouken) They are almost infallable and it would take a lot for them to question the decision of one.You are completely forgetting, that these three already knew the real plan and the other officiers not. Of course they are not surprised.
If Ousen would have announced to abandon the whole operation and go to Wei instead, they would be shocked as well.Loved the Riboku part. It really does seem like the plan is desperately insane, considering it took him that long to realize.
It also has something to do with every other war arc (minus the coalition of course) being just about capturing some random border town or fortress or border area. That was also historically the modus operandi of the Qin.
Given the latest string of Zhao defeats a larger attack against their premier defensive barrier was to be expected, but actually going directly for the kill against the capital area is something a lot more spectacular and dangerous