So, basically, this is going to be Meruem vs Netero. ( kind of )
Chapter 836: The Vivre Card Lola Gave
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@Tamiel:
And he also got it wrong. Skipping to Ennies Lobby pretty much says: the story gets good at this point. While a much more sensible point would be Arlong Park, I would include Baratie as it gave scope of the challenges ahead.
How can you (& Sawyer) recommend someone to skip early One Piece chapters? or any chapter really. I have finally started my girlfriend on OP, we're on chapter 6 atm lol…I did tell her that it picks up a lot more around chapter 100 but we're not skipping shit.
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I have yet to read an arc that had no bearing on future events in the series. Even Skypiea did, as it helped set up Kablautermann and Merry's death, and it'll probably have effects in the future as well.
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@Kaido:
I have yet to read an arc that had no bearing on future events in the series. Even Skypiea did, as it helped set up Kablautermann and Merry's death, and it'll probably have effects in the future as well.
you mean, Foxy ?
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@Monkey:
Vague ideas of strength is not power levels, and is flexible and organic enough that it doesn't imply the rigid idiocy of turning it into math.Also no actually. Baroque Works was a reverse meritocracy, if you fucked up the guy/gal the rank below you got to bump you off and rise a rank. Or in the case of the Millions and Billions potentially open themselves up for nomination. Remember why Mr. 11 got killed?And of course powers like Mr. 2's even had non-combat related importance to Crocodile's plans, same with Robin's knowledge of the Ancient script. Hell even the 7 Pair were specialized around sniping.Also factor in the male and female agents were along different tracks of promotion, which meant their strengths weren't even being comparatively ranked.Gosh its so much more interesting and complex than "500456 > 34562".One of those four being Gedatsu for just being a total fuck up.And ALL four of them being largely based around a previously arranged and set up environment, remember that? The trials?Satori didn't just fight, he hung out around some huge trees where there was hundreds of his surprise cloud balls everywhere. The combat he offered was almost entirely based around utilizing that environment.Shura we barely got to see, but it was a section of jungle where lots of (sticky?) strings were laid out to catch people spider style.Gedatsu fought in an area with swampy clouds, which he used and abused.And Ohm not only had an arena full of trap barbed wire clouds, he also had a huge fucking dog helping him lol.
Power Levels aren't mentioned in One Piece as you said we have a Vague Idea of who's strongest to weakest. Can Mr.2 handle Mr.1 ? the answer is no based on what ? The order of Baroque Works. Same applies to the Survival rate of Enel's army you tell me which is worst BTW each environment is created by the priest themselves the moment you fight them they create the environment. I don't know about you but suffocating from a cloud or getting stuck by strings and impaled by a Javelin is worst than being trapped in a cage.
Well shucks, guess I missed when the strength was turned into a quantitive definite thing.See there's a million dollar word for you right there.Quantitative. As opposed to Qualitative.Because the little duel between those two words is the whole issue at hand when you get down to it.
THIS exactly obviously you don't like the quantitive portion of these discussions perfectly fine hell I'm in agreement with this, Qualitative though shouldn't be a problem whats the problem with discussing this in a intelligent debate ? I do think fanboys have ruined this but nothing wrong if you can have a civil discussion ( AM I wrong here ? If so tell me why besides giving me One Piece isn't about strength).
Oh you do? Awesome, I'll disregard anything you start saying that involves them.Except for this because ahahahahahahahahaha
I was mocking people who say this, simple fact of the matter is Oda writes the 'SBS' he mentioned that people should read the data book cause it provides valuable information.
You never mentioned a single crew.
The Baroque works, Enel Priest , and CP9 all in the category of strength. Tell me who in Baroque works besides Crocodile could beat Daz Bones. I'll leave out Enel Priest since thats something we might not agree on, in CP9 guess who had Robin's key Kaku.Yes One piece isn't all about Power/Strength but it does play a role.
Yeah, he blew them off the faces of Freeza and his dad's men and that was the last time we ever heard about power levels. Which is Toriyama abandoning power levels.Wait wait wait, let me get this straight.You are borderline accepting (though still hilariously in denial) that detail nerd Oda didn't actually write the One Piece databooks.But you apparently are very certain that casual flippant toward his own creation detail forgetting Toriyama DID write the Dragonball databooks?? Including the most asinine detail of all? Power levels beyond AND before the scouters showed up?Wow! That's completely indefensible!
I said I was mocking people who say that the Databooks through each Shonen has to go through channels and be approved before released can you imagine I wrote a DataBook and plagiarized Oda or Toriyama's work do you know how badly I'd be sued.And to add to this Oda shouldn't be telling people to read them if there not useful what kind of person tells people to read something thats not correct or inconsistent <–- I'd like to see your reply to this as well.
Ah, an old Manga section standard. A person approaching the creative writing world like a robot.IF STORY X PROVIDES INSPIRATION INTO STORY Y, WE CAN CALCULATE THAT THEY MUST SHARE ALL FACETS.This facet by the way being a thing that showed up in just the middle of Dragonball during the Saiyen and Namek stuff, and vanished right afterwards.Power levels are actually pretty goddamn insignificant in the story. And if you think that sort of shit is what Oda loved about Dragonball than I'm starting to think you really don't get anything about either manga.
Of course not thats not what Oda got from DB I've read there interview together he loved Goku's characters and interactions between the characters also the adventures. But thats another discussion.
What the hell is a PW. Are you shortening "Power Level" to PW…?? What??
LOL yeah I meant PL ignore ignore.
Ah yes, shonen manga. Such as Slam Dunk and Detective Conan, well known for their power levels based martial arts.So yeah you don't actually know what shonen refers to, because it damn well doesn't refer to "Stuff like Dragonball".
Fair enough you got me there, but neither of the two were inspired by DB..But your still right.
Luffy and Zoro had a really awkward forced fight based around a complete misunderstanding, that Oda used as a alternative way of defeating Mr. 5 and Ms. Valentines Day.It is absolutely meaningless beyond that since Zoro and Luffy have zero rivalry whatsoever
LOL it wasn't awkward, there was a misunderstanding yes. But read the context of there argument and what possibly crossed their minds
LUFFY:Liar what kind of enemies would Feed us
ZORO: You simple minded idiot (put on bandana) But if you're going to get serious so will I! Don't complain after I kill you
Bazooka and Oni GIRI clash
ZORO :This'll be a good chance to see which is stronger your unarmed combat or my sword fighting
LUFFY :Good lets make it clear
CHAP :112
(Take what you want from that panel but its clear as day they've wondered how it would go if they were too fight. After wards they K.O the two baroque agents one hit each. SO from this you got this is an opportunity for them to take out the two agents ?)Yeah, you're right. Yaoi pairings will never happened in the manga, and are the imagination and fanfiction of semi-deluded people.Much like people who think there well ever be a decisive serious duel of Zoro vs Luffy, and Zoro vs Sanji. Those will never happened, and are in the imagination of semi-deluded people.
I provided you with a panel where Luffy and Zoro comment they wonder who is better than whom. Provide me with a panel where there are possible Yaoi pairings and I'll agree with you people who put Zoro vs Luffy are as delusion as Yaoi pairings.
Imagine, a bunch of people in an insane asylum arguing over who gets to use the TV to speak to aliens.
I'll be waiting for the chapter or the panel.
Usopp straight took a ranking guy out. That's not supporting a stronger fighter, that's getting his part of the job done same as Sanji beating Kuroobi and Zoro beating Hatchi.It's also interesting and fun to watch because of how unpredictable and creative the tactics are. As opposed to your beloved calculator combat.
I don't enjoy Quantitive measurements but I don't mind Qualitative when it comes to OP. Maybe Mr.Satan is not a good measurement for Usopp lets use Krillian he's capable of taking out ranking power soldiers also but once again here just support for the primary bigger guys in the story. In regard to Suga I wouldn't consider him taking her out he frightened her and she went unconscious….
Hercule?? Jesus christ, the dub stopped calling him that like a decade ago. Now I know you're not young.Also why are you comparing a guy throwing another guy to provide support talk… to Usopp defeating an opponent in single combat.There is absolutely nothing in common between these situations.
I'm young dammnit I'm in my early 20's plus I'm from Canada we get our Anime a bit later here well back when DB was on TV. Besides that Usopp scared her so that Luffy can progress to take Doflamingo. Mr.Satan threw 16's head to tell Gohan not to hold back somewhat similar if you ask me. Two acts of weaker characters to have the primary fighters achieve their goals.
You know exactly damn well what is implied by saying Zoro is "equal" to his captain.
Zoro is so shocked by a smidgeon of touching the pain sphere that he screams in pain.The pain that apparently is just the regular result of Luffy's huge battles and body contorting techniques. But yeah sure, same level.
LUFFYIS
THE
PROTAGONIST
WHY
ARE
YOU
FIGHTING
TO HAVE SUPPORTING MAIN CAST BE HIS EQUAL
hahah you mentioned that Shonen shouldn't be all following the same standard
Ah, an old Manga section standard. A person approaching the creative writing world like a robot.
IF STORY X PROVIDES INSPIRATION INTO STORY Y, WE CAN CALCULATE THAT THEY MUST SHARE ALL FACETS.
Yet you say the protagonist must be the strongest which in turn is a standard, keep this in mind as I told you before Kuma mentioned Zoro's damage before hand, if Zoro was fresh I'd agree with you but he wasn't even after taking all he did he took Luffy's pain so either A.) Your a Luffy fanboy in hiding who doesn't want to accept the truth or B.) Your just plain denying facts. Luffy passed out from the pain his body sustained Zoro took his pain + the pain he already had. What do you get from that ?
This is the VERY definition of fanboyism and being completely blind to the plot and characters.
I'm far from a fanboy I capable of admitting when I'm wrong and I can view things from a unbiased standpoint. Once again I'll wait for your reply.
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@John:
you mean, Foxy ?
You mean, the arc which introduced Aokiji and set up Enies Lobby?
And even when an arc consists mostly of "one-off" material, it's still usually pretty fun to read.
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Having never watched his reviews, anyone that tells their audience that it's okay to skip 400 chapters of world-building straight to Enies Lobby is pretty objectively terrible :P
I don't know if he said that, for I have never heard it before.
Even if he did say that, it doesn't make his reviews "objectively terrible". Watch few of his videos and then you'll judge by yourself wether he is a good or a bad reviewer.
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So… Are we really expecting Luffy v. Cracker to have an actual conclusion, or, are we expecting the confrontation to be interrupted somehow/someway?
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I also find DSP's dumb lets plays entertaining doesn't mean i consider him a good reviewer or take his opinion on anything seriously.
Sawyer has nothing interesting or insightful to say in his videos. They are the most boring, and painfully casual as you can get. I don't know why anyone would be interested to hear his thoughts.
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Just watch King Of Lightning, and be done with it. lol
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@The:
So… Are we really expecting Luffy v. Cracker to have an actual conclusion, or, are we expecting the confrontation to be interrupted somehow/someway?
I'm expecting it to be interrupted.
Sawyer has nothing interesting or insightful to say in his videos. They are the most boring, and painfully casual as you can get. I don't know why anyone would be interested to hear his thoughts.
The answer is simple…
Not everyone thinks the same of Sawyer.
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Like many if not all works, video reviews are subjective and can be viewed in a variety of ways.
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@le:
But I honestly never understood why the favourite character rankings of some fans are determined by the character's strength.
Because those fans are cavemen.
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@Buggy:
How can you (& Sawyer) recommend someone to skip early One Piece chapters? or any chapter really. I have finally started my girlfriend on OP, we're on chapter 6 atm lol…I did tell her that it picks up a lot more around chapter 100 but we're not skipping shit.
Oh I didn't want you, or anyone to take that I think it is appropiate to skip any chapters( I mostly read manga, and I started Hajime no Ippo from ch.1 way after the series was over the 1000 chapter mark, that should tell you more that I don't think skipping is good). The only thing I was saying is that if you wanted to know when the series picked up a lot of momentum, for me, was in Arlong Park. Way before the 100 chapter mark! And I was even saying it when comparig his recommendation( ennies lobby). Because Ennies Lobby and Arlong Park had similar build ups, crewmate leaves without consulting Luffy, previous fall/defeat/disruption of crew members(Zoro amd Ussop), reclaiming of crewmate, etc.(or maybe those were all), so of he would've liked readers to associate with that Arlong Park is a better point( you don't have to read 400+ chapters neither if you get hooked.)
Personally this is my answer when friends come for manga/anime recommendations:
"Hey! I wanted to start a new anime, One Piece has so many episodes though, is it really. Good?"Me: "Watch it? You must mean read it, don't waste your time with adaptations, go straight to the manga."
They never end up picking it. Must be my delivery.
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@Monkey:
This has fuck all to do with Zoro absorbing a magic fart bubble containing Luffy's pain and suffering.
Why don't you just start talking about your favorite brand of pudding or whatever, couldn't be any less relevant than what you're going on about here!…what is the point? Like I said, the first sentence doesn't in any way relate to the seconds conclusion. And I don't even mean logically speaking, they plain seem entirely unrelated as ideas and thoughts. In fact you've kind of kept doing this. One sentence mentioning some irrelevant crap about Luffy, second "YET ZORO STILL TOOK IT."
The spotted owl may soon be forced out of it's habitat.
Yet Zoro still took it. That is the point.The FBI announced today the arrest of seven members of Sinaloa Cartel in San Diego.
Yet Zoro still took it. That is the point.The Dao that can be expressed is not the eternal Dao; The name that can be defined is not the unchanging name.
Yet Zoro still took it. That is the point.If you can not see how Zoro taking pain/suffering equal to Luffy despite not having a rubber body [disadvantage in taking blunt], demonstrating strength equal to Luffy as relevance, Fighting evenly at Whiskey Peak, always said that he could be the captain of the SH pirates and even in all the data books stating that Zoro and Luffy are equal in fighting power…"BUTZ SCREWTAPE ODAZ DOES NOTZ WRITE DATABOOKZ....Yet Oda still references them in an SBS volume 62. You are beyond help, it's in your mother's hands now.
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If you can not see how Zoro taking pain/suffering equal to Luffy despite not having a rubber body, demonstrating strength equal to Luffy as relevance, Fighting evnly at Whiskey Peak, always said that he could be the captain of the SH pirates and even in all the data books stating that Zoro and Luffy are equal in fighting power…"BUTZ SCREWTAPE ODAZ DOES NOTZ WRITE DATABOOKZ....Yet Oda still references them in an SBS volume 62. You are beyond help, it's in your mother's hands now.
I said the same thing but in that respect I understand what @MonkeyKing is saying people who sit around reading One Piece specifically for battles and to calculate battle information is stupid Where we differ is that I believe certain parts in One Piece like example the whisky peak scene is definitely Oda showing power and strength comparisons and what each person is capable of doing.I do think some people ruin One Piece strength comparisons by being thick headed and even when proven wrong they still continue with there wrong assessments.
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Even if zoro was on par with luffy at some point, it's not like they had the exact same progress in power and they are equals now too and that goes for the rest of the story.
Whisky peak? Like what… 700 chapters ago?
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I said the same thing but in that respect I understand what @MonkeyKing is saying people who sit around reading One Piece specifically for battles and to calculate battle information is stupid Where we differ is that I believe certain parts in One Piece like example the whisky peak scene is definitely Oda showing power and strength comparisons and what each person is capable of doing.I do think some people ruin One Piece strength comparisons by being thick headed and even when proven wrong they still continue with there wrong assessments.
Luffy being equal to Zoro is story, period.
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If you can not see how Zoro taking pain/suffering equal to Luffy despite not having a rubber body, demonstrating strength equal to Luffy as relevance, Fighting evenly at Whiskey Peak, always said that he could be the captain of the SH pirates and even in all the data books stating that Zoro and Luffy are equal in fighting power…"BUTZ SCREWTAPE ODAZ DOES NOTZ WRITE DATABOOKZ....Yet Oda still references them in an SBS volume 62. You are beyond help, it's in your mother's hands now.
He referenced by pointing out an early sketch that he did it, in other words it has nothing to do with the current issue. Don't forget those are the same Databooks that states that Sabo is dead.
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He referenced by pointing out an early sketch that he did it, in other words it has nothing to do with the current issue. Don't forget those are the same Databooks that states that Sabo is dead.
At the same time the manga had us assume Sabo was dead as well.
Why would databooks reveal secret info that the story has not introduced? Common sense.
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If you can not see how Zoro taking pain/suffering equal to Luffy despite not having a rubber body [disadvantage in taking blunt],
Oh shit, you must have that special edition of that volume, the one where instead of transferring pain in a magic bubble. Kuma painstakingly recreates the physical circumstances Luffy went through on Zoro panel by panel.
Oh wait no sorry, there's only one version, and it's the one with a magic bubble encapsulating Luffy's pain. Which….I know this is hard to understand...doesn't include pain Luffy didn't experience.And yes then we precede with the retard fantasy football garbage from someone who thinks the protagonist being the main force in the cast TEKNIKALLY MIGHT NOT BE TRU IF YOU ARE AN IDIOT LIKE ME.
You are the worst poster on the forum right now btw. Quite an achievement given Austropifficicisulous is still around.
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At the same time the manga had us assume Sabo was dead as well.
The manga suggested this for the children in the audience, while leaving clear and obvious hints that he survived and was picked up by Dragon for everyone over the age of 12 in the audience.
I am shocked, SHOCKED, that you apparently have the reading comprehension level of a child.Why would databooks reveal secret info that the story has not introduced? Common sense.
Yes, Oda would have told the people not to spoil things for the kids. For the kids.
Oda referencing a data book has everything to do with the fact that they are approved by him.
How are you even capable of completing sentences?
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LOL @ Monkey King. Your replies are fun to read
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At the same time the manga had us assume Sabo was dead as well.
The manga had Luffy assume Sabo was dead. I don't think many readers thought he was dead. Lots of hints as said above (end of the post-war flashback, chapter 668 cover page etc).
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@Kaido:
You mean, the arc which introduced Aokiji and set up Enies Lobby?
And even when an arc consists mostly of "one-off" material, it's still usually pretty fun to read.
how did it set up anything ? Aokiji comes at the end of the arc and says things like "hey she's a notorious criminal" and whatev, it sets up the very following chapters, not a big deal here.
and yeah, he appeared at the end, when Foxy was gone and stuff. still is the only pointless arc of the whole manga. I'm more specifically pointing out the chapters before he appears, when they're playing some pointless games. even at the time when i was young, didn't understand the interest of this arc. and we've never seen Foxy again or heard of him, not even in one of the mini-series. and pretty sure he'll never come back.
at the time, Oda probably thought it was alright to waste time in this. not sure if he could do such things again today.and yeah, never said anything about the arc being fun to read or not. but I agree that every arc are connected. just think this one was unnecessary.
I'm expecting it to be interrupted.
"serious fights" only happening at the end of an arc, after exposing how bad is the bad-guy is annoying. I hope this is going to be a full-combat. even though i know it will get interrupted somehow. but the author needs to show us that Luffy can face something like Jack ( at least, AT LEAST !!! ).
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No, Foxy arc is far from pointless. Like, it gave us a good foreshadowing about how it is to lose a comrade.
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Oda referencing a data book has everything to do with the fact that they are approved by him.
Because it had a sketch made by him in there that a fan mentioned? That is like…one percent of the entire DATABOOK?
Is it enough to call everything in it a total legitimate resource?
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@John:
how did it set up anything ? Aokiji comes at the end of the arc and says things like "hey she's a notorious criminal" and whatev, it sets up the very following chapters, not a big deal here.
and yeah, he appeared at the end, when Foxy was gone and stuff. still is the only pointless arc of the whole manga. I'm more specifically pointing out the chapters before he appears, when they're playing some pointless games. even at the time when i was young, didn't understand the interest of this arc. and we've never seen Foxy again or heard of him, not even in one of the mini-series. and pretty sure he'll never come back.
at the time, Oda probably thought it was alright to waste time in this. not sure if he could do such things again today.and yeah, never said anything about the arc being fun to read or not. but I agree that every arc are connected. just think this one was unnecessary.
"serious fights" only happening at the end of an arc, after exposing how bad is the bad-guy is annoying. I hope this is going to be a full-combat. even though i know it will get interrupted somehow. but the author needs to show us that Luffy can face something like Jack ( at least, AT LEAST !!! ).
Foxy arc lays the foundation for the stuff that is about to happen to the Strawhats in Water 7 story.
The structure wouldn't work if you just exclude Foxy arc.
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Foxy arc lays the foundation for the stuff that is about to happen to the Strawhats in Water 7 story.
The structure wouldn't work if you just exclude Foxy arc.
what foundation ? the last 3chapters when everything about the games are finished ?
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Because it had a sketch made by him in there that a fan mentioned? That is like…one percent of the entire DATABOOK?
Is it enough to call everything in it a total legitimate resource?
You can see 'author: Oda' and 'supervised by Oda' in databooks. I'm sure this plagiarizing company should have been sued a long time ago if it wasn't true or misinformation.
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The idea of Luffy and Strawhats losing a comrade is something that starts with Foxy arc and then gets heavily explored in Water 7. Thematically Water 7 stuff wouldn't really work without Foxy arc laying the foundation for it.
The arc itself is a fun little arc to provide breathing room between Skypeia arc and Water 7 arc.
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You can see 'author: Oda' and 'supervised by Oda' in databooks. I'm sure this plagiarizing company should have been sued a long time ago if it wasn't true or misinformation.
Just because he supervisioned, it does not mean everything is true.
Oda also supervisioned some movies and that does not turn them canon.
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@Monkey:
Oh shit, you must have that special edition of that volume, the one where instead of transferring pain in a magic bubble. Kuma painstakingly recreates the physical circumstances Luffy went through on Zoro panel by panel.
Oh wait no sorry, there's only one version, and it's the one with a magic bubble encapsulating Luffy's pain. Which….I know this is hard to understand...doesn't include pain Luffy didn't experience.And yes then we precede with the retard fantasy football garbage from someone who thinks the protagonist being the main force in the cast TEKNIKALLY MIGHT NOT BE TRU IF YOU ARE AN IDIOT LIKE ME.
You are the worst poster on the forum right now btw. Quite an achievement given Austropifficicisulous is still around.
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The manga suggested this for the children in the audience, while leaving clear and obvious hints that he survived and was picked up by Dragon for everyone over the age of 12 in the audience.
I am shocked, SHOCKED, that you apparently have the reading comprehension level of a child.Yes, Oda would have told the people not to spoil things for the kids. For the kids.
How are you even capable of completing sentences?
Because I know how to read a simple story that didn't factually reveal Sabo was alive till later, Zoro took all the pain/suffering from Luffy's battle against Moriah. I never posted anything otherwise yet you tried to insert as such. Regardless of the fanboy assumptions you want to push. Don't get mad, get official, not that hard, like a child with crayons, stay with in the lines….In other words, in the story please.
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Just because he supervisioned, it does not mean everything is true.
Oda also supervisioned some movies and that does not turn them canon.
So let me get this straight, Oda is going to sit with his peers who help him write One Piece and give them incorrect information and to make matters worse encourage his readers to read the DataBooks. <–- Do you see how insane this is ? Movies and the Databooks are two different things Oda will help with a character or an enemy not 100 % sure if he helps with the plot I don't think he does. Databooks provide information and additional content why would Oda supervise incorrect information for his story
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So let me get this straight, Oda is going to sit with his peers who help him write One Piece and give them incorrect information and to make matters worse encourage his readers to read the DataBooks. <–- Do you see how insane this is ? Movies and the Databooks are two different things Oda will help with a character or an enemy not 100 % sure if he helps with the plot I don't think he does. Databooks provide information and additional content why would Oda supervise incorrect information for his story
The fact that X.Drake has apparently 2 birthdays shows how those Databooks can be inconsistent.
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One of the issues is, what did you guys think was happening when Dragon had his save shadowy person scene? Didn't that happen in the same chapter Sabo "died"? Memory is foggy, and this is has become a bit comical, what are we even talking about here, is Zoro Strength >= Luffy strength? Why not waste time guessing which type of haki each crew member will develop instead? At the end of the day, Luffy will always take care of the biggest threat, regardless if Ussop could do it as well. Also I think an Ussop vs Luffy rematch would be intense once God develops his haki.
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The fact that X.Drake has apparently 2 birthdays shows how those Databooks can be inconsistent.
There are also simple mistakes Oda has drawn in One Piece he's not a perfect guy, forgetting Ace's freckles, giving Zoro Laws sword, even at times incorrectly giving Zoro Luffys scar and vice versa. Mistakes are common. But for you to say a whole Book is not canon when the Author himself tells people to read is something else.
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There are also simple mistakes Oda has drawn in One Piece he's not a perfect guy, forgetting Ace's freckles, giving Zoro Laws sword, even at times incorrectly giving Zoro Luffys scar and vice versa. Mistakes are common. But for you to say a whole Book is not canon when the Author himself tells people to read is something else.
So it is okay to have mistakes, but same mistakes cannot be wrong information?
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About databooks, I don't think their information is 100% legit since they sometimes contain errors.
For example, according to BLUE DEEP,
- Enies Lobby is located on Calm Belt instead of Grand Line.
- Vista's swordmanship is equal or superior to Mihawk.
- Hyouzou has 6 swords instead of 8 swords.
- Crocodile's bounty is 80 million berry instead of 81 million berry.
Greg also said the same thing before.@Greg:
By being responsible for keeping every detail of several hundred characters straight and being human.
There are, unfortunately, a number of glaring errors in Blue Deep which Mr. Isaka is responsible for and ultimately Oda for signing off on.It happens. Hopefully those kind of errors will not be repeated when the next book is released.
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I personally think a Strawhat SHOULD die at some point during the story, but I'm not Oda, nor do I know the direction/flow he wants for the series he created. So…
I think I've said it before, but I think Usopp would make sense, since his dream is simply to become brave and no longer afraid (more or less), and what better way to do that than to sacrifice yourself/die for your friends/crew. But like I said...just a mushy fan theory and idea, Oda knows better/best.
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The databooks serve to help the story at that point, they can become useless as the story progresses. If the author is concealing events or truths, then the databook will do so as well. The next databook will probably say: Sabo is alive! It is not about mistakes and what not, it is the simple fact that the databook serves for a certain type of reader and their interests. Personally I have not read any of them, I would rather read the manga again. Everything we need to know is there.
Also regarding the transfer of pain. Put this in perspective, Luffy not only had that fatigue/pain stored he managed to beat Moria while ~carrying~. As impressive as Zoro's feat was, we've known from day 1 that he is a tough character, extremely tough. Like he had a rubber body built on muscles. By withstanding the magic bubble he proves that he can carry the burden of the journey, he grows as a character as he had previously said in Water 7, that he might leave the crew next time, which ties in with what he told Luffy, that if Luffy got in the way of his dream he would cut him down. Without that bubble, he would have never accepted Mihawk training him, it changed Zoro's perspective of the journey he was on. But I mean if it all is going to boil down to: Zoro has more HP than Luffy, he got rekt and had the time to pull a badass line, Luffy just passed out!, then…okay.
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So it is okay to have mistakes, but same mistakes cannot be wrong information?
They shouldn't be written as correct information since…well they are mistakes.
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About databooks, I don't think their information is 100% legit since they sometimes contain errors.
For example, according to BLUE DEEP,
- Enies Lobby is located on Calm Belt instead of Grand Line.
- Vista's swordmanship is equal or superior to Mihawk.
- Hyouzou has 6 swords instead of 8 swords.
- Crocodile's bounty is 80 million berry instead of 81 million berry.
Greg also said the same thing before.
Those are my thoughts exactly, I believe they can be used as viable information when said information is correct and relates to the manga there are errors especially with how long the series has been going.
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@The:
I personally think a Strawhat SHOULD die at some point during the story, but I'm not Oda, nor do I know the direction/flow he wants for the series he created. So…
I think I've said it before, but I think Usopp would make sense, since his dream is simply to become brave and no longer afraid (more or less), and what better way to do that than to sacrifice yourself/die for your friends/crew. But like I said...just a mushy fan theory and idea, Oda knows better/best.
All SHs have their life goals and we can be sure that they will achieve them.
Oda doesn´t even kill off secondary or less important characters, he only does so when their death serves a greater purpose in the story.
So motivating Luffy to overcome a last obstacle for example could be a reason, but here i see a certain person more fitting to die, who doesn´t belong to the crew.
In the end i doubt Oda will kill a SH, because he doesn´t want the fans of that character to feel bad in any way after reading his masterpiece.
Sure Ace and WB also had many fans, but a SH crewmember is something completely different, they´re like family to most of us readers.
Usopp might be a brave warrior even when he dies, but Kaya would be left devastated, which would be a bitter ending.
I would see it as a huge risk that would stun all of his fans and so make it awesome,but i can´t see Oda going so far with his fans, when it would "hurt" some of them.
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@John:
how did it set up anything ?
It's the thematic set up for the ENTIRE Water 7/Eneis Lobby stuff.
Oda throws down the "Wow! What if we lost crew members!" thing and then cracks his knuckles before embarking on like ten volumes with conflicts based around that concern.
Also it acts as light comic relief before a really dark couple volumes (namely volume 35).
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You can see 'author: Oda' and 'supervised by Oda' in databooks. I'm sure this plagiarizing company should have been sued a long time ago if it wasn't true or misinformation.
Do you think Oda is self-published??? I don't even…
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Because I know how to read a simple story that didn't factually reveal Sabo was alive till later,
Well that pretty much settles it, you are in fact reading on a grade school level. Worse you don't think this is an issue.
No wonder you hate the talking parts of the series lol.Don't get mad, get official,
lol this doesn't even mean anything.
like a child with crayons, stay with in the lines….In other words, in the story please.
One Piece story according to Screwtape: PUNCH PUNCH PUNCH PUNCH, THE KUMA SCENE IS ABOUT HOW ZORO IS EQUAL TO LUFFY, PUNCH PUNCH PUNCH
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There are also simple mistakes Oda has drawn in One Piece he's not a perfect guy, forgetting Ace's freckles, giving Zoro Laws sword, even at times incorrectly giving Zoro Luffys scar and vice versa. Mistakes are common. But for you to say a whole Book is not canon when the Author himself tells people to read is something else.
They're assembled by various people from some department within Shueisha, and probably some additional notes Oda sends them. Usually most of the content is essentially just a book wikipedia.
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I don't know if he said that, for I have never heard it before.
Even if he did say that, it doesn't make his reviews "objectively terrible". Watch few of his videos and then you'll judge by yourself wether he is a good or a bad reviewer.
I find his videos entertaining.I've been following him for quite sometime now and the only thing that he have said that comes relatively close ( not even) to what those guys are claiming is that Adult Swim choose right on starting the series at a certain arc (forgot which one was it) to hook up the audience quicker rather than starting from episode 1.
KOF has the funniest reviews of them all, but he goes full on retard from time to time.
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@The:
I personally think a Strawhat SHOULD die at some point during the story, but I'm not Oda, nor do I know the direction/flow he wants for the series he created. So…
I think I've said it before, but I think Usopp would make sense, since his dream is simply to become brave and no longer afraid (more or less), and what better way to do that than to sacrifice yourself/die for your friends/crew. But like I said...just a mushy fan theory and idea, Oda knows better/best.
A Straw Hat already has died. That was the point of Merry, where Oda showed us a crewmember we didn't even know existed or really appreciated until she was gone. Iceburg, the literal genius of genius shipwrights was directly shown a miracle that should never occur with the Merry going far longer than any other ship in its condition. Also the impact of the death of the one thing that's more important than any crew member except Luffy–the ship.
i mean, if some people including myself can consider Vivi to be a true blue Straw Hat (even if maybe a voluntary member) then you could also consider Merry to be part of the crew in the same regard. I mean, if Vivi died in the long run of our story it may not really matter but to the Straw Hats it would be devastating.
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Wow, databook says Vista is equal or superior to Mihawk ? Well he cannot be superior but I'm pretty sure they're almost equal.
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Wow, databook says Vista is equal or superior to Mihawk ? Well he cannot be superior but I'm pretty sure they're almost equal.
20 or so posts emphasizing why the databook's are not authoritative sources to be relied upon
WOW THE DATABOOK SAID WHAT??
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@Monkey:
20 or so posts emphasizing why the databook's are not authoritative sources to be relied upon
WOW THE DATABOOK SAID WHAT??
I don't give a shit if you think they are not authoritative source. If they weren't the author just wouldn't let it to be written in the first place.
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Zoro is 1 level below luffy it is obvious since the dawn of one piece. If we were to calculate Straw hats based on doriki's post timeskip I would rate luffy at 12000 currently followed by Zoro with 10500 and Sanji with 9000 respectively. Luffy also has one more gear to reveal he will be super powerful in the Kaido arc.
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I don't give a shit if you think they are not authoritative source. If they weren't the author just wouldn't let it to be written in the first place.
By the way manga just perfectly shows that Vista is not much weaker than Mihawk.ahahaha, this fucking post right after all those others, especially the Sandman one with the Greg quote.
Move over Screwtape! Here comes a challenger to the throne of dense!