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Chrollo definitely feels like a final boss type. I really hope he doesn't die here
*TeamChrollo
Chrollo definitely feels like a final boss type. I really hope he doesn't die here
THIS FIGHT!!!!
What a ride! Chrollo's ideology is super creepy. He's detached from humanity in such a sociopathic, matter-of-fact way. The combination of his abilities is very intimidating. So we have as follows:
1. Skill Hunter: "Bandit's Secret" – Chrollo's method of obtaining all abilities and utilizing them.
2. Black Voice: "Mobile Fate Director" -- The ability to control two living beings at once. It changes their will and allows for complex commands.
3. The Sun and Moon: "Paired Destruction" -- Affixes mines. Once the seals touch, depending on duration, the explosion will change in intensity and power. Since it's the ability of a dead man, we can assume that it possesses high destructive ability.
4. Double Face: "Bookmark Theme" -- Allows for Chrollo to use an ability without holding Bandit's Secret in his hands. He can potentially use two abilities at once as well.
5. Gallery Fake: "Divine Left Hand, Demonic Right Hand" -- The ability to copy nonliving things. Living beings can be copied and rendered into corpses.
6. Order Stamp: "Proof of Humanity" -- The ability to control copied corpses (or, "puppets"). It can convey simple commands to them--similar to Illumi's needlemen--as long as it does not go against the original's will. Only destroyed when the head is detached from the body.
7. Convert Hands: "Transfer Student" - The ability to swap likenesses with another. Touching someone with his right hand will let them take on Chrollo's likeness. Touching them with his left hand lets them take on their likeness. Touching with both lets them swap.
Do you guys really find it hard to follow? I'm asking seriously. I know Togashi's always way wordier on things than he needs to be, but I thought this one was easier to follow than a bunch of his other stuff. Dude can control people, create dolls from people, control dolls, swap appearances and make shit that touches explode. What this will be is just a big ol' game of hide, seek and explode.
i weirdly didn't find this chapter hard to follow. it's chapter 350 that was confusing and messy imo.
Does anyone else think that "The Sun and the Moon" is the same ability utilized for the suicide bombings detailed in chapter 102?
Hisoka has all the odds stacked against him, he has no other choice but kill everyone in the audience..
I totally thought about that too lol. But he doesn't really have an aoe that would make it faster lol.
i weirdly didn't find this chapter hard to follow. it's chapter 350 that was confusing and messy imo.
Its also MS fault, just read the OPM extra chapter on MS, and it made it look like it was HxH.
MS sucks :/.
blah, blah, Humans are mysterious, blah, blah, Humans are very fascinating, blah, blah. Fuck the fight's rules Wtf? Now to kill all the audience.
I totally thought about that too lol. But he doesn't really have an aoe that would make it faster lol.
Either Hisoka has another hatsu(doubt it) or he will show more feats with Bungee Gum, since a Magician never show all his tricks.
To me, Chrollo telling Hisoka he can disable clones by removing their heads was obvious bait. Expect a head-related trick later in the fight.
I imagine that Chrollo is giving all of this information to Hisoka so he has to think a lot and guess a lot during their fight, instead of making plans and going for offensive. Chrollo probably knows that he has low chances of winning if its 1 vs 1 Nen ability as Hisoka is simply genious at creative usage of his ability and most likely is even better than Chrollo when it comes to analytic thinking during fight.
Thus Chrollo wants to "overburden Hisokas ram and use created lag to finish him off"..
Now would be good time for Hisoka to show some ace up his sleeve that we didnt know or thought about yet.
I wondered if he can hide traps made with his nen ability with In. Making some rubber "sticker-mines" that would capture Chrollo in one place for a moment.
This annoys me and destroyed my suspension of disbelief. The only reason Hisoka is able to keep up is because Chrollo is explaining every Nen ability he uses and Hisoka uses that information to fight back.
Incredibly Disappointing, might as well have off-screened the fight.
This annoys me and destroyed my suspension of disbelief. The only reason Hisoka is able to keep up is because Chrollo is explaining every Nen ability he uses and Hisoka uses that information to fight back.
Incredibly Disappointing, might as well have off-screened the fight.
Assuming that all information that Chrollo gave is true you might be partially right.. but I do not think all that Chrollo said is true.
This annoys me and destroyed my suspension of disbelief. The only reason Hisoka is able to keep up is because Chrollo is explaining every Nen ability he uses and Hisoka uses that information to fight back.
Incredibly Disappointing, might as well have off-screened the fight.
Hisoka also stood still for like 8 minutes while Chrollo explained it instead of attacking him and denying him time to set up. So…
I don't see a problem with Hisoka standing and listening. It's not just about winning for him. It's about overcoming.
And also jizzing his pants while turning tables on an opponent who thought he was winning.
Unless togashi is just getting this out of the way for togashi's sake, which is unlikely as it already has gone for 2 chapters and isn't done yet, corolo is either predisposing hisoka to watch out for these attacks to surprise him with another one, or his bookmarker needs for the opponent to know the skill.
It would be funny if what Chrollo is doing now will let him steal Hisokas Nen ability.
Maybe Bandit's Secred rules needed for stealing Nen ability changed or they can differ from what we know. It would be a twist if Chrollo would steal Hisokas ability at end of their fight.
If it is to the death, then I doubt it, bungee gum isn't an ability born out of any particular strong or ill feelings, so it won't survive hisoka.
Do you guys really find it hard to follow? I'm asking seriously. I know Togashi's always way wordier on things than he needs to be, but I thought this one was easier to follow than a bunch of his other stuff. Dude can control people, create dolls from people, control dolls, swap appearances and make shit that touches explode. What this will be is just a big ol' game of hide, seek and explode.
Right on cue ;)
It's not really about comprehending those damn abilities, it's about having to juggle them all in your mind while following the fight.
I feel like the person who could predict how this fight is going to resolve should get a Nobel prize.
If it is to the death, then I doubt it, bungee gum isn't an ability born out of any particular strong or ill feelings, so it won't survive hisoka.
Love is one of strongest and often most ill feelings that there can be
Probably the bookmark requires the abilities to be explained to the opponent. We have already seen something very close to that (the bombman in Greed Island) and Chrollo himself mentioned some "annoying requirements".
I really appreciate that their fight taking place in the tower has now a reasonable explanation (Chrollo wanted to be able to use the crowd), as everything always does with Togashi. I love this manga so much.
Like if hisoka ignores or doesn't understand the ability and crolo can't use it because of that.
I think there's some underlying reason to Chrollo's explanations, I don't remember him talking so much before, especially not during that first against the Zoldyck family. It just doesn't suit a logical guy like him.
Well, this all will turn around with Hisoka performing one of his magic tricks.
@TLC:
Right on cue ;)
Dude, suck it up or find another thread to troll. You don't even like this series.
Did I recall it right that Chrollo explaining his abilities is part of his nen conditions?
Nah, the opposite is just one of the conditions for him to steal an ability.
I think it was Gensuru's bomb ability that had that activation requirement.
Hisoka also stood still for like 8 minutes while Chrollo explained it instead of attacking him and denying him time to set up. So…
I tought he just wanted the information and was prudent about attacking Chrollo.
I feel like each ability is Chrollo is playing Yu Gi Oh with Hisoka. Each ability is him activating a magic card, and he has an infinity of humans (his 'monsters') to use in the stadium. i mean the dude can even bring them back from the grave with his doll and control abilities!
As strong as Chrollo seems right now… thinking back to Meryem and Netero you just can't help but feel like he's a total weakling in comparison :P
or his bookmarker needs for the opponent to know the skill.
Wouldn't be surprising. You'd need to explain how the "book" works to steal one's abilities, it would make perfect sense having to explain how the attacks you chose with the bookmark work to actually use them.
This was a good chapter. Chrollo looks even closer to winning, but that isn't really a good sign. I sincerely hope this fight won't turn out to be a 10h "hide n' seek" and that Chrollo finally starts doing something.
Chrollo's comment about "humans" intrigues me. Is he a human?
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It's not really about comprehending those damn abilities, it's about having to juggle them all in your mind while following the fight.
I think I'll have to read this chapter again to truly understand what the hell is going on.
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Oh and the art was really cool too.
i thought the chapter was okay. but i would've definitely liked to see the abilities at work and not get told about them then see how they work. damn it togashi you're not writing a novel. it's a comic, a visual art. "show don't tell".
i mean, both the stamp and body switching abilities would have been much better introduced while they're being used THEN AND ONLY THEN we get an exposition giving us the details about them such as how they work and stuff about their original owners.
actually doing that is much more informative than having a character explain his abilities, because when the exposition is being told to us from the author, he could slip a few facts about the abilities that chrollo himself has yet to know about them, for example why should chrollo know that the stamp doesn't work on human corpses? it could've been told to us that he tested it on humans but it didn't work for a reason he doesn't know, which is told to us.
the explosion ability's mystery about staying active even after it's page is closed could've also been told in a plot twist way as mystery that hisoka figures out by himself.
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I feel like each ability is Chrollo is playing Yu Gi Oh with Hisoka. Each ability is him activating a magic card, and he has an infinity of humans (his 'monsters') to use in the stadium. i mean the dude can even bring them back from the grave with his doll and control abilities!
I totally got that feel too! The one-handed book and card-like bookmark helped give that impression too.
Chrollo's comment about "humans" intrigues me. Is he a human?
I interpreted that as simply cold dissociation from humans. It's not uncommon in extremely intelligent characters to view themselves apart from the rest of humanity.
i thought the chapter was okay. but i would've definitely liked to see the abilities at work and not get told about them then see how they work. damn it togashi you're not writing a novel. it's a comic, a visual art. "show don't tell".
i mean, both the stamp and body switching abilities would have been much better introduced while they're being used THEN AND ONLY THEN we get an exposition giving us the details about them such as how they work and stuff about their original owners.
actually doing that is much more informative than having a character explain his abilities, because when the exposition is being told to us from the author, he could slip a few facts about the abilities that chrollo himself has yet to know about them, for example why should chrollo know that the stamp doesn't work on human corpses? it could've been told to us that he tested it on humans but it didn't work for a reason he doesn't know, which is told to us.
the explosion ability's mystery about staying active even after it's page is closed could've also been told in a plot twist way as mystery that hisoka figures out by himself.
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If I remember well, Chrollo actually needs to be told everything about the ability by its user before he can actually steal it.
We know Togashi really loves narrator expositions so there's a decent possibility Chrollo has an actual reason for explaining everything. Maybe it's a requirement for one of the abilities or maybe he's doing it to keep Hisoka's mind too busy. To show Hisoka he's that much weaker maybe. Maybe it's not just for Hisoka, but for audience itself.
I just had a thought. The audience. Check out all those people watching the fight in arena and on screens, seeing what Chrollo can do and listening to his explanations. Why would he reveal so many of his abilities to everyone watching and everyone they might tell afterwards? Maybe one of the abilities gets stronger the more people see it or hear about it. Maybe there's also an ability that uses up abilities saved in the book, some secret facet of Bandit's Secret?
I interpreted that as simply cold dissociation from humans. It's not uncommon in extremely intelligent characters to view themselves apart from the rrst of humanity.
Yes, you're right. It must be his case too.
If I remember well, Chrollo actually needs to be told everything about the ability by its user before he can actually steal it.
We know Togashi really loves narrator expositions so there's a decent possibility Chrollo has an actual reason for explaining everything. Maybe it's a requirement for one of the abilities or maybe he's doing it to keep Hisoka's mind too busy. To show Hisoka he's that much weaker maybe. Maybe it's not just for Hisoka, but for audience itself.
I just had a thought. The audience. Check out all those people watching the fight in arena and on screens, seeing what Chrollo can do and listening to his explanations. Why would he reveal so many of his abilities to everyone watching and everyone they might tell afterwards? Maybe one of the abilities gets stronger the more people see it or hear about it. Maybe there's also an ability that uses up abilities saved in the book, some secret facet of Bandit's Secret?
There's definitely a reason Chrollo chose this place to have the fight. It seems like it might be just for the number of controllable bodies but I wouldn't be surprised if it was something more.
My othe thinking is that part of Chrollo's explanation is meant to guide Hisoka's thinking in a particular way. The full rules of the revealed powers weren't explained, just enough to sound like it when they're all lined up consecutively.
Voted for Hisoka because I am rooting for him, but I actually think Chrollo is going to win. Togashi is not the kind who makes characters tell his abilities just because, if he is making Chrollo do that is because he is in a situation where there is absolutely no way he is going to lose.
As strong as Chrollo seems right now… thinking back to Meryem and Netero you just can't help but feel like he's a total weakling in comparison
Meruem I can understand, he is so powerful that it doesn't what you throw at him. But I'm not sure what makes Netero so incredible. Sure was unbelievably strong but in a word with so much diverse ability, I think you rate brute strength way to high.
@.access:
Togashi is not the kind who makes characters tell his abilities just because,
Lol. Yes he is, he does it all the time. Explains a full scope of someone's abilities and then destroys the ability forever or kills them.
Meruem I can understand, he is so powerful that it doesn't what you throw at him. But I'm not sure what makes Netero so incredible. Sure was unbelievably strong but in a word with so much diverse ability, I think you rate brute strength way to high.
What made Netero incredible was his Buddha Nen. The flashback explaining how he achieved the Nen and the incredible restriction required to create his nen ability made it the strongest (human) ability we've seen to date. The man basically had a 1000 handed 20 metre tall Star Platinum at his command. Compared to every single other character we've seen in the series, except the Ant King (and even he struggled for a while), Netero is just on a completely other level.
I may be wrong. Ultimately, these 'who would wins' are pointless, but I'd still place my bets on Netero curbstomping any other member of the HxH cast, villain or hero alike.
Though i'd love to hear your suggestions as to exactly what ability could overcome Netero's ridiculously overpowered nen. Even Kurapika, given the chance to use the powers he had against the spiders, would probably lose.
No one has thought this is all set up for the Ryodan to interfere after Hisoka kills everyone in the crowd?
What made Netero so powerful too was the you couldn't really predict him. And that was the whole point of the fight, after thousands of exchanges Meruem was able to read him only twice. And even then he was wrong, because the first time, Netero flexed and told him off, and the second time he told him: fool, I can still pray from Sniper Island. And everything was a set up, because he bombed him either way.
@Tamiel:
What made Netero so powerful too was the you couldn't really predict him. And that was the whole point of the fight, after thousands of exchanges Meruem was able to read him only twice. And even then he was wrong, because the first time, Netero flexed and told him off, and the second time he told him: fool, I can still pray from Sniper Island. And everything was a set up, because he bombed him either way.
Tears…Netero, why you had to die? You could have show us so many great badass fights...RIP
@Tamiel:
What made Netero so powerful too was the you couldn't really predict him. And that was the whole point of the fight, after thousands of exchanges Meruem was able to read him only twice. And even then he was wrong, because the first time, Netero flexed and told him off, and the second time he told him: fool, I can still pray from Sniper Island. And everything was a set up, because he bombed him either way.
Yes, but it was also explained that, as unpredictable and random as the ability was, Netero still instinctively had a a habit or two that did allow an eventual opening for someone skilled enough. And the King was completely holding back so as to not kill him.
Yes, but it was also explained that, as unpredictable and random as the ability was, Netero still instinctively had a a habit or two that did allow an eventual opening for someone skilled enough. And the King was completely holding back so as to not kill him.
I still believe that if the King wouldn't have met Komugi, he wouldn't have been skilled enough to get to the opening. The King's growth as a strategist went up exponentially after his matches. And the reason he got to that opening was because he was insanely tough to begin with.
Back to what actually happened, I think that the battle would've developed in the same manner, but instead of going for his leg/arm, he would have went for his head first.
What made Netero incredible was his Buddha Nen. The flashback explaining how he achieved the Nen and the incredible restriction required to create his nen ability made it the strongest (human) ability we've seen to date. The man basically had a 1000 handed 20 metre tall Star Platinum at his command. Compared to every single other character we've seen in the series, except the Ant King (and even he struggled for a while), Netero is just on a completely other level.
I may be wrong. Ultimately, these 'who would wins' are pointless, but I'd still place my bets on Netero curbstomping any other member of the HxH cast, villain or hero alike.
Though i'd love to hear your suggestions as to exactly what ability could overcome Netero's ridiculously overpowered nen. Even Kurapika, given the chance to use the powers he had against the spiders, would probably lose.
I doubt anything makes Meruem struggles aside from the game he has been playing with the blind girl(I remember loving that he never won).
I doubt you can bitchslap your way out of every situation. There's that Cheetha that had a nen about catching him. Point is Netero nen ability was too straight-forward and brute strength for me to be impressed. In a world were cunning and variability plays quite an important role, his power seems to simply be about whether he is the stronger than his opponent or not.
If I remember well, Chrollo actually needs to be told everything about the ability by its user before he can actually steal it.
We know Togashi really loves narrator expositions so there's a decent possibility Chrollo has an actual reason for explaining everything. Maybe it's a requirement for one of the abilities or maybe he's doing it to keep Hisoka's mind too busy. To show Hisoka he's that much weaker maybe. Maybe it's not just for Hisoka, but for audience itself.
I just had a thought. The audience. Check out all those people watching the fight in arena and on screens, seeing what Chrollo can do and listening to his explanations. Why would he reveal so many of his abilities to everyone watching and everyone they might tell afterwards? Maybe one of the abilities gets stronger the more people see it or hear about it. Maybe there's also an ability that uses up abilities saved in the book, some secret facet of Bandit's Secret?
It would make a lot of sense. Also we did not seen people watching this fight on their TVs if I am not mistaken. Perhaps there are other spiders in the building and they stopped broadcasting of the fight to people outside of tower top.
As for Netero vs any human that we seen till now- with speed of his attacks I do not see any of human characters introduced into story beside Ging and Beyond that could have a chance of beating Netero. Of course we seen 0 or close to 0 from those individuals when it comes to Nen abilities but if Strength-oriented Adult Gon could rival King when it comes to strength then I would say that Ging has a chance to be insanely strong nen user that could rival Netero abilities. Beyond on other hand is Neteros son and as we know new generations almost always surpass previous ones.. Might be case here as well. In hand to many many hands type of a fight I do not see yet anybody who could have a clear chance of beating Netero.
Other characters like Zodiacs might have ability that could put at risk of loosing even Netero, but we were not given extreme hype to any of Zodiacs just yet. Pariston might have some crazy disease nen ability for example that cannot be stopped when it lands at least one attack- that could be dangerous to anyone. Something alike to Fugo ability from JoJo Bizarre part 5.
I doubt anything makes Meruem struggles aside from the game he has been playing with the blind girl(I remember loving that he never won).
I doubt you can bitchslap your way out of every situation. There's that Cheetha that had a nen about catching him. Point is Netero nen ability was too straight-forward and brute strength for me to be impressed. In a world were cunning and variability plays quite an important role, his power seems to simply be about whether he is the stronger than his opponent or not.
Well I disagree by big part with what you try to point out in Neteros character. Do you remember that Netero was cunning enough to pull Meruem into a fight using knowledged aboout Meruems name ? Also that he choosen specified underground location to minimize damage that setting bomb did to area around? Old Netero was strong and smart enough to get a chance to give a fight to somebody who was said before fight to be so much stronger that Netero will not be able to land a single attack. Even if he was sure to loose in direct combat he secured killing his opponent.
It would make a lot of sense. Also we did not seen people watching this fight on their TVs if I am not mistaken. Perhaps there are other spiders in the building and they stopped broadcasting of the fight to people outside of tower top.
Your skepticism saddens me greatly. :sad:
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There was only that one monitor shown. But if there's one, there could be others. If there was a transmission, there will be recordings. I don't see what a rogue group like Phantoms could do to contain the information Chrollo just showed everyone who is looking and anyone who will hear about it indirectly or watch it afterwards. To me it almost seems like he intends to use up or sacrifice those abilities he explained. As if he won't need them any more.
Your skepticism saddens me greatly. :sad:
There was only that one monitor shown. But if there's one, there could be others. If there was a transmission, there will be recordings. I don't see what a rogue group like Phantoms could do to contain the information Chrollo just showed everyone who is looking and anyone who will hear about it indirectly or watch it afterwards. To me it almost seems like he intends to use up or sacrifice those abilities he explained. As if he won't need them any more.
Might be. But at same time Spiders would probably give up their lives for Chrollo so borrowing him their abilities so he can get rid of somebody who constantly wants to kill him makes some sense. Even if everybody will know about basic workings of their Nen abilities if it comes up to fighting I dont think that Troupe members abilities - who has what - are known in public - so Chrollo using and explaining them might not lead those abilities to later on be useless in battle for Spiders originally having them.
Togashi loves to explain the abilities. But the characters usually don't.