Togashi is the type of writer where this legitimately could go either way, with that said however, I want Hisoka to come out on top.
Hiatus x Hiatus III: Goodnight, Sweet Princes
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For those saying "the pacing is out of nowhere", bear in mind last week's chapter finished up the setup for its arc, and also rounded out that volume finally.
This chapter is the start of a new volume, and so its an exciting way to start the section. Depending on how long this fight goes, and assuming one of these characters is actually involved in the next arc, it's placement should be fine and make sense overall.
! My money is on Hisoka. Narratively, he has a stronger connection to Gon and has been around the entire series. Kurapika meanwhile has pretty much finished hunting down the eyes and soooort of dealt with his whole vengeance thing. He's tracked down and fairly dealt with Chrollo before, and his power makes him so utterly broken against the spiders that another confrontation between those two isn't a major issue. ANd the spiders aren't even going to revenge hunt Kurapika down because in death his nen curse might get them even worse. SO they aren't actively hunting him, and he's no longer actively hunting them (just… someday) AND most of the spiders have been made into likeable characters we don't really want to see dead...
! If the series didn't have constant breaks we could get a couple red herrings along the way, but for all intents and purposes, Chrollo has served his role in the story. Unless the spiders are going to be a big presence in the new world, there's not going to be much narrative chance to run into them again.
! Of course, Gon and Killua are both sort of out of the story at the moment so hooking in Hisoka is tricky too.
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Both this characters take their word seriously. So them deciding on a Death match means we're guaranteed the death of one of them.
oh they will try to kill each other (except when chrollo had the chance to blow up hisoka and he didn't for some reason). but my theory is that something will stop them from doing so. i personally don't wish to see either of these characters die, but if have to choose, then i want hisoka to win.
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Joining #TeamChrollo.
! I didn't expect this epic turn of events… nobody did. It hypes me a lot, as I know this fight is ought to be one of the greatest we've ever seen (in Hunter x Hunter, at least) - two great fighters, combat geniuses, delivering a monstrous battle on one of the highest floors of the Sky Tower !
! The art in this chapter was nice - I mean, I don't usually pay attention to that, especially when I read H x H scans (insisting on this), but this was one of the first things I noticed. This made me wonder for how long the author had been planning this. And by "this", I mean the fight in general - not only the mere drawings, but the setup.
Did he tell himself "I'm going to draw that at this particular moment" ? Or did he just place it in an arc that has nothing to do with it because he felt like it ? Doubt that.
There is a golden rule stating that "in a story, nothing is a coincidence". This very-battle will have a repercussion on the following events - for I am convinced of that. Who knows : maybe a Prince is looking at this fight, from the rostrums, to decide who he'd hire as a bodyguard.
Or maybe someone will tell the winner about the Dark Continent… possibilities are infinite.
! Let's talk about the fight in itself, shall we ?
What I find impressive is the fact that we cannot determine for sure who would win. Think about it ! We could guess the issue of other battles due to plot reasons, but in this case… we know nothing. I like that.
Regardless, I'm placing my bets on the victory of Chrollo. What about you ? I'd find interesting to add a poll to this thread, basically : "Who do you think would win ?".
Would that be possible ?
! I'm glad the two fighters managed to override the initial Sky Tower rules (you know… that "clean hit", "knockout hid" leading to a certain amount of points nonsense ?) by declaring a death match (and that sentence sounded cynical as hell...). I just can't wait to see how this battle will go... the first few hits were already so impressive !
I believe it is the first time I've seen Hisoka struggle in a serious fight (because his fight against Kastro wasn't that serious, was it ?). Poor guy didn't understand what struck him at first, ha ha.
! Chrollo's nen abilities are perfect. I'm impressed and can't help but wonder what the other techniques are…
And of course, I can't wait to read the next chapters. ~ -
If nothing else, this author knows how to excite his audience! I definitely enjoyed every bit of that, and am looking forward to the next installment!
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Joining #TeamHisoka.
Everything for my favourite psycho pervert.Seriously, though, this chapter shocked me. Not only do I really think Kuroro is in desperate need of a shower and makeover (he's drawn really badly compared to how he was drawn before while Hisoka still looks like himself), I don't want either of these two characters to die.
And I too was surprised about the stolen ability - has he borrowed it from Shalnark or did something seriously wrong go down?
And why is Kuroro a floormaster? It makes no sense, given his personality. No one in his team knows where he dissapears to when the jobs are over but he's just… picking fights, being on national tv? A bit too OOC for my taste. I could understand if Hisoka just forced him to it but if he's a floormaster that seems unlikely.
And stuff.I don't mind them jumping to the arena and a fight between Kuroro and Hisoka has been in the works for quite some time now but like this?
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Chrollo had to agree to fight Hisoka in order to get Hisoka to help him by hunting down a nen cleanser. SO they probably set a time and a place.
And with his power and skill level I'm sure he could me made a floor champion within just a handful of demonstration fights. It's not like it would take him years to achieve the rank.
He also yes, might have been a floor champion before anyway, thats a good place to scout and meet powerful fighters after all.
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My hype reduced somewhat during the fight, encountering page after page of explanations of abilities and how Chrollo uses them. Hope the entire fight isn't like this. Maybe leave something for the narrator to explain?
I'd bank on Hisoka solely because I don't want to see Chrollo and his multiple complex abilities in a fight again. But Hisoka is the more important character of the 2, someone who keeps growing with every fight. Chrollo here feels like a character who will cycle through his abilities just to checklist them before he dies.
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I think I'm Team Chrollo. But I don't want either of them to die!
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so this is the chapter.. it's weird for me too see chrollo with his messy hair.. usually he has it slicked backwards..
and i don't want either of them to die.. i love them both.. they're in my favorite character group.. do something togashi.. -
I can't see Chrollo winning. Hisoka is a bigger part of the story.
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If one them is going to die( Togashi definitely can), it seems obvious Hisoka will be the one to survive.
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What if no one dies? I know this is stupid considering this is that kind of manga, but…What if?
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Like Hisoka loses the interest or something, maybe. Or the one that dies actually survives thanks to his own or a 3rd party ability. Chrollo might have planned something like that in case Hisoka turns out to be too much. It would be a good way to take him off his back, at least for a while.
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So Chrollo was hinted to be around as strong as Zeno, maybe even bit stronger.
At same time we had Zeno saying that our beloved Netero was stronger than him.. Hmm…We had also a hint that Hisoka was after Chrollo for a pretty long time with those silly panels of one running after the other.
I would bet my money on Hisoka if one is set to win by killing the other. He is master of one ability and his thinking process is possibly faster thanks to that.
Chrollo has more weapons to use but most likely he does not have as good mastery as Hisoka has over any of his nen powers. He is tricky but as dangerous as it is its also two edged sword. All in All it is really nice of Togashi to give us this fight after such long wait. That stuff getting animated one day will be awesome to watch after way more years.. I forgot how much I enjoyed some parts of this manga/anime. What a joy to be reading this stuff.. -
Dream scenario is that Hisoka wins. Then there is an arc where he and Kurapika team up against the rest of the Troupe tracking them down. Throw in Gon and some other 3rd party characters and that would be incredible.
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There's an offer to get the last batch of chapters before the break that just ended for 6$ in English WSJ, but I can't seem to access it because I'm paying from otuside where I should be. Any ideas?
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For those saying "the pacing is out of nowhere", bear in mind last week's chapter finished up the setup for its arc, and also rounded out that volume finally.
This chapter is the start of a new volume, and so its an exciting way to start the section. Depending on how long this fight goes, and assuming one of these characters is actually involved in the next arc, it's placement should be fine and make sense overall.
I still think the transition could have been smoother (last chapter ended with a random, ominous shot of that nen spirit pot thingy, then suddenly Hisoka tournament fight), but yeah, it's not a big deal, however I do think that fight could have used some setup beforehand instead of jumping straight into it.
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This chapter feels like the editor paid a visit to Togashi's house and told him for the love of god to make something happen.
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Two little boys showing each other their penises and commenting on them. :D
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I'm assuming Hisoka is going to use his texture change thing on the book and that's how he'll win
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I'm assuming Hisoka is going to use his texture change thing on the book and that's how he'll win
Wouldn't feel right if he won by using old tricks. Maybe gain a slight advantage, but that's it.
An opponent of this caliber definitely deserves a new and interesting variation of Hisoka's ability.
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Chrollo must have prepared himself for this for a long time. Every since Hisoka started running after him.
He has picked his abilities carefully after analysis his opponent. And with a power like this, being prepared to a fight gives you a larger advantage on your opponent. -
i'd have to agree with what was said here. having one nen ability completely mastered is much more beneficial than an arsenal of abilities with little experience in.
especially a nen ability like bungee gum, it literally makes hisoka spider-man, and it's very useful to pull things or people towards him. things like books for example, although i don't know what would happen to chrollo's book if it was snatched away from him. but it could atleast be used to disrupt chrollo from using his stored powers.the book is actually more of liability to chrollo, it requires too much attention from him. something you can't spare when you're in battle with one of the fastest and wittiest characters in HXH, all hisoka needs is just a slight moment of distraction to finish off his opponent.
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Question for those of you who have been reading this series, would it be worth trying to get back into and catch up with? I read this series many years ago and got a certain point into the Chimera Ant arc. I remember liking the series overall but the Chimera Ant arc didn't grab me and that's when the first hiatus started I believe, or close to it. Is it worth reading again through that arc? I'm hesitant to read all the way through, because I don't want to be in the hell of having a dangling plot line then waiting for God knows when a new chapter comes out.
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Watch the anime instead. It has the story but with good art and pacing and it gets to within 10 chapters of where we currently are.
And yes, it's probably worth catching up. It has good stuff and bad stuff, but is overall decent. Better in the anime where the narration is less annoying.
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They started showing it on Toonami. If you're in the U.S. watch it there
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It was really cool seeing Chrollo again and also finding out he was one of the floor leaders in Heaven's Arena. I doubt either he or Hisoka will actually die during this fight to the death as they have other story related fights we're waiting on and things to do that requires them to both survive but I think it's still going to be intense. We've never had a fight between two opponents so evenly matched before I don't think or at least with this level of power so this is really exciting.
Very good chapter this week.
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Dream scenario is that Hisoka wins. Then there is an arc where he and Kurapika team up against the rest of the Troupe tracking them down. Throw in Gon and some other 3rd party characters and that would be incredible.
Sorry but I wouldn't enjoy that at all.
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Question for those of you who have been reading this series, would it be worth trying to get back into and catch up with? I read this series many years ago and got a certain point into the Chimera Ant arc. I remember liking the series overall but the Chimera Ant arc didn't grab me and that's when the first hiatus started I believe, or close to it. Is it worth reading again through that arc? I'm hesitant to read all the way through, because I don't want to be in the hell of having a dangling plot line then waiting for God knows when a new chapter comes out.
The series is heading to its climax so you should definitely catch up. You can read it or watch the anime, whichever suits you best.
i'd have to agree with what was said here. having one nen ability completely mastered is much more beneficial than an arsenal of abilities with little experience in.
especially a nen ability like bungee gum, it literally makes hisoka spider-man, and it's very useful to pull things or people towards him. things like books for example, although i don't know what would happen to chrollo's book if it was snatched away from him. but it could atleast be used to disrupt chrollo from using his stored powers.I'm pretty sure Chrollo masters the abilities he has chosen perfectly. Studied them to take advantage of his opponent in the battle. I mean, he didn't chose them "because they were cool" or something, but because he knew who he was fighting - precisely. And having such abilities, as I said before, gives you a neat advantage on your opponent if you know him and his combat style.
the book is actually more of liability to chrollo, it requires too much attention from him. something you can't spare when you're in battle with one of the fastest and wittiest characters in HXH, all hisoka needs is just a slight moment of distraction to finish off his opponent.
Too much attention ? Come on, with this bookmark thing, he doesn't even need to hold his book to use abilities.
And he will never betray a moment of distraction - or at least that's what I'm deducing from this chapter, where he was literally dominating Hisoka and the only reason he didn't kill him (and everybody in this tower) was because he was "too nice". -
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! Wait, what? So Chrollo stole Shalnark's ability?
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Probably borrowed it. He should have a way to give the ability back if he wants to.
For those saying "the pacing is out of nowhere", bear in mind last week's chapter finished up the setup for its arc, and also rounded out that volume finally.
This chapter is the start of a new volume, and so its an exciting way to start the section. Depending on how long this fight goes, and assuming one of these characters is actually involved in the next arc, it's placement should be fine and make sense overall.
! My money is on Hisoka. Narratively, he has a stronger connection to Gon and has been around the entire series. Kurapika meanwhile has pretty much finished hunting down the eyes and soooort of dealt with his whole vengeance thing. He's tracked down and fairly dealt with Chrollo before, and his power makes him so utterly broken against the spiders that another confrontation between those two isn't a major issue. ANd the spiders aren't even going to revenge hunt Kurapika down because in death his nen curse might get them even worse. SO they aren't actively hunting him, and he's no longer actively hunting them (just… someday) AND most of the spiders have been made into likeable characters we don't really want to see dead...
! If the series didn't have constant breaks we could get a couple red herrings along the way, but for all intents and purposes, Chrollo has served his role in the story. Unless the spiders are going to be a big presence in the new world, there's not going to be much narrative chance to run into them again.
! Of course, Gon and Killua are both sort of out of the story at the moment so hooking in Hisoka is tricky too.
! Either way we're going to get someone's arc violently ended here.Now that you mention it, it´s not like Hisoka has had a lot of importance in the plot lately.
He kind of served has a paragon of power in the past, but since Greed Island he has been mostly absent. Even in the election arc he was mostly Illuminati´s companion, even though I guess their relation and the fact that the arc was focused on one of the Zoald family members required it.
For a lot of people, he isn´t even a villain anymore (which I kind of disagree).His neutral personality makes him a useful plot tool. He has enough flexibility to be both a likeable antagonist and ally depending on the moment, but I can´t see a lot of purpose for him right now.
With this being said
#TeamHisoka
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Too much attention ? Come on, with this bookmark thing, he doesn't even need to hold his book to use abilities.
And he will never betray a moment of distraction - or at least that's what I'm deducing from this chapter, where he was literally dominating Hisoka and the only reason he didn't kill him (and everybody in this tower) was because he was "too nice".Not sure about that.
He mentioned that for full effect the marks should be pressed for 5 seconds.
Given the context, I´m not even sure if the could have fulfilled that time frame. But yes, he could have probably caused a slighly bigger explosion.
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Not sure about that.
He mentioned that for full effect the marks should be pressed for 5 seconds.
Given the context, I´m not even sure if the could have fulfilled that time frame. But yes, he could have probably caused a slighly bigger explosion.
The question is, wouldn´t that affect him as well?5 seconds would be enough - plus Hisoka didn't even know what he was doing.
I guess the explosion would affect him, but he could have an ability allowing him to escape / withstand it. -
Regardless of preferences, I'd prefer to see Hisoka find a way to counter multiple different abilities over seeing Chrollo dominate Hisoka simply because he has too many abilities.
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I'd think having too many abilities is actually a major weakness. You have all those options and things you can do, sure. (And the fact that Chrollo has a Spider ability means he may have borrowed the entire team beforehand.)
But you're constantly having to think about the ability and what it does, and what you can do next and what combines with things, and just keeping track of many different juggling plates? Too many choices can screw you up, especially if you're not comfortable with all of them and you're being pressured. Compared to an ability that you use all the time and have mastered and know a ton of sneaky implications for?
As someone pointed out already, if Hisoka manages to get the book and change the appearance of a page, that simple trick will do the job. (Does Chrollo even know Hisoka can do that?)
Chrollo is too proud. He already had the chance to blow Hisoka up at the very start and didn't take it, and he's explaining in detail what his abilities are, monologuing if you will, when keeping those advantages secret is a major advantage.
(I know, thats a law shonen battles have in general where the villains explain their abilities at length for no good reason… but it'd work better if the other characters figured it out as they went rather than just be told about every single strength and then just plow through it.)
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What was kuroro'a ritual for sealing nen?
I do think that no one has seen the texture power. Its the subtle one.
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What was kuroro'a ritual for sealing nen?
I do think that no one has seen the texture power. Its the subtle one.
You mean how he got rid of Kurapika´s chain thing?
It was that black guy in Greed Island, the nen-remover that survived the bombs the Bomb Devil planted in that group. -
Going with Hisoka, but wouldn't be surprised at all if Hisoka ends being the one to bite it.
Only way I see this stopping is if an upper tier Prince intervenes and offers a deal good enough to make both of them stay their hand. Though, knowing the princes, they will just wait for one of them to kill the other, and take whoever is strongest.
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I prefer Chrollo's dynamic within the story more, but that's probably only because of his Troupe position. If something's happened to remove him from them too much, then I wouldn't care either way. I do feel that Togashi likes drawing Hisoka infinitely more though. That's probably what it will come down to if he's only planning on keeping one around.
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Doesn't Abenganes ability involve being stuck with a nen beast (devil or that sludge like thingy?). Can't seem to see it.
"You either die a villain, or live long enough to see yourself become the hero." - Vegeta, Hero Slayer Garou, most MLP villains etc.
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Finally 9 years I've been waiting for this fight never thought it would happen. Chrollo a floor master never expected that and he's got even more powerful looking forward to see him using 2 abilitys at once. If there's a winner hoping for a Hisoka win since he's my favorite character. Couldn't Chrollo and Spiders already be working for the 4th prince?
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I rember you hating people with different abilities losing because they don't control them well enough.
Jack of all trades, master of none. People with multiple abilities are often misused in fiction.
In this case, and many others, having multiple abilities can become a liability fast. Especially against someone as dangerous as Hisoka. Far from it that Chrollo is unprepared to juggle multiple abilities but chances he won't make a single mistake through the whole fight are close to 0.
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As someone pointed out already, if Hisoka manages to get the book and change the appearance of a page, that simple trick will do the job. (Does Chrollo even know Hisoka can do that?)
I think he does. Hisoka removed the fake tattoo in front of him.
Can Hisoka do that though? It's a materialized book not an actual one. If Hisoka shuts the book through bungee gum Danchou can just dematerialize it and then rematerialize it, etc. Bigger possibility is Hisoka sticking Danchou's left and right hands together thereby exploding them.
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I think he does. Hisoka removed the fake tattoo in front of him.
Can Hisoka do that though? It's a materialized book not an actual one. If Hisoka shuts the book through bungee gum Danchou can just dematerialize it and then rematerialize it, etc. Bigger possibility is Hisoka sticking Danchou's left and right hands together thereby exploding them.
! "Random" Hisoka fan art that I found today
I think we assume that we know all of what Hisoka now can do with his ability and it is very likely not true. Chrollo learned new things, so very likely it is same for Hisoka.
Also we did not seen Hisoka being put into near death fight as this one surely will be.Hisoka for me is specialist with Razor and Chrollo is all round weapons expert - he is not as good in using any of those weapons as Hisoka is with his single one.
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In this case, and many others, having multiple abilities can become a liability fast. Especially against someone as dangerous as Hisoka. Far from it that Chrollo is unprepared to juggle multiple abilities but chances he won't make a single mistake through the whole fight are close to 0.
Same goes for Hisoka doesn't it ?
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I think I will stick with Team Hisoka. Reason?
Hisokas death would not have any story driving impulse because nobody in the world would care about it.
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Same goes for Hisoka doesn't it ?
How? Hisoka has one ability that has I think 2 different uses and a natural ability for slight of hand, misdirection and crazy strength? He's just creative with a smaller skill set.
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Doesn't Abenganes ability involve being stuck with a nen beast (devil or that sludge like thingy?). Can't seem to see it.
The beast is the manifestation of the nen he removes.
He got stuck with Bomb devils bomb and removed it. That´s how the first his nen beast showed up.
The form of the beast changes according to the strength of the nen removed.In GI Hisoka stated that he was looking for someone that could remove Kurapika´s chain from Chrollo and in the final panel of him in GI he is with Abengane (didn´t recall his name).
Iĺl try looking for it.
Edit: it´s this one. Was easier than I expected
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Why make me choose? I don't like maniacs XD
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If anything I don't really expect this to be a fight to the death. Cause believably I can't see Hisoka winning, but I can't see him dying either. This fight will be interrupted for sure.
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How? Hisoka has one ability that has I think 2 different uses and a natural ability for slight of hand, misdirection and crazy strength? He's just creative with a smaller skill set.
I should have quoted only the part I was actually replying too, which was:
"but chances he won't make a single mistake through the whole fight are close to 0." Hisoka has as much chances commiting fatal mistakes as Chrollo. If it isn't more.36 to 6 ?? Come___ on!!!!
