Ah, so the other form of Barry the chopper did show up. I think it felt more weighty here, too. I skimmed through the first 15 chapters again and I think l get what my problem is. The emotional hooks don't work for various reasons. There is no full flashback for Ed and Al, it's all scattered. Nina IS pretty much discovered right away, no suspicion or playful fun times with her and Hughes literally has few pages of screentime. Imagine if Luffy just had a page of Shanks saving him as the backstory at first and then a few moments he'd flash back to. That kind of storytelling doesn't work for me. But this 2003 version's pretty solid so far.
Full Metal Alchemist Discussion
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On a semi-related note, just saw this:
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The only thing I prefer about the original anime is that the OG (original Greed) had more screen time and I thought he was perdy cool.
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That and the OST for the original is better.
I've seen both series and am currently going through the manga for the first time. I think the manga material the '03 anime covers is done better than in Brotherhood. Overall Brotherhood is better though.
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FMA was a great anime, probably one of the best ever made.
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Well, almost done, at episode 42. I'm not sure what to think of Scar overall, need to think about that a little, but I like that his desire for revenge isn't completely condemned. He does horrible things, but it's at least understandable. I liked the bit with the two prisoners, too. Moral complexity is always nice. Also, I think the most respectful take on rape I've seen in anime so far. It's appropriate to the tone of the story and the themes it's dealing with. Pretty solid story.
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I think the manga material the '03 anime covers is done better than in Brotherhood. Overall Brotherhood is better though.
That's because, as stated earlier in the thread, Brotherhood assumed everyone had already seen the original, and wisely chose to speed through the repeating material.
If they hadn't Brotherhood would have been 20 episodes longer, and the first 25 episodes of both shows would be nearly identical outside of the filler.
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Well, that explains why I didn't care about the anime either. The "rushed" effect was even worse there, just felt like a string of plot points even the first episode. From a story-telling POV, pretty terrible, but I guess the intention for that version was just fanservice for manga fans, correct? While the original did it's own thing with the material avaliable at the time. What was the point where the 2003 ver completely stopped following the manga, if anyone knows?
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What was the point where the 2003 ver completely stopped following the manga, if anyone knows?
They start varying pretty wildly in a lot of little things pretty quick (like Scar being at secret bunker for instance) but they full blown separate after episode 26, Hughes' death. From that point on 2003 does basically its own thing with Greed and the philosopher's stone and where the homoculi come from, though a few things here and there still overlap like the secret identity of one of the sins, Izumi and their father showing back up… but more from sheer story momentum than actual planned overlap.
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and I'm done. The parallel universe thing is kind of wierd, but it's there to make a point at least. In the end I don't think there was a "right" way and that's the most interesting thing about the series to me; because Dante made some good points, while the law of equivelent exchange isn't perfect either. Yeah, that was really good overall.
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I never understood how Ed transformed himself into philosopher stone and the nakama powerup after Al "died".
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It is announced that there going to be a live-adaptation movie for Fullmetal Alchemist.
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That sounds awful.
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It looks like something that I would wish to unsee.
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No matter how hard I try, I just can't imagine it not being crap.
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Incidentally, FMA is one of the few famous manga properties that could be reasonably converted to Hollywood live-action.
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Alchemy is hard to make look realistic good.
Al migth be complicated. A guy in armor in all those situations that he gets himself.
The climate is not ripe for a dark skinned fundamentalist religious killer. Even against the Nazi light.
How do you make Nina rigth?
Where do you cut it off? Ed doesn't get many victories in the series. The first scar clash? The battle against the first greed? Father's reveal?
And there is the track record.
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Al could be a CGI Character.
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The only major anime property I could see with a good live-action adaptation would be Death Note. Anything else would either be too mundane or too fantastic to translate well. Appearances and special effects are always better drawn or animated than trying to look fully-realistic, so any adaptation needs to be based on a series in which the focus is on a strong plot and grounded characters, not the art or action. And avoid protagonist-hair too.
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give me Vic Mignogna dressed as EdThe only major anime property I could see with a good live-action adaptation would be Death Note..
There actually is one, IIRC.
I remember saying back in 2009 or so that Prince of Tennis would work well too (and it does have one, too!), because….it's just Japanese teens playing tennis.
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Sounds awful, but you never know, it might turn out decently. But probably not.
Al could be a CGI Character.
And now I'm imagining Al as some Baymax-esque thing. On that note it'd be kinda neat to see a manga adapted into a Pixar type thing.
The only major anime property I could see with a good live-action adaptation would be Death Note. Anything else would either be too mundane or too fantastic to translate well. Appearances and special effects are always better drawn or animated than trying to look fully-realistic, so any adaptation needs to be based on a series in which the focus is on a strong plot and grounded characters, not the art or action. And avoid protagonist-hair too.
There's actually a pretty big amount of live action adaptations, they just don't really garner much awareness in the west - for instance Boku dake ga Inai Machi(ERASED) has a new live action film out right now but you don't really see it talked about, just the anime. They're usually terrible(e.g. Shingeki no Kyoujin) but for example Rurouni Kenshin live action was pretty good.
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Live action adaption is the bane of my soul.
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Murika could do a decent live action movie of FMA imo.
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Murika could do a decent live action movie of FMA imo.
A trilogy maybe.
Single movie would have to cut A LOT of the stuff out.
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Fullmetal alchemist was an epic manga that always had a special place in my heart. Please, let it stay that way.
Will it be that hard not to watch it ?
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Live action adaption is the bane of my soul.
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Fullmetal alchemist was an epic manga that always had a special place in my heart. Please, let it stay that way.
I never understood how people think an adaption can "ruin" the original. Especially if it's an already extremely famous story. They might miss out on more exposure, though, even more the less famous series.
A live-action movie isn't going to "ruin" your Dragon Ball or Attack On Titan or Full Metal Alchemist. These are already very famous stories. Even with less famous stories, the original will always exist. Don't really get it n.n;
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I never understood how people think an adaption can "ruin" the original. Especially if it's an already extremely famous story. They might miss out on more exposure, though, even more the less famous series.
A live-action movie isn't going to "ruin" your Dragon Ball or Attack On Titan or Full Metal Alchemist. These are already very famous stories. Even with less famous stories, the original will always exist. Don't really get it n.n;
The key point is that they are finished stories.
I mean, if it weren't for Game of Thrones show, maybe we would have already read the next book.
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Even with unfinished stories (AoT is one), it's just a different version of the story. Unless the author comes out and says that it's how the story actually goes or something. Even then, you can still just go back to the original if you don't like that version.
For example, I tried reading the FMA manga and watching the FMA: Brotherhood anime again, but in the end it didn't really grab me as the 2003 anime did, but that doesn't really effect my opinion of the 2003 anime at all.
I do get the frustration of maybe alienating some possible new fans, though (unless that's straight-up what you mean, then sorry, misunderstood it) - maybe they won't ever give the respective series that got a live action movie a chance at all? Still doesn't effect the actual quality of the series to me, though.
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give me Vic Mignogna dressed as EdThere actually is one, IIRC.
I remember saying back in 2009 or so that Prince of Tennis would work well too (and it does have one, too!), because….it's just Japanese teens playing tennis.
Except for when they use implausible techniques that allow them to hit balls that curve out of
but then go in bounds or methaphorically kill the dinosaurs:ninja:That aside I'm shocked it took this long for them to decide on a live action FMA movie.
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Fullmetal alchemist was an epic manga that always had a special place in my heart. Please, let it stay that way.
The 2003 anime didn't sully the manga's reputation I don't think this movie will.
I've often wondered about that myself; seems like being supported by people who only want you there so the world can end in fire (with you going to Hell in the process) would be somewhat off-putting
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The 2003 anime didn't sully the manga's reputation I don't think this movie will.
But the 2003 anime was good, until the changed up plot. And even that wasn't so bad besides the weirdo ending. I'd argue that the beginning of FMA 2003 was better than Brotherhood, because they had more time to pace it better. Beyond that, it was well beloved until Brotherhood came around and overshadowed it by remaining true to the then-completed story. It's definitely how I got interested in the series.
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^ Don't disagree on that it just got needlessly more bleak, depressing, & harsh as it deviated from the manga.
I've often wondered about that myself; seems like being supported by people who only want you there so the world can end in fire (with you going to Hell in the process) would be somewhat off-putting
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I really don't want them to tarnish this series with a live action film
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^ Don't disagree on that it just got needlessly more bleak, depressing, & harsh as it deviated from the manga.
Seriously. It's like the writers saw the Nina story and figured it should set the tone for the entire show.
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Seriously. It's like the writers saw the Nina story and figured it should set the tone for the entire show.
So many gut punches so little time.
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There's live action anime films all the time, they just don't get much push in the west.
The Death Note films are probaboly actually better than the manga, because it leaves out the Near and Mello crap, and has a much better final showdown with L.
The Phoenix Wright movie was good as well.
ANyway, I overall prefer the 2003 anime for FMA. The tone and pacing is overall stronger, and made good choices such as the ELrics being around for the birth of Hugh's daughter rather than a random baby, kept the overall core cast tighter (whereas the manga branched off into about 10 more characters vying for screen time in the second half) and I much prefer the origin of the sins… and the built in consequence to that, and Wrath and Sloth in the anime were better than the manga's versions of Pride and Sloth. Mixed on Greed 2.0.
If the 2003 anime hadn't had such a terrible ending it'd be a really difficult choice between which series was better, they both have their strengths and weaknesses.
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If the 2003 anime hadn't had such a terrible ending it'd be a really difficult choice between which series was better, they both have their strengths and weaknesses.
A terrible ending that setup a movie which seemed like it was done to placate people who didn't like how the anime ended but only made things worse.
I've often wondered about that myself; seems like being supported by people who only want you there so the world can end in fire (with you going to Hell in the process) would be somewhat off-putting
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The underlying plot of the manga is leagues better than the 2003 anime's. I really like the tone of the 2003 anime and that they spent time supplementing certain stories and characters, but the character arcs and endings of the source material resonate so much more with me than anything in the first adaptation.
I think it's ridiculous, though, to think that the 2003 anime would have 'sullied' the reputation of the series when, for a lot of people, it made it. I'm not sure Brotherhood would have had the impact it did if the 2003 anime didn't build a substantial western audience first.
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A terrible ending that setup a movie which seemed like it was done to placate people who didn't like how the anime ended but only made things worse.
But regardless, the actual first 50 episodes of the series were solid,and were most people's introduction to the franchise, it was only the last two where it went south because the explanation for what was beyond the gate was terrible… and FMA is hardly the first great anime to have a bizarro final couple episodes. The production quality was high in terms of animation and soundtrack, it was not by any means an overall bad product that sullied the franchise.
When you compare it to the likes of Negima, or Sailor Moon Crystal, or even the current state of One Piece, it was not by any stretch of the animation something that hurt the franchise in any way.
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^ Point taken .
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Personally, I prefer Brotherhood by a mile, but then again, I haven't gotten through the entirety of the 2003 series.
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I really loved 2003 - unlike many, I even loved the ending, but there was some ehh stuff, like some of the stand-alone episodes in the beginning of the series in there. The manga and Brotherhood just seemed kinda weightless all the times I've tried to get into them. Before and after watching the 2003 story.
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Just stumbled onto this post. I actually approve of some of the choices. Some, not so much.
Epic Bradley choice, though.
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Umm… okay. I don't have any nice thing to say,
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Tom Selleck as King Bradley…..fans self furiously
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FMA live action will turn out as cheesy crap like most of these live action adaptations, too bad.
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I can't really complain. I never watch these live action movies anyway. Just hope Hollywood never makes a crack at it.
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Just stumbled onto this post. I actually approve of some of the choices. Some, not so much.
Epic Bradley choice, though.
Why would you use Qui-Gon Jinn as your go to picture for Liam Neeson? That's like using Mario Teaches Typing as your example of a Mario game.
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