oh so we're at a dilemma now.
we have a glif in zou that will point to either of the two glifs but they're possibly taken from their position by the yonkos which means the SH will only have one line out of the x.
but the problem comes from glifs in the possession of yonkos. without getting them the third one would never be revealed, which in turn kept one piece from being discovered until someone comes to break the status quo.
damn things are getting exciting :D
Chapter 818: In The Whale
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@uniaka:
Zoro defeated nothing on par with Jack. If Jack escaped from a fight with 2 admiral level people and best vice admiral, how is zoro good enough to defeat him?
What happened during that encounter again?
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We had 3 of Supernova captains(4 supernovas with Killer) being put against Kaido.
I dont believe that they didnt fought at all. Most likely 2 things played very big role in their fight - small size of Island and fact that they were most likely unable to wound Kaido. If next time we see Kaido and he has even small scar/ wound from for example Kidds attack it woud be very impressive. Maybe they launched him of the island somehow and escaped before he gotten back.. Luffy fighting Kaido and Kidd getting to know about it would be great to see. Also I want Kidd to play even bigger role than Law did till now. He is possibly most interesting Supernova for me.
Putting 2 Supernovas against Jack who is one of 3 strongest Kaido subordinates and dealing with him in just few chapters really does make more sense than Luffy going at it and getting into extremely hard fight again. Hyping up teamwork and value of alliance with Law would do more good than Luffy vs Jack one one one.
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What happened during that encounter again?
They had a fight, jack sunk 2 of their ships and jack was forced to retreat, but wasn t defeated. There is no reason to think marines hold back.
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Personally, I don't think there will be a major fight in Zou. Luffy is not going to unleash Gear 4 and/or 5 and destroy what is left of Zou after Ninja pointed that the City is a pale shadow of it's former self. But that is my personal opinion, am not going to shove that opinion down everyone throat and laugh at anyone that disagrees.
I share your opinion. I have a hard time seeing Luffy go all out in an already damaged city, on top of a living being, no matter how hard elephant's skin is. He's bound to feel something if Luffy starts pounding on him with hardened elephant guns.
And if they both can't go all out, what kind of a fight is it going to be?
Maybe Jack arrives when Sunny is about to leave and Zou becomes unimportant to him. Then starts pursuing them. It would be nice to see a more exposed naval battle and Nami would have a chance to use her knowledge for the escape.
Sure is a good thing Jack didn't find out about RPG in the whale.
I wonder if Pekoms knows about it and how it would affect his position in BMPs if BM found one of the RPG's was on Zou, regardless if he knew about it or not. At the very least, it would put him into a thight spot.
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@uniaka:
Zoro defeated nothing on par with Jack. If Jack escaped from a fight with 2 admiral level people and best vice admiral, how is zoro good enough to defeat him?
But whatever, I guess badass characters get hype for nothing…
Nothing was said in the news about Jack defeating a admiral and Jack must have been knocked in the water or knocked out since they reported him dead and he stopped attacking them which means they retreated.
You're forgetting that Luffy escaped the war when he had the entire marine force including the 3 admirals plus fleet admiral and the warlords wanting to kill him which is more impressive than Jack running from only 2 admirals also if Jack got knocked out or in the water than someone from his crew would have saved him just like Luffy was saved.
The supernovas were able to escape kizaru and kuma before the time skip if Jack was as strong as you say he is then he would have rescued Doflamingo even when Jack's crew bragged about his bounty Jack himself told them to stop after all a lot of his bounty would have been given to him like kids was since he goes around killing innocent people and then he tortures them.
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@sanji''s_dad:
Nothing was said in the news about Jack defeating a admiral and Jack must have been knocked in the water or knocked out since they reported him dead and he stopped attacking them which means they retreated.
You're forgetting that Luffy escaped the war when he had the entire marine force including the 3 admirals plus fleet admiral and the warlords wanting to kill him which is more impressive than Jack running from only 2 admirals also if Jack got knocked out or in the water than someone from his crew would have saved him just like Luffy was saved.
The supernovas were able to escape kizaru and kuma before the time skip if Jack was as strong as you say he is then he would have rescued Doflamingo even when Jack's crew bragged about his bounty Jack himself told them to stop after all a lot of his bounty would have been given to him like kids was since he goes around killing innocent people and then he tortures them.
Shanks stopped the war, if it wasn't for him they would have killed Luffy and Law and everyone
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@uniaka:
Zoro defeated nothing on par with Jack. If Jack escaped from a fight with 2 admiral level people and best vice admiral, how is zoro good enough to defeat him?
But whatever, I guess badass characters get hype for nothing…
OH WOW! Jack escaped from a fight! WOW! He must be super strong!
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OH WOW! Jack escaped from a fight! WOW! He must be super strong!
Am I really the one getting hyped over nothing ?He had a fight and escaped before defeat from 3 top marine fighters, we know how those guys role from the war. And he did fight them, not just escaped.
And that is on top of his 5 days battle with a nation of Zoans.
But fine, think zoro can beat him now, no problem.
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@uniaka:
He had a fight and escaped before defeat from 3 top marine fighters, we know how those guys role from the war. And he did fight them, not just escaped.
And that is on top of his 5 days battle with a nation of Zoans.
But fine, think zoro can beat him now, no problem.
Do you honestly think he entered into a melee fight against Fuji, Sen and Tsuru at the same time on one of the boats during a storm?
Isn't it just as likely that they had a naval battle and Jack sunk 2 ships before Fuji dropped some meteorites or something?
You're making a lot of assumptions about a battle we haven't even seen. Considering the conditions, though, there was no man to man fights. Maybe if Dofla and the admins were on some island base, but they weren't.
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@uniaka:
He had a fight and escaped before defeat from 3 top marine fighters, we know how those guys role from the war. And he did fight them, not just escaped.
My bad I forgot how good Fujitora and Tsuru are when it comes to catching pirates. Or not!
Seriously there is no such thing as the "escaped from an admiral" tier.
Maybe Zoro can't defeat Jack alone. But I don't know why you can't even imagine it for a second.
I'd even add that you are missing a very important aspect of shonen manga with your predictions. It's only natural to have the hero fight stronger opponents and progress during the fight.
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My bad I forgot how good Fujitora and Tsuru are when it comes to catching pirates. Or not!
Seriously there is no such thing as the "escaped from an admiral" tier.
Maybe Zoro can't defeat Jack alone. But I don't know why you can't even imagine it for a second.
I'd even add that you are missing a very important aspect of shonen manga with your predictions. It's only natural to have the hero fight stronger opponents and progress during the fight.
This might sound weird but Zoro being weaker than Jack doesn't prevent Zoro from winning.Exactly Usopp escaped from a admiral that must make him the same as Jack since they're both escaped from an admiral tier lol.
Jack is strong but they already have enough strong fighters to take him down plus his bounty is most likely like kids was in sa before the time skip since he likes killing people for fun they don't need Luffy to stick around since the entire reason for the 2 year time skip was to get stronger Luffy has his own mission which is saving Sanji plus maybe recruiting Jinbe and getting a copy of the poneglyph and Raizo will show Luffy the ways of the ninja nin nin lol.
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Zou might be an arc without conclusive battles, like Water Seven. Just a set-up for the next arc.
Either that or Jack arrives at Zou while Luffy has already sailed to the Tea Party, leaving only Zoro to protect the minks. :'D
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@Long:
When was the last time an arc enemy didnt appear on the scene before fighting the SH's besides KUMA.
Krieg, Wapol, Kizaru…
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I'm not interested in who fights who tbh and I don't really care. But the history of the forum, when people spend endless periods debating on things like that, it always end up been wrong. Go and read the beginning of Official dressrosa thread and see how the so called "OP experts" analyze all their theories with suppose evidence that I've been reading OP since 199….. and anyone that says something different is either bullied off or ridiculed. Cannon is doing same here.
Personally, I don't think there will be a major fight in Zou. Luffy is not going to unleash Gear 4 and/or 5 and destroy what is left of Zou after Ninja pointed that the City is a pale shadow of it's former self. But that is my personal opinion, am not going to shove that opinion down everyone throat and laugh at anyone that disagrees.
Dude. This is a forum. Opinions are meant to be discussed here.
I don't care if I end up being wrong or whatever. In the end, I'm just giving my opinions as well. Stop acting like a victim. No one's laughing at you. I know I'm a somewhat agressive poster, but I'm not doing anything wrong.
People saw a fight between Luffy and Doula Mongo coming from a mile, though. And it happened. When it comes to the main antagonist of the arc, Luffy is always the right bet.
Everybody else is harder to predict because there's not as much set up. Case in point, Enies Lobby, where people traded foes all the time, but we knew Lucci was reserved for Luffy as the latter was always speaking about going after the "pigeon guy".
Because when Luffy says he will kick someone's ass, he means it.
And if you think Zou being destroyed prevents another battle from happening, then I disagree. Why waste all that potential drama of having the Jack nightmare happen again?
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You are not wrong but we are not stupid. We have understood your point since every week you feel forced to post the exactly same arguments everytime someone post on the subject. We have understood ! And we can disagree too without having to enter this sterile debate over and over that is just spamming the forum at this point. Can we act like adults and move on ?
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You are not wrong but we are not stupid. We have understood your point since every week you feel forced to post the exactly same arguments everytime someone post on the subject. We have understood ! And we can disagree too without having to enter this sterile debate over and over that is just spamming the forum at this point. Can we act like adults and move on ?
I second that.
As for fight of Dukes vs Jack I think both sides holded back not to kill gigantic elephant. Jack seems to be bastard but he tortured minks because he knew they were lying.
Zunisha is on other hand just an animal, it would be interesting if Jack would be holding back some attacks not to kill Zou itself even as he didnt cared about civilization that was on it. Im sure likes of Jack have attacks that would wound even Zunisha. -
I second that.
As for fight of Dukes vs Jack I think both sides holded back not to kill gigantic elephant. Jack seems to be bastard but he tortured minks because he knew they were lying.
Zunisha is on other hand just an animal, it would be interesting if Jack would be holding back some attacks not to kill Zou itself even as he didnt cared about civilization that was on it. Im sure likes of Jack have attacks that would wound even Zunisha.He did wound Zunisha though.
He probably doesn't care about it.
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As for fight of Dukes vs Jack I think both sides holded back not to kill gigantic elephant. Jack seems to be bastard but he tortured minks because he knew they were lying.
I personally doubt Jack knew they were lying so much as didn't care if they were telling the truth.
He demanded Raizo and it wasn't HIS problem the Minks didn't appear to have him. The man is a prime example of what TV Tropes calls "Stupid Evil" (committing evil acts when they clearly go against your own interests)
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He did wound Zunisha though.
He probably doesn't care about it.
Did he ? I dont remember when and where exactly
I personally doubt Jack knew they were lying so much as didn't care if they were telling the truth.
He demanded Raizo and it wasn't HIS problem the Minks didn't appear to have him. The man is a prime example of what TV Tropes calls "Stupid Evil" (committing evil acts when they clearly go against your own interests)
I had same impression but I am not certain about it. I need to see more of Jack.
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You are not wrong but we are not stupid. We have understood your point since every week you feel forced to post the exactly same arguments everytime someone post on the subject. We have understood ! And we can disagree too without having to enter this sterile debate over and over that is just spamming the forum at this point. Can we act like adults and move on ?
Don't speak for other people. You guys are not the only ones who frequent this forum.
Debates are bound to repeat exactly because they end before somebody who didn't participate before comes in to restart them again either because they want to participate or they didn't know it already happened. No one is going back to previous threads to do it there.
New people come, old debates return. Some debates will be endless until something happens that allows them to end (the New Nakama thread moves on this principle. How many times has Robby not repeated his arguments about what makes a Nakama candidate?). That's it.
If we're supposed to act like adults, then don't get annoyed over small things like this.
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If Jack does return (if that's the "old debate" you're referring to) I hope the Wano gang is instrumental in his defeat. I could see them feeling honor bound to do that as part of their atonement for indirectly causing all this to happen on Zou.
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The overhyping of Jack here has become absolutely ridiculous its not even funny. I am of the belief that Zoro will be the one to handle him. We haven't seen the extend of Zoro's post-timeskip abilities yet but its not a stretch to assume that he's very close to Luffy if not on-par. And that's from the ridiculous power displays we've seen from him(without breaking a sweat btw). What he did to Pika was insanely impressive. The scale of it is comparable to WB tidal wave and Ao Kiji freezing it. Giant Pika Statue Golem had to be several times larger than Oars.
That being said. It's only been implied that Jack is super strong. But that doesn't say much. Every famous pirate in the NW is super strong. Jack was an idiot who tried to face down 2 admirals on sea and got his ass handed to him for his trouble. In no was does that imply anything about how "strong" he is. Guys, he got his ass HANDED to him. SO bad that he was presumed dead. Any idiot with a fleet of ships behind him coud've done the same and failed the same way. That does not imply that he's god level. From what was said about his fight on Zou, that seemed to imply that he was crazy strong. but again, that is to be expected of any well known Pirate in the NW. What we know is that he wasn't strong enough to subdue the locals and had to use poison gas as a last resort lol.
All that being said. The story is moving forward and a very quick and exciting pace. The overall plot requires atleast a few members of Luffy's crew to be monsters at this point. What with Big Mom a major problem for the SH/HP alliance and Kaidou himself being very likely the next big boss take down. I just doubt Oda will make Luffy Jacks opponent when luffy already has so much to deal with in the very near future. With that perpective. Jack could be a measuring stick for Zoro and taking him out will be his defining moment in the NW.
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Everything about Jack screams Zoro adversary. His design, his personality, the fact that he fights with swords… Even his zoan has gigantic horns which are perfect to fight the swordsman!
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A question that may have already come up, but does it seem to anyone like Oda is maneuvering the story in such a way that the Straw Hats are going to confront Kaido and Big Mom simultaneously? Or at least concurrently, if they do split up.
Also, cross posting from the Theories That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread, I want to see Luffy lead a heist of Big Mom's Road Poneglyph, taking the one Jimbei has with him and painting it red to try and fake her out. Of course, this being Luffy, it'll be a ridiculously crude and obvious paint job plus, as a friend suggested when I mentioned this to him, he'll sign it or something.
Given his displeasure at the thought, he won't be content with just a copy.
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A question that may have already come up, but does it seem to anyone like Oda is maneuvering the story in such a way that the Straw Hats are going to confront Kaido and Big Mom simultaneously? Or at least concurrently, if they do split up.
I don't think so. The apparent plot being set up for the Big Mom conflict is very distinct for the one being set up for Kaidou.
It's Sanji and the Vinsmoke Family for Big Mom and Wano for Kaidou. The only thing that intertwines those plots is potentially Fishman Island, but it's possible Shirahoshi gets caught after Big Mom falls.
Zou itself has nothing against Big Mom. Pekoms certainly wouldn't allow the minks to go after her.
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What chapter exactly ? Whose flashback ? On what page ?
Last page of 807, I believe.
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I don't think so. The apparent plot being set up for the Big Mom conflict is very distinct for the one being set up for Kaidou.
It's Sanji and the Vinsmoke Family for Big Mom and Wano for Kaidou. The only thing that intertwines those plots is potentially Fishman Island, but it's possible Shirahoshi gets caught after Big Mom falls.
Zou itself has nothing against Big Mom. Pekoms certainly wouldn't allow the minks to go after her.
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Last page of 807, I believe.
I think that Zunisha just gotten stressed over what was happening on her back. Not wounded or something.
Thanks though for pointing to specific page.
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I don't think so. The apparent plot being set up for the Big Mom conflict is very distinct for the one being set up for Kaidou.
It's Sanji and the Vinsmoke Family for Big Mom and Wano for Kaidou. The only thing that intertwines those plots is potentially Fishman Island, but it's possible Shirahoshi gets caught after Big Mom falls.
Zou itself has nothing against Big Mom. Pekoms certainly wouldn't allow the minks to go after her.
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Last page of 807, I believe.
Yet they're both being thrust into the forefront at the same time, they each possess one of the plot coupons Luffy needs to complete his journey, and even if the Minks don't (nor did I really refer to them in any case) the Straw Hats have plenty of motivation for both. Fishman Island and Sanji for Big Mom, survival and Wano for Kaido, and the Road Poneglyphs for both of them.
On a more speculative note, confronting two Emperors at the same time and getting away with it (if not emerging victorious) would definitely qualify as the kind of major event we were promised with the formation of the Straw Hat Grand Fleet.
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Everything about Jack screams Zoro adversary. His design, his personality, the fact that he fights with swords… Even his zoan has gigantic horns which are perfect to fight the swordsman!
Exactly Jack has 6 things to fight with two horns on his head,two tusks from his zoan hybrid form and two sword like weapons so Zoro's 3 fighting style vs Jacks 6 fighting style.
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A question that may have already come up, but does it seem to anyone like Oda is maneuvering the story in such a way that the Straw Hats are going to confront Kaido and Big Mom simultaneously? Or at least concurrently, if they do split up.
Also, cross posting from the Theories That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread, I want to see Luffy lead a heist of Big Mom's Road Poneglyph, taking the one Jimbei has with him and painting it red to try and fake her out. Of course, this being Luffy, it'll be a ridiculously crude and obvious paint job plus, as a friend suggested when I mentioned this to him, he'll sign it or something.
Given his displeasure at the thought, he won't be content with just a copy.
He would need to steal a ship to move that thing a little ship that only carries a few people would most likely not be big enough to carry something that heavy lol.
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@sanji''s_dad:
He would need to steal a ship to move that thing a little ship that only carries a few people would most likely not be big enough to carry something that heavy lol.
As if silly things like practicality and laws of physics matter to Luffy.
Alternatively, he may settle for a copy, but only if he can get it made directly from the stone itself. No swiping one already made and available.
Now I'm picturing him doing that and inadvertently making people think he knows some secret that no one else does because he did it that way.
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As if silly things like practicality and laws of physics matter to Luffy.
Alternatively, he may settle for a copy, but only if he can get it made directly from the stone itself. No swiping one already made and available.
Now I'm picturing him doing that and inadvertently making people think he knows some secret that no one else does because he did it that way.
It would be funny if the people with luffy just stretch him over it to make a copy so it will be on luffy lol.
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@Rotten:
The overhyping of Jack here has become absolutely ridiculous its not even funny. I am of the belief that Zoro will be the one to handle him. We haven't seen the extend of Zoro's post-timeskip abilities yet but its not a stretch to assume that he's very close to Luffy if not on-par. And that's from the ridiculous power displays we've seen from him(without breaking a sweat btw). What he did to Pika was insanely impressive. The scale of it is comparable to WB tidal wave and Ao Kiji freezing it. Giant Pika Statue Golem had to be several times larger than Oars.
That being said. It's only been implied that Jack is super strong. But that doesn't say much. Every famous pirate in the NW is super strong. Jack was an idiot who tried to face down 2 admirals on sea and got his ass handed to him for his trouble. In no was does that imply anything about how "strong" he is. Guys, he got his ass HANDED to him. SO bad that he was presumed dead. Any idiot with a fleet of ships behind him coud've done the same and failed the same way. That does not imply that he's god level. From what was said about his fight on Zou, that seemed to imply that he was crazy strong. but again, that is to be expected of any well known Pirate in the NW. What we know is that he wasn't strong enough to subdue the locals and had to use poison gas as a last resort lol.
All that being said. The story is moving forward and a very quick and exciting pace. The overall plot requires atleast a few members of Luffy's crew to be monsters at this point. What with Big Mom a major problem for the SH/HP alliance and Kaidou himself being very likely the next big boss take down. I just doubt Oda will make Luffy Jacks opponent when luffy already has so much to deal with in the very near future. With that perpective. Jack could be a measuring stick for Zoro and taking him out will be his defining moment in the NW.
I agree with every words you said man, thumbs up!
I think people underestimate Zoro, only because he is catalog as "badass character" and because he have a 320 million bounty, however the bounty doesn't measure someone's power, just look at usopp's, we know it's a joke, then looks at kidd one, this guy got a huge bounty for the wreck on each island he visited.
And since the TS Zoro never fought any opponent at full strength.
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@sanji''s_dad:
It would be funny if the people with luffy just stretch him over it to make a copy so it will be on luffy lol.
Now I'm picturing Robin's face when she realizes she has to translate off of Luffy.
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I agree with every words you said man, thumbs up!
I think people underestimate Zoro, only because he is catalog as "badass character" and because he have a 320 million bounty, however the bounty doesn't measure someone's power, just look at usopp's, we know it's a joke, then looks at kidd one, this guy got a huge bounty for the wreck on each island he visited.
And since the TS Zoro never fought any opponent at full strength.
Zoro is the first mate, the equivalent of Rayleigh, he is definitely as strong as Luffy is and i'm sure he will prove that soon with Jack.People think that they're going to have a tea party on Zoa since they say Luffy will deal with Jack before Luffy leaves and then go with a small rescue team to rescue Sanji,recruit jinbe and get his fishman pirates as allies and get another red poneglyph. (the whole point of the 2 year time skip was so that people like Usopp did not have to depend on Luffy to get stuff done but they're saying even Zoro cannot do anything without Luffy and has to have Luffy baby sit the entire crew lol)
Jack and every one of the calamites most likely have billion or more as their bounty due to going to islands and wiping them out like they tried to do at zoa but then get their ass handed to them by the admirals and have to run away like what happened to Jack lol.
Zoro is not going to be by himself he has Law and Bepo who both got their 500 million bountys based on their power not going around killing people for fun plus the wounded rulers of the island will become friends again by helping as well and then Law can take a arm and leg from Jack and give it to them lol.
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@sanji''s_dad:
People think that they're going to have a tea party on Zoa since they say Luffy will deal with Jack before Luffy leaves and then go with a small rescue team to rescue Sanji,recruit jinbe and get his fishman pirates as allies and get another red poneglyph. (the whole point of the 2 year time skip was so that people like Usopp did not have to depend on Luffy to get stuff done but they're saying even Zoro cannot do anything without Luffy and has to have Luffy baby sit the entire crew lol)
Jack and every one of the calamites most likely have billion or more as their bounty due to going to islands and wiping them out like they tried to do at zoa but then get their ass handed to them by the admirals and have to run away like what happened to Jack lol.
Zoro is not going to be by himself he has Law and Bepo who both got their 500 million bountys based on their power not going around killing people for fun plus the wounded rulers of the island will become friends again by helping as well and then Law can take a arm and leg from Jack and give it to them lol.
Wut?
First Luffy talked about caring of Jack but now it's about getting Sanji's back and getting the poneglyph from Big Mom, she is a freaking yonko, he will have to deal with her since Luffy always have to mess up plans.
Zoro can't do anything without Luffy? JOKE!
Zoro is the one who cares about the whole crew since Luffy can't do it, he either run straight to the problems, every damn time Zoro have to be the support for Luffy, this is why Luffy doesn't care of complex things and plots, because he knows Zoro and co will handle them in his stead.
Reason why some are astonished that Luffy is the captain when he is so carefree.
for example, Zoro was the one who prevent the crew to explode once after Luffy went to fight aokiji once, then after they had Usopp vs Luffy problem, he was the one telling to Luffy to get a shit of himself, he is the captain and is the one to get the burden.
Then when Luffy was about to get back Usopp like nothing happened, Zoro was the one who explained that they weren't playing pirates and someone who disrespect the captain once will do it twice.
Zoro was here every freaking damn time in important matter when Luffy is just taking things lightly.Zoro doesn't need anybody to care of Jack, bounties is nothing but talk.
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A day or two late from the discussions I had some quick ideas for but I'll share them anyway.
Some were wondering why Whitebeard was closest to being the Pirate King if the Big Mom and Kaido had each one of the Poneglyphs, one was in Zou and one was unknown. Could it be that Whitebeard actually had at least in his areas the two Poneglyphs and upon his death the two Yonkous when taking over his areas got into possession of them. I'd imagine those Poneglyphs would have been a secret but in the chaos of Poneglyphs changing owners the word accidentally spread and now two of the locations became publicly known. Considering Jack and the rest were only demanding Raizou in Zou the Poneglyph in there might still remain as a secret that people don't really know about.
I had fun reading through the four-point discussion. Considering the time and amount of pirates after Rogers visit to Raftel I'd say that you would actually have to do something in the four points to make the island "emerge" like said in the MS translation. While the sentences kind of imply that you can just use the locations to find Raftel it would sound Oda-like to later reveal that you actually have to do something that you know only after you compile the messages from all 4 Poneglyphs. After all the stones seem to have much more writing than just a location even if it's described lengthily.
This last one that I thought of while reading all the comments was about the voice of all things and why all Poneglyphs are indestructible. What if those that carved the stones were under persecution and when they wanted to save the message permanently they did some weird rite to bind their soul to the stone (kind of like in FFX) and then their Haki keeps them indestructible? If they had the persecution at the background and their death seemed somewhat inevitable, sacrificing themselves to protect a stone with important information wouldn't be that far-fetched. Then without necessarily being able to read the things that are written some competent Haki users could "hear" what the could in the stone carved in there.
There's some random ideas I got and decided to share in case it fuels some theorists to come up with entertaining ideas :D
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Epic chapter. Finally there are hints of the final island.
The mental image of Big Mum and Kaido running around carrying poneglyphs is rather amusing tho.
So… Big Mum first, then Kaido? Or they are just going to get Sanji back and defeat Big Mum later?
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He would need to steal a ship to move that thing a little ship that only carries a few people would most likely not be big enough to carry something that heavy lol.
Catviper said its ridiculous to try and lug around something so big and heavy. Come on when something is said to be too stupid or dangerous what does Luffy do? Even a smart guy lief Jinbe probably didn't have sense enough to make a copy, besides if Big Mom is up first Wadatsumi is good Poneglyph transportation.
@sanji''s_dad:
It would be funny if the people with luffy just stretch him over it to make a copy so it will be on luffy lol.
That might even be better though!
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One of the girls has to go with Luffy cuz I don't see the guys remember to copy the ponglyph.
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Dude. This is a forum. Opinions are meant to be discussed here.
I don't care if I end up being wrong or whatever. In the end, I'm just giving my opinions as well. Stop acting like a victim. No one's laughing at you. I know I'm a somewhat agressive poster, but I'm not doing anything wrong.
People saw a fight between Luffy and Doula Mongo coming from a mile, though. And it happened. When it comes to the main antagonist of the arc, Luffy is always the right bet.
Everybody else is harder to predict because there's not as much set up. Case in point, Enies Lobby, where people traded foes all the time, but we knew Lucci was reserved for Luffy as the latter was always speaking about going after the "pigeon guy".
Because when Luffy says he will kick someone's ass, he means it.
And if you think Zou being destroyed prevents another battle from happening, then I disagree. Why waste all that potential drama of having the Jack nightmare happen again?
Then, what is the incentive for Jack to returning to Zou? He poisoned them, cut the arm and leg of their leaders. Why will he come back to Zou? To go through their corpse? As far as he's concern, they are all dead. The underlings he left behind didn't see Caesar doing the clean up and they ran away to report that they couldn't find the Ninja.
- Why would Oda want to pip Jack against the Strawhats now when he got defeated by Admirals 10 days ago? Are you saying Jack was hyped that much only to fight Luffy or whoever in bandages? What is the point of that narrative? Even if Jack is going to fight Luffy, am sure it's not here or now.
The cards are not in play as much as you will like to think.
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A day or two late from the discussions I had some quick ideas for but I'll share them anyway.
Some were wondering why Whitebeard was closest to being the Pirate King if the Big Mom and Kaido had each one of the Poneglyphs, one was in Zou and one was unknown. Could it be that Whitebeard actually had at least in his areas the two Poneglyphs and upon his death the two Yonkous when taking over his areas got into possession of them. I'd imagine those Poneglyphs would have been a secret but in the chaos of Poneglyphs changing owners the word accidentally spread and now two of the locations became publicly known. Considering Jack and the rest were only demanding Raizou in Zou the Poneglyph in there might still remain as a secret that people don't really know about.
I had fun reading through the four-point discussion. Considering the time and amount of pirates after Rogers visit to Raftel I'd say that you would actually have to do something in the four points to make the island "emerge" like said in the MS translation. While the sentences kind of imply that you can just use the locations to find Raftel it would sound Oda-like to later reveal that you actually have to do something that you know only after you compile the messages from all 4 Poneglyphs. After all the stones seem to have much more writing than just a location even if it's described lengthily.
This last one that I thought of while reading all the comments was about the voice of all things and why all Poneglyphs are indestructible. What if those that carved the stones were under persecution and when they wanted to save the message permanently they did some weird rite to bind their soul to the stone (kind of like in FFX) and then their Haki keeps them indestructible? If they had the persecution at the background and their death seemed somewhat inevitable, sacrificing themselves to protect a stone with important information wouldn't be that far-fetched. Then without necessarily being able to read the things that are written some competent Haki users could "hear" what the could in the stone carved in there.
There's some random ideas I got and decided to share in case it fuels some theorists to come up with entertaining ideas :D
Newgate was not interested in Pirate King Stuff.
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Don't speak for other people. You guys are not the only ones who frequent this forum.
Debates are bound to repeat exactly because they end before somebody who didn't participate before comes in to restart them again either because they want to participate or they didn't know it already happened. No one is going back to previous threads to do it there.
New people come, old debates return. Some debates will be endless until something happens that allows them to end (the New Nakama thread moves on this principle. How many times has Robby not repeated his arguments about what makes a Nakama candidate?). That's it.
If we're supposed to act like adults, then don't get annoyed over small things like this.
no your attitude is childish and immature if that point is so important that it needs to be debated every weeks for 2 monthes now create a thread.
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no your attitude is childish and immature if that point is so important that it needs to be debated every weeks for 2 monthes now create a thread.
Now you're starting to insult.
Way to go, Mr. Adult.
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One of the girls has to go with Luffy cuz I don't see the guys remember to copy the ponglyph.
Nami has the card that lola gave her which is most likely big moms so she will go and that is what will stop big mom killing them since luffy will mess up.
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Then, what is the incentive for Jack to returning to Zou? He poisoned them, cut the arm and leg of their leaders. Why will he come back to Zou? To go through their corpse? As far as he's concern, they are all dead. The underlings he left behind didn't see Caesar doing the clean up and they ran away to report that they couldn't find the Ninja
Why would Oda want to pip Jack against the Strawhats now when he got defeated by Admirals 10 days ago? Are you saying Jack was hyped that much only to fight Luffy or whoever in bandages? What is the point of that narrative? Even if Jack is going to fight Luffy, am sure it's not here or now.
The cards are not in play as much as you will like to think.
Underlings saw the Straw Hats.
Straw Hats took down Doula Mongo, leading Jack and his crew into a mess.
Thus, Straw Hats are now a target.
Law clearly states that it's only a matter of time. The cards are there!
There might be underlings hiding on Zou, reporting the Straw Hats' actions.
And 2nd incentive, we just saw it in this chapter. Kaidou is interested in the Road Poneglyphs. Hey, look, another card in play.
Oh, and about Jack's situation, if he turns out to be an Awakened Zoan, then healing won't be a problem.
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Underlings saw the Straw Hats.
Straw Hats took down Doula Mongo, leading Jackand his crew into a mess.
Law clearly states that Zou is being targeted again.
And 2nd incentive, we just saw it in this chapter. Kaidou is interested in the Road Poneglyphs.
Plus Jack seems to have gotten the information that Raizo was going to Zou from someone or that he had someone spy/followed Raizo there he did not just go in and kill everyone he actually tried to get the information about them asking them the same question over 5 days and when they would not answer started chopping body parts off them.
The fact that Nami has the card she was given by lola who has a high chance of being big mom's daughter due to the high number of daughters that big mom has (she has at least 35!) makes nami going with luffy and luffy being able to pull it off since even if he messes up they could just being invited to the tea party plus brook could go and play music he needs more chapter time as well its like someone that pissed you off saving your pet/friend/family member you like from death.
luffy,nami,raizo and brook could easily pull it off since they already have sanji and jinbe there as well which will be allowed to leave big moms crew to join the strawhats plus big mom will need the strawhats when kaido attacks fishman island..
fishman island makes her favourite sweets and the strawhats will want to save the mermaid princess both sides will have a common enemy so they will at least have a truce until Kaido is taken care of.
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Plus Jack seems to have gotten the information that Raizo was going to Zou from someone or that he had someone spy/followed Raizo there he did not just go in and kill everyone he actually tried to get the information about them asking them the same question over 5 days and when they would not answer started chopping body parts off them.
Exactly. Wanda herself ponders how Jack managed to find Zou and why he thought they would have Raizo.
Those are questions that need answers. And in order to answer them, Jack has to return to Zou, so we can see how he did it.
Sereques asks about those cards that have not been in play yet, even though I link to a ton of evidence that, yes, they are in play.
And this is not the first time.
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Exactly. Wanda herself ponders how Jack managed to find Zou and why he thought they would have Raizo.
Those are questions that need answers. And in order to answer them, Jack has to return to Zou.
Sereques asks about those cards that have not been in play yet, even though I link to a ton of evidence that, yes, they are in play.
And this is not the first time.
It would be like doflamingo not getting back to dressrosa before the strawhats destroy the smile factory and get the mera mera fruit lol.
having luffy,nami (has lola's card so if its big moms can save everyone if things go bad),brook (can play music at the tea party big mom might even be a fan if they get invited after nami shows big mom the card) and raizo (he is a ninja),ect plus you already have sanji and jinbe there
Jewery bonney's ship is also sweet themed like big moms so if she is one of big moms daughter then it means they're not all ugly so sanji might get lucky and want to marry her or promise to marry her after the adventure is over which will make big mom happy as well.
they might have a easier time getting sanji,recruiting jinbe and getting a copy of the poneglyph than the others have with Jack if nami or sanji save the day plus kaido or one of the calamites might attack fishman island during this time.
doing two things at the same time makes the story more interesting as well plus it allows the anime to add more filler allowing the story not to catch up as much lol.
Jack is more of a threat if the straw hat alliance does not have all its members plus it makes taking down jack more impressive as well since they don't have all their members.
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Underlings saw the Straw Hats.
Straw Hats took down Doula Mongo, leading Jack and his crew into a mess.
Thus, Straw Hats are now a target.
Law clearly states that it's only a matter of time. The cards are there!
There might be underlings hiding on Zou, reporting the Straw Hats' actions.
And 2nd incentive, we just saw it in this chapter. Kaidou is interested in the Road Poneglyphs. Hey, look, another card in play.
Oh, and about Jack's situation, if he turns out to be an Awakened Zoan, then healing won't be a problem.
This is a prefect sum-up of why Jack will return. Admins should make this a sticky-post for the manga-section so people constantly don't start arguments about this topic.
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This is a prefect sum-up of why Jack will return. Admins should make this a sticky-post for the manga-section so people constantly don't start arguments about this topic.
Just let the chapter come out so they're proven wrong then they will say i never thought jack would come back and they might even add that people had said he would come back were right lol..