You forgot about RYUMA? Most likely Samurai's hate dragons
Kanjuro had no problem drawing a dragon. Seems like Kin's personal problem.
You forgot about RYUMA? Most likely Samurai's hate dragons
Kanjuro had no problem drawing a dragon. Seems like Kin's personal problem.
You forgot about RYUMA? Most like Samurai's hate dragons
I don't think the way it was portrayed was just some throwback at an One-Shot Oda done it in the past and not a recent happening.
Ok, so my earlier explaination of how many points we need sucked. I had not really thought thoroughly about it. So i thought about it some and made a little picture of the situations we could be facing here
TLDL: we most likely need all four
Edit: sorry for small text. ? = possible point 4 locations
You guys are taking this 4 points location too seriously.
Caribou just became extremely important to the story.
He's the only one who can steal entire poneglyphs.
Law and Capone can as well technically… and maybe Blueno. :ninja:
Remember way back in Punk Hazard that Kinemon had a grudge against dragons?
Md-Martin had a nice post in the theory thread about the Dragon Horn artifact from the "Monsters" one-shot coming into play during the Wano arc since that story took place there, and Ryuuma(and his legend) being in One Piece makes things canonical. Perhaps the Shogun is the only person able to use the horn and can summon/command a horde of dragons with it similar to what Shirahoshi can do with sea-kings.
Caribou just became extremely important to the story.
He's the only one who can steal entire poneglyphs.
LOL i like the idea.. caribou for new nakama!!!!
Yeah Ryuma was Brook's shadow zombie, he was famous becuause he killed a dragon.. Maybe dragons is/was a real thing in Wano. I heard that in ancient japanese myths, dragons could control weather (but not certain of that, i'm not japanese), that should explain that monster storm and the lightning that saved Luffy in Loguetown.
The point you converge with only 3 locations is not where Raftel is. You need all 4 points.
Try drawing 3 dots on a piece of paper, forming a triangle. The 4th dot could be anywhere around the triangle and at any distance from it.
It won't be a perfect square that you can easily assume where all corners are located.
the locations is still describer where the lines CROSS…so as long as you have 2 that are part of a couple,the location must be alongside that route,problem is where.
but the fact of the matter is,with only 2 locations you can't be sure they are a "couple",but with a third one you have both something from where to start and a point of reference for whenever you decide to try to leave a route and go exploring,as long as you don't go so far that the magnetism of the third island can't be felt.
Ok, so my earlier explaination of how many points we need sucked. I had not really thought thoroughly about it. So i thought about it some and made a little picture of the situations we could be facing here
TLDL: we most likely need all four
You need four to get exact coordinates, however, if you have three, you only have to follow the sides of the triangle formed by the three and you will find it assuredly.
It omly takes a bit more searching.
Caribou just became extremely important to the story.
He's the only one who can steal entire poneglyphs.
we just finished saying in this chapter that you don't need to do that
You need four to get exact coordinates, however, if you have three, you only have to follow the sides of the triangle formed by the three and you will find it assuredly.
It omly takes a bit more searching.
Okay, but it's the New World known for crazy/dangerous phenomenon happening in the seas. There's a billion possibilities that can complicate things… for example if that entire area is covered by knock up streams and all of them are instant death except for one.
You need four to get exact coordinates, however, if you have three, you only have to follow the sides of the triangle formed by the three and you will find it assuredly.
It omly takes a bit more searching.
Considering it's in the New World where the minimal mistake may kill you, and the distance between A and C may very well be enormous, the best bet would be gather the four locations.
Edit: Brotato beat me to it .-.
Can someone explain to me this panel
http://readms.com/r/one_piece/818/3273/15
Don't understand who can read them and who not? And how can they carve them if they can't read them or who is Luffy talking about?
Further more the copies? Why Robin knew about the copies and instead is searching for the stones itself? And how are they sure that Big Mom, who has an original, has a copy of it as well? Ok it is likely but still the explanation of it was confusing
Further more I still stick to my feeling. I dunno of it was a good idea for the future telling all this with Law around who is gathering all informations as well?
So, did you knew the red poneglyphs led to Raftel? Did you know the Kozuki Family created the poneglyphs? Did you knew Momo's father was part of the Roger Pirates? Did you knew two of the Emperors had poneglyphs of their own?
Are those "little details" that we could have "mostly already assumed"?
Sorry, but saying that this stuff isn't substantial is just a plain lie. Just because they raise more questions, doesn't mean they downplay the answers. It's almost like saying Newton's findings were just groundwork for later people like Einstein instead of being groundbreaking stuff on their own.
Eh, I just didn't find all that stuff much to work with. All those pieces of information didn't make the picture much clearer. I still found it all very interesting, though. I'm not saying it sucks. I just wasn't blown away by it.
I'm not sure how to explain it better.
You need four to get exact coordinates, however, if you have three, you only have to follow the sides of the triangle formed by the three and you will find it assuredly.
It omly takes a bit more searching.
You could also try searching for it without the stones, but theyve yet to find it after hundreds of years as stated by Cat Viper. There is obviously a trick to this that has yet to be known.
Edit: It was Doggy, not Cat Viper.
They could be coded with they key to encryption somehow received from the stone itself, or the depth of the runes could be relevant for the reading process.
Can someone explain to me this panel
http://readms.com/r/one_piece/818/3273/15
Don't understand who can read them and who not? And how can they carve them if they can't read them or who is Luffy talking about?
Further more the copies? Why Robin knew about the copies and instead is searching for the stones itself? And how are they sure that Big Mom, who has an original, has a copy of it as well? Ok it is likely but still the explanation of it was confusing
Further more I still stick to my feeling. I dunno of it was a good idea for the future telling all this with Law around who is gathering all informations as well?
The Kouzukis passed down the alphabet, but not the words they had written. A trained Kouzuki could translate a poneglyph if they found one, but the translation of what was once written was never passed down.
It sounds to me like only the Road Poneglyphs have rubbings made of them while Robin is more interested in the history of the world, which is written on regular ones and the Rio Poneglyph.
Sorry for the blurry 1st picture.
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Could there be any connection even though this guy wasn't named Oden? I suppose that hair is the only thing that looks kind of Samurai-ish. Looks to be wearing a coat in chapter 0 but is it his big hat?
Can someone explain to me this panel
http://readms.com/r/one_piece/818/3273/15
Don't understand who can read them and who not? And how can they carve them if they can't read them or who is Luffy talking about?
Further more the copies? Why Robin knew about the copies and instead is searching for the stones itself? And how are they sure that Big Mom, who has an original, has a copy of it as well? Ok it is likely but still the explanation of it was confusing
Further more I still stick to my feeling. I dunno of it was a good idea for the future telling all this with Law around who is gathering all informations as well?
what does it mean how can they carve it?
yu can carve whatever you want even if you don't know what it means as long as someone passes you a paper with what you have to write..i can write japanese by copying a page without knowing shit about what i'm actually writing about.
as to who could read,lord oden and his direct ancestors were the only ones in the clan that could understand what was written (probably for grammar checking lol),but with him being executed before he could teach momonosuke,his knowledge died with him
about the copies
a)they are probably very rare
b)they count as trying to study the poneglyphs and thus the WG is gonna kill you for that and whoever helped you
c)you actually have to find the poneglyphs..it's not like they are in plain sight
Can someone explain to me this panel
http://readms.com/r/one_piece/818/3273/15
Don't understand who can read them and who not? And how can they carve them if they can't read them or who is Luffy talking about?
Luffy asks if they know the content of the glyphs. They answer that they do not, the only thing that was passed on was the ability to read and write the ancient language. After that they say Oden was killed before passing down his knowledge of reading and writing to Momo.
Further more the copies? Why Robin knew about the copies and instead is searching for the stones itself? And how are they sure that Big Mom, who has an original, has a copy of it as well? Ok it is likely but still the explanation of it was confusing
Probably because it's easier to figure where the locations of glyphs are, since they're harder to move around and you can assume a place with history that dates back to before the Void Century may contain one. And about Big Moms copy, I think they meant it's easier to just make a copy of the contents instead of stealing the glyph.
Further more I still stick to my feeling. I dunno of it was a good idea for the future telling all this with Law around who is gathering all informations as well?
Well he's an ally…
Unless we somehow get to know the shape the points together create.
I'm glad I could resist the urge to look up spoilers! This chapter blew my mind.
As if it wasn't so obvious already, Zou solidifies it's #1 position as the best arc after the timeskip. I loved this chapter.
However, you could follow the sides of the triangle formed by the three points and you'd eventually stumble upon Raftel.
This doesn't explain how you can actually know the coordinates of the three points without actual navigation tools working…
Although, in reality, all you need is an astrolab and a watchclock to get coordinates but we have to guess those methods don't exist in One piece or else Log poses wouldn't be needed.
Yeah I doubt that anyone can just navigate so easily and also that's assuming few other things:
that the 3 points are located close enough. One could be somewhere in the beginning of paradis, second towards the end of New World, and third somewhere in North Blue. Making a really really long lines you couldn't possible just travel through.
and the other thing: that it is even visible if you come across it. I am pretty sure for example that it's underwater, but it also could be in the sky or just an invisible island.
Can someone explain to me this panel
http://readms.com/r/one_piece/818/3273/15
Don't understand who can read them and who not? And how can they carve them if they can't read them or who is Luffy talking about?
Further more the copies? Why Robin knew about the copies and instead is searching for the stones itself? And how are they sure that Big Mom, who has an original, has a copy of it as well? Ok it is likely but still the explanation of it was confusing
Further more I still stick to my feeling. I dunno of it was a good idea for the future telling all this with Law around who is gathering all informations as well?
They mention Oden never got around to teach Momonosuke the "skill". Perhaps it's connected to hearing the "voice of all things". Roger was able to read and write Poneglyphs despite not actually knowing how to read and write Poneglyphs. I doubt these 2 are not connected, especially since both Rayleigh and samurai claimed they couldn't read them. Too many similarities.
As for Robin, I doubt she limits herself to just finding the stones. Besides, it's practically easier to find the stones themselves. They are bigger than a sheet of paper and they can't be moved around as easy as sheets of paper. Not to mention people who have them probably keep it a secret. If Big Mom doesn't have a copy, they can make a copy themselves. All it takes is a sheet of paper and some charcoal.
I don't like the fact Law is hearing all of this either, but better not to worry about the future that might not come. I'd hate to see him backstab Luffy, though, but their paths will have to split at some point.
Luffy asks if they know the content of the glyphs. They answer that they do not, the only thing that was passed on was the ability to read and write the ancient language. After that they say Oden was killed before passing down his knowledge of reading and writing to Momo.
Probably because it's easier to figure where the locations of glyphs are, since they're harder to move around and you can assume I place with history that dates back to before the Void Century may contain one. And about Big Moms copy, I think they meant it's easier to just make a copy of the contents instead of stealing the glyph.
Well he's an ally…
But they are talked it was never passed to future generations. Why should it be passed after all. Still Raizou the means to read and write them has been passed.
So if the means of reading has been passed how can't they?
That is a good point
I still don't understand why Kaidou is searching for Momo, what's the point if Momo cannot decypher the poneglyphs ??? Same for Raizou.
You guys are taking this 4 points location too seriously.
But.. but.. it's fun :sad:
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I don't like the fact Law is hearing all of this either, but better not to worry about the future that might not come. I'd hate to see him backstab Luffy, though, but their paths will have to split at some point.
Oh his reactions were the best XD
Sorry for the blurry 1st picture.
Could there be any connection even though this guy wasn't named Oden? I suppose that hair is the only thing that looks kind of Samurai-ish. Looks to be wearing a coat in chapter 0 but is it his big hat?
Nah this is Scopper Gabban. Biggest badass who has soon to be introduced.
The guy on the cover could be Scopper. But that means he was able after the SHs came back together post TS to ride all the back to Crocus go back to Wano, being killed and everything.
So interesting everything
I still don't understand why Kaidou is searching for Momo, what's the point if Momo cannot decypher the poneglyphs ??? Same for Raizou.
probably he thinks that oden managed to teach him how to read the poneglyphs..after actually killing the only one guy who could ,his son who was gonna continue the family tradition is the next best bet
and it's not like telling him that he doesn't know it's gonna stop him..just look what his crew did to the minks.
But they are talked it was never passed to future generations. Why should it be passed after all. Still Raizou the means to read and write them has been passed.
So if the means of reading has been passed how can't they?
They "could" read (not anymore though) the ones they've found, but they had no knowledge of whats written on all of them. That's what I guessing it's supposed to mean.
probably he thinks that oden managed to teach him how to read the poneglyphs..after actually killing the only one guy who could ,his son who was gonna continue the family tradition is the next best bet
and it's not like telling him that he doesn't know it's gonna stop him..just look what his crew did to the minks.
Or Momo has the potential the hear Poneglyphs and understand their contents. He's just untrained.
Personally, I like the "knowing the signs but not knowing the language" option more, but considering Roger's message on Skypiea… Not sure.
Still it getting it's I give up… The panel is confusing me.
Something different... If no one gets Robin... How can anyone even plan to reach Raftel... Yonkous included
But they are talked it was never passed to future generations. Why should it be passed after all. Still Raizou the means to read and write them has been passed.
So if the means of reading has been passed how can't they?
I got it this way: they passed the technique and skill to read it, but without having all the poneglyphs they can't do it right? Therefore, it's like they passed a special kind of language and how it's read and decyphered but not what they used the language for, and they can't know it unless they find all the poneglyphs. And the last one who had that skill passed to was Oden without him teaching it to his son.
This was an awesome chapter, so much information. I still think Big Mom is going to become Luffy's friend.
Fcked up theory…what if the 4 points are located at the extremities of the OP world and, since it's a globe, they cross each other at the core of the planet? Boom:ninja:
This was an awesome chapter, so much information. I still think Big Mom is going to become Luffy's friend.
She can be a reluctant ally at best. I wouldn't call someone who eats their crewmates and kills the family members of those who defy her to be friend material for Luffy.
Can someone explain to me this panel
http://readms.com/r/one_piece/818/3273/15
Don't understand who can read them and who not? And how can they carve them if they can't read them or who is Luffy talking about?
Further more the copies? Why Robin knew about the copies and instead is searching for the stones itself? And how are they sure that Big Mom, who has an original, has a copy of it as well? Ok it is likely but still the explanation of it was confusing
Further more I still stick to my feeling. I dunno of it was a good idea for the future telling all this with Law around who is gathering all informations as well?
The ability to read and write the ancient language was passed down the Kouzuki family. Furthermore, knowing how to write down the symbol does not necessarily mean you understand what youve written. Keep in mind copying isnt really writing in the sense that writing down random symbols such as the alphabet in an incorrect order would lead to nonsense. You gotta be able to read and understand how its structured in order to for it to mean something.
Nah this is Scopper Gabban. Biggest badass who has soon to be introduced.
The guy on the cover could be Scopper. But that means he was able after the SHs came back together post TS to ride all the back to Crocus go back to Wano, being killed and everything.
So interesting everything
Yeah I know he was named Scopper in the data book. I always wondered if because of the hair they were the same person. Now with this chapter I'm trying to consider if they were the same person despite having different names. Kind of like Franky and Cutty Flam, hiding his identity.
This was an awesome chapter, so much information. I still think Big Mom is going to become Luffy's friend.
I thought about that not long ago, but I just don't see it happening. You know, with Luffy already having a friend among emperors. Still, I'd think the chances will increase if Lola is BM's daughter.
And making Luffy argue with BM before SH even set foot in NW would be a nice way to fool us into thinking they are destined to fight.
However, her methods don't really scream "potential SH ally" to put it lightly. Sending severed heads of friends to people who don't come to her party, destroying islands that don't send candy on time, using CC's weapons, possibly eating people…
Dunno, I kinda try out everything that is being taught in a given semester and keep those I can manage. But I do prefer geometry and algebra (boo, advanced calculus).
What I've been wondering: I think none of the Minks know of the Road Poneglyph except for Inuarashi and Nekoamamushi. If Pekoms or any other Mink that went out to sea knew of it, more people would have gone there to get a copy, right?
Also, up until now I've always wondered why the Yonkou would divide the New World into territories but not the first part of the Grand Line or any of the seas. Now it seems clear, they don't want any others to make more copies of the Road Poneglyphs they've found and the more islands they control the harder it is for other people to figure out which island harbors one.
Yeah advanced calculus is painful. I'm currently trying to learn it now.:sad:
So Nekomamushi tells them about copying the poneglyphs with gyotaku but who exactly is going to do the copying? No one in the Strawhats knows how I'm assuming. I imagine at least one of the Minkmen knows how since Nekomamushi mentioned it. I wonder which one outside of probably Nekomamushi and maybe Inuarashi? Well felines do like fish so perhaps Pedro and/or Sicilian? And of course I'm leaning towards Pedro because this mission is infiltration which looks potentially to be apart of his skillset. Or perhaps Raizo if not a Minkmen since he is a ninja. And of course the Strawhats will need the gyotaku copying for future regular and road poneglyphs.
You know, I just realized the whole discussion regarding coordinates and triangulation of Poneglyphs was mostly meaningless because at least one of them is on an elephant. That is constantly moving around.
EDIT: Think nothing of it.
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Copying should be easy, reading is hard, and that's why Raftel is untouched after all this years
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You know, I just realized the whole discussion regarding coordinates and triangulation of Poneglyphs was mostly meaningless because at least one of them is on an elephant. That is constantly moving around.
The RP is in Zou, but the coordinates on this RP should be pointing to another island.
The RP is in Zou, but the coordinates on this RP should be pointing to another island.
Yeah, I had a mind fart. :happy:
Long day, best to get a shower and go to bed.
You know, I just realized the whole discussion regarding coordinates and triangulation of Poneglyphs was mostly meaningless because at least one of them is on an elephant. That is constantly moving around.
No, they just indicate the 4 places needed to trace the lines, they aren't the 4 points from which you trace the lines…
@Galaxy:
She can be a reluctant ally at best. I wouldn't call someone who eats their crewmates and kills the family members of those who defy her to be friend material for Luffy.
Then how about someone who captures people in order to sell them as slaves, thus insuring they'd suffer a fate worst than death at the hands of world nobles…
Or someone who randomly cuts another person's tongue just for speaking ill of another person...
You know, I just realized the whole discussion regarding coordinates and triangulation of Poneglyphs was mostly meaningless because at least one of them is on an elephant. That is constantly moving around.
I thought about that too, but Zou itself isn't one of the four locations used for triangulation. The poneglyph on Zou tells you one of the locations used for it.
Edit: Nvm, sorry, I was ninja'd. :ninja:
I just realized that aside from unfinished business on Fishman Island and map making adventures in the epilogue, we now have the perfect reason to back track and visit islands that we were basically promised. One of which was shoved in our faces 3 times, that thunder rain island.
Then how about someone who captures people in order to sell them as slaves, thus insuring they'd suffer a fate worst than death at the hands of world nobles…
Duval? He's a completely different case, since he reformed almost instantly after getting beat up by Sanji. He was foolish as soon as he was unmasked, while Big Mom has only been shown as evil.