Chapter 817: Raizou Of The Mist

[sanji''s_dad]

@Watch-man:

Jack seems to be real son of Whitebeard.

His body size, its proportions, way he seats on his ship while reading newspaper and fact that his chin is covered with some metal thing all point to that for me. Plus his hair seem to be blonde same as Whitebeards when he was young.
Seems A BIT obvious but it would be cool, as Ace was Rogers son and didnt ended up as bad to the core powerful pirate, Jack being Whitebeards evil son could work out for me. Luffy beating up somebody who also has potential to be future Pirate King has a ring to it but we will see how it will go.

you would think that he would kill weavil if that was true even if he did not like whitebeard that would piss him off plus kaido would like him killing a warlord as well.

[hosemisnuba]

I know this has nothing to do with the subject at hand, but Monkey King, Zeph, or whatever you want to call him got banned. I wonder why…....

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[Ra Tilt]

That was a beautiful little love note to Kishimoto.

I'm hyped up for that Red Poneglyph. I hope Oda will allow Robin to reveal what is on there for a change, rather than leave us mostly in the dark.

The reveal of Momo's identity is interesting, though slightly out of left-field. There are many interesting implications for the future in this chapter. I'm getting Skypia vibes with this deep bond of loyalty between Wano country and Zou. It seems to imply that the countries hundred of years ago collaborated with each other in the creation and protection of the Poneglyphs. I guess that's sort of obvious at this point in the story, but Kishi is building up to something big.

I'm wondering where this is going to go at this point. Is Luffy still going to go after Sanji alone? Maybe the crew will split up again with half going to Wano and the other half will concentrate on bringing Sanji back.

I can't wait for Kunoichi and any other famale characters in Wano. I'm so ready for the Japanese equivalent island in the One Piece universe.

[sanji''s_dad]

@Ra:

That was a beautiful little love note to Kishimoto.

I'm hyped up for that Red Poneglyph. I hope Oda will allow Robin to reveal what is on there for a change, rather than leave us mostly in the dark.

The reveal of Momo's identity is interesting, though slightly out of left-field. There are many interesting implications for the future in this chapter. I'm getting Skypia vibes with this deep bond of loyalty between Wano country and Zou. It seems to imply that the countries hundred of years ago collaborated with each other in the creation and protection of the Poneglyphs. I guess that's sort of obvious at this point in the story, but Kishi is building up to something big.

I'm wondering where this is going to go at this point. Is Luffy still going to go after Sanji alone? Maybe the crew will split up again with half going to Wano and the other half will concentrate on bringing Sanji back.

I can't wait for Kunoichi and any other famale characters in Wano. I'm so ready for the Japanese equivalent island in the One Piece universe.

law is going to still on zou with a team to defend against jack and law is going to lead a smaller team to rescue sanji with the ninja coming so he will not be there when jack comes back

[Razh]

@hosemisnuba:

I wonder why…....

Check firelord111's visitor messages.

[sanji''s_dad]

@hosemisnuba:

I know this has nothing to do with the subject at hand, but Monkey King, Zeph, or whatever you want to call him got banned. I wonder why…....

EDIT: Sorry if this may cause unwanted discussion mods; delete this post if you feel its best.

firelord111 - February 25th, 2016 11:37 PMView Conversation Report
hello can you tell me why is monkey king banned ?

Robby - February 25th, 2016 11:49 PMView Conversation Report
Squabble with some of the staff. He'll be back in a few days.

[Razh]

@sanji''s_dad:

Seems this time it was because he was swearing a lot in his posts took him a long time to get banned i bet he already made a new account though lol.

You should really check this out:
http://arlongpark.wikia.com/wiki/Zephos

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Woah there, went too far!

[Vectorkov]

No Monkey King and no Darth…. let's not make it too tame around here.

[juiceduphody3315]

Most be the conquerers eg…poneglyph. Summons a arch demon angel...i mean ancient weapon

[Suigetsu]

So, raizou clothes are taken from traditional kabuki like Kanjuro style and this pic (even the diamond shaped thingies):

• His ugly face seems to be the Hannya traditional mask (like Hannyabal)

-His eyebrows are shaped like lighting bolts (RAIzou)
-His moon shaped scar on the forehead could be a reference to naruto headband and obviously to the kouzuki family he is affiliated to (kouzuki = moonlight)

Did you find other references?

[lello4ever]

it is really interesting that such an extremely powerful trio like issho, sengoku and tsuru could not capture jack. we know that issho and sengoku are two of the most powerful marines. so in the end are marines less powerful than the top pirates? from marineford we saw that the most powerful pirate can beat the most powerful admiral. for sure on average an admiral alone should be on par with the second in command of a yonko like marco against kizaru. why issho and sengoku together could not capture jack? oda did not mention any other top fighter in his crew so…

[sgamer82]

There could be other factors, such as Jack escaping by faking his death or one or more fighters having to hold back to avoid sinking their ships.

[joesephes]

Oh sweet, a new poneglyph! Glad to see Robin finally having some importance in this arc! Also, I'm not too surprised by Raizou's appearance since for a while I had a feeling that he might look a little goofy design-wise. Despite that, he does seem kinda cool. :)

Anyway, this was a nice chapter.*

[sgamer82]

The description I've since come up with for Raizo amounts to "Rastafari version of the ninja from Dragon Ball."

[KageKageKing]

@sgamer82:

There could be other factors, such as Jack escaping by faking his death or one or more fighters having to hold back to avoid sinking their ships.

For someone who might have faked his death, he is pretty pissed about it.

[sgamer82]

@KageKageKing:

For someone who might have faked his death, he is pretty pissed about it.

So likely not that then. Though now I'm wondering if he'll end up causing some big incident just to let people know he's alive.

[Long John Silvers Rayleigh]

@Razh:

I'd think someone would have mentioned it if it was known, especially not that long ago when the other supposed Whitebeard's son was discussed.

It wouldn't make much sense for him to hide it, either.

But it also doesn't make sense for Momo to call Kinemon "father" when they are alone, so what do I know.

Well actors who have been playong a role for a long time, can have trouble with having an off switch, momo has been so used to calling him father, he probably said it without thinking

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@Kdom:

Didn’t the chapter spoke of the Kouzuki family ? Then what else can it be but the family name ?
And Momo was supposed to be Kinemon son, so they could only give their first name

Well i mean the name is momonosuke kouzuki in the info box

But kouzuki is the family name, so it should be kouzuki momonosuke if it had regular japanese styling but I think oda might habe flipped the script here since wano represents japan and most nations are the opposite linguistically, so why not have wano be the same

[sgamer82]

@Long:

Well i mean the name is momonosuke kouzuki in the info box

But kouzuki is the family name, so it should be kouzuki momonosuke if it had regular japanese styling but I think oda might habe flipped the script here since wano represents japan and most nations are the opposite linguistically, so why not have wano be the same

Looking at the raws in the spoiler thread, it looks like it does say Kozuki Momonosuke.

[Green-Hair 0]

In all honesty if you didn't see Raizou being kind of goofy and weird like Kinemon and Kanjuro that's too bad. I dig Raizou. We have so, so many stereotypical badass/silent killer ninja types in so much media nowadays. It's cool to have something different that's a ninja type character. He has a bit of an old-fashioned feel to him too and speaks just like the other two samurai. I'm not much in too most of the goofy side characters in One Piece and honestly wasn't a fan of the reveal of the 7th shichibukai being Weeble but I like Raizou. I don't know why really lol.

[Wipa]

@lello4ever:

it is really interesting that such an extremely powerful trio like issho, sengoku and tsuru could not capture jack. we know that issho and sengoku are two of the most powerful marines. so in the end are marines less powerful than the top pirates? from marineford we saw that the most powerful pirate can beat the most powerful admiral. for sure on average an admiral alone should be on par with the second in command of a yonko like marco against kizaru. why issho and sengoku together could not capture jack? oda did not mention any other top fighter in his crew so…

Even though Jack looks and behaves like a brute, my guess is he most likely tried subterfuge or some other underhand tactic. His aim was to retrieve Doflamingo not confront the trio. The three admirals' primary objective is securing Doflamingo and escorting him to wherever… not capturing Jack. I think people think he tried to take them head on based on the panel we saw where he's scoping out the ships transporting Doffy.

[BeariousJones]

Whitebeard having an "evil" son makes more sense than him having a "dumb" son. Whitebeard would have taken care of Weeble/Weevil I believe if he knew he existed. Whitebeard disowning an evil son who is currently hiding his face with a metal jaw seems plausible to me. Last hidden face surprise was a good one with Duval. And Whitebeard may have felt guilty for disowning his son or thinking he got killed possibly making him want a family in particularly sons.

Huge picture for comparison

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[Razh]

@Long:

Well actors who have been playong a role for a long time, can have trouble with having an off switch, momo has been so used to calling him father, he probably said it without thinking

I think I just had an overload of lame justifications, thank you.

[Buggy D. Clown]

I think when we have the Wano Arc..we will see Momo releasing a CoC burst unconsciously either when he is in trouble or someone else he cares for is getting owned.

I think CoC for him is pretty much confirmed if he can hear the voice of all things, which is pretty rare on its own.

[Razh]

@lello4ever:

it is really interesting that such an extremely powerful trio like issho, sengoku and tsuru could not capture jack. we know that issho and sengoku are two of the most powerful marines. so in the end are marines less powerful than the top pirates? from marineford we saw that the most powerful pirate can beat the most powerful admiral. for sure on average an admiral alone should be on par with the second in command of a yonko like marco against kizaru. why issho and sengoku together could not capture jack? oda did not mention any other top fighter in his crew so…

It's not like they fought on some island in an arena. The situation was probably a mess. None of the fighters could have gone all out, considering they could destroy their own ship and die. It certainly wasn't an old fashioned showing of strength. I doubt Jack even got near, considering both Fujitora and Sengoku have devastating ranged attacks.

[firelord111]

dont speak ill of weeble
he may turn out super powerfull
raizou reminds me of foxy

[The Franky Tank]

@firelord111:

dont speak ill of weeble
he may turn out super powerfull
raizou reminds me of foxy

Pretty sure we have everything pointing out that he is indeed strong. He did take out a bunch of the old Whitebeard crew by himself, and we know the crew isn't a pushover. Then we have Kizaru talking about his strength to a young Whitebeard, saying that it could be a problem. Unless Granny has a power to give another person super strength, Weeble is indeed strong and just a question of how he compares to other people. He could be on the same level as Jack, lower, or higher.

Fun little chapter but nothing grand like some of the last few chapters. While it was unnecessarily stretched, I did have a blast with Raizo interacting with all the different crew and the reactions. I don't hate the design but currently indifferent to it. Depending on how his character plays out and what he does will change my view on him. Not a whole lot to really say beyond that.

[Forestry]

@andre:

What makes it obvious?

im joking, that's why i added "lol" although i would be pretty amazed if i end up actually right and it's in some way related to haki. Maybe someone embedded the poneglyph with haki in order to keep it intact? dunno

[madriano]

@Forestry:

im joking, that's why i added "lol" although i would be pretty amazed if i end up actually right and it's in some way related to haki. Maybe someone embedded the poneglyph with haki in order to keep it intact? dunno

Aren't they all made to be indestructible?

[Forestry]

@madriano:

Aren't they all made to be indestructible?

well, the ancients were able to engrave them and shape them, so why wouldn't another person change them somehow? i dunno if the poneglyph are made of seastone, but if so, the government must have a way to shape them because they manufacture all sorts of tools with it (handcuffs, bullets, cages, etc) actually, i think poneglyph are not made of seastone. proof right here: http://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/202/18 Robin touches one, while using her devilfruit powers to hold that king guy (forgot his name)

[here 4 spoilers]

lmao raizou looks like he could be father to the fatass helicopter that was paired up with baby 5

[sanji''s_dad]

@The:

Pretty sure we have everything pointing out that he is indeed strong. He did take out a bunch of the old Whitebeard crew by himself, and we know the crew isn't a pushover. Then we have Kizaru talking about his strength to a young Whitebeard, saying that it could be a problem. Unless Granny has a power to give another person super strength, Weeble is indeed strong and just a question of how he compares to other people. He could be on the same level as Jack, lower, or higher.

Fun little chapter but nothing grand like some of the last few chapters. While it was unnecessarily stretched, I did have a blast with Raizo interacting with all the different crew and the reactions. I don't hate the design but currently indifferent to it. Depending on how his character plays out and what he does will change my view on him. Not a whole lot to really say beyond that.

actually he was hunting whitebeard's allies not his crew since he had no idea where whitebeard's crew were hiding which are being led by marco they are not as strong the whitebeard pirates.

he was asking them where the remaining whitebeard pirates were if luffy actually knew where marco was and told him he might even leave luffy alone since he is after the remaining whitebeard pirates so he can get their treasure for his fake mom

[Supernova]

[https://blueeyesdragonics.wordpress.com/2016/02/26/one-piece-817-when-it-comes-to-girls-im-similar-to-raizou/

T](https://blueeyesdragonics.wordpress.com/2016/02/26/one-piece-817-when-it-comes-to-girls-im-similar-to-raizou/)he fact that this guy is a homage to Jiriya pretty much makes him perfect.

[Gamabounta]

@Forestry:

its a poneglyph with haki, i think that much is obvious.

lol

I read your post as a joke (hope I get it right :p) however it made me think, has it been theorized that evry ponyglyphs are indestruct due to be filled with Haki by D's or something like that?

[Razh]

@Gamabounta:

I read your post as a joke (hope I get it right :p) however it made me think, has it been theorized that evry ponyglyphs are indestruct due to be filled with Haki by D's or something like that?

If I remember well, when it was said that PGs are indestructible, it was also said that not even explosions left scratches. But explosions are like farts compared to what some fighters in OP can do. I don't think they are really indestructible, just really really hard.

[sanji''s_dad]

@Gamabounta:

I read your post as a joke (hope I get it right :p) however it made me think, has it been theorized that evry ponyglyphs are indestruct due to be filled with Haki by D's or something like that?

Jinbe found one under the sea in his cover story so it seems that even if you have enough power to destroy a island its not enough to destroy it still.

they could have made them out of something from the moon or whatever planet the Devil clan came from.

[Gamabounta]

@Razh:

If I remember well, when it was said that PGs are indestructible, it was also said that not even explosions left scratches. But explosions are like farts compared to what some fighters in OP can do. I don't think they are really indestructible, just really really hard.

True explosions are a joke in One Piece (Alabasta, etc), but I always took for granted they can't be broken in order for the Void Century not to be lost if WG find them. While writing this post I just asked myself how Roger could have written on a poneglyph (meaning it's destructible) but after rereading the chapter I have no clue.

Man, I'm so waiting for a flashback where we'll see them building poneglyph…

@sanji''s_dad:

Jinbe found one under the sea in his cover story so it seems that even if you have enough power to destroy a island its not enough to destroy it still.
they could have made them out of something from the moon or whatever planet the Devil clan came from.

Yup, maybe some clue once Enel shows up. Or not.

[O baba]

hope they will tell about zou itself more

[BigLuffy559]

@Gamabounta:

True explosions are a joke in One Piece (Alabasta, etc), but I always took for granted they can't be broken in order for the Void Century not to be lost if WG find them. While writing this post I just asked myself how Roger could have written on a poneglyph (meaning it's destructible) but after rereading the chapter I have no clue.

Roger wrote on the gold surrounding the poneglyph, not directly on it.

[Razh]

@Gamabounta:

True explosions are a joke in One Piece (Alabasta, etc), but I always took for granted they can't be broken in order for the Void Century not to be lost if WG find them. While writing this post I just asked myself how Roger could have written on a poneglyph (meaning it's destructible) but after rereading the chapter I have no clue.

Roger wrote his message on the bell stand next to poneglyph.

At this point it could be anything. Haki, spirits, result of a devil fruit used 800 years ago, a technology that allows some people to pick up on the information transmitted on a special frequency, a technology that awakens memories embedded inside DNA itself (like knowing how to read dead language)… Take a pick.

[Buggy D. Clown]

Calling it now, Momo has CoC! We will see a CoC burst from him very soon in Wano most likely!

[Kaido King of the Beasts]

This chapter will likely be the first chapter of Volume 82, so Jack's appearance in the first page definitely means something for the near future.

[Shobu Yoruichi]

Oh, i thought all the 'nature swordman' were swordmen. We have Rain, Mist and the one in Thriller Bark can't remember the name.

Red Poneglyph? the fuck with that paint to last that long… unless there's red and blue undestructible stones in the world.

Raizou's a blast! 'Hit the brakes' my new March favorite phrase.

[Sads]

[bigtree]

Raizou reminds me of Goemon from the Mystical Ninja game.

Raizou or Jinbei for SH Nakama :ninja:

[jazzflower92]

I want to know if Raizo has a devil fruit or just relies on his ninja skills. But I could definitely see how Jiraiya influenced Raizo, because they even do the same sort of stance.

[Ukimix]

@jazzflower92:

I want to know if Raizo has a devil fruit or just relies on his ninja skills. But I could definitely see how Jiraiya influenced Raizo, because they even do the same sort of stance.

We'll know when he sees Nami…

[jazzflower92]

@Ukimix:

We'll know when he sees Nami…

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/inciclopedia/images/c/cf/Jiraiya.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/180?cb=20070401215606

You bet your butt, that's the look he would give to her.

[Forestry]

@bigtree:

Raizou reminds me of Goemon from the Mystical Ninja game.

Raizou or Jinbei for SH Nakama :ninja:

he reminds me of

[fullscalenuclearwar]

Why the dislike on Raizou? Hes really funny with his stupid face, haven't laughed this hard in a while now.

Imo he's so much entertaining being this way than just another pretty face white horse prince.

[Screwtape]

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