It is announced that Himouto! Umaru-chan (series from Young Jump) going to get an animation.
The "Shueisha" Thread
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Yep, if toei actually did a faithful adaptation to a later time, then maybe it would have actually been successful and a big boost to manga sales.
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Yep, if toei actually did a faithful adaptation to a later time, then maybe it would have actually been successful and a big boost to manga sales.
In reality Toriko volumes got almost the double of its original sales with the anime and it got a really huge exposure, more than what Ufotable would ever be able to do.
A 2 times boost is basically the benchmark for a mega successful adaptation. Toriko got 1.7 times boost, from a volume selling ~209k before going out of oricon to ~350k. So the boost was indeed BIG!
When talking of majority of audience, the mainstream one, they don't really care about the quality of the animation, nor the quantity of violence reduced, if it is at least decent, so more important than that is if the story is of their liking.
The adaptation was faithful enough until the original ending!
The anime aired for 3 entire years, if it got only that popular is majorly due to people tastes of the time and the quality of the series, and less about how it was adapted by the company.Also people assume wrongly that the Toriko Crossovers with One Piece and Dragon Ball bring that much people to a series. First Crossovers is not a very good vehicle of promotion and they in fact aren't used for that! And Given that Toriko aired just before One Piece in the same channel, that exposure is basically the same as that of the crossover and the fact that it happens every weeks makes it even stronger!
Also another thing: One Piece before having anime was already printing 850k copies per volume, Assassination Classroom 1M, Haikyuu!! was already selling 350k and printing 500k and Boku no Hero Academia in his first volume is already selling 150k and has a 300k printing.
Have you people ever thought that Toriko isn't that much popular, because it is just isn't! Instead of starting complaining about the anime. -
Have you people ever thought that Toriko isn't that much popular, because it is just isn't! Instead of starting complaining about the anime.
Are you talking about now or since the start of the serialization?
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Are you talking about now or since the start of the serialization?
All the time.
With only the manga,
With the manga and anime,
And with the manga and anime over.Most people talk about how the anime didn't made the title has popular as what it could be, and even some talk about how it ruined the title.
It seems a lot of people believe that showing more blood, more severed members, more edgyness in the anime increases a series popularity. If that indeed was true, than One Piece is not getting his full potential, given that the anime show as little blood as possible. -
Well, at least can we agree that Toriko isn't doing well on rankings as it was years ago because more popular series popped up?
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Well, at least can we agree that Toriko isn't doing well on rankings as it was years ago because more popular series popped up?
Is not that simple. Only 2 popular series popped this year, Hinomaru Zumou and Boku no Hero Academia, and Toriko was already falling before that.
Assassination Classroom and Soma were already popular in a time Toriko was still really popular itself. So they aren't the cause for his decrease. Even though they didn't helped.
All the other popular newbie of the time(Haikyuu!!, Nisekoi, Psi Kusuo Sainan, World Trigger) were behind Toriko in the rankings as well.Kuroko no Basket ended, but Toriko popularity also kept the same. The same for Naruto.
It seems a case of a series going out of favor than other better series removing it from its place. Also to note that even though it fell out of his previous position, constant 4th place. It still gets pretty good rankings.
Probably people didn't like this recent arcs that much. To be true since the timeskip that the title isn't at its best: problems of pacing and some storytelling risque decisions, that personally I didn't liked that much and I can see readers thinking the same. -
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@Galaxy:
Those two things don't really go together.
Actually, the WT anime is pretty faithful so far. Doesn't make it good though due its well, "average" animation quality.
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People just feel that Toriko deserves more, so they can't understand why its not more popular and try to find reasons for it. As for its quality after the timeskip, I disagree with you.
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People just feel that Toriko deserves more, so they can't understand why its not more popular and try to find reasons for it. As for its quality after the timeskip, I disagree with you.
The problem is that the reasons given are most of the time bad. Talking an adaptation destroyed the popularity of the title due to last episodes of an anime, that ran for 3 years.
About the timeskip is more of a personal thing, but I ask you:
! do you thought that making the timeskip start after the Komatsu rescue, returning right back to the Human World and making a arc of it; speeding through the first king, first Area and first Acacia course in 23 chapters; going directly to another king that is also connected to another Acacia course and another Area, Saying that Area 7 is enormous but speeding through it(I wouldn't give it more than 10 chapters), defining a lot of monkey enemies and levels just to speed through all that in one chapter, do you thought of that as really good routes to go for the series?
! About the connection between Kings, Acacia full course and Areas in the gourmet world. If things keep being like they are going, then the gourmet world will have only 9 arcs, 8 for the Kings-Acacia full course-Gourmet World Areas and than 1 last for the Blue Nitro. If we assume that every King-Course-Area Arc will be around 23 chapters(half a year) like the King Heracles, as it looks it will be, then in 4 years the Kings, the Gourmet World and the Acacia course will be completed and we will only have the last arc with the Blue Nitro.
For me that looks to much compressed for what it could be and it seemed it would be for all the previously talk of the Gourmet World, of the Kings and of the Acacia Course. Well I guess that I just wanted more than what it being given. -
@Bigivel you should put detailed plot in spoiler tags. Thanks.
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I wonder if there will ever be a Toriko and Bleach anime continuation….
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The problem is that the reasons given are most of the time bad. Talking an adaptation destroyed the popularity of the title due to last episodes of an anime, that ran for 3 years.
About the timeskip is more of a personal thing, but I ask you:
! do you thought that making the timeskip start after the Komatsu rescue, returning right back to the Human World and making a arc of it; speeding through the first king, first Area and first Acacia course in 23 chapters; going directly to another king that is also connected to another Acacia course and another Area, Saying that Area 7 is enormous but speeding through it(I wouldn't give it more than 10 chapters), defining a lot of monkey enemies and levels just to speed through all that in one chapter, do you thought of that as really good routes to go for the series?
! About the connection between Kings, Acacia full course and Areas in the gourmet world. If things keep being like they are going, then the gourmet world will have only 9 arcs, 8 for the Kings-Acacia full course-Gourmet World Areas and than 1 last for the Blue Nitro. If we assume that every King-Course-Area Arc will be around 23 chapters(half a year) like the King Heracles, as it looks it will be, then in 4 years the Kings, the Gourmet World and the Acacia course will be completed and we will only have the last arc with the Blue Nitro.
For me that looks to much compressed for what it could be and it seemed it would be for all the previously talk of the Gourmet World, of the Kings and of the Acacia Course. Well I guess that I just wanted more than what it being given.! Toriko has always been fast in regards to pacing. That's literally nothing new and I fail to see why fans keep mentioning it as a problem, especially since the timeskip, when it has always been like that. Area 7 being huge is simply a matter of the scale of the worldbuilding and the level of feats that the characters are able to do, not a matter of pacing. Having a mountain 10 times bigger than the Everest doesn't mean that the story will take a long time getting through it, nor do I see why it should.
! Its true that the author not showing how Toriko got Komatsu back and what happened was unexpected, but there's obviously intent in that decision. I will have to see what the author's plans are to actually be able to tell you if it was good the fact that he skipped it or not.
! Also, I don't share your concerns about it being "compressed". Toriko already has 32 volumes out there. And dealing with just one King basically took 1 whole volume (Volume 32) and there are more 7 Kings. Going through all the gourmet world and then the important fights with antagonists will make it have at the very least more than 40 volumes, perhaps even reaching 50. And this is without considering a Space arc, which has already been hinted in several details. For comparison, Dragon Ball only had 42 volumes and Fist of the North Star only had 27 volumes, and these two mangas share more similarities with Toriko than mangas like One Piece.
! Toriko is not One Piece. It will never be as long nor will it even try to achieve the same pacing or objectives of One Piece. It has its own style, which is great. And that style has always been fast paced and about what is awesome. That hasn't changed at all after the timeskip. -
You know, I always liked those one chapter stand-alone chapters like the Chicken Tiger, Alcohol Island and the Christmas Special.
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I wonder if there will ever be a Toriko and Bleach anime continuation….
Bleach will probably get a filler free season after the manga actually wraps up in another year or three.
Given how the entirety of the current arc has been paced, they can probably do the whole 200 or so chapters in about 8 episodes.
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I mean I like Toriko and all but I honestly think that its placement in the rankings in general tends to be where I'd put it, _especially_ with consideration to the competition.
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Well, I don't follow a lot of the other series, but comparing it to One Piece, which is frequently number 1, I have to say that there are many weeks where I enjoy the Toriko chapter more than the One Piece chapter, even though One Piece is a stronger series as a whole. So, yeah, to me it feels it deserves more but its hard to say without following all of the series in the magazine.
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Well, I don't follow a lot of the other series, but comparing it to One Piece, which is frequently number 1, I have to say that there are many weeks where I enjoy the Toriko chapter more than the One Piece chapter, even though One Piece is a stronger series as a whole. So, yeah, to me it feels it deserves more but its hard to say without following all of the series in the magazine.
Comparing with OP isn't really good idea. Plus, not just OP, there are other series which has become regular top 5 series, so yeah, just based on OP's ranking doesn't really give a good conclusion about the current status for Toriko.
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Yeah like I mean Toriko's fun, but I'd definitely say that there's been a whole crop that are just consistently super duper where in contrast, and in line with a lot of the criticism that gets bashed in the Toriko thread, there's a lot of stuff I just don't agree with when it comes to the way Toriko the story is handled, and it seems like that's a general consensus thing with the voters as well.
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@Kaizou:
Comparing with OP isn't really good idea. Plus, not just OP, there are other series which has become regular top 5 series, so yeah, just based on OP's ranking doesn't really give a good conclusion about the current status for Toriko.
One Piece is frequently number 1, so, even though its not a conclusive way to determine if Toriko should be higher like I said, it does give me an idea. Especially since I am familiar with some of the series that frequently stay above Toriko besides One Piece, just not all, and I like them less than Toriko. Naruto for example, before it ended, never deserved to be higher than Toriko and it frequently was.
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One Piece is frequently number 1, so, even though its not a conclusive way to determine if Toriko should be higher like I said, it does give me an idea. Especially since I am familiar with some of the series that frequently stay above Toriko besides One Piece, just not all, and I like them less than Toriko. Naruto for example, before it ended, never deserved to be higher than Toriko and it frequently was.
OP isn't really a frequent number 1 anymore. When you follow the series, like AC and BnHA, are also getting frequent number 1 as much as OP, now. So, it really isn't good idea to compare OP with Toriko anymore. Plus, you shouldn't really keep comparing to OP anymore; Toriko isn't a frequent top 5 series.
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Naruto wasn't the best quality, but it was kind of one of those things where it had a certain seniority to it and a fanbase that's been rooted into the magazine for ages even if people get pissy about shipping.
Unlike Bleach, which has been around for awhile but jumped the shark 99% of people who even thought it was good during the fullbringer arc
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@Kaizou:
OP isn't really a frequent number 1 anymore. When you follow the series, like AC and BnHA, are also getting frequent number 1 as much as OP, now. So, it really isn't good idea to compare OP with Toriko anymore. Plus, you shouldn't really keep comparing to OP anymore; Toriko isn't a frequent top 5 series.
I think the graph disagrees.
@Purple:
Naruto wasn't the best quality, but it was kind of one of those things where it had a certain seniority to it and a fanbase that's been rooted into the magazine for ages even if people get pissy about shipping.
Unlike Bleach, which has been around for awhile but jumped the shark 99% of people who even thought it was good during the fullbringer arc
That's just an excuse for the ranks. The fact is that Naruto hadn't been actually good for a very long time and it still ranked almost always better than Toriko, undeservingly so.
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I have no idea how to read that graph, but it doesn't seem to disprove kaizou 10's point?
And as for Naruto's popularity being an excuse for the rankings, I mean, duh? Sure it may not be as entertaining, but it draws the votes in. So… tough shit?
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I think the graph disagrees.
So, what about it?
Plus, even though you are trying to compare OP with Toriko, but you should remember that Toriko was never popular as OP, or Naruto, or Bleach, or Kuroko, or AC, or Haikyuu!!. Comparing Toriko with those series isn't really effective, and saying that, "I don't read those series" do not automatically make your argument stronger.
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@Kaizou:
Did you actually look at the ToC of past issues? Or did you follow by just that?
My statement was that One Piece is frequently number 1.
You argued against that.
This graph was posted in this topic recently and its my understanding that reflects 2014 or at least a good portion of the year.
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@Kaizou:
So, what about it?
Plus, even though you are trying to compare OP with Toriko, but you should remember that Toriko was never popular as OP, or Naruto, or Bleach, or Kuroko, or AC, or Haikyuu!!.
My point was that I feel that Toriko should be higher on the rankings, IMO. That's all. That is why I compared it to series who perform better than Toriko, like One Piece, which is frequently in number 1, and which chapters I, many times, enjoy more than the corresponding One Piece chaptesr, even though, as a whole I think One Piece is a better series. Not sure what your point is anymore…
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Like what does that graph even mean? Honest question here, because I'm having difficulty discerning what the data is saying without labeled axes, and having rankings inbetween numbers doesn't make sense to me.
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My statement was that One Piece is frequently number 1.
You argued against that.
This graph was posted in this topic recently and its my understanding that reflects 2014 or at least a good portion of the year.
So…
Whatever it is, OP getting frequent number 1 or not does not relate to Toriko should get higher rank or not; they don't relate to each other. Plus, as I mentioned before, Toriko was never being high popular series as OP, Naruto, AC, Kuroko, etc., etc. It doesn't mean anything.
And honestly, Toriko isn't really exciting and interesting as it used to be now. The other younger series are far more better than Toriko, now.
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@Purple:
Like what does that graph even mean? Honest question here, because I'm having difficulty discerning what the data is saying without labeled axes, and having rankings inbetween numbers doesn't make sense to me.
I believe its a summary of the series rankings over a long period of time, read from left to right, with the left column being the positions. The yellow line, for example, reflects Naruto. It started at around 7th place and ended at around 5th place. You can actually see that its line ends before the other lines because the manga ended and the others continued.
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Yeah, but like, why are there rankings that exist between integer numbers?
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My point was that I feel that Toriko should be higher on the rankings, IMO. That's all. That is why I compared it to series who perform better than Toriko, like One Piece, which is frequently in number 1, and which chapters I, many times, enjoy more than the corresponding One Piece chaptesr, even though, as a whole I think One Piece is a better series. Not sure what your point is anymore…
It isn't just about OP; it is basically that your opinion is just about between OP and Toriko, and ignoring other high ranked series. Just comparing to OP doesn't make Toriko to deserve higher.
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One Piece is frequently number 1, so, even though its not a conclusive way to determine if Toriko should be higher like I said, it does give me an idea. Especially since I am familiar with some of the series that frequently stay above Toriko besides One Piece, just not all, and I like them less than Toriko. Naruto for example, before it ended, never deserved to be higher than Toriko and it frequently was.
Well Naruto has a Huge and Strong Fanbase, created in more than a decade. The only way for it to go down is if Kishimoto wrote something really bad, and when I'm saying bad I'm talking of something even worse than the things Naruto chapters had. So Naruto is not a good way to compare.
Well One Piece is in the same boat as Naruto, with a fanbase of 17 years, and given that during all that time was the unquestionable number 1 title it really needs to do some cosmic blasphemy to get down of his spot. Also One Piece frequency is manly in 1st and 2nd place of the TOC, not just 1st place.A better series to compare how Toriko is doing right now is Haikyuu!! that one could say is taking its old place. Shokugeki no Soma is also a good series to compare.
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@Kaizou:
Whatever it is, OP getting frequent number 1 or not does not relate to Toriko should get higher rank or not; they don't relate to each other. Plus, as I mentioned before, Toriko was never being high popular series as OP, Naruto, AC, Kuroko, etc., etc. It doesn't mean anything.
And honestly, Toriko isn't really exciting and interesting as it used to be now. The other younger series are far more better than Toriko, now.
It relates to me, since I was giving my opinion on the rankings. And since I feel that, in many weeks, I would rate Toriko's chapter higher than One Piece, I believe that the comparison is perfectly relevant to how I feel about the rankings. Still not sure what your point is…
@Kaizou:
It isn't just about OP; it is basically that your opinion is just about between OP and Toriko, and ignoring other high ranked series. Just comparing to OP doesn't make Toriko to deserve higher.
Look… Like I've already told you that, it can't be a definite answer because, like I said, I don't follow all the series, but comparing Toriko to the number 1, gives me an idea of how I feel about it, especially since there are also other series that I am familiar with that also rank higher and that I would rank lower than Toriko in most chapters.
Don't know why you are making me repeat myself when this was clear from my posts from the start…
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Well Naruto has a Huge and Strong Fanbase, created in more than a decade. The only way for it to go down is if Kishimoto wrote something really bad, and when I'm saying bad I'm talking of something even worse than the things Naruto chapters had. So Naruto is not a good way to compare.
Well One Piece is in the same boat as Naruto, with a fanbase of 17 years, and given that during all that time was the unquestionable number 1 title it really needs to do some cosmic blasphemy to get down of his spot. Also One Piece frequency is manly in 1st and 2nd place of the TOC, not just 1st place.A better series to compare how Toriko is doing right now is Haikyuu!! that one could say is taking its old place. Shokugeki no Soma is also a good series to compare.
You are just listing reasons and explanations for why they rank better. I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about how I, personally, feel about Toriko's ranking and what I feel it deserves. The explanations for why its not so, like Naruto having a legion of fanboys, are irrelevant for my view on what I feel it deserves.
And I consider Shokugeki no Soma inferior to Toriko most of the time. I'm not familiar with Haikyuu!!.
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@Purple:
Yeah, but like, why are there rankings that exist between integer numbers?
I didn't understand your question.
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It relates to me, since I was giving my opinion on the rankings and since I feel that, in many weeks, I would rate Toriko's chapter higher than One Piece, I believe that the comparison is perfectly relevant to how I feel about the rankings. Still not sure what your point is…
Look... Like I've already told you that, it can't be a definite answer because, like I said, I don't follow all the series, but comparing Toriko to the number 1, gives me an idea of how I feel about it, especially since there are also other series that I am familiar with that also rank higher and that I would rank lower than Toriko in most chapters.
Don't know why you are making me repeat myself when this was clear from my posts from the start…
I'm talking your narrow perspective on manga. Your just making every opinion after creating a layer that OP should always be number 1, and just making comparison with Toriko with that. That's I'm arguing against. Your just making assumption that except Toriko, every series is placed in right correct in a ToC except for Toriko (it is like you are making Toriko exception as compare to other series).
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So like, if these were rankings, you'd expect them to only be whole numbers 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, etc.
And yet the graph has rankings where they're at like 17.2. Like one time, Bleach and Kochikame even overlap.
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It seem that graph is to be read from right to left, the horizontal line means the issues of the magazine and the vertical is the average ranking. The line of a series shows what is the average cumulative ranking in a given issue.
That graph doesn't shows the rankings though. One Piece rankings last year are:
–(--) 2( 1) 2( 1) 3( 2) 1(cp) 2( 1) 2( 1) 3( 2) 3( 2) --(--) 2( 1) 2( 1) 2( 1) 1(cp) --(--) 2( 1) 3( 2) 3( 2) --(--) 1(cp) 3( 2) 2( 1) 3( 2) 3( 2) --(--) --(--) 1(cp) 3( 2) 3( 2) --(--) 2( 1) 2( 1) 3( 2) 1(cp) 2( 1) 4( 3) 3( 2) 3( 2) 3( 2) --(--) 2( 1) 2( 1) 1(cp) 3( 2) --(--) 2( 1) 3( 2) 3( 2)Numbers out of parenthesis -> Raw Rankings
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I figure that the horizontal axis is supposed to represent "weeks since the current date", whatever that date may be, but the vertical axis makes no sense in how it's produced.
So like seriously, what does this graph mean, and where does the data come from?
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@Kaizou:
I'm talking your narrow perspective on manga. Your just making every opinion after creating a layer that OP should always be number 1, and just making comparison with Toriko with that. That's I'm arguing against. Your just making assumption that except Toriko, every series is placed in right correct in a ToC except for Toriko (it is like you are making Toriko exception as compare to other series).
What are you talking about…?
I was the first to admit that I couldn't give a definite answer because I don't know all of the series of the magazine.
But from the ones that I do know, especially looking at One Piece simply because its frequently ranked as number 1, I feel that Toriko deserved better spots in the rankings, IMO.
How is that having a narrow perspective on manga? What are you even talking about..?
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@Purple:
I figure that the horizontal axis is supposed to represent "weeks since the current date", whatever that date may be, but the vertical axis makes no sense in how it's produced.
So like seriously, what does this graph mean, and where does the data come from?
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How is that having a narrow perspective on manga? What are you even talking about?
You are just making comparison with OP and Toriko, and keep having an assumption that OP is better than other Jump series (except Toriko on your perspective) without even reading other series.
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Horizontal are issues of the magazine!
Vertical average cumulative ranking!That doesn't quite make sense, though, because if they're issues of the magazine, then, BnHA and HZ shouldn't be appear in the order that they did in the graph I think.
Also, average cumulative ranking of what? over the month? year?
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@Purple:
That doesn't quite make sense, though, because if they're issues of the magazine, then, BnHA and HZ shouldn't be appear in the order that they did in the graph I think.
That is because the horizontal numbers are inverse of what they should be! So basically they should say the issue, but now they say the number of issues left.
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That is because the vertical numbers are inverse of what they should be! So basically they should say the issue, but now they say the number of issues left.
Oy, vey, all in all I'm still not really sure what the graph is supposed to say at all.
And that kids is why you properly title and label your axes as well as cite your references.
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@Kaizou:
You are just making comparison with OP and Toriko, and keep having an assumption that OP is better than other Jump series (except Toriko on your perspective) without even reading other series.
Dude, even if I assume that all the series that I'm not familiar were better than all the series that I do know, Toriko's ranking would be like 4 places higher than it normally is on average if I was ranking it.
And I highly doubt that if I actually read the series that I'm not familiar with, I would find all of them frequently better than One Piece. So, realistically speaking, if I followed them all, Toriko would probably even higher than that on my ranking.
And my point was just that, imo, Toriko deserves better than the rankings it gets.
So, once again, what are you talking about…?
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Dude, even if I assume that all the series that I'm not familiar were better than all the series that I do know, Toriko's ranking would be 4 places higher than it normally is on average if I was ranking it.
And I highly doubt that if I actually read the series that I'm not familiar with, I would find all of them frequently better than One Piece. So, realistically speaking, if I followed them all, Toriko would probably even higher than that on my ranking.
So, once again, what are you talking about…?
Okay, there is no point to have a conversation with Toriko fanboys. They are only interested to argue how superior Toriko is, and that's about it.