Toriko still sells an average of 300 thousand copies per volume. It's not that bad, but it could be much better.
Toriko II: Ichiryuu's Slimy Insides!!
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All this talk about Toriko's sales decreasing made me go look some data up.
The anime was announced on December 2010, so I chose a volume that got released prior to that. Namely Volume 8 that got released on March, 2010.
- On its first week of sales it sold 129,364 copies and got into the 30 best selling volumes of the week: http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=166561
- On its second week it sold 43,890, making a total of 173,254, and still remaining on the 30 best selling volumes of the week: http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=168259
- On the third week, it was no longer in the 30 best selling volumes of the week: http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=170918
Now, lets look at Volume 31, which was released after the anime ended, on September, 2014:
- On its first week of sales it sold 173,722 copies and got into the 30 best selling volumes of the week: http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1268467
- On its second week it sold 67,242, making a total of 240,964, and still remaining on the 30 best selling volumes of the week: http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1272677
- On the third week, it was no longer in the 30 best selling volumes of the week: http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1276787
So, in conclusion, I think its following the same trend that it followed prior to the anime, with slightly better sales. Maybe it decreased after the anime ended compared to the sales of the volumes that got released while the anime was going on, but its consistent with the data from before the anime, being even slightly better than that. And of course what matters is sales per volume.
Btw, on a side note, the 110th best selling manga of ALL time, "only" sold 20 million copies worldwide: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_manga
So, if Toriko ends on volume 50 and sells exactly 300.000 per volume, it would sell 15 million copies. It wouldn't be enough to break into that top 110 best selling mangas of all time, but still its not bad at all.
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If it does end up being "creamy", when one "beats the monkey" would it be correct in saying they're preparing PAIR?
Word, PAIR is a "special preparation" ingredient.
The food isn't PAIR itself, it's what PAIR produces that's the food. From what we know of Acacia course, they're general able to feed a large amount of people, you can't feed many people with just two large human sized balls.
The Soup of PAIR will be the beginnings of life, and will be able to form into anything, sort of like super stem cells.
And that's how Komatsu will get a new heart.
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I'm more talking about how it sold 2.8 million in 2013, putting it right around Bleach, Kingdom, and Gintama. Which is a pretty ballsy group to hang with.
But in the early 2014 results, those three have around 1.4-1.7 million, and Toriko doesn't even make the list, meaning less than 1 million. Now, I know Toriko is the oddball out with three more volumes released since then, compared to the others only having 2, but I'd be shocked as balls if it pulled ahead. just spitballing, Bleach for example would end up with 3.4 million, and Toriko 2.4. Which, looking at the previous year, isn't much of a slide at all, if my numbers are on the ball.
I think it definitely is starting to see the sales fade, because without the anime and Jump playing hardball with the advertising, that's just what will happen. But I don't think there's any cause for alarm, it's obviously still a very profitable series and I think will be allowed to run for quite a few more years, allowing Shimabukuro to just have a ball and write whatever the hell he wants.
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Aren't there supposed to be 3 more masters?
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Did the anime even increase the sales though? It was a really shitty adaption so I thought it lowered them lol
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Aren't there supposed to be 3 more masters?
yes.. and at this point.. it seems like they were never mentioned..
@Average:Did the anime even increase the sales though? It was a really shitty adaption so I thought it lowered them lol
probably.. it was doomed a failure from the start..
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Did the anime even increase the sales though? It was a really shitty adaption so I thought it lowered them lol
Sales spiked in 2011-2012 when it first aired.
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All this talk about Toriko's sales decreasing made me go look some data up.
The anime was announced on December 2010, so I chose a volume that got released prior to that. Namely Volume 8 that got released on March, 2010.
- On its first week of sales it sold 129,364 copies and got into the 30 best selling volumes of the week: http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=166561
- On its second week it sold 43,890, making a total of 173,254, and still remaining on the 30 best selling volumes of the week: http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=168259
- On the third week, it was no longer in the 30 best selling volumes of the week: http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=170918
Now, lets look at Volume 31, which was released after the anime ended, on September, 2014:
- On its first week of sales it sold 173,722 copies and got into the 30 best selling volumes of the week: http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1268467
- On its second week it sold 67,242, making a total of 240,964, and still remaining on the 30 best selling volumes of the week: http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1272677
- On the third week, it was no longer in the 30 best selling volumes of the week: http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1276787
So, in conclusion, I think its following the same trend that it followed prior to the anime, with slightly better sales. Maybe it decreased after the anime ended compared to the sales of the volumes that got released while the anime was going on, but its consistent with the data from before the anime, being even slightly better than that. And of course what matters is sales per volume.
Btw, on a side note, the 110th best selling manga of ALL time, "only" sold 20 million copies worldwide: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_manga
So, if Toriko ends on volume 50 and sells exactly 300.000 per volume, it would sell 15 million copies. It wouldn't be enough to break into that top 110 best selling mangas of all time, but still its not bad at all.
Thank you so much for this information and for reminding me of that intriguing list.
I'm more talking about how it sold 2.8 million in 2013, putting it right around Bleach, Kingdom, and Gintama. Which is a pretty ballsy group to hang with.
But in the early 2014 results, those three have around 1.4-1.7 million, and Toriko doesn't even make the list, meaning less than 1 million. Now, I know Toriko is the oddball out with three more volumes released since then, compared to the others only having 2, but I'd be shocked as balls if it pulled ahead. just spitballing, Bleach for example would end up with 3.4 million, and Toriko 2.4. Which, looking at the previous year, isn't much of a slide at all, if my numbers are on the ball.
I think it definitely is starting to see the sales fade, because without the anime and Jump playing hardball with the advertising, that's just what will happen. But I don't think there's any cause for alarm, it's obviously still a very profitable series and I think will be allowed to run for quite a few more years, allowing Shimabukuro to just have a ball and write whatever the hell he wants.
You made me laugh so good, thank you sir.
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Word, PAIR is a "special preparation" ingredient.
The food isn't PAIR itself, it's what PAIR produces that's the food. From what we know of Acacia course, they're general able to feed a large amount of people, you can't feed many people with just two large human sized balls.
The Soup of PAIR will be the beginnings of life, and will be able to form into anything, sort of like super stem cells.
And that's how Komatsu will get a new heart.
The product is produced from PAIR
It is a soup The Soup of PAIR will be the beginnings of life Is…is it semen?I'm only joking but not really.
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The product is produced from PAIR
It is a soup The Soup of PAIR will be the beginnings of life Is…is it semen?I'm only joking but not really.
PAIR is a soup.
The primordial soup was essentially the ocean.
Males who sail the ocean are known as sea men.Coincidence? I think not.
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@Purple:
PAIR is a soup.
The primordial soup was essentially the ocean.
Males who sail the ocean are known as sea men.Coincidence? I think not.
It would be a pretty ballsy move.
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I wonder how far the author is ready to go with that. The dilemma would killed Sani. Drink semen or pass on a ultimate dish.
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I'm not sure whether I will continue following this manga, if Toriko goes foodgasm mode over a bowl of monkey semen. So I really hope it's something different.
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It's just going to be a soup of boiled balls (I hope)
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@Purple:
PAIR is a soup.
The primordial soup was essentially the ocean.
Males who sail the ocean are known as sea men.Coincidence? I think not.
Amazing! This can't get old.
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Considering Bambina is a female name maybe Pair is breast milk.
And what about those balls Bambina has? Maybe they are a souvenir from its last lover XD
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Btw, on a side note, the 110th best selling manga of ALL time, "only" sold 20 million copies worldwide: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_manga
So, if Toriko ends on volume 50 and sells exactly 300.000 per volume, it would sell 15 million copies. It wouldn't be enough to break into that top 110 best selling mangas of all time, but still its not bad at all.
Wait… didnt Toriko already surpass the 20 million mark?
"A short promotion (pic below) for the 30th volume revealed that Toriko has already surpassed 20 million sales for the volumes. "
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Toriko passed the 20 million mark a while ago, guys. They publish "total sales" every once in a while.
http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/トリコ
According to that the V30 band said total sales 20 million. So by the point V30 went on sale it had sold 20 million. The 3 volumes that've come since then plus total sales of the series is a bunch on top of that.
Toriko ranks among the best selling manga every year, though after the anime ended the sales haven't been as high. That list of best-selling manga article is waaaaaaaaaaaay incomplete, though. It's missing tons of notable series and a bunch of the numbers are approximations. Like a fuckton of manga are all tied at 20 million.
Then once in a while you see some other list that lists completely different numbers for tons of those and doesn't mention some high-ranking ones at all: http://www.mangazenkan.com/ranking/books-circulation.html because of how hard it is to get official numbers on a lot of that stuff. Then there's weird shit like they're only counting volumes, not kanzenbans or bunkobans or compilation-y things. Makes it kinda complicated so you end up just going with whatever the publishers say or what Oricon says.The thing is though, don't equate "how good a series is" to sales or popularity. There's plenty of shit that's popular and plenty of so-so series that're popular and plenty of great series that aren't popular at all. I still don't get how average series like Kuroko and Haikyuu get such high sales. Or why Ansatsu Kyoushitsu or Shingeki no Kyojin get such crazy sales. They both seemed like purely "okay" series to me. It depends on what the market wants and how they're advertised or presented to their audiences, I guess. Whereas Toriko always feels interesting, original, and surprising to me without ever feeling hackneyed or awkward or poorly developed like it's insulting the audience's intelligence. You're free to disagree, that's just my opinion on the matter.
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Wait… didnt Toriko already surpass the 20 million mark?
"A short promotion (pic below) for the 30th volume revealed that Toriko has already surpassed 20 million sales for the volumes. "
Wikipedia also says it did, or am I wrong?Well, I spoke without knowing the total sales for the series. I just made a calculation assuming 300.000 copies sold per volume. If it has surpassed 20 million already, great!
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Well, I spoke without knowing the total sales for the series. I just made a calculation assuming 300.000 copies sold per volume. If it has surpassed 20 million already, great!
Man I wish it would have a proper anime adaption :( ….. it would have 2 times if not even 3 times as much sales
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Does Toriko has a chance to get a anime adaptation from the get-go?
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Yeah, Toei pretty much destroyed the series.
well,actually it's the series itself that it's not as good as it was in the first hundred chapters or so..before at least it tried to make some sense,to make its own world with its own rules..now it's just one absurd thing after the other for the sake of being absurd
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Considering Bambina is a female name maybe Pair is breast milk.
And what about those balls Bambina has? Maybe they are a souvenir from its last lover XD
It was mentioned in the chapter that Bambina is the name of a female that a monkey king courted, and for some reason it stuck for the Monkey Kings in general
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@Myu:
Does Toriko has a chance to get a anime adaptation from the get-go?
I hope so, however I fear that Toei will pick it up again once DBKai is finished –--> http://toriko.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:40221
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I hope Shima does a Souma-style reaction for Toriko & friends when they eat PAIR
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Yeah, Toei pretty much destroyed the series.
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toei are the worst, they've no passion for animation and have little to no creativity. they try so hard to weasel their way out of animating movements, its almost pathetic.
i recently rewatched the first fight between law and vergo in punk hazard, and i was so angered by the amount of face close ups that cut in while there's an attack going, for example vergo is about to kick Law then a close up on vergo's face and a kick sound effect plays… WTF i wanna see the guy getting kicked >:(
i think someone should take avatar the last air bender, cowboy bebop, HXH 2011 and all the other well animated series and just throw them at the people who watch toei animes and tell them "this is animation. here see how character actually move when they talk and aren't paralyzed in a freeze frame etc..."
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@Purple:
I hope Shima does a Souma-style reaction for Toriko & friends when they eat PAIR
Souma-style huh? They do lose their clothes a lot. When they eat PAIR huh? Hmm, four overly muscled guys and maybe Komatsu/Bambina will join them. Wait… are you insinuating what I think you are insinuating?
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well,actually it's the series itself that it's not as good as it was in the first hundred chapters or so..before at least it tried to make some sense,to make its own world with its own rules..now it's just one absurd thing after the other for the sake of being absurd
I don't agree. For example, Toriko said that he took a 15 kg dump or so on the first chapter. Toriko has always been about the over the top.
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well,actually it's the series itself that it's not as good as it was in the first hundred chapters or so..before at least it tried to make some sense,to make its own world with its own rules..now it's just one absurd thing after the other for the sake of being absurd
In other words, the same stuff the author has been giving us since chapter 1. I don't see any difference other than my interest towards the series as of today is ten times the interest I had on when I started reading Toriko.
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It never ceases to amaze me that people don't remember that the first volume or so have things like "alligator that looks like a dinosaur and marks its prey with leeches and threw a whole ecosystem out of whack" and "giant 4-armed apes strong enough to crush a tank are Capture Level 5" and "whale-fish that shrinks to a tiny size once a year when it comes to the surface in one specific dangerous cave full of monsters and become poisonous at the lightest touch" and "giant old man that can transform, restart people's hearts, and rebuild eardrums".
And then people in this thread say things like "No way the Cooking Fest has ratings that high!".
People complain about One Piece's plot being too slow, too tangential, then they come here and say Toriko is too fast and should be more slow, predictable, and like tons of other shounen series out there. I dunno, never makes sense to me. That's largely why I don't go on this thread all that much. I've said it for a while now but there seems to be lots of complaints akin to "It didn't play out the way I wanted/expected to do, therefore it's not good". Also there's a lot of judging of arcs based on stuff that hasn't happened yet, like it's going to go down in a totally-expected manner from here on out and there aren't gonna be any twists, you know, like literally every arc has had. Obviously a lot of people like the series and aren't jerks about it when they don't like something, but a lot of the complaining really irks me. Toriko always goes way out of its way to have logical reasoning for how events happen, but still within the realm of the fantastic and absurd. It's always grounded with logic, character motives and established goals within a setting where extreme things happen. If you want to read a super grounded-in-reality manga there's plenty of great slice of life manga out there to read.
Anyhow, I think it's clear that Kaka isn't being truthful and a lot of shit's gonna change because of that. Kaka has some other motive and her "I'm in his debt" thing is just a way to get Toriko and the others to trust her. Her wanting them to leave Komatsu with her is part of it. I highly doubt the rest of this arc is "fight the monkey, go super-saiyan so you can beat him and eat his balls".
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Yeah, unfortunately people (on the internet at least) seem to want to hate and love to hate.
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I have no complaints about the pace; in fact I really enjoy the breakneck speed of Toriko. I can't really see how it would work if it was slower and took more time to flesh things out. Everything is just so huge, so powerful and so fantastically flabbergasting that if the manga ever took the time to stop and let us process everything it would just seem silly instead of impressive. The illusion would fall apart if we looked at it too closely.
I do still complain about ramifications of the cooking fest arc though because:
-NEO just isn't as interesting as the original antagonists
-We didn't get to see any cooking in a manga that is supposed to be half about cooking! The fights were fine, but I wanted cooking battles!
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I always prefer a past-paced manga, be it weekly or monthly. There are exceptions, though. (And Berserk isn't one)
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never said toriko has ever been a "realistic" manga,but it had rules
now there are no rules
shimabukuro can write whatever he wants now because of that,but that makes the manga less interesting to me.
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People complaining about people complaining.
But hey, if I complain about Toriko it probably will have something to do with it being rushed. I enjoy Toriko for the most part and as one of the people that doesn't even visit the One Piece manga section I'm only vaguely familiar with the complaints about One Piece's pace, and I am thrown off by the breakneck speed of Toriko sometimes. I would like more things fleshed out rather than rushed through. I would like less teases about the awesomeness of the world environment and more than just build-up of the badguys, only to be left at that with nothing more or expanded on. I understand that Toriko is a whole world and not everything can be full blown detailed but things like that awesome maze they were making their way through on the way to that guy's village. I really wish they actually explored that maze more. There were treasure chests. :/
Personally, I only make fun of Toriko BECAUSE everything is so ridiculous and it makes it so easy. No comment on the Blue Oni. Still, a very enjoyable series for me.
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Thanks guys for putting it to words. I'm not disturbed by the humor in this thread after the time-skip.
But putting Toriko on a lower quality because of it's unique approach… U-uh. When you make sure you put enough afford to reading it, it's a great series.
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People complain about One Piece's plot being too slow, too tangential, then they come here and say Toriko is too fast and should be more slow, predictable, and like tons of other shounen series out there. I dunno, never makes sense to me. That's largely why I don't go on this thread all that much. I've said it for a while now but there seems to be lots of complaints akin to "It didn't play out the way I wanted/expected to do, therefore it's not good". Also there's a lot of judging of arcs based on stuff that hasn't happened yet, like it's going to go down in a totally-expected manner from here on out and there aren't gonna be any twists, you know, like literally every arc has had. Obviously a lot of people like the series and aren't jerks about it when they don't like something, but a lot of the complaining really irks me. Toriko always goes way out of its way to have logical reasoning for how events happen, but still within the realm of the fantastic and absurd. It's always grounded with logic, character motives and established goals within a setting where extreme things happen. If you want to read a super grounded-in-reality manga there's plenty of great slice of life manga out there to read. .
Oh captain my captain!
PD: Not only Toriko's plots and designs are fun, unexpected and "overly-over-the-top" week after week (while not losing track of a (kind of) complex big scenario!), but also Shimabukuro proves very often that he is very aware of Toriko's levels of absurdity -I mean, even the other characters believed Toriko and Komatsu where in love! For me, that's one of the most refined ways of storytelling: self-awareness PLUS awareness of the context (via parodies of other's people's works). If it wasn't clear for us non-Japanese speakers before, now, thanks to your translation of Ring [that shit is the most brilliant parody of parodies I've read in a long time], there's no more excuses for not understanding how he enjoys making fun of tropes and other's works (which implies he bastly knows them), and making fun of his own work. As a readers we have rights, but, if you expect something from a work that the author did never intend to do (and has not given any hints that he would, on the contrary), then your only right left is to just stop reading it - or bitch about it without any reasoning behind, of course.
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It's not so much "everything is crazy there are no rules" that I mind, it's just that I miss the 1v1 fights against humanoid opponents. Or at least, the tension that they brought. It's been about a year since Midora vs Ichiro, which was wonderfully insane. The other fights at the end of the Gourmet Tournament were also acceptable.
But since then, we've just sort of seen crazy weather and crazy monsters. And all the action has been incredible one-sided, usually in favor of our protagonists. It feels like they're overleveled and just cruising through these areas, and while I can't say it isn't enjoyable…It's just not what I would prefer. The earlier fights in Toriko, the way the action was drawn and how brutal things could get, really appealed to me so strongly that I can't let that image go. I wish it was a full-on battle manga instead of 90% adventure 10% battle like it is now.
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Anyone ever noticed this before? (Last panel)
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I Woner why Joa was interested in the Century Soup
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I think sometimes people need to remember this is a children's comic were talking about, the same go for one piece, perceived flaws are usually just you as an adult not gelling the content, I'm sure kids love the absurdity and fast pace of toriko.
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I think sometimes people need to remember this is a children's comic were talking about, the same go for one piece, perceived flaws are usually just you as an adult not gelling the content, I'm sure kids love the absurdity and fast pace of toriko.
Just because the target demographic is for children, doesn't excuse its fundamental flaws (pacing being one of them). If that were the case, one ought to be more lenient to Bleach and Naruto simply because it is targeted "for kids"
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I think sometimes people need to remember this is a children's comic were talking about, the same go for one piece, perceived flaws are usually just you as an adult not gelling the content, I'm sure kids love the absurdity and fast pace of toriko.
Just because the target demographic is for children, doesn't excuse its fundamental flaws (pacing being one of them). If that were the case, one ought to be more lenient to Bleach and Naruto simply because it is targeted "for kids"
What befuddles me is how people are only just recently starting to complain about the pace as if Toriko hasn't always moved at a breakneck speed. The Cooking Festival arc was the exception, not the rule.
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What befuddles me is how people are only just recently starting to complain about the pace as if Toriko hasn't always moved at a breakneck speed. The Cooking Festival arc was the exception, not the rule.
Who is keeping track of complaints? Seriously.
Just because your memory only accounts for recent complaints regarding pacing doesn't mean it hasn't been brought up in the past.
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It has been said before by lots of different people. It is a general trend of apforums. if you like anything here you are not a cool and smart critic who understands stuff. It may be a manga, book, movie, or a pizza doesn't matter.
People here just take funny Internet critic so serious that they can't enjoy anything anymore. Or at least that's what they want to look like.
One is the most funny things for me is the fact that their reasoning is rarely based on personal taste but always "objective".
"The characters are bad written"
"It's to fast paced""it's to slow" "that's bad writing" etc etc.I personally don't really care about it, so it's not something that disturbs me.
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You're right Cutty. No one here on Apforums likes anything. We recieve no enjoyment from Toriko. We only get pleasure from being the cool and objective critic you percieve us to be.
YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH SOMETHING?! WHYUHATETORIKO!??!11!?
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I just think that people here like to be overcritical not that they don't like anything.
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I think people like to enjoy things and find others who also enjoy those things so they can talk about their shared interests. They can do this on a forum or a community designed for such things. And when something that they don't like happens in that thing they enjoy, I just think they should also be able to discuss that thing and point it out without others crying foul.
These are the things I think.
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Personally, as someone who hasn't joined the forum that long ago, I agree that many users tend to be overcritical.
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The thing is majority of the over-criticisers do like reading the series to somewhat a more-than-average degree. Despite that the general state of topic gets stuck in those arguments from time to time, which is sad.
Anyway, let's wait kewlco do his work for now.