Not using CoA against Sanji.
Not to attack him, but he did use CoA to defend from Sanji's attack.
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Not to attack him, but he did use CoA to defend from Sanji's attack.
No he didn't. His arm isn't blackened like when he used it against Luffy.
And he didn't say "Armament" either. Basically, there's no visual or reading indication that he used it.
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No he didn't. His arm isn't blackened like when he used it against Luffy.
You can't think a normal coat can tank sanji's attacks….really.
The fight with luffy explained how DD uses his coat as a shield with CoA.
His arm wasn't black? Could be just a drawing mistake like when that fighting bull had only one horn in one chapter and the next one he had two.
And I do see something black on the coat under his arm.
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You're pretty much arguing pointless physics of a shonen manga, with excuses like "Oh, but Sanji is weaker in the air" in a world where people can fly in the first place by kicking hard enough.
manga's have no physics but the authors sometimes like to imply they do even for a little bit.
Not using CoA against Sanji.
don't take this the wrong way but how dumb are you to say this? So Doflamingo was protecting himself with just a mere feather coat? So clothes are stronger than Sanji kicks now. Or did Diamentai make Dofla coat out of a solid steel or something? It's obvius Dofla put haki on his coat that's why he just used it as a shield, if not Sanji leg would rip through it. Everything in manga don't need explaining or to be drawn out all the time, authors sometimes expect readers to understand something's without explanation.
Also, Luffy was able to dodge a double Goshikito while holding a person. Sanji couldn't even dodge a single one.
Are we going back in time now? Because I would've sworn LUFFY ate five-strings just like Sanji did.
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Well, what if Law does better now against Doula? Law did say that being carried allowed him to conserve stamina, so he's not handicapped anymore.
Dude, there is no "what-if", we are comparing something that's already occurred. We can only compare Law's showing now if Sanji was to fight Dofla again but till then stick to the topic.
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It was never stated that Sanji's style is weaker when he goes Skywalk period
I don't know what was the original debate about, but as a Sanji fanboy I find that utterly stupid.
Well I guess it would make sense in an other type of shonen with more strategies. But Oda didn't portrayed Skywalk as a technique with drawbacks. It's only an advantage on the battlefield.
Hey how do you explain Gumo Gumo no Storm ? Shonen! And an other answer would be too boring.He is limited doesn't mean weaker. Skywalk has no drawbacks because there is nothing to compare it with in the first place and you know why this is so? Because Sanji couldn't fly before. So yeah, skywalk make him stronger not weaker.
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You can't think a normal coat can tank sanji's attacks….really.
The fight with luffy explained how DD uses his coat as a shield with CoA.
His arm wasn't black? Could be just a drawing mistake like when that fighting bull had only one horn in one chapter and the next one he had two.
And I do see something black on the coat under his arm.
CoA haki isn't always black so you don't have to explain yourself. Amazon warriors coated their weapons with haki but it was never black.
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manga's have no physics but the authors sometimes like to imply they do even for a little bit.
So… what's the point of arguing this?
don't take this the wrong way but how dumb are you to say this? So Doflamingo was protecting himself with just a mere feather coat? So clothes are stronger than Sanji kicks now. Or did Diamentai make Dofla coat out of a solid steel or something? It's obvius Dofla put haki on his coat that's why he just used it as a shield, if not Sanji leg would rip through it. Everything in manga don't need explaining or to be drawn out all the time, authors sometimes expect readers to understand something's without explanation.
It's not obvious because there's no indicator. No blackening effect or Doula saying it.
And yeah, he was able to block Sanji's fiery kick with only his leg. Even if Haki was involved, he didn't use the stronger version anyway (blackening effect).
Are we going back in time now? Because I would've sworn LUFFY ate five-strings just like Sanji did.
But he dodged them beforehand.
Point is, Luffy was able to dodge at least once. Sanji wasn't. Thus, Luffy did better than Sanji, if only slightly.
Dude, there is no "what-if", we are comparing something that's already occurred. We can only compare Law's showing now if Sanji was to fight Dofla again but till then stick to the topic.
Exactly, there are no what-ifs, but Law's current fight is not a what-if.
You can't just compare fight 1 with fight 1, and ignore any subsequent fights. If Law does better in fight 2, then that means we misjudged him by fight 1. That would be ignorant.
With Sanji, he only has fight 1.
CoA haki isn't always black so you don't have to explain yourself. Amazon warriors coated their weapons with haki but it was never black.
Oda has to indicate that you're using it though. Either by making you say "that attack had Haki" or through a blackening effect. He can't just keep the readers guessing.
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...Now I'm getting tired of this. The focus of this entire discussion is now into super small things that doesn't matter. We know Sanji is weaker than Luffy and Law anyway, so no point in continuing.
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well I like how you said that "a fight is a fight" so no excuses for Law being owned as easily as Sanji got owned.
Except he didn't and he lasted much longer.
luffys strongest attacks so far with a normal attack of Sanji, again lame man, seem like you running out of excuses.
1. WHO CARES ABOUT HOW THEY LANDED AN ATTACK? The statement was made because you claimed they barely did any damage which is false.
2. Red Hawk isn't one of Luffy's strongest attacks and DJ isn't Sanji's normal. This still has nothing to do with the conversation so why say anything about it?proves that your a fanboy or a complete Sanji hater.
Everyone is sick and tired of your Ad Hominems.
Sorry to break it to you, there is no indication of Law being weakened so don't use that argument again
That's completely false. It was already stated on Green Bit that Law was weakened.
well Law and LUFFY unfavorable conditions had nothing to do with them losing.
I don't even…
yeah the same Dofla who can complete clone his whole body
Stopped right there. You'll make up anything to suit your argument, won't you?
well Law looked unscathed to me, and Fujitora Gravity
You're clearly blind.
meteor did nothing to Law's hand.
Law's hand has nothing to do with his stamina.
yep, and that's a big information
It's not. It's just a name. You're delusional.
What are you even arguing for anyway? What are you trying to prove? You're prolonging a pointless argument. I'm growing tired of this. You refuse to acknowledge what's shown on-panel and you're making stuff up in the process. This is like talking to a brick wall.
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You know, this discussion really has no point. What exactly is being proven here?
Sanji performed badly. Pointing at Law and/or Luffy won't really change that, especially with them being stronger and getting 2nd chances to do better.
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This discussion in a nutshell: Dd is whooping everyone's ass right now
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This discussion in a nutshell: Dd is whooping everyone's ass right now
Haha yeah, which is ok because, well, hype. Hope it pay off good though.
Anyone wanna guess the route of story after the flashback?
Will it be –> back to luffy & law --> skip to the fights of the executives --> skip to sanji & co --> back to luffy & law again? Or how? -
You know, this discussion really has no point. What exactly is being proven here?
Sanji performed badly. Pointing at Law and/or Luffy won't really change that, especially with them being stronger and getting 2nd chances to do better.
Oh if it was the original debate, I understand why Dark_Ritual is arguing so much. It really depends on your own judgement, you ain't going to convince him (or me
SANJI IS THE BEST). Though I don't know why he tried to use such twisted argument that actually underrates Sanji's strength.
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Come on people tell me what's so different between this ass whopping and Sanji ass whopping
Law made Mingo bleed a little. Sanji was completely powerless against Mingo.
This debate is beginning to sound like those that think the encounter between Sanji and Mingo is exactly similar to Zoro and Issho.
IF YOU DIE, I'LL KILL YOU….
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You know, this discussion really has no point. What exactly is being proven here?
Sanji performed badly. Pointing at Law and/or Luffy won't really change that, especially with them being stronger and getting 2nd chances to do better.
Yes, they are stronger then Sanji who uses only legs in battle and has no DF/weapon like them.
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Doflamingo kicked Fujitoras blade with his shin, ouch, no CoA. Ever heard of conditioning? Except its OP style.
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This discussion in a nutshell: Dd is whooping everyone's ass right now
This guys sum ups love them..
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This debate is beginning to sound like those that think the encounter between Sanji and Mingo is exactly similar to Zoro and Issho.
Are there people who actually think that, but on their defense both of them were complimented.
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Yes, they are stronger then Sanji who uses only legs in battle and has no DF/weapon like them.
Wuou so now this is also a problem, I thought that having an ability didn't make a difference since Ability users only have/had an advantage over the non-Devil Fruit users but since Oda introduced Armament this sort of thing was resolved but we can always bring it back in order to support our claims, I guess
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Are there people who actually think that, but on their defense both of them were complimented.
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Wuou so now this is also a problem, I thought that having an ability didn't make a difference since Ability users only have/had an advantage over the non-Devil Fruit users but since Oda introduced Armament this sort of thing was resolved but we can always bring it back in order to support our claims, I guess
It sure makes a difference when you can make someone immortal with your DF, you can cut even haki beasts like vergo into pieces, talk about personality swap.
Even luffy's DF isn't that bad.
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It sure makes a difference when you can make someone immortal with your DF, you can cut even haki beasts like vergo into pieces, talk about personality swap.
Even luffy's DF isn't that bad.
So now we're gonna point at DFs for excuses?
Poor Sanji only uses his legs for battle. Never mind the fact that people like Garp and Rayleigh exist.
And the immortality causes the user to die, so I dunno why you would bring that up.
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So now we're gonna point at DFs for excuses?
No, the point still stands, sanji din't do worse then law and luffy in a FIRST battle. If you also talk about the DF advantage they have, then Sanji is a beast.
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It sure makes a difference when you can make someone immortal with your DF, you can cut even haki beasts like vergo into pieces, talk about personality swap.
Even luffy's DF isn't that bad.
Oda will never use that card and you should know that and what's the point of giving somebody a super strong ability and not having somebody who can counter it?
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No, the point still stands, sanji din't do worse then law and luffy in a FIRST battle. If you also talk about the DF advantage they have, then Sanji is a beast.
Why does it matter if it's a first battle?
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No, the point still stands, sanji din't do worse then law and luffy in a FIRST battle. If you also talk about the DF advantage they have, then Sanji is a beast.
I don't even care whats being discussed. Already on this guy's side. lol
But on a more serious note we shouldn't be trying to compare Sanji with Law/Luffy fff. They all have their clear strengths and weaknesses.
And ss for Sanji "preforming badly". That's just bullshit for anyone who thinks that.
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Why does it matter if it's a first battle?
The first battle/battles is for the main villain to get hype. Same way it was with Crocodile,Lucci,Magellan,CC and the rest. And DD is also special, since he was introduced years ago, unlike the rest, participated in the war and stuff.
Why din't Sanji/luffy/law use strong attacks with DD from the start? Cause that would give trouble to DD and heck, main battle of the arc would end at half of it or something like that?
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And ss for Sanji "preforming badly". That's just bullshit for anyone who thinks that.
So Sanji did well against Doula?
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And ss for Sanji "preforming badly". That's just bullshit for anyone who thinks that.
Don't cloud your judgment just because you love the character. Sanji performed really bad against Doffy and that's a fact.
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Don't cloud your judgment just because you love the character. Sanji performed really bad against Doffy and that's a fact.
I mean… He didn't perform awfully. Luffy landed a hit with Law's help but is now in an awful position, a position that Sanji was never forced into.
Although the circumstances are certainly different. The situations are not even comparable at all however since no one expected Sanji to be fighting DD in the first place whereas Luffy and Law are meant to be fighting DD, that is why Oda draws them to lose because he wants to hype up the battle between them. @Ussop what argument are you trying to make?
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@Ussop what argument are you trying to make?
None of the 3(Law,Luffyy,Sanji)did better with Doflamingo. All of them looked bad in a first battle with Doflamingo.
There is no, luffy did a bit better, sanji did worse.
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So Sanji did well against Doula?
Considering how strong Doffy is, he did quite well.
Anyone from Luffy's crew would have been destroyed in a few seconds pre time skip, probably even Luffy.
I think Sanji's still no match for him, but offering some resistance already shows that Sanji's very strong.Either that or Baggy's gonna become a Pacifista.
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In the end Sanji didn't get defeated nor heavily injured. He wasn't even fighting Doffy in an official 1 vs 1
And he left to protect CC. He wasn't afraid of fighting Doffy by Law's side.
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I mean… He didn't perform awfully. Luffy landed a hit with Law's help but is now in an awful position, a position that Sanji was never forced into.
Although the circumstances are certainly different. The situations are not even comparable at all however since no one expected Sanji to be fighting DD in the first place whereas Luffy and Law are meant to be fighting DD, that is why Oda draws them to lose because he wants to hype up the battle between them. @Ussop what argument are you trying to make?
Unlike Luffy whose been greatly hindered the whole time, I mean Oda has been playing Luffy for a sucker and WE all know that the only reason Luffy needed Law's help to land a hit was because Law didn't allow Luffy to act reckless like he always does and what about that "I cannot beat you because you're my friend line", Luffy a guy who punched Vivi for acting stupid but all this will be resolved as soon as the flashback ends anyway
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Unlike Luffy whose been greatly hindered the whole time, I mean Oda has been playing Luffy for a sucker and WE all know that the only reason Luffy needed Law's help to land a hit was because Law didn't allow Luffy to act reckless like he always does and what about that "I cannot beat you because you're my friend line", Luffy a guy who punched Vivi for acting stupid but all this will be resolved as soon as the flashback ends anyway
I think Bellamy is suppose to in such a bad shape that any serious hit could end his life.
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So Sanji did well against Doula?
I wouldn't go that far. I know he got destroyed. But it's the facts man. Sanji didn't know what DD's fruit was. He also didn't know what DD is capable of. All Sanji knew was that he needed to save his crew and do whatever he could. With that in mind you can't possibly say he preformed badly. I'm not saying he preformed well or could of taken DD if he knew these things. I'm just sayin' the guy did all he could at the time. I just don't see how that is preforming badly. Like what else could he have done?
Don't cloud your judgment just because you love the character. Sanji performed really bad against Doffy and that's a fact.
I'm not letting it cloud my judgement. It could of been any other character. I just don't see how: saving your crew by literally throwing yourself at the enemy unprepared=preforming bad.
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Doflamingo kicked Fujitoras blade with his shin, ouch, no CoA. Ever heard of conditioning? Except its OP style.
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So Sanji did well against Doula?
Well he did save his crew from being cut to pieces…gotta count for something
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I think Bellamy is suppose to in such a bad shape that any serious hit could end his life.
Who hasn't been in that state before?
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I'm not letting it cloud my judgement. It could of been any other character. I just don't see how: saving your crew by literally throwing yourself at the enemy unprepared=preforming bad.
What does prepare mean to you?
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Well he did save his crew from being cut to pieces…gotta count for something
You're mistaking, Law saved Luffy's crew from being cut into pieces, not Sanji
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Who hasn't been in that state before?
Well Luffy punching him seriously would kill him(theoretically). Luffy can't afford that.
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Well Luffy punching him seriously would kill him(theoretically). Luffy can't afford that.
Yeah, Oda cannot afford to kill another character, but all that is BS and I'm 90% sure that when the flashback is over and Luffy start fighting on equal grounds against DD people will start bitching like there's not tomorrow.
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You're mistaking, Law saved Luffy's crew from being cut into pieces, not Sanji
I just don't understand what else Sanji could of done in that situation. Just the mere fact that he faced Dofla and all his limbs remain intact is good enough for me. Dofla is a monster and Sanji is nowhere near that level. It's obvious Luffy/Law>Sanji. Besides dofla was already at the ship when Sanji came. So he definitely helped a little. It's not like Law came in and solo'd Dd and ended the arc right there.
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Woah man this topic is still being debated? To all that say sanji is performing badly, how do you want him to perform then? By not letting Dofla hurt him at all? As in all attacks are blocked or how?
Keep in mind that Dofla need all the hype he can get at that point, dang he basically manhandled Law and Luffy until they agree to have coffee break together while watching flashback.
If even Law can only make Dofla buy a band aid, and Luffy only managed to land red hawk via tag team, how should Sanji perform then?
After all, Sanji is shown quite fit after his brief confrontation, ready to face BM's crews.
And dont give me that 'previous injury', 'hax df power', or 'battle circumstances' opinion, in a manga like this where fatique level, blood loss, stamina bar, or whatever similar is foggy at best. None of the character is homo sapiens there, not even the ordinary citizens. All of them is pseudo-Wolverine.
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I just don't understand what else Sanji could of done in that situation. Just the mere fact that he faced Dofla and all his limbs remain intact is good enough for me. Dofla is a monster and Sanji is nowhere near that level. It's obvious Luffy/Law>Sanji. Besides dofla was already at the ship when Sanji came. So he definitely helped a little. It's not like Law came in and solo'd Dd and ended the arc right there.
If Sanji wouldn't have appeared Law would have done something, you saw how big his room got when he saved Sanji so yeah and I get it there's nothing Sanji could have done against those odds, but seen people going against facts is just bothersome and like I told Kishido before all this will be repay at due time you guys just have to endure it for a while.
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If Sanji wouldn't have appeared Law would have done something, you saw how big his room got when he saved Sanji so yeah and I get it there's nothing Sanji could have done against those odds, but seen people going against facts is just bothersome and like I told Kishido before all this will be repay at due time you guys just have to endure it for a while.
Law could have done something after Dofla killed a couple Strawhats. Sanji gave enought ttime to think of a way and get to Sanji to save the day.
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You're mistaking, Law saved Luffy's crew from being cut into pieces, not Sanji
Ummm well sheesh I'm pretty sure I saw doflamingo stop chasing law who was busy running with ceasar, to go slaughter the straw hat crew and sanji saved them…I guess your talking about after sanji was almost sliced in half...
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Ummm well sheesh I'm pretty sure I saw doflamingo stop chasing law who was busy running with ceasar, to go slaughter the straw hat crew and sanji saved them…I guess your talking about after sanji was almost sliced in half...
I also remember a Law being able to switch places with whoever/whatever is inside his huge ass room, your point?
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I also remember a Law being able to switch places with whoever/whatever is inside his huge ass room, your point?
Sanji Saved the crew and told them to escape and they would've ecaped while Dofla was busy trying to kill Sanji. So the right thing you should be saying is Law saved Sanji ass and not the crew.
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Sanji Saved the crew and told them to escape and they would've ecaped while Dofla was busy trying to kill Sanji. So the right thing you should be saying is Law saved Sanji ass and not the crew.
I don't know If you notice but Law was the one who saved the crew by doing what Sanji couldn't done, not did only Law save them he also told them what to do after he saved their asses and that's what truly saved, Sanji's effort only bought time that could have been covered by law's ability alone.
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Cool now you're both using bad arguments…this is getting somewhere.
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Cool now you're both using bad arguments…this is getting somewhere.
There's a hole open and is sucking in logic to the max!
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If Sanji wouldn't have appeared Law would have done something
Yeah he would of done something. After Dofla sliced off a couple SH heads lol
like I told Kishido before all this will be repay at due time you guys just have to endure it for a while.
Kishi and I are patiently waiting for our time!:sad:
But until then I'll still believe he has more techniques to show off.
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I also remember a Law being able to switch places with whoever/whatever is inside his huge ass room, your point?
He was not in position at the time he is running from marines admirals doffy…use your eyes...use your brain to process what you are seeing...understand
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He was not in position at the time he is running from marines admirals doffy…use your eyes...use your brain to process what you are seeing...understand
Doffy was pursuing him, Doffy stopped and Law also stopped and screamed "They have nothing to do with this", there was enough time for Law to act, so those use this and that should apply to you not me.
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most probably this arc… they are too deeply involved to back out
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It seems the Dressrosa thread has turned into the chapter thread.
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Doffy was pursuing him, Doffy stopped and Law also stopped and screamed "They have nothing to do with this", there was enough time for Law to act, so those use this and that should apply to you not me.
Pretty sure a couple of (if not all) heads would be flying by the time he found the log.
