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He said he was going to give them retribution.
He said it then… Welp, still unlikely for him to just fuck around the toys without any real fight.
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He said he was going to give them retribution.
He said it then… Welp, still unlikely for him to just fuck around the toys without any real fight.
He said it then… Welp, still unlikely for him to just fuck around the toys without any real fight.
I think Cavendish has the perfect power set for clearing out large amounts of goons, actually.
@Hamburger:
I think Cavendish has the perfect power set for clearing out large amounts of goons, actually.
Goons that can't die and put themselves together.
@Hamburger:
I think Cavendish has the perfect power set for clearing out large amounts of goons, actually.
What power? 16chars
I just don't think Cavendish is a very important character, I'm sorry.
@Hamburger:
I just don't think Cavendish is a very important character, I'm sorry.
He's import enough to fight an officer at least.
What exactly did Kidd do to put him on another compared to Law? Right now he seems set on a path of hyping Big Mom or ending as one of Luffy allies.
I am confused what you are asking? Those three were shown during Law's and Kidd's introduction that they are the main 3 Supernovas that could possibly change the world. I'd like this to mean something other than both of them cheering Luffy on. Anyways, this topic I feel is dragging the thread a little too much. I'm sure you guys can talk about something far more interesting. :P
@King:
So being taken out for the entire arc would've been better? How?
Because we have seen this storyline on a regular basis, except that those times it's weaklings who get to convince Luffy to push forward. He's being carried for 10 chapters now, and I don't want one of the major Supernovas to fill the Princess Peach of One Piece role. If he starts crying asking Luffy to help him before Luffy takes out Doflamingo, I'm probably going to take a long break from the series.
@Hamburger:
I just don't think Cavendish is a very important character, I'm sorry.
He's as important as Bartolomeo, being his foil.
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Because we have seen this storyline on a regular basis, except that those times it's weaklings who get to convince Luffy to push forward. He's being carried for 10 chapters now, and I don't want one of the major Supernovas to fill the Princess Peach of One Piece role. If he starts crying asking Luffy to help him before Luffy takes out Doflamingo, I'm probably going to take a long break from the series.
He's being carried around exactly because he's too powerful with his story-breaking ability.
Seriously, the whole idea of handcuffed Law was to not make him not solve everything like in Punk Hazard, where he even got to overshadow Luffy.
This is the man that will save the world, the man that will rip the world of the current evil. He's not going to do all that base on luck.
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He used those moves twice and Luffy survived. Somehow, you want him to keep using it inint? The fight between Croc and Luffy was simple. No matter what Croc does, he couldn't bring Luffy down and overtime, Luffy crushed him.
Btw, Mingo will be outclassed in Speed and physical attack power. Not magical disappearance of moves.
Do I somehow want Croc not to suddenly revert back to a toddler phase and let Luffy punch him half to death? No. But that's pretty much what happened. Crocodile should have had no problems crushing Luffy and yet the narrative demanded that Luffy win so he did. And then he reverted back to the weak level that he was on.
I just want Diamante to show some named attacks. He has ONE so far.
Sooo, it finally happened
Do I somehow want Croc not to suddenly revert back to a toddler phase and let Luffy punch him half to death? No. But that's pretty much what happened. Crocodile should have had no problems crushing Luffy and yet the narrative demanded that Luffy win so he did. And then he reverted back to the weak level that he was on.
Dude, chances are that even if Crocodile used his ability more, it wouldn't have worked anyway.
Crocodile's attacks aren't undodgeable. Heck, Luffy was able to punch through his sand in the end.
Really, the biggest problem that Luffy had against Crocodile was that he couldn't hit him at the time without liquid. Doula Mongo is a Paramecia.
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So he doesn't get remind constantly on how useless Law is. Or to not have fake hopes.
After pretty much overshadowing everybody else at Punk Hazard, he kinda needed to be sidelined a bit.
Dude, chances are that even if Crocodile used his ability more, it wouldn't have worked anyway.
Crocodile's attacks aren't undodgeable. Heck, Luffy was able to punch through his sand in the end.
Really, the biggest problem that Luffy had against Crocodile was that he couldn't hit him at the time without liquid. Doula Mongo is a Paramecia.
And what about insta-KO ability of draining liquids? You know, the one he used to deafeat him instantly for a second time?
Dude, chances are that even if Crocodile used his ability more, it wouldn't have worked anyway.
Crocodile's attacks aren't undodgeable. Heck, Luffy was able to punch through his sand in the end.
Really, the biggest problem that Luffy had against Crocodile was that he couldn't hit him at the time without liquid. Doula Mongo is a Paramecia.
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After pretty much overshadowing everybody else at Punk Hazard, he kinda needed to be sidelined a bit.
Well yes but it wouldn't have worked for the same reason it didn't work anyway. Because Luffy needed to win. Otherwise Crocodile should have easily outclassed him in everyway
And dude seriously the dodgable logic? Everything is dodgable. If we go by this logic pre Alabasta Luffy should be able to handle Kizaru as well since oh well it can be dodged
Ability to instantly turn everything into sand, and the used it to bury him alive because they are underground?
That still going to take time and it's not like luffy just going to stand there and let him do it again .
Chapter 201 shows just how long that takes .
Well yes but it wouldn't have worked for the same reason it didn't work anyway. Because Luffy needed to win. Otherwise Crocodile should have easily outclassed him in everyway
And dude seriously the dodgable logic? Everything is dodgable. If we go by this logic pre Alabasta Luffy should be able to handle Kizaru as well since oh well it can be dodged
Are you really comparing Croc speed to Kizaru are you ?
And dude seriously the dodgable logic? Everything is dodgable. If we go by this logic pre Alabasta Luffy should be able to handle Kizaru as well since oh well it can be dodged
Kizaru is not dodgeable. Like… at all. I don't believe anyone ever dodged his attacks...
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That still going to take time and it's not like luffy just going to stand there and let him do it again .
Chapter 201 shows just how long that takes .
The crescent thing he used on jailers in Impel Down then? The one that dries a person instantly, and has a wide attack arc?
Still less stupid then Enel.
The crescent thing he used on jailers in Impel Down then? The one that dries a person instantly, and has a wide attack arc?
Still less stupid then Enel.
Speed wise luffy is a faster CQC character than Croc so Oda could just have him dodge that like usual lol.
Now don't get me wrong luffy had some luck in that fight same with Enel but Croc decide to be stupid\ prideful\underestimate him and he paid the price .
Speed wise luffy is a faster CQC character than Croc so Oda could just have him dodge that like usual lol.
I disagree on this one, to be honest. Croc can turn into sand to move rather fast.
Now don't get me wrong luffy had some luck in that fight same with Enel but Croc decide to be stupid and he paid the price .
Half of victories of Luffy can be atributed to enemies randomly being stupid.
And being stupid hurts their character because they are generaly portrayed as not being such.
Willful ignorance helps in that regard, I suppose.
I disagree on this one, to be honest. Croc can turn into sand to move rather fast.
That is no help when the person can attack your logia body and hurt you .
Also luffy is faster and better in hand to hand combat .
Half of victories of Luffy can be atributed to enemies randomly being stupid.
And being stupid hurts their character because they are generaly portrayed as not being such.
Willful ignorance helps in that regard, I suppose.
Well i added more stuff like them being prideful \ underestimate him , lack of knowledge etc etc
But also remember that some of Luffy fights that he lose is him having no knowledge of the opponent .
Which is why i like what happen with croc each fight luffy gain more knowledge about him .
In the end he used all of it while also surprising him by destroying his sand attack and won .
It's not limited to One Piece and it's more like something you just get used to, honestly, but I know that varies from person to person. If I have to say something though and if you guys haven't thought about it - if everyone died left and right then this series wouldn't be able to connect with such a wide demographic that it has.
It's hard not to get used to after 757 chapters, but that doesn't mean I can't be critical when I see something silly.
An I'm not saying characters in OP should die from serious wounds. Just maybe tone down the severity of injury if there won't be any consequence at all. I don't like cheap cliffhangers. Especially now, after all the times we had them. I might have been fooled 300 chapters earlier, but now? Oda could just as well have drawn Dofla pointing a finger at Law and yelling:"Bang, bang!".
It's hard not to get used to after 757 chapters, but that doesn't mean I can't be critical when I see something silly.
An I'm not saying characters in OP should die from serious wounds. Just maybe tone down the severity of injury if there won't be any consequence at all. I don't like cheap cliffhangers. Especially now, after all the times we had them. I might have been fooled 300 chapters earlier, but now? Oda could just as well have drawn Dofla pointing a finger at Law and yelling:"Bang, bang!".
It's only a cheap cliffhanger if you thought the character was some how going to died .
Or that was the reason why he shot him when it was said in the next chapter that it was just Don being a SOB .
In Vol format it's not even that last chapter of the vol and that is how a lot of people read OP so it won't even be a cliffhanger there.
Also you have not gotten back to me with how Hatchan getting shot was a cliffhanger ?
It's only a cheap cliffhanger if you thought the character was some how going to died .
Or that was the reason why he shot him when it was said in the next chapter that it was just Don being a SOB .
In Vol format it's not even that last chapter of the vol and that is how a lot of people read OP so it won't even be a cliffhanger there.
Lol, no, it's a cheap cliffhanger if the author makes it look like someone has died, just to completely dismiss the possibility afterwards. The only reason almost nobody thought Law has died because we've seen it happen so many times. What difference does it make what was said next chapter? Couple of chapters later, Law's wounds and blood were erased.
Volumes? That doesn't have much to do with anything. It makes it ok and not a shitty and cheap plot device because it's not the last chapter of the volume? Would have sucked if it was?
if luffy gets turned into a toy, bartys love will break the curse!
LoL, I assume that Sugar's curse is just as unbreakable as Moriah's. On the other hand, it might be the occasion to finally see…
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@madriano:
Anyone else still think there's a possibility for Robin to fight Trebol? Because there's no way Gladius will be fighting three at the same time.
The way I see it Gladius thinks that he is currently fighting Bartolomeo, Cavendish and Viola. So he will not let her go.
@Mr.0:
There was never a chance in hell when Trebol was confirmed a logia.
So he was confirmed a logia :ninja:
@Jabra:
Nah, Barto and Robin turtle while Hakuba goes on a rampage.
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Hahahaha! So random, I wasn't expecting this. Hum..Does pre-TS Robin with a hat actually look like post-TS Robin ?
@Psycrow:
I wonder if there's going to be a Law vs Luffy fight, since one of Doflamingo's major things is controlling peoples' bodies…
Then people would rage at the anime for having the exact thing happen in the filler with that Pet-pet fruit guy right before this arc
Hard to not rage when the filler bad guy can control people just before Doffy's arc. Anyway I expect Doffy to fight using Bellamy and a bunch of clones.
@Monquito:
Sooo, it finally happened
Hey you realize that I can only see the comments ! That's really frustrating.
Hey you realize that I can only see the comments ! That's really frustrating.
There you go then
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Lol, no, it's a cheap cliffhanger if the author makes it look like someone has died, just to completely dismiss the possibility afterwards. The only reason almost nobody thought Law has died because we've seen it happen so many times. What difference does it make what was said next chapter? Couple of chapters later, Law's wounds and blood were erased.
Volumes? That doesn't have much to do with anything. It makes it ok and not a shitty and cheap plot device because it's not the last chapter of the volume? Would have sucked if it was?
What your are basically saying is Oda should not write Don treating Law like a loser because you thought the 3 shots were to kill him.
When it could also be said the 3 shots were just so law would stop putting up a fight\ make him looking bad which is what happen and knowing how the author writes would tell you that also .
The reason why i brought up Vols is because you said cliffhanger and in Vols it would not be one since you coming from point of view wondering if law alive .
Now since you calling it a cheap plot device i guess that up to you but a character taking some damage and being out for a while or also used as a set up is normal in these stories .
From reading your post you seem to have a problem with it being gun shots would it really have matter if he had slash him , stab use his DF etc etc if the result were the same ?
So he was confirmed a logia :ninja:
Pretty sure that if you are cut in half, and then completly alright afterwards, you are either logia, or Doffy's string clone…
Pretty sure that if you are cut in half, and then completly alright afterwards, you are either logia, or Doffy's string clone…
Darth you also be a Mythical Zoan :ninja:
Darth you also be a Mythical Zoan :ninja:
Right, forgot about Marco's fruit. But I'm pretty sure Trebol ain't zoan.
Right, forgot about Marco's fruit. But I'm pretty sure Trebol ain't zoan.
Was joking but being serious i wonder who going to fight him since you need Haki unless they finding out his weakness.
When it comes to Don crew he look to be the strongest so far IMO.
What your are basically saying is Oda should not write Don treating Law like a loser because you thought the 3 shots were to kill him.
When it could also be said the 3 shots were just so law would stop putting up a fight\ make him looking bad which is what happen and knowing how the author writes would tell you that also .
The reason why i brought up Vols is because you said cliffhanger and in Vols it would not be one since you coming from point of view wondering if law alive .
Now since you calling it a cheap plot device i guess that up to you but a character taking some damage and being out for a while or also used as a set up is normal in these stories .From reading your post you seem to have a problem with it being gun shots would it really have matter if he had slash him , stab use his DF etc etc if the result were the same ?
You seem to be missunderstanding some things. I'd think I made my stand pretty clear in these dozen or so posts I posted before (repeating same things).
And yes, if, for example, Dofla cut Law over his chest and then couple of chapters after there was no cut on Law's chest, it would bother me just the same.
You seem to be missunderstanding some things. I'd think I made my stand pretty clear in these dozen or so posts I posted before (repeating same things).
And yes, if, for example, Dofla cut Law over his chest and then couple of chapters after there was no cut on Law's chest, it would bother me as well.
From reading your post the other problem i see you have is some characters taking more damage \ recovering faster than others but that is rather normal in fiction .
It's normal in real life but in some forms of fiction it's just done to the extreme .
Half of victories of Luffy can be atributed to enemies randomly being stupid.
And being stupid hurts their character because they are generaly portrayed as not being such.
Willful ignorance helps in that regard, I suppose.
Experienced fighters know that dropping ther hands is stupid and will get them KOed, yet they do it anyway when they get tired, frustrated, or too arrogant. Both Croc and Enel did this to some extent.
Pretty sure that if you are cut in half, and then completly alright afterwards, you are either logia, or Doffy's string clone…
… or Buggy. I've always thought Trebol could be a putty or glue paramecia that can stick himself back togther.
I am confused what you are asking? Those three were shown during Law's and Kidd's introduction that they are the main 3 Supernovas that could possibly change the world. I'd like this to mean something other than both of them cheering Luffy on. Anyways, this topic I feel is dragging the thread a little too much. I'm sure you guys can talk about something far more interesting. :P
You said on the level of Luffy and Kidd. Which seems to imply Kidd have done something putting him on the level of Luffy and making him way better than Law.
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After pretty much overshadowing everybody else at Punk Hazard, he kinda needed to be sidelined a bit.
Drop him in a trash bag at the palace and pick him up when everything is finished. He is sidelined and doesn't get show. Everybody win.
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From reading your post the other problem i see you have is some characters taking more damage \ recovering faster than others but that is rather normal in fiction .
It's normal in real life but in some forms of fiction it's just done to the extreme .
He minds the absence of wounds and recovering without any help. I think even Sanji put on after Dofly's attack.
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You seem to be missunderstanding some things. I'd think I made my stand pretty clear in these dozen or so posts I posted before (repeating same things).
And yes, if, for example, Dofla cut Law over his chest and then couple of chapters after there was no cut on Law's chest, it would bother me just the same.
What he is saying is that since you suppose to read it on volumes it is not a cliffhanger but point that is quickly resolved.
There you go then
Holy God Almighty
The crescent thing he used on jailers in Impel Down then? The one that dries a person instantly, and has a wide attack arc?
Still less stupid then Enel.
If Crocodile couldn't even hit Luffy with his giant hook hand, then I don't see why that attack would be any better.
Right, forgot about Marco's fruit. But I'm pretty sure Trebol ain't zoan.
What about Buggy? he's a Paramecia.
Kizaru is not dodgeable. Like… at all. I don't believe anyone ever dodged his attacks...
Except you know Law's entire submarine …
Well yes but it wouldn't have worked for the same reason it didn't work anyway. Because Luffy needed to win. Otherwise Crocodile should have easily outclassed him in everyway
And dude seriously the dodgable logic? Everything is dodgable. If we go by this logic pre Alabasta Luffy should be able to handle Kizaru as well since oh well it can be dodged
Well, then why act like it was so unlikely for Crocodile to have lost? You're really overrating the Suna Suna fruit.
Spada? Luffy could just punch through it thanks to his blood.
Barján? Luffy could avoid the hook just fine, so this attack wouldn't have worked any better.
Sables? Luffy tanked it.
I don't remember, did he aim at the submarine before or after the sea was turned into ice ? It changes everything! Or not!
! http://31.media.tumblr.com/d45eea2feaa150f403527ddda0b92050/tumblr_n5kjannt361r7xd5jo2_250.gifWell I guess it's for the best.
From what I remember, he jumped into the air away from Ben at the time, and shot a bunch of lasers. I think he was hoping one of them would hit. I think they were all distracted by Shanks Sexiness to aim properly.
Except you know Law's entire submarine …
Elemental weakness.
Also, can't you recognized plot shield when you see one? Marineford is full of those.
Elemental weakness.
Also, can't you recognized plot shield when you see one? Marineford is full of those.
You had Shanks, Buggy, Law, Jimbei, and Luffy pretty close together, so the plot shields combined to make an ultra powerful one, which was then that Bartolomeo's power was born. He knew it was a power that was to be used to help his Sempai. Either that or it was just the power of Shanks.
Kizaru didn't know about refraction. That's why he missed. :ninja:
So did anybody thought how they would leave the island without a ship?
Sabo? Some ally? (Happou, Barto, Caven, anyone?)