General Musou Warriors Thread

y2kyle89

Agitha would be a lot less creepy if she actually said things (like "Take this" or something) instead of just giggling

Does Reborn still have that stupid friendship thing from 2?

loledinmypants

Does Reborn still have that stupid friendship thing from 2?

Nope. No friendship/relationship grind ala Gundam2/3 or DW8 ambition mode (the bonds in DW8 are the only trophy I still havent bothered getting; stupid voice collector!).

You do get bonuses toward learning pilot skills for whoever you set as your partner and to a lesser extent your 4 favorites slots, but those are truly bonuses and really convenient, unlike an arbitrary stat that forces you to work with every character to max for some kind of unlock.

Robby

@y2kyle89:

Agitha would be a lot less creepy if she actually said things (like "Take this" or something) instead of just giggling

Does Reborn still have that stupid friendship thing from 2?

That's gone. There is a favorites system, but that's pure bonus towards your actual favorites.

It does see the return of "play this character in this mech 10 times to unlock the mech for everyone" and "get X kills in this mech to unlock its best plans" however, which will ulitmately mean a fair bit of grinding in everything if you want to platinum…. but if you just want to play the game for fun is pretty unobtrusive.

Also, pilots are actualyl unique now, they all get special abilities in burst mode that give them unique advantages. Slow down time/bigger explosions/don't use any booster fuel etc... as well as a variety of the other abiltiies... so the pilots are actually pretty different now beyond just stats (finally) I imagine there'll be a couple really nice combinations with good synergy as a result... and a real motivartion to play more than one or two characters.

y2kyle89

Cool. I'll have to keep my eyes open for if/when it comes out for something I actually own.

fana

Finished the official mode of the latest Gundam. That's my first Gundam Musou and so far I enjoy it.
The controls when fighting against big mechas or spaceships can be a bit annoying but every thing else seems great.
The official mode could be improved though. Sometimes it's well explained, sometimes it's confusing. I get that they could not cover everything but sometimes they just skipped too much with no explanation (ex : First Neo Zeon War).

Robby

Battling video games, especially ones that cover really long franchises, are NOT the place to learn the story of a series. They're always really abridged and focus on the characters they have… and asusme the majority of the target audience already knows the series in question. (I can't imagine trying to piece together the plot of DBZ from one of its games.)

I learned a lot of what I know about Gundam from Musou... so I have some really weird holes.

The most interesting thing to me is just seeing the progression of design sense back to back to back... in both the characters and mechas. You look at a design and at a glance you can usually tell what decade its from. Its neat that way.

Quebleys are the best.

fana

I didn't expect to have the full story, far from it.
But when you make a few "slides" to introduce the First Neo Zeon War and then abruptly jump to the next conflict without telling the result of that war that's just confusing. You should either skip or tell the whole thing. You don't tell the beginning of something and expect the player to fill the rest.
There are a few other moments that could have been either skipped or told a better way.
But, that's just nitpicking. If I want the full story, I'll watch (or rewatch) the anime.

About the DLC, I'm tempted to buy the Full Armor Unicorn. I've just watched the Unicorn anime and I want to play as that mecha.

loledinmypants

Yeah, not only did they skip ZZ's story for official mode (the First Neo Zeon War), but they ended Zeta's story mode with the movie's ending. Said movies rewrote the ending to where basically ZZ and Char's Counterattack wouldn't happen.

Also found it weird that they include virtually everyone of any relevance from SEED and Destiny except Andrew Waltfeld (I mean if they can throw Flay in as a battleship support or w/e she is, they could have made Waltfeld the same and ignored his awesome mecha wolf thing). Especially since iirc he shares his seiyuu with Treize from Wing. Also glossing over one-third of the Three Ships Alliance (the Eternal gets a brief mention in the slideshow at one point) and not even mentioning the Kusanagi iirc was weird too in regards to SEED.

FA Unicorn has a really unique mechanic for a musou game where its moveset changes as you use up its ammo/weapons with your charge attacks (and regains the weapons with burst iirc), so of the DLC I'd probably recommend it the most.

Green_vs_Red

@loledinmypants:

Yeah, not only did they skip ZZ's story for official mode (the First Neo Zeon War), but they ended Zeta's story mode with the movie's ending. Said movies rewrote the ending to where basically ZZ and Char's Counterattack wouldn't happen.

Not really shocking especially since Musou 3 essentially allowed you to shoot for the revised ending as well.

loledinmypants

@Green_vs_Red:

Not really shocking especially since Musou 3 essentially allowed you to shoot for the revised ending as well.

I was more saying as another example of why it wouldn't be the greatest idea to use the game to learn the story. It's the only ending to Zeta's story mode in this one and then they gloss over ZZ in a few slides in the slideshow that starts Char's Counterattack's story mode. Would be really confusing going into ZZ assuming you "knew" Zeta and then having Kamille be a vegetable (albeit a Newtype vegetable that saved their asses during the one colony drop or whatever at… Dublin I think? been too long).

Aside from the battle at Texas, I think they covered most of the major points of the original Gundam in its story mode. Then they realized they had like 5 more story modes to do and they had to go back to the video game norm for games based on long-running anime/manga and skipped stuff everywhere else. Not that the game suffers any from it since telling the story to newcomers isn't its job.

Robby

I think that's more just because they have a whole messload of character and mech assets from the original series built up over 4 games.

Shame Wing made DLC to provide ANOTHER mech for Heero… and couldn't throw in its remaining 2 leads insteadand a fodder mech... they'd be able to fake most of Wing's story with that... just sort of ignoring the mech upgrades halfway through. But the anniversary has passed so... that's probably never happening.

Also wish they'd have thrown in the token lead gundam from 08thMS team somewhere in the last4 games though... since they really only had the one mech... and the main enemies from that franchise were all original series mech anyway... they could literally toss in the entire cast with that one mech and a blue Gouf... and maybe a giant ship. (And a jungle stage would be cool too.)

Green_vs_Red

Poor Quatre and WuFei still being excluded from the Gundam Musou games:getlost:.

loledinmypants

Fair point on the Gundam official mode, but they have almost all the important characters and mechs from SEED and Destiny and still managed to skip in those story modes. Zeta's pretty well set too except Fa's mech that must not sell models worth a damn since I've never seen it outside the show lol.

I agree about how the Endless Waltz dlc is kinda lame compared to just getting the rest of the cast. But I'm psyched about Crossbone X-1 being dlc. Pirate Gundam. How is that not awesome (well aside from being basically the bandaid fix to F91 being horribly rushed)?

I really hope they give G Gundam some love next time and add the rest of the Shuffle Alliance besides Domon. And just a sprinkle of Turn A love for Harry Ord and his gold SUMO, though that's probably never going to happen outside of some anniversary or something. I want the best ~~Char~~Quattro clone and the Dragon and Maxter Gundams.

Robby

I just don't understand how Sailor Scout Nobel Gundam wasn't an immediate priority before almost anything else.

I can understand them not being enthused about G Gundam due to its general doofiness and being pressured to focus on the most current or anniversary relevent series at the time… but G gundam was just meant for this stuff.

Venomous Warden

Im downloading reborn now, and i see they made crossbone gundam DLC? Dammit, now i gotta buy that.

JetPistolStrike

Behold: Midna, the Twilight Princess.

–- Update From New Post Merge ---

Seems there's an update on the official Twitter account in Japan for Hyrule Warriors:

"This week a new character will be unveiled with a probability of 98%. It is recommended to check the weekly Famitsu"

Many believe it's Fi of Skyward Sword based on the quote itself...

KaizokuJinbei

sounds like Fi to me

Purple Hermit

Defeat hordes of enemies by reminding them incessantly what those things you collect constantly are!

fana

http://www.famitsu.com/news/201407/08056716.html

Fi confirmed + new weapons for Link (Ball and chain) and Zelda (Wand?) + 2 new DLC costumes for Link and Zelda from Skyward Sword.
With these new DLC, I guess the other costumes are predictable :

3 Courage = Link (OOT, TP, SS)
3 Wisdom = Zelda (OOT, TP, SS)
2 Force = Ganondorf (OOT, TP)

y2kyle89

No one likes you Fi, where's Groose?

black-leg jex

I didn't expect Fi . How does that even make sense. Can link not have the master sword when fi is in play?

MajinArekkusu

So I play with the idea of really getting into the warriors series. Now I hope you guys can help me with my first game. I kinda was thinking getting either warriors 8 or pirate warriors 2, since orochi 3 is getting the ultimate release there is no point in bying it now and this fall and I think theres also a new samurai warriors coming out wich I am interested in to try as well. I am a big one piece fan so I kinda lean more towards PW 2, but DW 8 has more characters and possibly more story content etc. What would you all recommend?^^

The Laughing Man

@MajinArekkusu:

So I play with the idea of really getting into the warriors series. Now I hope you guys can help me with my first game. I kinda was thinking getting either warriors 8 or pirate warriors 2, since orochi 3 is getting the ultimate release there is no point in bying it now and this fall and I think theres also a new samurai warriors coming out wich I am interested in to try as well. I am a big one piece fan so I kinda lean more towards PW 2, but DW 8 has more characters and possibly more story content etc. What would you all recommend?^^

I recommend Dynasty Warriors 8, to be honest.

Though I love One Piece, I simply think Dynasty Warriors is superior to Pirate Warriors (but this is probably because Dynasty Warriors 3 was my first Warriors game, so… I'm a bit biased). I think Dynasty Warriors is just more fleshed out than Pirate Warriors.

Sue me, but the only warriors games I can truly enjoy are Dynasty Warriors and Warriors Orochi. Never got into Samurai Warriors or Pirate Warriors, to be honest. The Three Kingdoms era just interests me much much more than the era of Nobunaga, Tokugawa etc. in Japan.

MajinArekkusu

Yeah I kinda thought that the dynasty game would be more fleshed out and meatier than the one piece one. Probably gonna go with that one. Or maybe even with the new zelda one, since I just got a new wii u and the gameplay videos so far looked cool. Seriosly though, there are like 3 warriors games coming out or even 4 this year alone?^^ And people always complain about cod, lol.

WarshipArc

@black-leg:

I didn't expect Fi . How does that even make sense. Can link not have the master sword when fi is in play?

Brother, any canonical sense went flying out the window the moment Midna asked the Great Fairy from OoT to power up her hookshot, so that she could pull the moon from MM into Argorok. They'll probably hand wave it away saying she just a servent of the goddess sent down to lend a hand.

GetsugaZoro

So its Link and a girl harem? no guys besides him? I'm not a super Zelda fan only played a few so I'm asking people who actually know something, are we possibly getting other male characters? Good dudes from the series.

black-leg jex

@GetsugaZoro:

So its Link and a girl harem? no guys besides him? I'm not a super Zelda fan only played a few so I'm asking people who actually know something, are we possibly getting other male characters? Good dudes from the series.

I'm shocked that we have this many. I mean zelda do have a lot of popular female characters but there are male characters in the series that are just as popular. Blame team ninja :P

Ganondorf is a given but groose and tingle are a must. You should also have Ralph and kafir seeing as they are as random as agatha was. Would also like to see some sages.

DSkull

@MajinArekkusu:

So I play with the idea of really getting into the warriors series. Now I hope you guys can help me with my first game. I kinda was thinking getting either warriors 8 or pirate warriors 2, since orochi 3 is getting the ultimate release there is no point in bying it now and this fall and I think theres also a new samurai warriors coming out wich I am interested in to try as well. I am a big one piece fan so I kinda lean more towards PW 2, but DW 8 has more characters and possibly more story content etc. What would you all recommend?^^

Hmm, well DW8 is definitely probably fleshed out better than PW2, but i'd still recommend it all the same. I think Pirate Warriors really has a better combat system than the DW series, and I love the DW combat system. xD Just feels like there's alot more to it. Plus, they really do a great job capturing the characters in PW, I think. The stories nothing special, but if ya like one piece, as I think most here obviously do, it should be plenty fun enough. At least PW2 did try to fix alot of things wrong with PW1. (The super repetitive platforming sections, only playing as Luffy throughout 90% of the story) all while bringing new things. (The tag support thing…wait was that in the first? I forget. More characters. Haki and all that.)

But yeah DW8XL is a pretty cool game too, definitely alot of fun. Hyrule Warriors looks like it will be pretty decent too, even with some strange character choices. Now if only the next gundam musou could bring in Sandrock and Altron along with the rest of the shuffle alliance. Course i'm biased in that those were the only gundam series I saw growing up. xD

GetsugaZoro

@black-leg:

I'm shocked that we have this many. I mean zelda do have a lot of popular female characters but there are male characters in the series that are just as popular. Blame team ninja :P

Ganondorf is a given but groose and tingle are a must. You should also have Ralph and kafir seeing as they are as random as agatha was. Would also like to see some sages.

Yeah I'm expecting Ganondorf as a playable villan, Tingle could have a funny moveset :D, the others ones I guess I dont know them.

y2kyle89

I figured the goron and zora who's masks you-have/you-use-to-turn-into/however-it-works in Majora's Mask have a good shot. (Or new characters based on them)

black-leg jex

I always thought they could use their movesets for darunia and ruto

Robby

@MajinArekkusu:

So I play with the idea of really getting into the warriors series. Now I hope you guys can help me with my first game. I kinda was thinking getting either warriors 8 or pirate warriors 2, since orochi 3 is getting the ultimate release there is no point in bying it now and this fall and I think theres also a new samurai warriors coming out wich I am interested in to try as well. I am a big one piece fan so I kinda lean more towards PW 2, but DW 8 has more characters and possibly more story content etc. What would you all recommend?^^

I say this as a die hard One Piece fan… the OP musou games are pretty meh. I can't explain what exactly is off about them, (well, the first game the needless platforming sections were abysmal) but something is. I've clocked thousands of hours over the last 15 years into basically every Dynasty/Samurai/Gundam/Basara entry there is, and I just... didn't play the OP games very long. I unlocked everyone and then... I stopped. Just something about the gameplay isn't satisfying, its hard to explain... but I stopped playing them pretty quick when they should have been my dream games that I played for 150 hours each.

But I guess as a fan that's never played any musou games before you might love it with nothing to compare to.

Orochi 3 really is the best title they have at the moment, and what brought me back to the franchise after they had a bunch of lackluster titles in a row. The sheer number of characters and the triple team switching dynamic keeps it fresh and interesting at length... though some of the effect might be lost if you're just being overwhelmed by the sheer cast load. The fact that an update is coming out soon shouldn't dissuade you from getting this now... especially if you catch it on sale.

Dynasty Warriors went to shit with part 6 and 7 (They basically scrapped all the assets they'd built up through 5 when transitioning to next-gen platforms and ruined the game, so characters playstyles changed, balance and roster count were lost, they lost maps and added awful awful ladder climbing and swimming)... I still haven't payed 8 so I can't say if that's any good.

Given your circumstances, I'd say hold out for Samurai Warriors 4.. or just go for Orochi even with the updated version coming out, it should be on sale pretty regularly.

Check the playstation store regularly, all those games randomly go on sale for 10-15 bucks, that'd be the time to get them.

@DSkull:

(The tag support thing…wait was that in the first? I forget. More characters. Haki and all that.) /QUOTE]

Shame the tag support brings in some characters to be playable for 20 seconds and a super move... and some it brings in to do just one REALLY lousy move. Half the cast might as well not be addable as partners. (Gundam Musou does the same thing... but at least the flashy partner attacks are consistent.)

I realize they only gave secondary characters partial move sets, but... those would have sufficed for 20 second play periods. That would have been fine for Bon Kurei, Wapol, Mr. 3, Arlong, etc. A move is just... insulting and bad when the other half of the cast is playable as summons.

Deviant_Mugen

@y2kyle89:

I figured the goron and zora who's masks you-have/you-use-to-turn-into/however-it-works in Majora's Mask have a good shot. (Or new characters based on them)

Darmani and Mikau. I hope they do make it in, especially since they had their own distinct look and abilities. Then again, Darunia was more fleshed out than Darmani, so I wouldn't mind if they had Darunia instead.

fana

PW2 is pretty great with a huge cast and each character having a pretty cool moveset (with more moves by character than a lot of other Musou).
The original story is not that amazing but it's better than following the official story IMO (you're free to play as any character you want to).

I would only recommand Hokuto no Ken 2 if you're a fan of the manga/anime. If you are, it's a pretty great adaptation of almost the whole story.

Gundam Reborn is good but the story mode is the most boring to play of all the Musou I played. So unless you're fine with just the gameplay being good I wouldn't recommand it.

Finally, about DW, SW and WO, for a new player I would recommand them in that order : SW > DW > WO. Because I think a smaller roster is more interesting to start this kind of game.

DSkull

@DSkull:

(The tag support thing…wait was that in the first? I forget. More characters. Haki and all that.) /QUOTE]

Shame the tag support brings in some characters to be playable for 20 seconds and a super move... and some it brings in to do just one REALLY lousy move. Half the cast might as well not be addable as partners. (Gundam Musou does the same thing... but at least the flashy partner attacks are consistent.)

I realize they only gave secondary characters partial move sets, but... those would have sufficed for 20 second play periods. That would have been fine for Bon Kurei, Wapol, Mr. 3, Arlong, etc. A move is just... insulting and bad when the other half of the cast is playable as summons.

Orochi 3 was a great game, for certain. I have so many hours put into that game, even the old psp version. xD Well, I have so many hours in every musou game though. -w- But I wouldn't say Orochi 3 is without it's problems. For me, alot of the Samurai Warriors cast just felt…off. Almost outdated. There's the whole thing of so many DW characters using the same weapons as well since they're from DW7 (though Orochi did certainly try to fix that.) Still though, definitely a fun game, though I kinda wish they could stop updating it and maybe go for a 4th title, using the characters as their DW8 and SW4 versions.

You never played DW8 Robby? I would honestly say it fixed alot of what Koei messed up on in 6-7. A better story mode that lets you choose your character before each level. They kept the weapon switch, but every character has a weapon of their own, and there's quite a few fun ones. XL added even more. Think every character has 2 ex attacks, 3 musous, plus the awakening musou which is akin to how musous were DW5 and back. It's at least for certain a whole lot better than 6 or 7 were.

And yeah, I get exactly what you mean about the tag supports. I can't defend them there, those secondary character HAD partial movesets, they could have easily worked for at least those 20 seconds or so. Course i'd rather a character just be playable outright, but I suppose time or something kept them from doing that.

Robby

At any rate, I'm enjoying Gundam 4… but I doubt I'll be doing all the achievements since a lot of them (get 5000 kills as X character, get 10000 kills in X mech... and those are after "play character in suit 10 times to unlock suit for everyone else) seem really grindy.

Better in some ways than past games, but... we'll see. I'm really enjoying a lot of them.

MajinArekkusu

@Robby:

I say this as a die hard One Piece fan… the OP musou games are pretty meh. I can't explain what exactly is off about them, (well, the first game the needless platforming sections were abysmal) but something is. I've clocked thousands of hours over the last 15 years into basically every Dynasty/Samurai/Gundam/Basara entry there is, and I just... didn't play the OP games very long. I unlocked everyone and then... I stopped. Just something about the gameplay isn't satisfying, its hard to explain... but I stopped playing them pretty quick when they should have been my dream games that I played for 150 hours each.

But I guess as a fan that's never played any musou games before you might love it with nothing to compare to.

Guess I should have said that I am not a total noob when it comes to this series.^^ I rented the first pirate game when it came out and played it for a couple days, but as you mentioned it had problems and didn't really do it for me. Same goes for the second pirates game, I just tested the japanese demo and yeah, can't exactly explain what it is but overall it is meh as well.

@Robby:

Orochi 3 really is the best title they have at the moment, and what brought me back to the franchise after they had a bunch of lackluster titles in a row. The sheer number of characters and the triple team switching dynamic keeps it fresh and interesting at length… though some of the effect might be lost if you're just being overwhelmed by the sheer cast load. The fact that an update is coming out soon shouldn't dissuade you from getting this now... especially if you catch it on sale.

I had my eye on this one, one thing that also caught my attention were the many characters like for example the doa or ninja gaiden ones. I know there are also some other from soul calibur I believe coming to the ultimate version. But after reading some opinions on it between dw8, that said since there are so many characters, many of them are clones and the story isn't as good as dw8, I wasn't so sure about orochi 3 anymore. But I'm sure all of them still have the clone problem and the amount of characters doesn't really bother me that much. And since the story involves the characters from DW, SW and other tecmo franchises I'm sure it's over the top and doesn't require me to know anything about them.

@Robby:

Given your circumstances, I'd say hold out for Samurai Warriors 4.. or just go for Orochi even with the updated version coming out, it should be on sale pretty regularly.

Check the playstation store regularly, all those games randomly go on sale for 10-15 bucks, that'd be the time to get them.

As it happens there is currently the big in japan sale going on in the german psn store, with many rpgs like the final fantasy series, tales series, resident evil and some dynasty warriors titles like DW 7 XL, Orochi 3 and DW5,6 8 and some others. DW 8 costs around 26€ and orochi 3 around 18€. You have convinced me Robby. :) I'm gonna get orochi 3 now, and then decide whether to double dip and buy the ultimate version or try Samurai Warriors 4 and maybe hyrule warriors in the fall.

Robby

Supposedly the save files from Orochi 3 will even transfer to the Ultimate version down the line, so… that'll be nice.

But after reading some opinions on it between dw8, that said since there are so many characters, many of them are clones and the story isn't as good as dw8, I wasn't so sure about orochi 3 anymore. But I'm sure all of them still have the clone problem and the amount of characters doesn't really bother me that much. And since the story involves the characters from DW, SW and other tecmo franchises I'm sure it's over the top and doesn't require me to know anything about them.

Cloning only in so much that the overall style of play is pretty similar between characters, so every character is going to have a similar kind of attack on their third triangle… but there aren't a whole lot of "every move is the same except the super" clones... whereas DW 7 was nothing but due to the weapon switching dynamic.

(Its weird that switching weapons completely changing a character's playstyle bothers me... but switching gundams doesn't? Of course, Gundam 4 has customized the characters more, so...)

If you want crazy character variety where everyone plays completely different, Sengoku Basara is the under-rated non-koei game to get. You can play one character for 50 hours and still not figure out all the crap they do or how they're really supposed to work.

MajinArekkusu

I wondered by the way, what is the difference between samurai warriors and sengoku basara? That basara has the same characers, they do play in the same era right, only with the over the top anime astethic?

maxterdexter

Bunch of girls, but as midna is just in imp mode, and fi is just so robotic and demure, they aren't going for sexual fan service

Robby

@MajinArekkusu:

I wondered by the way, what is the difference between samurai warriors and sengoku basara? That basara has the same characers, they do play in the same era right, only with the over the top anime astethic?

They're based on the same legend, so the character names and basic traits overlap a lot, but the approaches are different, and yes, Basara is a little more over the top… but even SW is a lot wackier in general than Dynasty Warriors.

Basara has a much smaller roster, but the characters are WAY more diverse. They all play completely differently, more in line with the techniques of a fighting game than a musou game. For example, one character only gets his attack chain going after the first hit... another character is about dodge cancelling to minimize the timing between his moves, another is about holding down the button to charge up attacks, another heals themself constantly, one uses distant clones, one has an alt power mode, etc.

(The downside to this is, its also possibly you'll only like one or two characters.) You can literally play a character for weeks only to later discover a nuance that is clearly how they were meant to be played, its kind of insane. Its a small roster but you can tell a lot of work went into each character... and in sequels they'll remove a character if they're too close to a new character.

Basara also has WAY, WAY better stage design... each stage has its own unique gimmick that keeps them fresh, and they have shortcuts designed to make traversing simple.

(Basara also does the sensible thing in 2 player mode... and shares one map rather than cluttering up both screens.)

Just a shame that its a Capcom franchise, and you know Capcom, they love to see franchises suffer and die. The last two games only came out in Japan.

The musou franchises have started picking up on some of the things Basara did right, but not all of them.

MajinArekkusu

Thanks for the explanation. And wow I totally forgot basara is actually from capcom. Kinda though it was from koei, wondered why they would have two games with similiar characters and them not being some crossover like orochi. Capcom seriosly should create a new game and bring all the rest of them over, they sure look like fun, but sales wise probably not profitable for them I guess.

fana

I always wanted to try a Basara game. I'm holding a small hope that the latest one SB4 will be released one day in english.

Robby

Or you can do what me and my friend do… just import the japanese copy. It's a musou game, so once you figure out the starting menus you can pretty much just GO.

Though Basara the unique quirks to the characters are kinda hard to figure out without instructions sometimes...

Really if all was right and just the two franchises would be fighting side by side and forcing both sides to improve and get better constantly and borrow ideas from one another, with lots of crazy new ideas all the time. Instead... Koei just makes a million games, and sometimes keeps making the same dumb old mistakes.

I really wish they'd playtest their two player mode a bit better though. Stupid mistakes keep going through... like excessive status bar clutter, double maps, or player 2 having to reauip their items every time... or in the really bad case of DW7 that turned me off the franchise for a while... not even be able to participate in the main campaign.

(In Gundam 4... player 2 has to re-assign their partner EVERY time. Stupid oversight.)

I realize that its meant for the one player experience and they assume online co-op, but... don't completely neglect the two player guys! And... let us choose a horizontal or vertical screen split?

fana

Well, I was tempted to do it but since it's my first Basara I'd rather play it in english to understand the story and interactions between characters.
I'll wait this winter and if there're still no news I'll probably buy it from the HK PSN store (it was pretty cheap there if I remember it right).

GetsugaZoro

@MajinArekkusu:

I wondered by the way, what is the difference between samurai warriors and sengoku basara? That basara has the same characers, they do play in the same era right, only with the over the top anime astethic?

Basara is flashier and plays diferently, I like the Koei games more even though I enjoy Basara.

King Cannon

@maxterdexter:

Bunch of girls, but as midna is just in imp mode, and fi is just so robotic and demure, they aren't going for sexual fan service

Oh, you poor naive thing.

Don't underestimate the darkest parts of the Zelda fandom.

y2kyle89

@King:

Oh, you poor naive thing.

Don't underestimate the darkest parts of ~~the Zelda~~the internet.

Let's be honest with ourselves here.

Green_vs_Red

@maxterdexter:

Bunch of girls, but as midna is just in imp mode, and fi is just so robotic and demure, they aren't going for sexual fan service

Since when do people not think robots are sexy?

King Cannon

@Green_vs_Red:

Since when do people not think robots are sexy?

Fi could be headless and people would still find her sexy.