I love those double spreads of the doflamingo family!
They have been the most original and diverse crew so far in the series, even more than the straw hats!
its a shame that they will (probably) be wrecked by the end of this arc.
I love those double spreads of the doflamingo family!
They have been the most original and diverse crew so far in the series, even more than the straw hats!
its a shame that they will (probably) be wrecked by the end of this arc.
yet he left law escape with luffy,the one guy able to cut open a kairoseki fatcory without any kind of effort
Well, Law hasn't been freed yet, so Luffy probably lost the key.
yet he left law escape with luffy,the one guy able to cut open a kairoseki fatcory without any kind of effort
We don't know if Law can cut Kairoseki! What he did in Punk Hazard was making shamble when they were to put the handcuffs, in that way he ended up with one without Kairoseki.
So how do you guys think the factory will be destroyed? Given that the key was destroyed it seems like breaking through the seastone factory is the only way since I doubt there's another key (There probably is a cast to make a new key somewhere, given that Dofla still needs access to the factory later, but that doesn't seem feasible in this time frame) and we don't have any DF users like Mr 3 who can create a key with powers. I think Franky actually will destroy it with his lasers as he's planning to. Destroying the factory feels like its always been Franky's role, and given that Seastone is super hard I don't see it being destroyed by physical attacks. That said, we know it's not indestructible by all means since people are able to actually make stuff out of it, so I wouldn't be surprised if lasers were something you could use to destroy it. We've already seen in Punk Hazard that Franky's laser can be used to break walls and doors that aren't really vulnerable to physical attacks.
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We don't know if Law can cut Kairoseki! What he did in Punk Hazard was making shamble when they were to put the handcuffs, in that way he ended up with one without Kairoseki.
I think it's also very possible that the handcuffs weren't made entirely of seastone and only parts were, similar to Smoker's jutte. It's pretty possible he just cut a part made of steel. It's also possible the handcuffs were a composite and he just dealt with the part the matrix (the steel or whatever that's being reinforced). Actually, from what Law said in his fight with smoker I think it's more likely he can't cut seastone itself.
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Or they could've just been coated with a thin layer. Cutting a thin layer of seastone wouldn't really be equivalent to a thick wall
So how do you guys think the factory will be destroyed? Given that the key was destroyed it seems like breaking through the seastone factory is the only way since I doubt there's another key (There probably is a cast to make a new key somewhere, given that Dofla still needs access to the factory later, but that doesn't seem feasible in this time frame) and we don't have any DF users like Mr 3 who can create a key with powers. I think Franky actually will destroy it with his lasers as he's planning to. Destroying the factory feels like its always been Franky's role, and given that Seastone is super hard I don't see it being destroyed by physical attacks. That said, we know it's not indestructible by all means since people are able to actually make stuff out of it, so I wouldn't be surprised if lasers were something you could use to destroy it. We've already seen in Punk Hazard that Franky's laser can be used to break walls and doors that aren't really vulnerable to physical attacks.
Chinjao might be able to do something. Maybe even Elizabello.
What are you walking about? Or rather, who are you talking about? But in any case, the whole "Fujitora isn't a threat at all" thing is funny. I mean, it's funny that you think that, not that it's funny that it's the case. Because it's not.
Oh God another fanboy. @Bigivel:
We don't know if Law can cut Kairoseki! What he did in Punk Hazard was making shamble when they were to put the handcuffs, in that way he ended up with one without Kairoseki.
No, he did cut sea stone. Everyone besides him had sea stone handcuffs.
We don't know if Law can cut Kairoseki! What he did in Punk Hazard was making shamble when they were to put the handcuffs, in that way he ended up with one without Kairoseki.
yes we do.
law's chains were made of simple steel,but the other's were real kairoseki,and he cut them without effort.
he also cut marine ships in half,and them are supposed to have kairoseki on the base,even if we don't know in what quantity
Chinjao might be able to do something. Maybe even Elizabello.
I doubt even Chinjao or Elizabello could. Maybe if they worked together I guess. Still think this seems like Franky's job. And it also wouldn't look like as much of an oversight for Doflamingo, since even if he knows Franky can use lasers (which I'm not sure he would given that Franky didn't use them in his fight with Baby 5 and Buffalo) it's possible he wouldn't realize lasers could damage seastone. After all, lasers are hardly common in the One Piece world, since the only people who can make them are Kizaru because of his DF, Vegapunk, and Franky by copying Vegapunk. I guess he might know due to pacifistas being equipped with them though. Though again it's still highly possible that Dofla still doesn't know about Franky having lasers
It pains me to see a user named 'Magi' talk so much shit. But what do I know? I'm a fanboy~
yes we do.
law's chains were made of simple steel,but the other's were real kairoseki,and he cut them without effort.
he also cut marine ships in half,and them are supposed to have kairoseki on the base,even if we don't know in what quantity
We don't know if the whole handcuff was made of Kairoseki, or simply parts were. It could also just be a thin coating which he was able to break with his sword (He didn't use his powers to break it, he used his sword)
fantastic chapter
best of the year so far for sure
loved Zoro kicking Dellinger like he was sort of bumbling doofus and Luffy cracking up at Pika
but the thing I loved the most was that scene where the Executive Officers flipped out on that underling. I think the cohesiveness of the Donquixote Family really makes them the best team of villains in the entire series. This isn't to say that Doflamingo is the best villain or anything; I certainly don't believe this is the case. However, insofar as they function as a real, complex, in-depth and familiar group, they are the best Oda's ever written.
also was it just the Officers and Doflamingo who reacted so strongly to the snickering? seems like Baby 5 and the rest were capable of being a bit more coolheaded in comparison. makes me think if they, along with Vergo, were the first to join Doffy's crew.
And one more thing: this chapter really went out of its way to show pretty much everyone (even that lone panel of Kyros). The only people who weren't given exposure were Kinemon, Burgess and Sabo. Kinemon's understandable because he's in some scrap heap right now and I think the Kanjuro thing is going to be a big event (but I'm not sure why just yet). But Burgess has been on the down-low for a while, and Sabo's disappearance was noted explicitly in the chapter.
I'm expecting Burgess and Sabo to be the real wildcards in the upcoming chapters. Real cliffhanger material.
I really hope it's Franky that gets to destroy the factory since he's been hellbent on doing so since they got to the island.
We don't know if the whole handcuff was made of Kairoseki, or simply parts were. It could also just be a thin coating which he was able to break with his sword (He didn't use his powers to break it, he used his sword)
even if only a thin kayer,kairoseki is still uncuttable using strenght alone,and only parts of the chains being made of kairoseki doesn't make any sense
also,yes,he did use his powers.
even if only a thin kayer,kairoseki is still uncuttable using strenght alone,and only parts of the chains being made of kairoseki doesn't make any sense
It's never been said to be completely uncuttable. Just harder than diamond. And even in real life diamond isn't really uncuttable (it'd be worthless if it was). And why would it not make sense for the whole chain to not be maid of seastone? It makes more sense to me given that seastone is supposedly rare and you wouldn't really need the entire chain to be seastone. You'd just need enough to incapacitate a DF user wearing them so it'd probably be more economical to do it that way
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Hell the fact that we've seen tons of marine ships split down the middle over the course of the series suggests that a thin coating of seastone is far from unbreakable
And one more thing: this chapter really went out of its way to show pretty much everyone (even that lone panel of Kyros). The only people who weren't given exposure were Kinemon, Burgess and Sabo.
We also didnt saw Gladius, Buffalo, Bellamy and Cavendish.
We also didnt saw Gladius, Buffalo, Bellamy and Cavendish.
Pretty sure Kyros put Buffalo out of commission for the arc
It's never been said to be completely uncuttable. Just harder than diamond. And even in real life diamond isn't really uncuttable (it'd be worthless if it was). And why would it not make sense for the whole chain to not be maid of seastone? It makes more sense to me given that seastone is supposedly rare and you wouldn't really need the entire chain to be seastone. You'd just need enough to incapacitate a DF user wearing them so it'd probably be more economical to do it that way
You know, I think Oda would be more clear with this sort of stuff if it was the case. Like, with some kind of throwaway dialogue:
"Hey, how come did you cut this Seastone?"
"It's not entirely made of Seastone/It's just coated in Seastone."
I mean, he is able to specify that Smoker's Jutte only has Seastone at the tip.
But yeah, he never specified otherwise, so I guess it's safe to assume that a Seastone something is entirely made of Seastone.
Plus Gladius we see in the spread of Doflamingo and his group
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You know, I think Oda would be more clear with this sort of stuff if it was the case. Like, with some kind of throwaway dialogue:
"Hey, how come did you cut this Seastone?"
"It's not entirely made of Seastone/It's just coated in Seastone."I mean, he is able to specify that Smoker's Jutte only has Seastone at the tip.
But yeah, he never hinted otherwise, so we just have to assume that a Seastone something is entirely made of Seastone.
Honestly I feel like Law cutting the chains was just meant to be plot convenience and Oda didn't really think about it at all (especially since we see law using his sword to break it, not his powers). Specifying in Smoker's case was to explain why Smoker could even use it.
We also didnt saw Gladius, Buffalo, Bellamy and Cavendish.
Gladius is right here
http://readms.com/r/one_piece/747/2375/9
Buffalo is probably in the background recovering from the Kyros attack
and I think Bellamy has been established as a wildcard for a while now. Hasn't it been like 16 chapters since we've seen him?
I just figured Cavendish was crawling out of the hole along with Boo and Hajrudin; I didn't really see why he had to be shown, really. Same could be said for Chinjao. If the former toys were shown for a bit, I guessed that would be enough.
Honestly I feel like Law cutting the chains was just meant to be plot convenience and Oda didn't really think about it at all (especially since we see law using his sword to break it, not his powers). Specifying in Smoker's case was to explain why Smoker could even use it.
That's what I think too.
Anyway the factory destruction isn't going to Law even if he can cut seastone. It's Franky's job.
Plus Gladius we see in the spread of Doflamingo and his group
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Honestly I feel like Law cutting the chains was just meant to be plot convenience and Oda didn't really think about it at all (especially since we see law using his sword to break it, not his powers). Specifying in Smoker's case was to explain why Smoker could even use it.
I dunno why it's so hard to believe that Law can cut Seastone because of his ability.
Dude can cut people without letting them die.
I dunno why it's so hard to believe that Law can cut Seastone because of his ability.
Dude can cut people without letting them die.
Maybe I guess. Regardless I don't think Law will be the one to destroy the factory, especially considering he's currently cuffed and powerless
after all this waiting I think I'd really like it if Bellamy ended up being the one who falls the Birdcage
he said he had nothing to live for and exited the Colosseum a while back
it's been so long since then that I wouldn't be surprised if he had left the island somehow
honestly who knows what the fuck is going on with Bellamy. the fact that we didn't see him during that period in which Pika was basically playing with the island like Playdoh sort of makes me think he's either in a really really secure area of the island or he left entirely and will return with someone or something
Maybe I guess. Regardless I don't think Law will be the one to destroy the factory, especially considering he's currently cuffed and powerless
Well, of course. He's going to the palace.
But I really hope Franky finds some resistance. It would be too easy if he simply had to walk to it and shoot.
It's never been said to be completely uncuttable. Just harder than diamond. And even in real life diamond isn't really uncuttable (it'd be worthless if it was). And why would it not make sense for the whole chain to not be maid of seastone? It makes more sense to me given that seastone is supposedly rare and you wouldn't really need the entire chain to be seastone. You'd just need enough to incapacitate a DF user wearing them so it'd probably be more economical to do it that way
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Hell the fact that we've seen tons of marine ships split down the middle over the course of the series suggests that a thin coating of seastone is far from unbreakable
of course by uncuttable i meant that nodoby is able to cut it yet because it's harder than diamond.
as for the "only some parts are made of kairoseki",it would have been made clear in the manga if that was the case
also,especially because we know that kairoseki it's just really hard,why are you doubting that law can cut it?his power just "separate" things without damaging them,so the fact that something is hard doesn't really matter.
Because Vergo was a hopeless case.
Vergo and Monet had to die so the rest of the crew could be safe from Kaidou.
After that, he had to prepare against the Alliance, so he couldn't stay at PH.
Luffy wouldn't do this to his nakama, period.
Oh God another fanboy. No, he did cut sea stone. Everyone besides him had sea stone handcuffs.
Hey, can I give my two cents? I'm no fanboy, so you can trust me.
Admirals were made in a way so they represent a great power among the Marines. Not just their logia fruits (look at some not so strong logia users), but because they were shown as dudes who can kick some serious ass. In the war, Oda was constantly reminding us that the Admirals are a force not to be underestimated (he did it through reaction shots, and overall drawing the three Admirals in such way; heck, even the sometimes ridiculous size of those three is an indicator that Oda wants to portray them as really powerful people). There's absolutely zero evidence that points to the fact that the new Admirals aren't in the same category. They have to be, because that's an unwritten must-have feature of them that was established throughout the whole series.
I'm a fangirl, harhar
Chinjao might be able to do something. Maybe even Elizabello.
Elizabello already tried to use his king punch on it but didn't work:
http://i8.mangapanda.com/one-piece/726/one-piece-4536727.jpg
Gladius is right here
I just figured Cavendish was crawling out of the hole along with Boo and Hajrudin; I didn't really see why he had to be shown, really. Same could be said for Chinjao.
Plus Gladius we see in the spread of Doflamingo and his group
Pretty sure Kyros put Buffalo out of commission for the arc
Okay, Gladius was stupid by me. Somehow didnt notice him. And Buffalo could indeed already be taken out, at least for the near future.
But I think Chinjao and especially Cavendish/Hakuba will still play an important role or even directly fight against some of the Dofla family members.
So, we have nearly anyone important in this chapter, apart from Cavendish and Bellamy
Edit: Oh, and damn Burgess as well
I hope they get the actual pikachu voice actress/actor to voice pika. Would be fun hearing actual sentences with that voice, lol.
Law still has cuffs on even now? Sure, why would you take them off, it's not like he could use DF to teleport you away from pica, admiral, marines, pirates and who else is there and would be more easy to reach Doflamingo…
I hope they get the actual pikachu voice actress/actor to voice pika. Would be fun hearing actual sentences with that voice, lol.
That's Chopper's VA.
Law still has cuffs on even now? Sure, why would you take them off, it's not like he could use DF to teleport you away from pica, admiral, marines, pirates and who else is there and would be more easy to reach Doflamingo…
Luffy probably lost the key.
It pains me to see a user named 'Magi' talk so much shit. But what do I know? I'm a fanboy~
You are no longer the sole-resident Magi fanboy Enzeru, you need to keep up!
after all this waiting I think I'd really like it if Bellamy ended up being the one who falls the Birdcage
he said he had nothing to live for and exited the Colosseum a while back
it's been so long since then that I wouldn't be surprised if he had left the island somehow
honestly who knows what the fuck is going on with Bellamy. the fact that we didn't see him during that period in which Pika was basically playing with the island like Playdoh sort of makes me think he's either in a really really secure area of the island or he left entirely and will return with someone or something
Yeah, basically this. Who the fuck knows. He's had so many chances to reintroduce him, that I think at this point the best choice is during the final confrontation against Doflamingo.
The thing is, the last thing he said was that he wasn't going to betray Doffy cause he truly respected him, so. . .what does Oda have in mind for him, considering the massive amount of stuff he still has ahead of him in this arc (fights + flashback (Dofla) or flashbacks (Doflas past and creation of the Family / Law + Cora, guest starring Dofla again / ¿¿¿Fujitora??? / ¿¿¿¿Why is Momonosuke so important for Doffy, guest starring Kinemon and Kanjuro???? / ¿¿¿¿¿Bellamy's trip to Skypiea and death of his crewmates????? + Fujitora's decision once the arc is done + aftermath of the arc + The fuck's up with Sanji and co + Manshelly-Ma Cherie - Mike Jerry - Wathever +. . .)?
(BTW, looking at it this way, even if Oda were to off-pannel every fight except for Luffy vs Doffy, just the plot and character related content is at least 10-15 chapters worth of material, being very fast and cutting all the corners possible, Kyros supersonic flashback style. The 60 chapter mark seems impossible to avoid, and I'd say. . .70 doesn't seem that impossible.)
why is he even taking Law with him if he lost the key
Doflamingo seems to be a sociopath, though. I'm talking about a psychopathy which activated through life events resulting in more caring, humane way.
It was obvious Doffy was sad because of their deaths, that darkened window panel of his showed it greatly for me. Considering I'm counting him as a sociopath at that moment he probably felt out of character and emotions of grief and the memories that came with them. Then he reacted impulsively rushing there without giving a notice to anyone. Although cunning I think it's safe to call him impuslive. His callous personality allow him to create an underground crime empire in a systematic way but there are times in which he can't help himself.
Considering there were psycopaths which killed their victims and made them sit next to himself talking to the dead body and a certain one whom tried to zombify his victims to make them stay with them, it can be assumed that Doffy's family works similiar in these sense too. A very irrational way… Yes, Doflamingo was sorry when Vergo and Monet died but that's it. There is no sorrow or remorse like feelings on him.
But what I found odd is his crew is like that, too. Do we know if any of them heads-up regarding to what about to Vergo and Monet. I mean there has to be, Law killed Vergo. Someone supposedly had a seat in Joker's crew. If they do know about Vergo and Monet now that is bad-writing, from my point of view.
Fujitora~ I think we still do need some time to judge his character or blame Oda for ruining him as a character. But after giving the vibe that he cared about every citizens and valued each person's well being these last chapters seems kind of odd.
If he means just because World Government do things from afar and is not able to handle everything themselves, it's ok for people step up and fight for their freedom… Then why the fuck are you going for Luffy's head? Just attack Doflamingo and get over with it. Chaos gone.
If he is pausing chaos to continue so Doflamingo is going to more easily accused and Shichibukai will be easy to diminish, his care for people, his character hinted to us so far has nothing to do how he acts. I think we should keep on waiting how he is going to act within a month or two.
yes we do.
law's chains were made of simple steel,but the other's were real kairoseki,and he cut them without effort.
he also cut marine ships in half,and them are supposed to have kairoseki on the base,even if we don't know in what quantity
Oh, you're right! But is all the cuff made by kairoseki? And didn't the marine ships have only a small portions of kairoseki?
Either way, does Doflamingo knows about that? And did he thought about that? Probably not. At the heat of the moment a person can't think of every variable. In the end the person that will destroy the Factory with the SUPER Beam that will even destroy Kairoseki is or SUPER Franky! :)
So, anyone else finds overconfidence of both Doffy and Pica a little bit annoying?
They are hardly in ideal situation right now. They should be a little bit more worried.
That's Chopper's VA.
Luffy probably lost the key.
That explains EVERYTHING lol.
So I wonder what will law do.
I hope they get the actual pikachu voice actress/actor to voice pika. Would be fun hearing actual sentences with that voice, lol.
isn't she chopper's voice actress?
So, anyone else finds overconfidence of both Doffy and Pica a little bit annoying?
They are hardly in ideal situation right now. They should be a little bit more worried.
It's just funny to me 'cause Doffy was the first competent villain to finally say they shouldn't underestimate the Strawhats. And then what does he do?
@Myu:
Doflamingo seems to be a sociopath, though. I'm talking about a psychopathy which activated through life events resulting in more caring, humane way.
It was obvious Doffy was sad because of their deaths, that darkened window panel of his showed it greatly for me. Considering I'm counting him as a sociopath at that moment he probably felt out of character and emotions of grief and the memories that came with them. Then he reacted impulsively rushing there without giving a notice to anyone. Although cunning I think it's safe to call him impuslive. His callous personality allow him to create an underground crime empire in a systematic way but there are times in which he can't help himself.
Considering there were psycopaths which killed their victims and made them sit next to himself talking to the dead body and a certain one whom tried to zombify his victims to make them stay with them, it can be assumed that Doffy's family works similiar in these sense too. A very irrational way… Yes, Doflamingo was sorry when Vergo and Monet died but that's it. There is no sorrow or remorse like feelings on him.
But what I found odd is his crew is like that, too. Do we know if any of them heads-up regarding to what about to Vergo and Monet. I mean there has to be, Law killed Vergo. Someone supposedly had a seat in Joker's crew. If they do know about Vergo and Monet now that is bad-writing, from my point of view.
Fujitora~ I think we still do need some time to judge his character or blame Oda for ruining him as a character. But after giving the vibe that he cared about every citizens and valued each person's well being these last chapters seems kind of odd.
If he means just because World Government do things from afar and is not able to handle everything themselves, it's ok for people step up and fight for their freedom… Then why the fuck are you going for Luffy's head? Just attack Doflamingo and get over with it. Chaos gone.
If he is pausing chaos to continue so Doflamingo is going to more easily accused and Shichibukai will be easy to diminish, his care for people, his character hinted to us so far has nothing to do how he acts. I think we should keep on waiting how he is going to act within a month or two.
Think you misjudge Fujitora. You seem upset since he don't value the people of DressRosa but he does, even more than you state. Fujitora seems concearned about it longterm and for the whole world. Why? Cause he states it in his conversation with Maynard about the current state continuing by the world government acts as "gods/dictators" telling the population how it should be, and that way is the schichibukai system. When one falls, another one takes his place and the chaos continues. Fujitora realizes that the population must become a new powerplayer and not just be the victim and if the population can change one country, they can change any country and I am of the belief that the will of the people is more stable and fair than the Schichibukai system.
EDIT.. Just got the bad slogan for DressRosa and the will of the people. "The will of D" is the will of DressRosa ;) ;)
My thoughts. Finally, we see why the marines aren't going after Doflamingo.. and what Fujitora really thinks about it all. Him fighting Zoro is also a nice touch that I definitely want to see where it goes.
Doflamingo is really clever. Forgiving them is his only real option, as he still needs them to fight off foes. Pika having a high pitched voice is also genius. (On Oda's part really) It explains why he's never spoken until now lol Doflamingo is also really quite honorable, in his own sick twisted way. His crew is his family, something I came to expect by now but if you'd told me this in Part 1 of One Piece, I would have been surprised.
Loved seeing what Luffy and Franky are up to, as well as what everyone else is doing. Good to see the real action has finally began and how things are moving. Loved seeing Luffy laugh at Peeka, no surprise there lol
All in all, an alright chapter, albiet perhaps showing a little too much all at once. Not amazing, but steps in the right direction and definitely gets the plot going.
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Like usual though, this arc has had 3 elements:
1. Build Up
2. Backstory
3. Humor
hope soon it'll be more than this. Have gotten a bit tired of these mostly off-screen fights.
People are different and all.
Yup! The one who his love the most is himself. When the time is right, anyone can be his pawn.
He is a successful villian character , but still an ass from my point of view.
I think Fujitora is saying that even if Doflamingo must be stopped it's more important to protect the citizens of the country first. I think the crisis he's refering too are incidents like Alabasta where pirates are seen as the good guys even when they shouldn't be and I think he believes that is due to how the Marines mismanage situations like this. Fujitora wants to put the lives of citizens before anything else instead of ignoring them and going straight for Doflamingo.
It's hard to completely grasp what he's saying because i'm not too familiar with the japanese concept of God and he's not being very clear. Im sure his intentions will be expressed more clearly in a future chapter.
Great chapter. Pica having a high-pitched voice is genius. Absolute genius.
I like how we got a little bit more depth into Doflamingo's character in this chapter. Oda's going to deliver when he draw his inevitable flashback.
It's hilarious how some people are completely missing Fujitora's objective and are bashing his character. He's seeing the bigger picture than just Dressrosa. If anything, this rounds out his character more than other previous scenes.
That's Chopper's VA.
Oh right, how could I forget. Well then it's easy they just have to change the voice a little and there you go. Don't even need a new VA.^^
Law still has cuffs on even now? Sure, why would you take them off, it's not like he could use DF to teleport you away from pica, admiral, marines, pirates and who else is there and would be more easy to reach Doflamingo…
Law is unwillingly comming along because he is wearing sea stone cuffs. Cuffed guys cant say no.