PEACE… of Cake!
Naruto and Bleach IV- Sexy time
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@Purple:
Else it just goes to what Daz alluded to, that Madara just is going along the lines of thinking that "there must be order" and that's that. Madara just has this huge rhetoric going on about how the world sucks and how he needs to change it, but he never looks really invested into it.
Agreed. For all his years of planning he doesn't really seem to give a damn either way does he? Yeah I agree with you on that point and that actually makes him weak character wise.
This is why I think Kishimoto should have stuck with pain(although I hated the reveal that he mainly following Obito's/Madara's pathetic views) as the final villain, he worked as the kind of villain seems to like but Madara not so much.
You know I'd like to see what would happen to Madara as the only self aware person should he succeed.
HOW COME LUFFY NEVER KILLS AN ENEMY?
ODA:ITS BECAUSE IN THAT ERA EVERYONE USES THEIR LIVES TO FIGHT FOR THEIR DREAMS. FOR AN ENEMY WHEN THEIR DREAM HAS BEEN SHATTERED,IT IS AS PAINFUL AS DEATH,I BELIEVE FOR A PIRATE NOT TO KILL AN ENEMY , IT'S GIVING THEM A SECOND CHANCE TO FIGHT FOR THEIR DREAMS.
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@Purple:
Madara is a dingus
But you see Purple, Kishimoto has already introduced a failsafe for all your "Weakly characterized villain" concerns:
The Uchiha Love Cancer!
Madara actions make little sense? Well of course, he's genetically predisposed to being irrational!
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Agreed. For all his years of planning he doesn't really seem to give a damn either way does he? Yeah I agree with you on that point and that actually makes him weak character wise.
This is why I think Kishimoto should have stuck with pain(although I hated the reveal that he mainly following Obito's/Madara's pathetic views) as the final villain, he worked as the kind of villain seems to like but Madara not so much.
You know I'd like to see what would happen to Madara as the only self aware person should he succeed.
I don't really like pain either. Madara, Obito and Pain, talk about the world being horrible but the story and them only talk about one event that was horrible in their lives, and the event isn't really that great either because is something that an normal adult in their situation should expect.
Madara -> Nobody liked him to be hokage(Sorry, but I don't see how the death of his brother ages before and in a different system have to do with him thinking that the world is wrong and need other ways to make peace)
Obito -> Rin died during a mission.
Pain -> Yahiko killed himself, for totally stupid reasons, in an ambush.That is it, and all of them say that the world is an hell everywhere and every time, but those were all singular events. At least show two or three of those types of events before saying that the entire world is a nightmare(For example Kakashi had at least three of those moments, in fast succession: Obito death, Rin death and Minato death. Because of that Kakashi would be a better villain that all of those three).
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@The:
But you see Purple, Kishimoto has already introduced a failsafe for all your "Weakly characterized villain" concerns:
The Uchiha Love Cancer!
Madara actions make little sense? Well of course, he's genetically predisposed to being irrational!
Madara is a dingus
Agreed. For all his years of planning he doesn't really seem to give a damn either way does he? Yeah I agree with you on that point and that actually makes him weak character wise.
This is why I think Kishimoto should have stuck with pain(although I hated the reveal that he mainly following Obito's/Madara's pathetic views) as the final villain, he worked as the kind of villain seems to like but Madara not so much.
You know I'd like to see what would happen to Madara as the only self aware person should he succeed.
"I've succeeded in putting everyone in an eternal slumber! Now to…
A) Go into a hidden cave for eternity seeing as he's antisocial?
B) Mingle with the regulars he so clearly cares about?
C)Practice ninja techsCan't do that in a chakra-less world"Hmmm… not too many viable options here.
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@The:
But you see Purple, Kishimoto has already introduced a failsafe for all your "Weakly characterized villain" concerns:
The Uchiha Love Cancer!
Madara actions make little sense? Well of course, he's genetically predisposed to being irrational!
And this is why I was disappointed that AP chose Sasuke wanting to be Hokage over Uchiha Love Cancer as the worst Nardo moment of the year. It's the culmination of Uchiha charactesation crapiness.
Linkin Park lyrics literally flew off those pages man.
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I don't really like pain either. Madara, Obito and Pain, talk about the world being horrible but the story and them only talk about one event that was horrible in their lives, and the event isn't really that great either because is something that an normal adult in their situation should expect.
Madara -> Nobody liked him to be hokage(Sorry, but I don't see how the death of his brother ages before and in a different system have to do with him thinking that the world is wrong and need other ways to make peace)
Obito -> Rin died during a mission.
Pain -> Yahiko killed himself, for totally stupid reasons, because of an ambush.That is it, and all of them say that the world is an hell everywhere and every time, but those were all singular events. At least show two or three of those types of events before saying that the entire world is a nightmare(For example Kakashi had at least three of those moments, in fast succession: Obito death, Rin death and Minato death. Because of that Kakashi would be a better villain that all of those three).
To be fair, I believe that one moment can have a strong impact on a person's lives, and Madara's bro definitely died probably at most a few years before the establishment of konohagakure.
But yeah pretty much these "life changing events" sucked the life out of me.
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Pain -> Yahiko killed himself, for totally stupid reasons, because of an ambush.
Actually ever since he was a child Nagato had only known war. Remember their village was situated between two powerful villages that really didn't care about them and then you had the fact that Hanzo couldn't bring peace with his ideals(and so couldn't Yahiko). Then you consider that in the end it was the fear that Akatsuki was gaining too much power that led to the betrayal(despite the good they were doing) showed that in the end people respond more to fear than goodwill and this is what essentially led to Pain. So no Pain wasn't all about Yahiko, the death of Yahiko was the straw that broke the camels back(sorry I'm not sure I've expressed myself coherently).
@Purple:
"I've succeeded in putting everyone in an eternal slumber! Now to…
A) Go into a hidden cave for eternity seeing as he's antisocial?
B) Mingle with the regulars he so clearly cares about?
C) Practice ninja techs Can't do that in a chakra-less world"Hmmm... not too many viable options here.
He'll end up creating another genjustu world where there is war.
HOW COME LUFFY NEVER KILLS AN ENEMY?
ODA:ITS BECAUSE IN THAT ERA EVERYONE USES THEIR LIVES TO FIGHT FOR THEIR DREAMS. FOR AN ENEMY WHEN THEIR DREAM HAS BEEN SHATTERED,IT IS AS PAINFUL AS DEATH,I BELIEVE FOR A PIRATE NOT TO KILL AN ENEMY , IT'S GIVING THEM A SECOND CHANCE TO FIGHT FOR THEIR DREAMS.
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Like I said, Naruto movie villains were more convincing.
I'd be more sold if Madara just wanted a second chance to get back at Konoha and then create Uchiha village which would rule everyone. We're supposed to believe that he's so selfless and concerned for the world peace after seeing everything he has done. Or is it that he's so selfish that he wants to control how everyone behaves?
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@Purple:
Madara is a dingus
"I've succeeded in putting everyone in an eternal slumber! Now to…
A) Go into a hidden cave for eternity seeing as he's antisocial?
B) Mingle with the regulars he so clearly cares about?
C)Practice ninja techsCan't do that in a chakra-less world"Hmmm… not too many viable options here.
How about the part where he has to care for the entire hypnotised humanity? Feeding them, cleaning up after them, even somehow ensuring they continue procreate because otherwise mankind will die out as no one is doing the deed in reality…
Yeah, it's like the matrix, except much dumber.
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How about the part where he has to care for the entire hypnotised humanity? Feeding them, cleaning up after them, even somehow ensuring they continue procreate because otherwise mankind will die out as no one is doing the deed in reality…
Yeah, it's like the matrix, except much dumber.
Oh I thought that Madara would get sucked up into the matrix, too. I was just going along with koma's hypothetical "what if he was the only self-aware person in there?"
The logistical problems with an entire world not doing anything are fairly self-explanatory.
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Actually ever since he was a child Nagato had only known war. Remember their village was situated between two powerful villages that really didn't care about them and then you had the fact that Hanzo couldn't bring peace with his ideals(and so couldn't Yahiko). Then you consider that in the end it was the fear that Akatsuki was gaining too much power that led to the betrayal(despite the good they were doing) showed that in the end people respond more to fear than goodwill and this is what essentially led to Pain. So no Pain wasn't all about Yahiko, the death of Yahiko was the straw that broke the camels back(sorry I'm not sure I've expressed myself coherently).
He'll end up creating another genjustu world where there is war.
I was a little unfair, giving that Pain had the brutal death of his parents, but other than this everything else was really badly shown. Just saying they lived in war isn't enough. The only thing showed was them being hungry, than Jiraya teach them ninjutsu, than them being super successful ninjas, than they are betrayed in a peace treaty meeting, than Yahiko decides that is better to kill himself than try anything else(like trying to escape,him and his friends, from the ambush), than the whole world is bad.
How can you perceive that has the world is a nightmare and "we suffered so much" and there is not another way?
Am I supposed to imagine in my dream that Nagato and Konan loose a lot of people they cared and tried a lot of times to make peace, but time after time after time they failed? Because I believe that his the responsibility of the author, to show that to the readers. -
lol obito will help with the bathroom duties.
one thing i dont care for is that madara obito and pain were all cut copy and pastes of each other.
it started off with madara tnjing obito but failing the first try, obito tnjing nagato failing the first try, and nagato trying to tnj naruto and failing to succeed against our savior. i think those black rods madara created tho helped transform obito and nagato into ''madara'' because he inserted his will into their young bodies :q''madara'' is a coward who runs away
''madara'' is a failure.
''madara'' steps over his comrades bodies and is not a true leader
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And what did Madara do all over the years before meeting Obito? Did he really just sit there in his cave or am I forgetting something?
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I was a little unfair, giving that Pain had the brutal death of his parents, but other than this everything else was really badly shown. Just saying they lived in war isn't enough. The only thing showed was them being hungry, than Jiraya teach them ninjutsu, than them being super successful ninjas, than they are betrayed in a peace treaty meeting, than Yahiko decides that is better to kill himself than try anything else(like trying to escape,him and his friends, from the ambush), than the whole world is bad.
How can you perceive that has the world is a nightmare and "we suffered so much" and there is not another way?
Am I supposed to imagine in my dream that Nagato and Konan loose a lot of people they cared and tried a lot of times to make peace, but time after time after time they failed? Because I believe that his the responsibility of the author, to show that to the readers.Admittedly Pain sucks a lot in terms of how he was handled, but in contrast to the uchihas I'd say he at least he:
A) wasn't afflicted with Uchiha love cancer
B) was from a country where all they did was wage war and was at the center of conflict purely based on its geographical location and not just part of what was essentially gang violence
C) at least tried to solve things with akatsuki first without shedding blood
D) Not an uchiha (feeds back to Part A a bit but more emphasis on the fact that one of the supposedly bigger villains was not from a "cursed family"
E) Wasn't spurred on by a magic rock that talked about how chakra is from a giant tree.–- Update From New Post Merge ---
@Bartholemew:
And what did Madara do all over the years before meeting Obito? Did he really just sit there in his cave or am I forgetting something?
He probably ended up creating Zetsu from Hashirama's cells, but yep. All he did was sit in a cave. Day in and day out. He also couldn't leave very far because that would mean being disconnected from his life support system.
I assume he was twiddling his thumbs the whole time.
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he probably genjutsued himself to be with his boyfreind or played with the mindless hashi clone and dressed it up
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lol obito will help with the bathroom duties.
No, the plant men will. They are really enthused with the matters of human defecation.
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No, the plant men will. They are really enthused with the matters of human defecation.
So THAT'S where they've been since the start of this ever so prolonged fight.
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And here I thought the genjutsu'd people's minds would perpetually exist in the genjutsu. Anyway I think that what is really going on is a peace plan executed by a fucking psychopath. In my opinion, the eye of the moon plan would have been more believable if it wasn't being advertised by a bloodthirsty sadist.
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Genjutsu is an illusion induced through the manipulation of chakra in human brain, not some some sort of magical cyberspace where you can just "upload" human conciousness.
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Genjutsu is an illusion induced through the manipulation of chakra in human brain, not some some sort of magical cyberspace where you can just "upload" human conciousness.
It works though because chakra originates from a giant tree and also shut up
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What if.. the Zetsus, each one goes and merges with a human.
Becomes it's life support, giving it nutrients and finaly having their dream of solid evacuation.
That way everybody could live their genjutsu lives without dying in 3 days of dehidation.
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You see the only real problem I have at this point with Madara is this statement he makes to obito:
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So if the case is that the ninshuu was taught to connect people and have them understand eachother then, reasoably speaking, this should not have happened:
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If you're saying that a technique, not just simply a way of livig or sort of manner, was taught to people in order for them to understand each other then that means that for no reason would they, under any circumstances, use those techniques to create weapons to harm one another, because if you state that they can all understand eachother then what you're saying is that they have a sort of hive mind like menatality where all traces of individualism haved been wiped a way. Everything they would do they would do for the sake of one another and never for themselves because they all understand eachother on a level that surpasses humanunderstanding and ventures into the realm of magic, or in this case rikudou. Anyone they met that didn't agree with their ways or didn't understand would reasobaly be taught this same crazy hive like magic jazz and be taken into the fold thus eliminating them as a threat and spreading peace. So this talk of people using it to hurt one another sounde ludicrous on a reasoable level.
So then we're treated to this:
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No madara you don't get to say that. First you say they did connect and that's how chakra came to be then you say "even if they did", implying that they didn't, also stating that those who learned how to do this fashioned what they learned into a weapon, but wait a minute they must have becase fucking ninjas exist and you use chakras as a weapon so why the contradiction? Next you say that you and buddy-boy over here both only found eventual conflict in your search for peace which sounds stupid because last time I checked you tried to kill an entire village and dedicated the rest of your remaining life to seeing it and everyone who lived there dead…and that guy didn't. Next you say people who have power look for fights, basically implying that even if your plan worked that you, as person with incredible power, would eventualy come to cause conflict within that world. And finally you say that people who don't have power lose everything. The only problem I have with the last statment in your over all argument on why it is you're right and everyone who is fighting you is wrong is that pic of you in the las panel implies that you consider yourself weak, but it can clearly be seen in an earlier pic that you considered yourself powerful. Which is it madara? The first half of this thing, the part dealing with everyone being connected, sounds reasonable, until that part where the start fighting eachother and making weapons to kill eachother comes in, then it just spirals into nonsense blather.
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What if.. the Zetsus, each one goes and merges with a human.
Becomes it's life support, giving it nutrients and finaly having their dream of solid evacuation.
That way everybody could live their genjutsu lives without dying in 3 days of dehidation.
But how about reproduction? So… Zetsus would be up to something really kinky, wouldn't they?
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But how about reproduction? So… Zetsus would be up to something really kinky, wouldn't they?
Talk about morning wood
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Has anyone read the newest chapter of the real Naruto? That was really hilarious.
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Nardo's hitting the number of the beast next chapter, right?
We need to come up with some jokes for the occasion.
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Nardo's hitting the number of the beast next chapter, right?
We need to come up with some jokes for the occasion.
I got one! How about "It's fucking shit"? Good? Bad? I think it might need some work, but you can get the idea.
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I think with all these stories Madara is telling about Rikudo,that he's trying to say that Rikudo is a complete idiot.
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I think with all these stories Madara is telling about Rikudo,that he's trying to say that Rikudo is a complete idiot.
Well he WAS the progenitor of the uchiha clan, so in a way, you could also say he invented love cancer
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Real Naruto is glorious.
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You see the only real problem I have at this point with Madara is this statement he makes to obito:
So if the case is that the ninshuu was taught to connect people and have them understand eachother then, reasoably speaking, this should not have happened:
If you're saying that a technique, not just simply a way of livig or sort of manner, was taught to people in order for them to understand each other then that means that for no reason would they, under any circumstances, use those techniques to create weapons to harm one another, because if you state that they can all understand eachother then what you're saying is that they have a sort of hive mind like menatality where all traces of individualism haved been wiped a way. Everything they would do they would do for the sake of one another and never for themselves because they all understand eachother on a level that surpasses humanunderstanding and ventures into the realm of magic, or in this case rikudou. Anyone they met that didn't agree with their ways or didn't understand would reasobaly be taught this same crazy hive like magic jazz and be taken into the fold thus eliminating them as a threat and spreading peace. So this talk of people using it to hurt one another sounde ludicrous on a reasoable level.
So then we're treated to this:
No madara you don't get to say that. First you say they did connect and that's how chakra came to be then you say "even if they did", implying that they didn't, also stating that those who learned how to do this fashioned what they learned into a weapon, but wait a minute they must have becase fucking ninjas exist and you use chakras as a weapon so why the contradiction? Next you say that you and buddy-boy over here both only found eventual conflict in your search for peace which sounds stupid because last time I checked you tried to kill an entire village and dedicated the rest of your remaining life to seeing it and everyone who lived there dead…and that guy didn't. Next you say people who have power look for fights, basically implying that even if your plan worked that you, as person with incredible power, would eventualy come to cause conflict within that world. And finally you say that people who don't have power lose everything. The only problem I have with the last statment in your over all argument on why it is you're right and everyone who is fighting you is wrong is that pic of you in the las panel implies that you consider yourself weak, but it can clearly be seen in an earlier pic that you considered yourself powerful. Which is it madara? The first half of this thing, the part dealing with everyone being connected, sounds reasonable, until that part where the start fighting eachother and making weapons to kill eachother comes in, then it just spirals into nonsense blather.
I'm fairly sure when he said even if they did that he meant some people did form spiritual bonds, but after so much fighting it grew harder to understand what that bond was. It seemed clearer on the Mangastream version.
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@Devil:
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Real Naruto is glorious.
Truly, this is the greatest manga of them all, rivaling One Piece itself.
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@Devil:
http://readms.com/r/rock_lee/31/2267/25
Real Naruto is glorious.
Yeah, just read it this morning. It's amazing how much better it is. And those Orochimaru's quotes are out of this world.
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It literally makes me sick how awful Naruto has became over time. Why did Kishimoto deviate from the Orochimaru focused plot by embracing the convoluted Akatuski junk? And a million other awful ideas?
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Akatsuki had really great promise back in the day. Let's say before the whole "how-to-get-the-mangekyo-by-killing-your-best-friend" deal was maximum-ish potential. Even at the end of part 1 it was still pretty neat.
-Itachi was made out to be a really big threat who was also just a huge psychotic murderer instead of having ulterior motives
-Kisame's magic sword and high chakra reserves
-Top S class missing-nin
-They just go around hunting jinchuuriki? (also goes to the fact that pretty much villages didn't bother protecting them because they were giant manifestations of destruction)
-Such mystery. Many plans. Wow.
-Also, Orochimaru was once part of them.Heck even in early Part 2 they weren't too bad.
-Distribute biju to small countries as basically nukes and rake in the cash as mercenaries.
-World Domination?!?!?! by doing war all the time or something like that
-art! Money! Cults? And I think Kisame was still the best of them by his end.It only devolved into a heaping mess of crap later, and mainly when Pain's role as leader was actually Tobi. Also when Sasuke joined their club.
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Yep, Akatsuki actually had the potential to be the Shichibukai or Ryodan of Naruto. There were ruined pretty early in part 2 though by Sakura beating the puppet guy, the "avenger" Sasuke beating Deidara, Tobi being a fucking nuisance and Kakuzu being a complete idiot against Naruto. Shikamaru beating Hidan was in itself a good fight but the implications were not too great either. These guys were supposed to be the creme de la creme of top s class missing-nin like purple hermit already said but they got owned left and right by small fries.
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@God:
I'm fairly sure when he said even if they did that he meant some people did form spiritual bonds, but after so much fighting it grew harder to understand what that bond was. It seemed clearer on the Mangastream version.
So I read the mangastream translation because you said it seemed clearer.
The first part once again seems legit:
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So I wan't far off in my orginal understanding that it was a technique he pretty much taught people, but it seems that it was more like a cult thing and not an over all country enveloping thing.
Then I read this:
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And then we once again come to the same problem that was in the mangapanda translation. So what are you saying exactly here? If I remeber correctly it wasn't until the sage of the sith paths came around that chakra came into being, before him chakra wasn't even a thing so how the hell did people learn to manipulate there physical chakra with their 'sprit' chakra? If I also rember correctly, chakra that was used to use ninjustsu was made up of mental energy and physical energy not spiritrual energy. And we also run into the problem that if the sage's teachings were conveyed through his techniques then that means that this whole "everyone understanding eachother" thing would have worked, without any reasonable room for error, and no one would have become hostile with anoyone else because all thoughts of individuality would have been wiped from them. I mean how could they even use it to manipulate charka and fight eachother when they just learned about it five minutes ago? It would probably take a substantial amount of time to learn the sage techinique and then antoher substantial amount of time to learn how to manipulate physical chakra along with the spritual chakra to use it as a weapon. Even then though, you would have to ignore the fact that once you learned the sage thing that you would literealy have no reason to screw around with anything else that has to do with allowing for individual growth that might have the slightes possibility of harming another person because you are now connected with other and have en ethereal understanding with them.
And then mangastream gives me this:
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If anything mangastream just seems to convey this thing in a worse way
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At least Madara isn't fucking swearing every two bubbles as I expected from fucking mangastream
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Every group of characters who you'd expect to be powerful entities, ended up being overshadowed by, guess what, an Uchiha. That's one of Kishi's biggest problems- his permanent Uchiha boner. Just remembering how badass the Raikage once was is depressing. Look at him now…
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There were ruined pretty early in part 2 though by Sakura beating the puppet guy,
That was a good fight, don't hate
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some people seem to think that 666 will have a reference to kishis brothers manga. ive never read it so i dont know but the boy on the cover looks just like obito now with white and black hair. i hope theres a good fight even if you dont llike either or one of the people, its the perfect oppurtunity to show off madaras new strength. obitos the only one who can fight now. and naruto can stay dead for a while, give someone else some screen time!! maybe theyll both use nonubokukuobobla
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That was a good fight, don't hate
Didn't the dude like, decide to kill himself or some shit?
Hidden:
This phony honor code that puts you on your throne, a double standard you invoke when you want~
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@NER:
Didn't the dude like, decide to kill himself or some shit?
What? No, he was stabbed by his mother and father puppets.
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@NER:
Didn't the dude like, decide to kill himself or some shit?
Nah he just got hugged to death/backstabbed through the heart by puppets that looked like his parents used by Chiyo.
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I really liked the Sasori fight - probably the only time Sakura got to show something decent, I actually believed back then that Kishi might be on to a good series there, he showed us how time-skip Sakurat got stronger and nicely didn't make Sasori weaker just so she can beat him - instead he teamed her up with someone else to show just how big of a threat just one Akatsuki was.
Pretty fucking shame that because of that he never gave Kankuro anything else to do, because he beat the puppet concept to death. Awful thing, considering he could've made Kankuro study this fight later on in some way to get better himself, have an actual character development.
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Yeah it was like Kishi was thinking "what's the best way to make readers think I actually care about Sakura and dash their hopes just as quickly?"
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Wasn't really impressed by Sakura in that fight since she was controled by a granny to fight Sasori.
Not that the fight wasn't good, but Sakura was overshadowed by an old woman.
