Their main real goal was to stop Yonkou from becoming even stronger. If Yonkou don't pose a threat to WG any more, then Shichibukai aren't needed.
But I can see the decision of disbanding them coming back to bite them in the ass.
Chapter 735: "Fujitora's Intentions"
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I'll be honest with you guys, I think Shichibukai are going down.
It would be pointless to bring it up as a motivation for such important figure like Fuji otherwise.
But that raises one question I have; what's gonna happen to Hancock and Amazon Lily? The only reason she became a Shichibukai was that now her home island would be under World Government protection. With that gone, what's going to happen to Hancock?
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But that raises one question I have; what's gonna happen to Hancock and Amazon Lily? The only reason she became a Shichibukai was that now her home island would be under World Government protection. With that gone, what's going to happen to Hancock?
They'll get a yokou protection as fishman island did when Whitebeard was alive?
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What do you guys think about the new ring? Is it like this to make the final fight more dangerous or are there some special rules for the final?
Something like in the Legend of Korra. I'm thinking maybe the central circle is for Diamante and platforms on each side are for the 4 finalists.I think it's designed to make Rebecca more relevant in the fight. It's too bad they didn't just remove all the water, with KO as the only condition of losing.
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By that you mean that Shichibukai as a whole are useless.
Seriously. You are saying that they will get rid of Sakazuki because he doesn't listem to them, to keep Shichibukai, who also don't listem to them. What?
you misunderstood the role of the shichibukai.
they are basically scarecrows,their only role is to scare people so that they don't become pirates.also the WG doesn't want them to go freely scaring the citiziens..as long as they make damage but nobody knows about it,the WG is totally content with the result…you ven saw in this chapter how fujitora is not surprised at all to see king riku there..the WG knows that the shichibukai are still doing damage,but what 's important to them i's that the citiziens don't know that.
they basically don't have orders,except for really special cases like the marineford war..so the fact that they don't behave like they should doesn't really make them less useful to the WG.
marines though, must obey to orders because it's their job,if someone doesn't do his job,you fire him. -
I really liked how the chapter was paced. It felt steady to me. And sabo at the end thinking about ace was great :,)
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you misunderstood the role of the shichibukai.
they are basically scarecrows,their only role is to scare people so that they don't become pirates.also the WG doesn't want them to go freely scaring the citiziens..as long as they make damage but nobody knows about it,the WG is totally content with the result…you ven saw in this chapter how fujitora is not surprised at all to see king riku there..the WG knows that the shichibukai are still doing damage,but what 's important to them i's that the citiziens don't know that.
they basically don't have orders,except for really special cases like the marineford war..so the fact that they don't behave like they should doesn't really make them less useful to the WG.
marines though, must obey to orders because it's their job,if someone doesn't do his job,you fire him.He is not suprised, because he knew Riku was at large, not because WG somehow knows what Doffy had done to the kingdom and are totaly okay with that. Seriously, why do people keep saying that?
Also, why would you choose scarecrows over guys that do actual work then? Last time when three powerful guys quited, goverment needed to make international draft. It bringed two admirals into marines. Why would they throw two of their best men for the sake of Shichibukai institution?
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And him, Aokiji and Garp leaving absolutely put a huge dent in their powerbase.
One that had to be filled using the unprecedented means of global conscription.
exactly,instead of trying ot make a deal with a subordinate,they prefer using unprecedented methods to fill their need for power.
so why with akainu should that be any different?what he is gonna do,attack the gorosei? -
But that raises one question I have; what's gonna happen to Hancock and Amazon Lily? The only reason she became a Shichibukai was that now her home island would be under World Government protection. With that gone, what's going to happen to Hancock?
Maybe Luffy will claim Amazon Lily as one of his territories :p
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Lol so ace was asked to be a schibukai and he didn't accept and the wg never even though of making harps grandson schibukai to replace moria…
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Lol so ace was asked to be a schibukai and he didn't accept and the wg never even though of making harps grandson schibukai to replace moria…
Maybe if he went to Florian Triangle before going to Water 7 and causing destruction of one of WG's most important institutions.
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Lol so ace was asked to be a schibukai and he didn't accept and the wg never even though of making harps grandson schibukai to replace moria…
The Strawhats had pretty much declared war on the WG buy burning that flag at Enies Lobby…..........I guess they knew then what sort of a pirate Luffy was
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Guys The Seven are mercenaries hired to kill pirates, WG now has pacifistas, new Marine HQ etc etc etc.
Marine is the regular army, if Fuji would attack one of the seven noone would care at all.
Doffy could be an exception only because CP0 is involved meaning there is some special something Doffy is doing for WG. -
He is not suprised, because he knew Riku was at large, not because WG somehow knows what Doffy had done to the kingdom and are totaly okay with that. Seriously, why do people keep saying that?
the WG sent kuma to moria back in thriller bark.
they knew exactly where moria was,and they of course knew of the tons of ships disappearing in the florian trinagle..so they knew about the fact that moria was damaging the citiziens,but as long as he wasn't doing it "openly",they were totally ok with it.@Darth:Also, why would you choose scarecrows over guys that do actual work then? Last time when three powerful guys quited, goverment needed to make international draft. It bringed two admirals into marines. Why would they throw two of their best men for the sake of Shichibukai institution?
they are not choosing.shichibukais are doing their job,marines are doing their job,this all contributes to the balance of the three "pillars"…the shichi by being scarecrows,the marines by doing their job..
the marines are not akainu or fujitora..if they don't want to follow orders,someone else in the organisation will,the same way when some shichibukai acts against the WG (crocodile) he is discarded and someone is put in his place.
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Ok 3 considerations on this chapter:
- the rock-elevator things will surely have a purpose, I'm almost certain that it will the "plot device" to separate zoro kinemon to luffy and viola (so they'll get in different fights
- at the start of the chapter the announcer says that Dofla represantitve (dellinger machvise, senor pink and lao g?) will partecipate at the semi finals + Diamante… at the end when the fighters start entering in the ring he (obviously) says 5 fighters (the 4 finalists + diamante) so.... why he didnt tell that the 4 representative will no be there?
- the special ring is surely made to "boost" diamante's power, dunno how, but when we will see him in action everything will be clear.
I am overanalyzing things?
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Dat Bo Stafffff!!!!
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What do you reckon about Garp then? He's never followed a single order in his life.
And he was still kept around because they needed both his strength, and his image.
even without following orders he still was doing his job,he was still hunting pirates,so he was still an useful asset.
the fleet admiral is not supposed to go hunting though,so his only role is follow orders…if akainu wants to still be a marines and don't follow orders,he can go back to be a VA like garp was -
LOL sabo is like "Dont worry, i will be gentle"
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exactly,instead of trying ot make a deal with a subordinate,they prefer using unprecedented methods to fill their need for power.
so why with akainu should that be any different?what he is gonna do,attack the gorosei?No he'd probably leave, taking with him those that feel that they are loyal to him over the WG.
But then what? They've already exhausted the draft. The well is dry. How will they fill the holes?
I mean the elder stars, are if nothing else, pragmatic. They'd value the strength their military might gives them.
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even without following orders he still was doing his job,he was still hunting pirates,so he was still an useful asset.
the fleet admiral is not supposed to go hunting though,so his only role is follow orders…if akainu wants to still be a marines and don't follow orders,he can go back to be a VA like garp wasBut you just said that if they don't obey they get sacked without considering their usefullness?
If you factor in their usefullness it's clear, atleast to me, that they are worth too much to be pissed away like that.
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the WG sent kuma to moria back in thriller bark.
they knew exactly where moria was,and they of course knew of the tons of ships disappearing in the florian trinagle..so they knew about the fact that moria was damaging the citiziens,but as long as he wasn't doing it "openly",they were totally ok with it.So you are baseing your claim thay WG knows what happened to Dressrosa on the fact that they knew about Thriller Bark…
How does that make any sense whatsoever?
they are not choosing.shichibukais are doing their job,marines are doing their job,this all contributes to the balance of the three "pillars"…the shichi by being scarecrows,the marines by doing their job..
the marines are not akainu or fujitora..if they don't want to follow orders,someone else in the organisation will,the same way when some shichibukai acts against the WG (crocodile) he is discarded and someone is put in his place.
And who do you think will replace TWO admirals? Hell, during the Whitebeard War Akainu, one admiral, contributed more than 100 000 mooks and Shichibukai combined. They are way more usefull then Shichibukai, who, by your own admission, serve only to scare the pirates off.
And why would Marines side with WG over Akainu and Fujitora exactly? Especially in the coflict about basically letting pirates (that regulary kill their collegues, btw) do as they please?
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The WG still needs the shichibukai in case of waging war against a Yonko.
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It's not just about how useful Shichibukai are, it's also about what damage they aren't doing to WG and marines because they are allied.
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Marines need to side with WG because they need money to operate
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No he'd probably leave, taking with him those that feel that they are loyal to him over the WG.
But then what? They've already exhausted the draft. The well is dry. How will they fill the holes?
I mean the elder stars, are if nothing else, pragmatic. They'd value the strength their military might gives them.
they will just promote someone who is now in the lower tiers..they are gonna lose power anyway by either losing the shichibukai (that not only subtracts power from them,by the add it to the pirate side),or by losing akainu…the right choice is the one that doesn't make them appear weak and lose ligitimacy.
But you just said that if they don't obey they get sacked without considering their usefullness?
If you factor in their usefullness it's clear, atleast to me, that they are worth too much to be pissed away like that.
a fleet admiral is useful if he follows orders,since he is not a man of action anymore,but more of a commander.
if akainu doesn't want to follow orders,he is useless as a fleet commander for the WG,so he can either leave or give his position of command to someone who actually listen to orders,and go back to being a pirate hunter
garpo didn't listen to orders,that's why it's sengoku who became fleet admiral (even though we don't know if garp ever wanted the position to begin with)also,remember the chain of command,anyone inside the marines answer to the fleet commander,but then the fleet commander answer to Kong,that its a subordinate of the gorosei.
so garp being still a marine even if he didn't follow the orders was more of a decision of fleet admiral kong first and sengoku then -
On this picture we can see that there´s still one Don Quixote Pirate member without appearing yet. I´m talking about the Heart Officer. What do you think about this character and when do you thing he will show himself up?
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[h=1]The tournament ring is a bad idea(Breakdown)[/h]
This ring is a big plot armour to hide true powerlevel in my opinion
People I believe this tournament Ring benefits
**1)Rebecca-**Because she uses an evasive style technique called Blackwater sword dance. Her whole goal is not to beat physically but to kick out the ring. I really don't want this tourney to end in some billshit way even thoigh I'm one of those guys that like Rebecca
Evidence
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**2)Diamante-**This arc is so much like Arabasta. When I look at Diamante I automatically think of pell. Pell was the lead royal guard to the King and so is Diamante in a way. I think he is an eagle zoan user or he has some unfair advantage that helps him to fight dirty. If he could hover over the ring that would eliminate his chances of being knocked out. He could also destroy the ring with long ranged techniques so everybody loses. It would make sense why he is in charge of tourney because he is best suited to win tournament matches in the family.
Evidence
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**My overall problem:**I don't feel like at the end of this tourney we can properly gauge these fighters full strength because of that ring. I believe its some what of a plot armour so after the tourney we can say Burgess,Bart or Sabo lost straight up because the ring isn't designed for straight up fighting
But even if I'm wrong with pell I don't think I'll be satisfied with how the tourney ends because DD is strategic everything he does is for a reason like Trebol protecting Sugar because of his DF.
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Marines need to side with WG because they need money to operate
that's what i'm trying to explain for a while..but seems like strenght is the only thing you need in the onepiece universe for someone..if you are strong you can do whatever you want….
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So you are baseing your claim thay WG knows what happened to Dressrosa on the fact that they knew about Thriller Bark…
How does that make any sense whatsoever?
that they knew the shichibukai were making damage to civilians back then and were totally ok with it..so since we saw fuji totally unsurprised by seeing the ex king chained in dofla's room (and since the marines actually know about his power to control people),I think they know what happened ten years before.
And who do you think will replace TWO admirals? Hell, during the Whitebeard War Akainu, one admiral, contributed more than 100 000 mooks and Shichibukai combined. They are way more usefull then Shichibukai, who, by your own admission, serve only to scare the pirates off.
And why would Marines side with WG over Akainu and Fujitora exactly? Especially in the coflict about basically letting pirates (that regulary kill their collegues, btw) do as they please?
because they are the ones signing the checks?justice is good and all,but in the end people need money to survive
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The tournament ring is a bad idea(Breakdown)
This ring is a big plot armour to hide true powerlevel in my opinion
http://i41.tinypic.com/4jpelw.jpg
People I believe this tournament Ring benefits
**1)Rebecca-**Because she uses an evasive style technique called Blackwater sword dance. Her whole goal is not to beat physically but to kick out the ring. I really don't want this tourney to end in some billshit way even thoigh I'm one of those guys that like Rebecca
Evidence
**2)Diamante-**This arc is so much like Arabasta. When I look at Diamante I automatically think of pell. Pell was the lead royal guard to the King and so is Diamante in a way. I think he is an eagle zoan user or he has some unfair advantage that helps him to fight dirty. If he could hover over the ring that would eliminate his chances of being knocked out. He could also destroy the ring with long ranged techniques so everybody loses. It would make sense why he is in charge of tourney because he is best suited to win tournament matches in the family.
Evidence
**My overall problem:**I don't feel like at the end of this tourney we can properly gauge these fighters full strength because of that ring. I believe its some what of a plot armour so after the tourney we can say Burgess,Bart or Sabo lost straight up because the ring isn't designed for straight up fighting
But even if I'm wrong with pell I don't think I'll be satisfied with how the tourney ends because DD is strategic everything he does is for a reason like Trebol protecting Sugar because of his DF.
Trust me Sabo isnt going to fail at the first thing he does after getting brought back
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On this picture we can see that there´s still one Don Quixote Pirate member without appearing yet. I´m talking about the Heart Officer. What do you think about this character and when do you thing he will show himself up?
http://i40.tinypic.com/345zr7a.pngthat'0s the seat that was still empty waiting for Law.
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What do you reckon about Garp then? He's never followed a single order in his life.
And he was still kept around because they needed both his strength, and his image.
They probably wouldn't have kept him around if he never obeyed them.
You know how Garp is. He cares about citizens so he did follow his orders when they involved protecting them from pirates. Hell, he stated himself that he doesn't feel pity for criminals, even if the family is different. Maybe he refused to capture his grandson but he was still a valuable Marine.
Besides, it's not like Marines tolerate everything from it's soldiers. Oda told that the reason Smoker hasn't been fired yet was because Hina was always defending him.
Anyway I just love how everyone loves Senor Pink after hating him so much few chapters ago!
Guess it shows you shouldn't judge the characters before knowing them properly. -
Marines need to side with WG because they need money to operate
Technically, they could just stage a coup and take whatever they want. It only took one fishman to cause chaos in Mariejoia. Of course, the security is probably tighter now, but I don't think World Nobles could do much if Akainu and company decided to kill them all.
But then the entire WG alliance and all the countries would fall into complete chaos. I always felt like Nobles had something more that ensured the loyality of marines. -
The WG doesn't care about civilians, they sell civilians in Auction house ,,..
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-Get your ass kicked by Luffy
-Get your ass kicked by a yonkou
-Get your ass kicked by an admiralBeing Doffy is suffering.
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The tournament ring is a bad idea(Breakdown)
This ring is a big plot armour to hide true powerlevel in my opinion
http://i41.tinypic.com/4jpelw.jpg
People I believe this tournament Ring benefits
**1)Rebecca-**Because she uses an evasive style technique called Blackwater sword dance. Her whole goal is not to beat physically but to kick out the ring. I really don't want this tourney to end in some billshit way even thoigh I'm one of those guys that like Rebecca
Evidence
**2)Diamante-**This arc is so much like Arabasta. When I look at Diamante I automatically think of pell. Pell was the lead royal guard to the King and so is Diamante in a way. I think he is an eagle zoan user or he has some unfair advantage that helps him to fight dirty. If he could hover over the ring that would eliminate his chances of being knocked out. He could also destroy the ring with long ranged techniques so everybody loses. It would make sense why he is in charge of tourney because he is best suited to win tournament matches in the family.
Evidence
**My overall problem:**I don't feel like at the end of this tourney we can properly gauge these fighters full strength because of that ring. I believe its some what of a plot armour so after the tourney we can say Burgess,Bart or Sabo lost straight up because the ring isn't designed for straight up fighting
But even if I'm wrong with pell I don't think I'll be satisfied with how the tourney ends because DD is strategic everything he does is for a reason like Trebol protecting Sugar because of his DF.
I think i may need to stop you on your first sentence….. Plot armor and a Plot Device (which is what you are confusing it with) are 2 different things… Plot armor is a characters immunity to a problem (i.e death) because he is the main character and as a main character he cannot die. Also you can in fact guage a characters strenght.... think of it this way
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there is a really strong guy going all out
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that really strong guy can not take a bigger guy
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the bigger guy gets casually one-shotted like a bitch
what does that say about the third guy? you can gauge that he's a tough bastard, and a huge threat (take bart for instance).... Also rebeeca isnt that insanely strong, she's fast... ever heard of Judo? a style not dedicated to using strength but using anothers momentum against them.... how would winning this way be bullshit? that'd be like saying "ahh kenpo is bullshit... you didnt attack, you countered" in similar fashion to that... Its about skill, not raw power. Actually each fighter here displays their own style....
Also you just assumed Diamante has an eagle fruit?
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On this picture we can see that there´s still one Don Quixote Pirate member without appearing yet. I´m talking about the Heart Officer. What do you think about this character and when do you thing he will show himself up?
http://i40.tinypic.com/345zr7a.png?
It was established a long time ago that Dofla's been holding the seat for Law.
The first holder was probably this Cora-san person. -
Technically, they could just stage a coup and take whatever they want. It only took one fishman to cause chaos in Mariejoia. Of course, the security is probably tighter now, but I don't think World Nobles could do much if Akainu and company decided to kill them all.
But then the entire WG alliance and all the countries would fall into complete chaos. I always felt like Nobles had something more that ensured the loyality of marines.a coup d'etat would only be beneficial for akainu and some of his friends..there are still plenty of marines that are there because they want to protect the weak 8and earning money in the process),so they are not gonna be ok with a civil war that is bound to have some casualties
also,revolutionaries and yonkous will probably be ready to attack if something like that should happen,especially the revolutionaries
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Go Sabo go! Hopefully he won't fail at winning the tournament, I guess that the way the ring is set up now wil greatly benefit Diamante, but probably Rebecca also.
I could see Burgess losing against Rebecca by falling out of the ring, but I hope that won't happen. I don't want Burgess to win, but he shouldn't lose against Becca.
I don't know how Bartolomeo is gonna fit in to all of this, he will help Sabo but I don't know what he will do against Becca….
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The WG doesn't care about civilians, they sell civilians in Auction house ,,..
They do care about the civilians as a whole, because their support is what allows WG to expand. No civilian protection, no reason for civilians to be a part of WG. Then they can either join Revolutionaries or wait for WG to kill them or send them to build that bridge at Tequila Wolf.
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This phony honor code that puts you on your throne, a double standard you invoke when you want~
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Technically, they could just stage a coup and take whatever they want. It only took one fishman to cause chaos in Mariejoia. Of course, the security is probably tighter now, but I don't think World Nobles could do much if Akainu and company decided to kill them all.
But then the entire WG alliance and all the countries would fall into complete chaos. I always felt like Nobles had something more that ensured the loyality of marines.And that one fishman already dead. Not all marines shared the same ideology as Akainu. And there's still one position above fleet admiral.
To stage a coup will make them a pirates.
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a coup d'etat would only be beneficial for akainu and some of his friends..there are still plenty of marines that are there because they want to protect the weak 8and earning money in the process),so they are not gonna be ok with a civil war that is bound to have some casualties
also,revolutionaries and yonkous will probably be ready to attack if something like that should happen,especially the revolutionaries
But what exactly would WG thrown against all of the marines?
Also, they operate from military bases. They are bound to have some supplies.
And besides, if Akainu went "You know, instead if paying yearly tributes to the world nobles, that will spend them on extravagante life style and slaves, give them to me, so I can fight pirates and protect the world".
Yeah, sooooo many people would side up with universaly hated Tenryuubitto.
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They do care about the civilians as a whole, because their support is what allows WG to expand. No civilian protection, no reason for civilians to be a part of WG. Then they can either join Revolutionaries or wait for WG to kill them or send them to build that bridge at Tequila Wolf.
The way I see it, the WG do care, but they care about the CD's a whole lot more.
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Blackwater sword dance? What ?My bad its called the backwater sword dance its the style she uses to fight according to the Wiki
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Also, I want to hear one more thing from people that say that Shichibukai will not be abolished.
If it was going to be so, why would Oda bring it in the story? It's one of the main motivations of one of the Admirals. If it's going to be solved with simple "No", why even bring it up?
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Fujitora is … interesting!! I wonder how much Akainu knew of his intentions ... or even if those intentions were well formed before he came to Dressrosa. If they were there before, and Akainu had some inkling, it could suggest Akainu sent him in particular because he thought this would result.
Looks like we're not going to get anything more that skirmishing outside the Toy House, which is a shame.
I always suspected Violet had been helping the dwarves by concealing their activities from Doflamingo ... it seemed to me he felt too confident that they were not actually up to anything for that to just be his assumption. Rather, he had to have been fed it, and if Violet was basically being honest with him on everything else, why question that one little particular thing ... ? So it's nice to have that confirmed.
Bit disappointed by how this chapter ended. Felt kind of incomplete, ending on just Sabo entering the ring, rather than everyone entering and kind of trash talking each other or something. Still, I hope we'll actually have the finals on centre stage next, and then dart back to what's going on elsewhere ... (or vice versa I guess).
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I think i may need to stop you on your first sentence….. Plot armor and a Plot Device (which is what you are confusing it with) are 2 different things… Plot armor is a characters immunity to a problem (i.e death) because he is the main character and as a main character he cannot die. Also you can in fact guage a characters strenght.... think of it this way
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there is a really strong guy going all out
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that really strong guy can not take a bigger guy
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the bigger guy gets casually one-shotted like a bitch
what does that say about the third guy? you can gauge that he's a tough bastard, and a huge threat (take bart for instance).... Also rebeeca isnt that insanely strong, she's fast... ever heard of Judo? a style not dedicated to using strength but using anothers momentum against them.... how would winning this way be bullshit? that'd be like saying "ahh kenpo is bullshit... you didnt attack, you countered" in similar fashion to that... Its about skill, not raw power. Actually each fighter here displays their own style....
Also you just assumed Diamante has an eagle fruit?
My bad I did confuse plot armor. Diamante doesn't have to have an eagle DF but I believe he has a DF to compliment the ring structure. My problem with the ring is characters can't go all out
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So I gotten it right that probably all of Doflamingo pirates are Devil Fruit users- Senor Pink is one and Machvise is indicated to be another(did he said kilo kilo btw???).. (with Vergo being no different and in Laws flashback he will get revealed as Metal Paramecia DF user- no use to talk with me or hate on me it :p just wait and see people).
I also gotten right that Doflamingo is only step behind Admiral when it comes to fighting skills, strong enough to take one of them on.
Interesting chapter. Oda pointed out with Fujitora towards Luffy possibly doing harm to innocent while he tries to beat Doflamingo- Luffys selfishness in a way is pointed with a finger through Fujitora and I like that. A lot.
Why would Oda reveal Vergo having a DF ability through a flashback?
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But what exactly would WG thrown against all of the marines?
Also, they operate from military bases. They are bound to have some supplies.
And besides, if Akainu went "You know, instead if paying yearly tributes to the world nobles, that will spend them on extravagante life style and slaves, give them to me, so I can fight pirates and protect the world".
Yeah, sooooo many people would side up with universaly hated Tenryuubitto.
Too bad that they still hold the command of the members of WG. They hated it, but their king will say yes.
Also, I want to hear one more thing from people that say that Shichibukai will not be abolished.
If it was going to be so, why would Oda bring it in the story? It's one of the main motivations of one of the Admirals. If it's going to be solved with simple "No", why even bring it up?
I'm not saying that Shichibukai will not be abolished, but why they keep appointed one? even after WB arc?
