Bartolomeo
Why not ceaser? He's a scientist wanting to become the best. I'm sure Dark_Ritual would help you understand.
Bartolomeo
Why not ceaser? He's a scientist wanting to become the best. I'm sure Dark_Ritual would help you understand.
Why not ceaser? He's a scientist wanting to become the best. I'm sure Dark_Ritual would help you understand.
There's no way the crew will ever accept Caesar as their comrade after what he did to brownbeard and those kids. They don't even like him.
There's no way the crew will ever accept Caesar as their comrade after what he did to brownbeard and those kids. They don't even like him.
He didn't kill anyone though. I don't think he will be doing it again. He would be rehabilitated
Out of everyone on Dressrosa Bartolomeo has the most chance. He cares for his friends, he has a dream, which is to join Luffy's ship, he has a silly character quirk like all of the strawhats, Luffy likes him and the crew doesn't have defense, something that Bartolomeo can provide them with. The only thing left is a sad past, something that he could easily have. We don't know how he became the way he is, why everyone hates him so much or why he was a mafia boss. To everyone that says "Barto has his own crew", there's no proof of that. We've only ever seen Gambia, there's no sign of anyone else. Once Gambia got beat up we never saw him again. Bartolomeo's "crew" can also just be a fan club with him and Gambia as the only members. Notice how it's called "Barto club".
On the other hand, its still highly possible Barto wont join. He's infamous for hurting innocent civillance & if Luffy knows, he definitely doesn't want him to join. Unless somehow Luffy changes him since he idolize the crew so much.
On the other hand, its still highly possible Barto wont join. He's infamous for hurting innocent civillance & if Luffy knows, he definitely doesn't want him to join. Unless somehow Luffy changes him since he idolize the crew so much.
Cuz the things the marines are spreading around are true…
And we have seen him "hurting" civilians already... With a fart bomb to troll them and to show us how disgusting they are...
Seriously... I know Bartolomeo has a crew and lacks as sad sob story and so on so far... But seeing him in this chapter and all the chapters before... I love how unique he is in his abilities and his different characters I would seriously love him to join... But it just a dream... Same as it is his dream being with Luffy
Same as I would love to see Koala, a human fishmen karate user, join the crew... But this is rules out as well cuz of Jinbe and her being a revolutionary
Cuz the things the marines are spreading around are true…
And we have seen him "hurting" civilians already... With a fart bomb to troll them and to show us how disgusting they are...
Seriously... I know Bartolomeo has a crew and lacks as sad sob story and so on so far... But seeing him in this chapter and all the chapters before... I love how unique he is in his abilities and his different characters I would seriously love him to join... But it just a dream... Same as it is his dream being with Luffy
Same as I would love to see Koala, a human fishmen karate user, join the crew... But this is rules out as well cuz of Jinbe and her being a revolutionary
I'm not against on him joining but okay, on an impression point of view, I dont think hes suitable… on a fair point, if his idolizing for Luffy is reallly from the heart, hopefully Luffy change him & then he probably have a higher chance to join.
On the other hand, its still highly possible Barto wont join. He's infamous for hurting innocent civillance & if Luffy knows, he definitely doesn't want him to join. Unless somehow Luffy changes him since he idolize the crew so much.
Yeah, it's possible that he won't join, he simply has the best chance since he possesses most of the qualities. There's no proof of him ever harming innocent civilians. In the tournament when everyone thought he was going to hurt the spectators, it turned out to be a harmless trick. All of the strawhats were shown to be outcasts but were actually very nice before joining the crew, like Bartolomeo. Luffy also doesn't care about the past as shown when Aokiji told them what happen to people who've associated with Robin Barto is somewhat cruel, but there's always room for change, it's not in Luffy's character to change anyone though so he won't do that. Look at what Franky did to Usopp.
Barto would be awesome! But i think he's to strong to join.
Yeah, it's possible that he won't join, he simply has the best chance since he possesses most of the qualities. There's no proof of him ever harming innocent civilians. In the tournament when everyone thought he was going to hurt the spectators, it turned out to be a harmless trick. All of the strawhats were shown to be outcasts but were actually very nice before joining the crew, like Bartolomeo. Luffy also doesn't care about the past as shown when Aokiji told them what happen to people who've associated with Robin http://i39.tinypic.com/30x9x7d.jpg Barto is somewhat cruel, but there's always room for change, it's not in Luffy's character to change anyone though so he won't do that. Look at what Franky did to Usopp.
Well yeah true enough …
Barto would be awesome! But i think he's to strong to join.
So Jinbei won't be joining either?
It would be a great if a human fishman karate user joins the crew. But Jinbei is already filling up that role. Unless….:ninja:
It would be a great if a human fishman karate user joins the crew. But Jinbei is already filling up that role. Unless….:ninja:
No, he won't die
But well I agree with you
Koala is not joining since she is a revolutionary.
If she is a substitute teacher then there is someone, Hack in my opinion, who is the master.
Likely Koala is the one Hack was calling with.
Maybe revolutionaries teach fishmen karate because it is effective against devil fruit user even without using haki (like also Rufy, remember Jinbe vs Rufy at FI).
But we know that the best fishmen karate user is Jinbe, who is not revolutionary and promised Luffy to join later.
Now that Koala is in the scene with Hack, and above all there is BM's crew, I think Jinbe could appear to help the group of the Sunny, who better than him?
And maybe Sun Pirates could follow Koala, which they know very well, letting Jinbe free to join strawhats as promised.
Do you think he will appear soon?
@Jinbe#10:
Koala is not joining since she is a revolutionary.
Do you think he will appear soon?
Well I think its possible for her to leave the revolutionary. Its not entirely impossible. Franky and Jinbei were already part of a group but they still are willing to leave them if it serves a better cause.
I expected Koala to make her reappearance in the Big Mom arc but she came early. Well, Big Mom appeared in this arc so technically it is part of Big Mom arc. Therefore I think Jinbei and the Sun Pirates will be making their appearance soon but will not be involved in this current arc same goes for Big Mom. They will probably be held back in some way. The chaos of Big Mom joining the fray with the upcoming revolution will be too much. Well if anyone could pull it off Oda can.
Well I think its possible for her to leave the revolutionary. Its not entirely impossible. Franky and Jinbei were already part of a group but they still are willing to leave them if it serves a better cause.
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It is true but be a revolutionary is a choice really different than being a pirate.
I see Koala as ally now and in the future and it is ok.
I think the point Jinbe10 is making is that Koala, like Sabo most likely have their own responsibilities under Dragon.
That's who they follow.
You know the finality in those relationships, like Ace with Whitebeard.
The difference with Jinbe and Franky is that they were their own Boss, they had no one to fight for.
Good to see that this thread didn't devolve into something ugly with the latest chapter.
There's hope for AP.
Good to see that this thread didn't devolve into something ugly with the latest chapter.
There's hope for AP.
Just give it time.
With another parallel being made between Alabasta and Dressorsa with Sabo's appearance mirroring Ace's…
I get to continue hoping for a Diamante - Robin parallel....even thought it'll never happen.
It's my equivalent to Bellamy's hopes to be a Donquixote officer.
I think the point Jinbe10 is making is that Koala, like Sabo most likely have their own responsibilities under Dragon.
That's who they follow.
You know the finality in those relationships, like Ace with Whitebeard.
The difference with Jinbe and Franky is that they were their own Boss, they had no one to fight for.
By this Barto having a crew is a non issue… or will we use double standards?
I give this thread another check clock day or so before the crazy theories pop up again.
By this Barto having a crew is a non issue… or will we use double standards?
Barto has his own crew in a different way than Franky and Jinbe.
The first was leader of a family and when he got wanted, he left Water 7.
The second was captain of a pirate crew but then shichibukai and we don't know what his crew have done in that time.
Personally I don't see Barto joining but it would be nice :)
By this Barto having a crew is a non issue… or will we use double standards?
I'm not using a crew as an excuse, haven't we seen Franky leave behind a gang before?
Jinbe is currently more or less still the Captain of the Suns.
But the difference is we know both of them are/were content with leaving their groups behind, and likewise for the respective group members.
That question still stands for Barto, we know his dream is to follow Luffy, but there are many forms of following someone in One Piece.
I'm not using a crew as an excuse, haven't we seen Franky leave behind a gang before?
Jinbe is currently more or less still the Captain of the Suns.
But the difference is we know both of them are/were content with leaving their groups behind, and likewise for the respective group members.
That question still stands for Barto, we know his dream is to follow Luffy, but there are many forms of following someone in One Piece.
A hardcore fan like him for sure wants it… That's why he is even there
If being the captain of a crew prevents Bartolomeo from joining, it would prevent Jinbe as well.
Truth is fans keep making up rules about joining, like this one about "another captain can't join", but that doesn't make sense. If Oda wants a character to join, it doesn't matter if the said character is a captain, a princess, the king of a country… it doesn't matter what kind of responsibility the said character has, because Oda is the writer and he can simply create an excuse that would allow the character to ditch his previous role if he wants so (just like he did with Franky).
I said it once before: In defense to Bart, his crew is probably aware of his dream, so they would not stop him from doing (not saying he is going to join) from joining his idol.
Lemme just say,if Bart is joining, this is one of the most sideways attempts at recruiting a Nakama ever on Oda's part, not only is Barto already fascinated with Luffy , but the entire crew as well. Just seems too obvious for Oda, if not random.
It's like "Oh here's Bartolomeo, he's a SH fanboy I'm adding to the crew, deal with it." Not suggesting his character isn't admirable, He just seems too irrelevant to the overall overarching story of this arc or saga to be the Next Nakama. He literally came out of nowhere. (this could all change ofc)
I say that, then I remember crew members like Brook, who literally popped up outta nowhere , but at the same time we always knew Luffy wanted that musician.
That said, this is Oda, we know he doesn't do stuff without a reason, it all factors into the game as we're now seeing with Koala and Sabo.
How will Barto effect the grand scheme of things? It could just be to add on to the crew's ever growing network of SH allies.
@.access:
If being the captain of a crew prevents Bartolomeo from joining, it would prevent Jinbe as well.
Truth is fans keep making up rules about joining, like this one about "another captain can't join", but that doesn't make sense. If Oda wants a character to join, it doesn't matter if the said character is a captain, a princess, the king of a country… it doesn't matter what kind of responsibility the said character has, because Oda is the writer and he can simply create an excuse that would allow the character to ditch his previous role if he wants so (just like he did with Franky).
To be fair though, royalty has a very real track record for not joining the crew, even when they do receive the development.
Yeah, the majority opinion is always right! Remember when Kuzan became Fleet Admiral instead of Sakazuki??
You don't get it fool. The argument is not that he will join but he is a nakama worthy.
@.access:
If being the captain of a crew prevents Bartolomeo from joining, it would prevent Jinbe as well.
Except that Jinbe actually stated his intentions on joining the SHs. So I don't think he made that statement forgetting he was a Captain.
The rant against "fans" is really lolicious too, since we can see it going both ways.
Except that Jinbe actually stated his intentions on joining the SHs. So I don't think he made that statement forgetting he was a Captain.
The rant against "fans" is really lolicious too, since we can see it going both ways.
And Bart flat out said he wants to be with Luffy and Co
Ah I've wondered when Barto said his dream is to be a follower of Luffy's, is it possible that he meant he wanted his crew to be allied to Luffy, instead of actually joining the crew.
I mean there were 42 crews form the New World that were allied -and as loyal as his own crew- to Whitebeard, and some called them followers of Whitebeard.
… yeah chances are that Barto meant he wanted to join the crew, but I really want Luffy to get a following of other crews.
Think about it, he did say he would one day surpass Shanks. IMO Becoming Pirate King isn't all there is to surpassing a yonkou. After all its the captain that reaches Raftel that gets to be called Pirate King, the one piece treasure is a bonus after all it wasn't there when Roger became Pirate king (after all it was his treasure) :ninja:
Ah I've wondered when Barto said his dream is to be a follower of Luffy's, is it possible that he meant he wanted his crew to be allied to Luffy, instead of actually joining the crew.
I mean there were 42 crews form the New World that were allied -and as loyal as his own crew- to Whitebeard, and some called them followers of Whitebeard.… yeah chances are that Barto meant he wanted to join the crew, but I really want Luffy to get a following of other crews.
Think about it, he did say he would one day surpass Shanks. IMO Becoming Pirate King isn't all there is to surpassing a yonkou. After all its the captain that reaches Raftel that gets to be called Pirate King, the one piece treasure is a bonus after all it wasn't there when Roger became Pirate king (after all it was his treasure) :ninja:
Luffy sees pirate king as one having the most freedom. So for Luffy to archieve that finding one piece alone won't help him, he has to make it clear to the world that he is the man on top of this era and that he has the power to back it up. So even defeated yonko or not or admirals won't have the guts to attack him when they see him.
I hope i'm wrong. But i don't see how we get back to back crew members one being on luffy's level the other at least stronger then Sanji. I really like Barto but with Jimbei joining soon i can't see it happening.
I hope i'm wrong. But i don't see how we get back to back crew members one being on luffy's level the other at least stronger then Sanji. I really like Barto but with Jimbei joining soon i can't see it happening.
That's my feeling, on top of the complete lack of backstory for Barto and no higher goal than to just be around Luffy, he is too much of a defensive powerhouse.
I like Barto and think he could end up being the first subordinate captain to Luffy, but he doesn't fit as a Strawhat at this juncture.
Except that Jinbe actually stated his intentions on joining the SHs. So I don't think he made that statement forgetting he was a Captain.
Was I too subtle in what I meant?
I don't know if this has been said about Barto but his dream of being in Luffy's crew pretty much makes his chances nil. His dream would come true as soon as he joined the Strawhats making him the only person who's dream already came true while everyone else would still be working on theirs. Barto would have to modify his dream to being on the Pirate King's crew via his dream doesn't come true until Luffy is officially Pirate King…but then he would be sharing somewhat Luffy's dream which is...lame. I'm sure every Strawhat wants Luffy to become Pirate King so...yeah...Barto needs a bigger dream. My 2 pennies.
A character needs to have some connection with the main antagonist of the arc for them to be considered. Only ones that i could think of so far are rebecca, violet, bellamy, ceasar, as they have something to do with DD. Although right now I don't think any of them will be joining.
Why do people think Jinbe will be joining soon? Its literally been like 2 days since they left Fishman Island, more importantly they aren't that much different in strength as they were then. The biggest problem with Jinbe joining then (and now) is that he's too strong. I really don't see it happening until the monster trio is stronger than Jinbe.
Jimbei isn't joining until the arc when they fight and beat Big mom, which shouldn't be soon. By then the m3 should be at top yonkou commander level which is a good noticeable gap between them and jimbei. Right now he could still possibly be stronger than Luffy. I would say he joins in at least a month one piece time.
Big Mom doesn't need to be beaten for Jinbe to join.
Jinbe just needs to find a better place for his subordinates.
Jinbe isn't joining until FI is safely under Luffy's flag instead of Big mom's. That will only happen once big mom loses. It is basically his arc to join.
FI goes under the Revolutionaries protection in secret while flying Luffy's flag. Boom.
Look , I doubt Koala, Hack, Pekoms and Tamago were brought into play this early without Jinbe in mind.
When you consider Jinbe was present when Luffy had a reflection on his past with Ace and Sabo, then it all kinda comes full circle.
Woah this place looks….....different. Any way yeah, Jinbe is gonna be coming back soon, however I still don't see him joining. Also I still think unlike the rest of the crew his time has come and went, he's part of that older generation of pirates who have made legends of themselves and all that. The main characters including Brook haven't really reached their full potential yet.
Here we go with this shit…
Big Mom doesn't need to be beaten for Jinbe to join.
Jinbe just needs to find a better place for his subordinates.
Totally agree.
Jinbe said that "he will come to meet strawhats" which means that he will reach them and not the contrary.
Then at FI he fought with Sanji against Wadatsumi, like Oda would tell us "they are about the same level, they can stay together".
Monster trio wouldn't be spoiled by him, since also Nico Robin has higher reward than Sanji.
So I actually don't think the problem is his strenght, he said he will join, the problem is the destiny of Sun Pirates.
Koala could be a solution.
@Jinbe#10:
Then at FI he fought with Sanji against Wadatsumi, like Oda would tell us "they are about the same level, they can stay together".
More like Oda telling us "look, the guy who just demanded that [Jinbe should cut his belly open](http://www.onepiecebay.net/manga/mangas/One Piece/627 - You Have My Gratitude/12.jpg) now joins him in a fight against the enemy"
Oda needed to pave the way to the panel with the Straw Hats welcoming him to the crew, so something needed to happen between Jinbe & Sanji. Something personal. Mind that Sanji didn't even forgive Jinbe despite knowing that he saved Luffy during the war, not even after the touching flashback that explained everything. Working together towards a common goal was needed, something that shows that he got over it.
And the moment Sanji said "Lets do this, Jinbe" it was clear that he didn't have any issues anymore.
This alone tells me that Jinbe joining the Straw Hats is set in stone, else there would be no need for Oda to build up Jinbe as someone everybody approves of. He is a powerhouse and that needs to be handled well, but after this arc it shows that it really doesn't mean much. We reached a point where even a former Warlord woudn't turn the crew into a overpowered abomination, considering the mess that is Dressrosa.
But apart from mercyless deadhorse beating, I'm surprised that there isn't much Bartolomeo talk. I don't think he is material, but I expected a Bartostorm after the last chapter.
I really don't like the idea of Bart joining. He will be the annoying fanboy and worships Luffy too much to be part of the same crew. Besides he is already a captain which will make him more likely to be allies with the Strawhats. He will be like Duval. This arc shows that Luffy will gain a lot of them thanks to the people introduced in the colosseum. I feel that if anyone were to join the crew at this stage of the game it needs to be a free agent who is not affiliated strongly to any group like Kinemon or even Rebecca. But she will probably be the Vivi of Dressrosa.
Barto is all gimmick right now. He needs the development of a Nakama, not just the personality.
I desperately want Bart to join, but his words in the last chapter about him dreaming of becoming Luffy's underling made it obvious that he will be just an ally(( Why, Oda, why???:sad:
I think what goes against Bartolomeo is that his whole crew probably loves Luffy as much as he does. So I think we'll see the whole crew "joining" as subordinates instead of Bartolomeo joining as part of the SH.
@Jinbe#10:
Then at FI he fought with Sanji against Wadatsumi, like Oda would tell us "they are about the same level, they can stay together".
Monster trio wouldn't be spoiled by him, since also Nico Robin has higher reward than Sanji.
How he being equal to Sanji will not spoil the Trio? It wouldn't be spoiled only if he was weaker than them. If he is as strong as they are, it will ruin the Trio just as it would if he was stronger than them.
I think Luffy will need people to defend his territories like fishman island in the future. Someone with the barrier fruit would be perfect for defending those territoriess .