Toriko Chapter 254 (Chinese Scan) : http://www.ishuhui.com/archives/396
Toriko II: Ichiryuu's Slimy Insides!!
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! Looks like CENTER has become maximum priority now.
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! No one can beat Midora, it's impossible. Hunger Space, Minority World and Mimicry Cry? It's overkill.
! Overkill and boring. Hell at this point, why doesn't Midora just come down and kill everything in his way? He's overpowered enough to do it.
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! No one can beat Midora, it's impossible. Hunger Space, Minority World and Mimicry Cry? It's overkill.
You underestimate the power of the strongest ability in any and all universes: Main Character Plot Armor. Toriko is untouchable and unkillable, and will eventually be the strongest living thing in the Toriko universe.
Toriko will Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann his ass at some point. hashtag #TengenToppaGurrenLagann. lol
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! Latest chapter has me thinking that there's some connection between the following:
! Being born with gourmet cells
! Nitro
! Copying techniques
! Don't forget that the Nitro in the Gourmet Pyramid arc copied a lesser version of Toriko's nail punch after seeing it once. Curious how all of this ends up getting connected in the end. -
! Whenever I read chapters like this I'm always reminded how unforgiving age is.
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! Kinda weird how Ichiryu didn't show his inner demon. The explanation for Midora acting the way he does was sorta hinted at by Sani's and Toriko's demons when they spoke briefly. Midora has literally been taken over by his inner demon's hunger.
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Kind of cool how Toriko verse had a Four Emperors type thing going, you know Ichiryu, Midora, Jirou, and Joa
except Jirou was kind of that odd one out that didn't have a huge organization
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ah this manga was so promising in the begining, the last arc was full of bullshit, i'm dropping this crap fest.
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Kind of cool how Toriko verse had a Four Emperors type thing going, you know Ichiryu, Midora, Jirou, and Joa
except Jirou was kind of that odd one out that didn't have a huge organization
No he's the NEO chef, and he has some Neo Nitro followers.
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What a sad(and manly) chapter. It really pulled on my heart strings….
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That was an expected outcome.
I am more interested how the next chapters play out. There are just so many sub-plots to take care of. -
wow, that was certainly not the White beard, Netero, Third hokage, epic strongest old man death scene I expected it would be
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wow, that was certainly not the White beard, Netero, Third hokage, epic strongest old man death scene I expected it would be
yeah, that's a shame.
and even as a "final villain?", Midora doesn't really feel like one. him crying was my favorite thing in this chapter though.. not the meteor spice roar/cry..but at least now the story can move forward..
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I like the way Igo died. Him being too old to draw out his full power and Midora crying are the two things that made me like the chapter.
On a side note: If Midora only wanted a family why the fuck has become like that while he still had his two brother by his side?
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Up until now I've been certain that both of them would die somehow, since we got Midora's flashback. Seeing Ichi die from Midora's point of view (kinda) was very unusual but great nonetheless! It certainly wasn't like the other "epic old man dies" cliche scenes.
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I like the way Igo died. Him being too old to draw out his full power and Midora crying are the two things that made me like the chapter.
On a side note: If Midora only wanted a family why the fuck has become like that while he still had his two brother by his side?
I think the whole point was that he couldn't get over his hunger in the end, he had to eat to forget about Frohze, no? Ichi even offered to share God with him, but he declined.
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ah this manga was so promising in the begining, the last arc was full of bullshit, i'm dropping this crap fest.
Stop getting cocky. This arc is amazing.
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Ichiryuu, why ; (
Having said so, lets see the aftermath of the meteorspice and where yhe hell coco is lol.
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I like the way Igo died. Him being too old to draw out his full power and Midora crying are the two things that made me like the chapter.
On a side note: If Midora only wanted a family why the fuck has become like that while he still had his two brother by his side?
Did you not pay attention during the flashback?
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End of the chapter:
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Hmm I see Ichiyuu using Zebra's line.
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I think the whole point was that he couldn't get over his hunger in the end, he had to eat to forget about Frohze, no? Ichi even offered to share God with him, but he declined.
What made him stray away from his mission and his brothers was his hatred for the common men who he considered undeserving of Frohze's efforts (like I talked about in my previous post regarding the last chapter). His sadness over losing Frohze (and how he lost her), and over losing his family at the same time because of his hatred and anger, are what made him lose himself to his hunger, since he only feels better when he eats.
All this combined, his hatred for other people, his anger, his overwhelming sadness that makes food the only thing worthwhile and, consequently, his will to have all the food in the world to himself, are what made him who is today.
As for the question, "if Midora only wanted a family why the fuck has become like that while he still had his two brother by his side?", its true that he wants a family, but the person he loved best was Frohze, and his hatred towards other people, his anger and his hunger are simply stronger than the love he stills has for his brothers. He's a person lost in anger, hate and sadness who has driven himself into an eating compulsion, not really caring about anything else and willing to destroy everything and everyone that gets in his way.
As for the way Ichiryu died, the point was to show just how outclassed he had become compared to Midora. Even his strongest attack was inconsequential. His only chance to win was via Minority World but once Midora learned how to control his minority particles, it was all over. So the point was to hype Midora up, which it did. I would have liked to see his inner demon at least, but I liked how it played out. Whoever beats Midora will have to be much stronger than Ichiryu was at this point which opens the road for the main characters to surpass their teacher by a long margin.
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Midora's devil looks like a Nitro.
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This chapter well…..is sad cause, well, Ichiryuu.
Thanks go to kewl as always :D
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I see, the shirt midora's wearing is an homage to Frohze. Dat cleavage.
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Did you not pay attention during the flashback?
He lost Frozhe and turned into hungry boy. But we learn that what he wanted was a family. Why turned against them if it's what he wanted?
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What made him stray away from his mission and his brothers was his hatred for the common men who he considered undeserving of Frohze's efforts (like I talked about in my previous post regarding the last chapter). His sadness over losing Frohze (and how he lost her), and over losing his family at the same time because of his hatred and anger, are what made him lose himself to his hunger, since he only feels better when he eats.
All this combined, his hatred for other people, his anger, his overwhelming sadness that makes food the only thing worthwhile and, consequently, his will to have all the food in the world to himself, are what made him who is today.
As for the question, "if Midora only wanted a family why the fuck has become like that while he still had his two brother by his side?", its true that he wants a family, but the person he loved best was Frohze, and his hatred towards other people, his anger and his hunger are simply stronger than the love he stills has for his brothers. He's a person lost in anger, hate and sadness who has driven himself into an eating compulsion, not really caring about anything else and willing to destroy everything and everyone that gets in his way.
As for the way Ichiryu died, the point was to show just how outclassed he had become compared to Midora. Even his strongest attack was inconsequential. His only chance to win was via Minority World but once Midora learned how to control his minority particles, it was all over. So the point was to hype Midora up, which it did. I would have liked to see his inner demon at least, but I liked how it played out. Whoever beats Midora will have to be much stronger than Ichiryu was at this point which opens the road for the main characters to surpass their teacher by a long margin.
I like this explanation.
For I go he seemed by quite a mile seeing how Midora comment on his power having been reduce to only that level.
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About Midora: he wants to lessen the pain of his own idiotic actions by killing the other people Frohze cared for and fucking the whole world.
There is a certain cyberman clip that would go well with this post.
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So, in other words, Midora destroyed the human world because he got sad cause he killed Ryu.
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@KageKageKing More or less
Like I mentioned last week, I very much prefer this explanation over "revenge" as to why Midora acts the way he does. Emotional eating totally fits within the Toriko universe. It's just weird because I get why Midora might be trying to rationalize it into becoming evil, but I don't get why the narrator is also psuedo-explaining Midora's backstory as him just being a purely bad guy even before Frohze died (looking for the full course in the "darkness" etc).
Two things still kinda bother me though. I know that Midora's cells are more likely just attuned to be able to copy abilities instead of emotions, but Mirror Neurons were pretty explicit about being able to empathize with other people in the chapter. You would think if Midora's skills were highly revolved around these neurons than he would have been able to both empathize and learn the lessons of sharing by being around his family for 10+ years.
The other bit was that if this really was Ichiryuu's final moments (and it's starting to look like it was), then his final attack should've been a full two-page spread instead of a single panel on the bottom right. That's major points lost right there for not giving a sense of wonder of going all out.
But it looks like the fight is over (the flashback definitely helped give more emotional impact, but I still wished that we didn't know the results before we knew the match was even going on). I was on the side of not needing to see the other fights, but hopefully at the very least we can pan through and see the results instead of it being told via monologue or just left hanging and told later on in the story. And we'll finally be able to see what exactly how much destruction Meteor Spice will bring down to the world.
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Kinda like Marineford in One Piece it seems apparent no one else will die in this major clash aside from the most important person whose death will bring chaos upon the world. Which is good for setting up some interesting future matches. I'm pretty sure Buranchi is fated to meet Dores anyway.
I also liked that Mitsutoshi explained Midora's camouflage ability that he already performed once and maybe two times. Blending with the surroundings is quite a feat, if you ask me. Come to think of it, between this camouflage function and his large tongue Midora looks more a chameleon than a tiger.
Two things still kinda bother me though. I know that Midora's cells are more likely just attuned to be able to copy abilities instead of emotions, but Mirror Neurons were pretty explicit about being able to empathize with other people in the chapter. You would think if Midora's skills were highly revolved around these neurons than he would have been able to both empathize and learn the lessons of sharing by being around his family for 10+ years.
Well, he learned them, kinda, as shown in the last pages. But deep down Midora always had a fiendish devil inside him, and 500 years is a lot of time, who knows what he must have went through.
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So, in other words, Midora destroyed the human world because he got sad cause he killed Ryu.
He attacked them because he thinks they are all a bunch of jerks and assholes, hardly worth the air they breathe. That's why he could never understand why Frohze went to so much trouble for them. He doesn't care about any of them. The only person he ever cared about was Frohze and, to a lesser extent, Acacia. He also liked his brothers but way less. Which is why, now that he is consummed by his eating compulsion, that he doesn't care how any of them die or who stands in his way.
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So… Midora is a better written, and much much MUCH stronger Obito? :ninja:
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@The:
So… Midora is a better written, and much much MUCH stronger Obito? :ninja:
Dammit, I shouldn't have laughed. lol
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@The:
So… Midora is a better written, and much much MUCH stronger Obito? :ninja:
Dude, can you explain me this obsession with comparing Midora with faggot Obito? Because I don't get it, it's not like there aren't many villians out there than went through similar situations.
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@The:
So… Midora is a better written, and much much MUCH stronger Obito? :ninja:
Villains who are villains because they lived in "hell" and think that humanity is crap and eventually lose themselves are fairly common.
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So, my apologies about Midora "teportation" power. No, I was wrong, that was camouflage.
I liked how this fight ends and I agree with rereboy's explanation. And the other thing about Midora's mimicry Gourmet Cells and the Nitro which was able to imitate Toriko's kugi punch after seeing it once.
Something else about Midora: could he have used Hungry Tounge or Hunger Space for "stealing" the Century Soup from Alfaro in Chapter 101?And another thing…what if Midora instead spared Ichiryuu's life?
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And another thing…what if Midora instead spared Ichiryuu's life?
Pretty doubtful but like i said before i don't trust those "important side character lying on the ground got punched by his foe that's also his familly without us seeing the actual punch"
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I'd like to see that.
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Pretty doubtful but like i said before i don't trust those "important side character lying on the ground got punched by his foe that's also his familly without us seeing the actual punch"
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I'd like to see that.
Holy shit, dude, this is exactly the battle I had in mind while I was reading the chapter.
Something else about Midora: could he have used Hungry Tounge or Hunger Space for "stealing" the Century Soup from Alfaro in Chapter 101?
Definitely. The real speed of his tongue is just insane.
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@The:
So… Midora is a better written, and much much MUCH stronger Obito? :ninja:
He's more of a Bizarro Chopper
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Well wasn't that entertaining knowing the end result all along.
Actually, despite that, Midora's fight and flashback was something I would have liked Shimabu to do more long ago back when I had any expectations for Toriko. And that Fist of the North Star reference! The three brothers relationship felt a bit human, and it was interesting to see it fall apart this way. Although I doubt Midora will bounce of the Toriko's generation as well as he did off Ichiryu's, a view into Midora's psych definitely made him a more interesting character (not to mention the great tongue skill that goes really well as counter to his archetype).
This is what Toriko's relationship with Starjun is lacking to become at least barely dynamic and dramatic.
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I see, the shirt midora's wearing is an homage to Frohze. Dat cleavage.
Why didn't I catch this myself.
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@The:
So… Midora is a better written, and much much MUCH stronger Obito? :ninja:
they are both poorly written
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^ You better be kidding. Midora's actions are justified and, while twisted, he has his own good reasons to do things that way. Obito I won't even talk about it, it's already insulting enough read someone make such a stupid comparison when you have better examples to compare Midora to.
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I just got to the Melk Knife Arc… Really awesome series! I'm a little disappointed I didn't pick it up earlier.
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Pretty doubtful but like i said before i don't trust those "important side character lying on the ground got punched by his foe that's also his familly without us seeing the actual punch"
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I'd like to see that.
Wow, that's exactly what I thought of when I finished this chapter XD
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It's kinda something I just realized. But Midora has an actual eating disorder. Binge eating to feel better to the nth degree.
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Things still kinda bother me though. I know that Midora's cells are more likely just attuned to be able to copy abilities instead of emotions, but Mirror Neurons were pretty explicit about being able to empathize with other people in the chapter. You would think if Midora's skills were highly revolved around these neurons than he would have been able to both empathize and learn the lessons of sharing by being around his family for 10+ years.
The other bit was that if this really was Ichiryuu's final moments (and it's starting to look like it was), then his final attack should've been a full two-page spread instead of a single panel on the bottom right. That's major points lost right there for not giving a sense of wonder of going all out.
Since we don't know the (not that there is) mechanics of Gourmet Cells it is surely possible that they don't merely activate themselves to copy everything that is. And traumas change the meaning of things. Midora's windows to kindness and sharing opened with Frohze giving her hand. Although he had built other bridges (Acacia and his brothers) losing Frohze for the same reasons what made him suffer in the begining and losing his other guide, soul-father, he 'fell in the darkness'. It is very plausible indeed. So once again he started to see the world from his traumatic windows where there is no kindness only act of living through eating. This explanation make him seem like a mechanical person rather than a character but Shima made him cry over killing his brother thus making his character and organic.
About Ichiryuu's final attack… Age is truly a sad thing. Other than Frohze and Jirou, that attack could have been probably OH-Death everyone so far we know in the series but still was weak compared to what should it been. Second thing is for a long time Bleach and Toriko has paralells in my eyes at the point that both series try to tell stories as well as emotions through portrayal of their characters and interactions. I think this is what Bleachtards is calling by art, and although Bleach fails at evert aspect of it, Toriko excels on them.
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@Myu:
Since we don't know the (not that there is) mechanics of Gourmet Cells it is surely possible that they don't merely activate themselves to copy everything that is. And traumas change the meaning of things. Midora's windows to kindness and sharing opened with Frohze giving her hand. Although he had built other bridges (Acacia and his brothers) losing Frohze for the same reasons what made him suffer in the begining and losing his other guide, soul-father, he 'fell in the darkness'. It is very plausible indeed. So once again he started to see the world from his traumatic windows where there is no kindness only act of living through eating. This explanation make him seem like a mechanical person rather than a character but Shima made him cry over killing his brother thus making his character and organic.
The issue with that is that Midora seemed to be unable to understand why Frohze shared with the ungrateful people of the world at all before her death, and Midora's "descent" started during the Eclipse, it just fully consumed him after she died but the not being able to understand why sharing is good bothers me, not just because of that, but because the only reason he was taken in and could have transformed was because Frohze was kind enough to take him in and share her food. You would think that lesson wouldn't be that difficult to understand.
But I get the necessity of not having that lesson learned so Midora can be a villain, and like I said I'm fine with Binge Eating being the "true" reason behind the selfishness/neverending consumption.
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The issue with that is that Midora seemed to be unable to understand why Frohze shared with the ungrateful people of the world at all before her death, and Midora's "descent" started during the Eclipse, it just fully consumed him after she died but the not being able to understand why sharing is good bothers me, not just because of that, but because the only reason he was taken in and could have transformed was because Frohze was kind enough to take him in and share her food. You would think that lesson wouldn't be that difficult to understand.
But I get the necessity of not having that lesson learned so Midora can be a villain, and like I said I'm fine with Binge Eating being the "true" reason behind the selfishness/neverending consumption.
People think differently. All that Midora saw was ungrateful people who didn't appreciate Frohze efforts enough. We see exactly that in the flashback. And before meeting Frohze, he had spent his whole life knowing that people are cruel since he had to fight for every scrap of food. From Midora's point of view humanity is a lost cause and not even people like Frohze and their efforts is going to change that in the end. The fact that someone like Frohze had to go to such extremes to stop the war when, after all, all that was stopping mankind from having peace was their will, from his perspective, just reinforces his opinion. Another person would reach a different conclusion from all of this, of course, but Midora has an unique perspective born out of the circunstances of his life, so that's the conclusion that he is able to reach.
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People think differently. All that Midora saw was ungrateful people who didn't appreciate Frohze efforts enough. We see exactly that in the flashback. And before meeting Frohze, he had spent his whole life knowing that people are cruel since he had to fight for every scrap of food. From Midora's point of view humanity is a lost cause and not even people like Frohze and their efforts is going to change that in the end. The fact that someone like Frohze had to go to such extremes to stop the war when, after all, all that was stopping mankind from having peace was their will, from his perspective, just reinforces his opinion. Another person would reach a different conclusion from all of this, of course, but Midora has an unique perspective born out of the circunstances of his life, so that's the conclusion that he is able to reach.
One incident of some kid being ungrateful doesn't seem to equate to what had to be most of the people being eternally grateful they had food in their mouths and acting like the kids did when Toriko and co. delivered food to the world. Not to mention his own experience of being saved by Frohze should just teach him why it should be worth trying to save humanity since he found a family and a mother's love. I can buy that Midora didn't learn that lesson, but if his motivations stem primarily from what you describe then for me personally that just makes him not very sympathetic. If what you're saying is true, then Midora would have become evil even if Frohze didn't die, and her death was very much the catalyst for this all.