Wow them's some interesting rules. Everyone should make sure to read them. Obvious course of action is to lynch someone suspicious and someone non-suspicious and bring back the non-suspicious one. Lynching a good townie would also protect them from a mafia kill. Am I missing anything here?
Problem is the good Townie becomes useless if confined. They can't participate so the Mafia won't need to worry about them.
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I think that I get the jist of this game. It seems pretty exciting.
But they will learn the alignment of whoever we confine with them. Almost like a cop, but really long to do, so it probably wouldn't be best to aim for this since they game should be short.
For this game, no lynching won't work.
I would like Red Hawk AND ONLY RED HAWK to answer a question for me: When you got your role PM today, was your game name in bold?
NNID: jervinnectar
Problem is the good Townie becomes useless if confined. They can't participate so the Mafia won't need to worry about them.
Only for a day. I wasn't suggesting doing it for strategic purposes other than a case where we really wanted someone to survive. The obvious reason to have someone non-suspicious lynched is to bring them back and clear or incriminate the other person.
But thinking about it more, is this even necessary? All we really need to do is cycle out people methodically. 2 people in box -> bring out person A, ask them about B -> bring out person B, ask them about A. If both claim the other is town, we are good. One claiming town and the other claiming scum (on each other) is a situation that guarantees one of them is scum. Same goes for two people accusing each other of being scum. When we reach this point, we simply put one of them back in confinement, and see what the next person says about them. This is the only way to get solid information; the problem is, it takes too long. By that time enough nights will have passed to have a small town pool. But, the quicker we can either get confirmed townies (and focus on boxing the remaining people) or confirm at least one scum (and try to lock away their buddy), the better.
Note: I am not saying we should not scum hunt. This is just the correct strategy to follow in addition to that.
Only for a day. I wasn't suggesting doing it for strategic purposes other than a case where we really wanted someone to survive. The obvious reason to have someone non-suspicious lynched is to bring them back and clear or incriminate the other person.
But thinking about it more, is this even necessary? All we really need to do is cycle out people methodically. 2 people in box -> bring out person A, ask them about B -> bring out person B, ask them about A. If both claim the other is town, we are good. One claiming town and the other claiming scum (on each other) is a situation that guarantees one of them is scum. Same goes for two people accusing each other of being scum. When we reach this point, we simply put one of them back in confinement, and see what the next person says about them. This is the only way to get solid information; the problem is, it takes too long. By that time enough nights will have passed to have a small town pool. But, the quicker we can either get confirmed townies (and focus on boxing the remaining people) or confirm at least one scum (and try to lock away their buddy), the better.
Note: I am not saying we should not scum hunt. This is just the correct strategy to follow in addition to that.
I don't agree with lynching a non-suspicious person unless to avoid a No-Lynch. We don't have time for that.
Bogart, if one Mafioso is confined does that Mafioso count in the Mafia's win condition? I mean unless both members of the Mafia are confined will it always count as two against the Town?
NNID: jervinnectar
Wow. This is interesting.
I guess I'm the first to say that I'm a little confused. If we confine two people and then release A, does B automatically get lynched? Like a trigger see-saw kind of thing. And is there a limit to how long we can keep two people in confinement for, e.g. one day? Or can we keep them in overnight?
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I don't agree with lynching a non-suspicious person unless to avoid a No-Lynch. We don't have time for that.
Bogart, if one Mafioso is confined does that Mafioso count in the Mafia's win condition? I mean unless both members of the Mafia are confined will it always count as two against the Town?
"Town must trap both Mafia in confinement to win."
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Uh ignore my see-saw question. It just sank in that nobody dies at all through voting :P
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Vote Count: With nine alive it takes five to lynch.
Not Voting: Foolio, Red Hawk, Mrs. Iceburg, Nectar, Galaxy 9000, Wooden Giraffe, Shuhan, Harvady Alumnus, trappedolphin Game Rules (with forgotten bits added)
! Nine Players: seven town and two mafia.
Town votes to lynch every day (can no lynch, can fail to lynch). 60 hour day phases with a 72 hour day phase for Day One.
Mafia kills every night. 24 hour nights. May speak in private quicktopic, but is discouraged to do so during Day Phase.
! Win Condtions Town must trap both Mafia in confinement to win.
Mafia must equal or exceed Townies to win.
! 1. When a lynch is achieved, the lynchee is not killed. They are "confined". Confinement has room only for two players. They may no longer speak in-game. These people are removed from the game as if killed; a mafioso that is confined does not count as part of the Town's mafia majority.
2. When two people are confined together, their alignments are revealed only to each other. They may also speak with each other.
3. When two people are confined, Town must free one, or return a confined player to the game, in order to lynch another.
4. During any day it becomes necessary, two votes will be held: the normal lynch vote, and a special "release" vote (see rule five).
5. A release vote is a vote current players must conduct to select one of the confined players. Rules for voting are the same for lynch voting, Vote Free: PlayerName, Unvote, etc.
6. Whichever confined player has the most votes upon (and ONLY upon) a successful lynching is taken from confinement and replaced with the lynched player that day. In the event of a tie, the first wagon that reached the contested number wins.
7. A Released Player has been toughened up after their release! They are protected from kills for the night phase directly following their release.
Ahhh. I understand this better now. Thanks Bogie.
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Point 7 could make for a very interesting strategy.
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The day is moving by, and I am sure that we will find a suitable person to confine. Until then, I'll throw out some questions:
Foolio, when do you expect the wagons to begin?
Red Hawk, are you relieved that the D1 lynchee isn't completely out of the game?
Mrs. Iceburg, how badly will the lack of flips on lynch targets cause you to second guess the wagon?loaded question
Nectar, are you concerned with the idea of parolees?
Galaxy 9000, if town reaches D3, do you think it's a given that the first-in will be first out?
Wooden Giraffe, how confident will today's wagon be?
Shuhan, does the D1 lynch not hold enough water for permanent captivity?
Harvady Alumnus, why are you number eight when you were the latest participant?
trappedolphin, given that there are seven town and two mafia, is lynching innocents a viable strategy?
@Harvy:
trappedolphin, given that there are seven town and two mafia, is lynching innocents a viable strategy?
This post was insane to edit in the reply box, for some reason. Anyway, to answer your question, let's start with some math!
Assuming we lynch terribly every day,
Day 1: 7 townies, 2 mafia. Lynch a townie > 6 townies, 2 mafia. Since there doesn't seem to be anything around that can stop a night kill,
Day 2: 5 townies, 2 mafia. Lynch a townie> 4 townies, 2 mafia. Another night kill leaves us with 3 townies for the third day. And a 3:2 ratio has always been super risky imo because one wrong move will allow the mafia to rush a lynch.
So that's it in its most basic form. But we can release innocents back into the game, which changes things up a bit. The problem is that I don't know if we can release someone from confinement if they're the only person in there, or if we can only release when we want to put in someone else and it's already full. Bogart, if you would kindly answer? :)
So lynching innocents to keep them safe is a potential strategy. But I don't think it's a strategy we should be using for consecutive days, we don't have the margin needed (unless you can release players back into confinement on any day there's a lynch, which I kind of doubt). If we can then I guess it could be a party. The infalllible "cop" element is certainly very appealing.
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Oh, when I started typing I misunderstood your question and thought you were asking about mislynches. Hence the "lynch terribly" part. Didn't register your meaning till a few moments later.
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@Harvady:
Foolio, when do you expect the wagons to begin?
Probably once we finish ironing out the rules and strategy (trapped still doesn't seem to understand how it works). If there aren't any by then, or if the day really starts dragging, I'll start a wagon myself. I would like to hear from everyone though.
I take offense to that >=( I think I've got it for the most part now.
Foolio, you concerned about those who haven't shown up? How much time will you give before you start branding lurkers?
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Well the questions in your last post imply you don't get it. You're asking Bogart to clarify something that is really clearly stated in the rules. Anyhow as soon as I decide it's time to get wagons going I'll consider people who haven't been around lurkers.
@Harvady:
The day is moving by, and I am sure that we will find a suitable person to confine. Until then, I'll throw out some questions:
Nectar, are you concerned with the idea of parolees?
Yes, because in the end it's one player's word against another. We'll have to release both to get their reports. That's why we must box two suspects to better our chances of boxing at least one Mafia member. BUT, if one of the first two players in the box is a lurker that can screw things up.
The only good thing about it is once the first released player reports Mafia we'll know at least one of them is scum because the Mafioso has no choice but to call the other player Mafia because the other player will out him/her once released, or the Townie will out the Mafioso if released first.
NNID: jervinnectar
I'm here guys! Sorry to be late, my internet totally bailed on me. I'll read up!
It is relieving that the D1 lynchee will not be killed in instance. This confinement element of this game makes it more interesting and exciting. As the game progresses, we will see if this works out but this is a new rule so… It might not work out. As of right now, I have high hopes.
I'm trying to wrap my head around these confinement rules. Instinctively, I would also go for a systematic approach like Foolio suggested… Get as many reports as possible.
Also voting Townies would be a good thing- as it also counts as a kind of delayed doctoring then. So I suggest we always lynch one suspicious person and one "thrustworthy" person to generate maximum results. Not a fool-proof plan obviously, but yeah. Also, as it has been stated before, we don't have any reason not to Lynch vote.
@Harvady:
Mrs. Iceburg, how badly will the lack of flips on lynch targets cause you to second guess the wagon?
don't mock me man, doubt is a profound human condition. Chance of me having an existential crisis during this game is 86%.
We'll have to release both to get their reports.
Not really. If we confine player A and B, and we release A, who tells us B is scum, it will suffice to put someone else (player C) in jail with B. Then we release C, who will confirm B's story. Keep in mind that if we confine the two mafias together, we automatically win. The only flaw in this plan is if both A and C are mafia, but it wouldn't take long for us to find out then.
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@Red:
It is relieving that the D1 lynchee will not be killed in instance. This confinement element of this game makes it more interesting and exciting. As the game progresses, we will see if this works out but this is a new rule so… It might not work out. As of right now, I have high hopes.
Thanks for the review?
@Red:
It is relieving that the D1 lynchee will not be killed in instance. This confinement element of this game makes it more interesting and exciting. As the game progresses, we will see if this works out but this is a new rule so… It might not work out. As of right now, I have high hopes.
Red, please answer my earlier question to you.
@Mrs.:
I'm trying to wrap my head around these confinement rules. Instinctively, I would also go for a systematic approach like Foolio suggested… Get as many reports as possible.
Also voting Townies would be a good thing- as it also counts as a kind of delayed doctoring then. So I suggest we always lynch one suspicious person and one "thrustworthy" person to generate maximum results. Not a fool-proof plan obviously, but yeah. Also, as it has been stated before, we don't have any reason not to Lynch vote.
We don't need a trustworthy person if we go with what you suggested about switching out only one for confirmation. We need at least one Mafioso boxed to gain a lead and lynching two suspects is the faster way to do it.
Not really. If we confine player A and B, and we release A, who tells us B is scum, it will suffice to put someone else (player C) in jail with B. Then we release C, who will confirm B's story. Keep in mind that if we confine the two mafias together, we automatically win. The only flaw in this plan is if both A and C are mafia, but it wouldn't take long for us to find out then.
Another reason why we need to lynch two suspects. I agree with the switching out plan.
I don't know about confining two suspects instead of a trustworthy and a suspect. That would most likely lead to confusion, WIFOM and existential crises… And it would slow us down in eliminating suspects.
I apologize I didn't realize we had started.
@Harvady:
Shuhan, does the D1 lynch not hold enough water for permanent captivity?
I believe any day can hold enough water for permanent captivity, but that doesn't mean we will pick well.
I haven't read anything other than rules atm, so here's my take. We know that concerning the townies there are no special abilities where the town is concerned and the mafia have their usual killing move at night. We confine up to two players and won't be told we got the mafia until we have both of them hogtied and in the pen.
At this point, I am willing to put myself up for confinement if ya'll will trust me enough to glean my co-inmates alignment. I give you a choice for lynching right off the bat and I promise I'll be useful.
@Harvady:
Galaxy 9000, if town reaches D3, do you think it's a given that the first-in will be first out?
Not really sure what you mean. Can you elaborate?
@Mrs.:
I don't know about confining two suspects instead of a trustworthy and a suspect. That would most likely lead to confusion, WIFOM and existential crises… And it would slow us down in eliminating suspects.
If we're already planning on switching Trustworthy Guy with someone else to confirm, what's the point in him being trustworthy at all?
But let's say we go with that, who would you pick as "trustworthy"?
NNID: jervinnectar
@Galaxy:
Not really sure what you mean. Can you elaborate?
Not really.
Vote Lynch: Galaxy 9000
So instead of elaborating, you immediately try to start a wagon?
If we're already planning on switching Trustworthy Guy with someone else to confirm, what's the point in him being trustworthy at all?
But let's say we go with that, who would you pick as "trustworthy"?
Trustworthy or not, we'd get the same amount of information. Only things could go much quicker if we trust our reports slightly more.
Right now no-one is trustworthy yet, obviously. It's just a phenomenon that happens in every Mafia game; at some point, most people will agree on one or more players that they can be considered trustworthy (based on actions and posts). In a classic lynching setup, having such a person doesn't help much (aside from cautiously eliminating a posssible lynch target). In this setup however, we could use this phenomenon to our advantage, with the strategy I described.
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And the ice has been broken! (eheh)
Galaxy, if you are Town, you have absolutely nothing to fear. If not, then I don't care what you think.
Vote Lynch: Galaxy 9000
Yeah, of course. Me getting lynched won't be a problem exactly, but it still seems way too rushed (and scummy, especially with the small amount of time that the game has been running).
@Mrs.:
Trustworthy or not, we'd get the same amount of information. Only things could go much quicker if we trust our reports slightly more.
Right now no-one is trustworthy yet, obviously. It's just a phenomenon that happens in every Mafia game; at some point, most people will agree on one or more players that they can be considered trustworthy (based on actions and posts). In a classic lynching setup, having such a person doesn't help much (aside from cautiously eliminating a posssible lynch target). In this setup however, we could use this phenomenon to our advantage, with the strategy I described.
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And the ice has been broken! (eheh)
Galaxy, if you are Town, you have absolutely nothing to fear. If not, then I don't care what you think.
Vote Lynch: Galaxy 9000
Go quicker? How will things go quicker if we do the same thing whether or not the person is trustworthy? And now you jump on a wagon…
Vote Lynch: Mrs. Iceburg
I agree with the method of keeping one person boxed and switching out two partners to check their stories. It's actually more efficient than my strategy. It puzzles me why you'd ever want someone trustworthy in this scenario. If you think about it, someone claiming town on the other is an automatic confirmation, no matter what. A mafia can't claim town on another mafia, and a townie would never claim town on a mafia. It's 100% instant confirmation regardless of trustworthiness. Now person A giving a claim on person B obviously only exonerates B. A's alignment could be anything.
To keep this most efficient though, we need to keep swapping people out in the order they were put in, so that we get useful information each day. This is especially true because if we pull out scum (A) before whoever was with them (B), then them claiming town on B is their own death sentence. As soon as B pops out, they will claim scum on A, and again it will be a 100% certainty since A has already been cleared. Therefore the only course of action for scum is to buy time by claiming scum on their partner. What I'm saying is all we have to do is use a FIFO process for boxing people (first in, first out) and confirm townies at a rate of 1 per day until someone claims mafia, and then we'll have 2 suspects to work with, one of whom for sure is scum and one who isn't, and it only takes another day beyond that to figure out which is which.
With the above strategy stacked with normal scum hunting, WHICH ONLY MAKES IT FASTER BY INCREASING THE ODDS OF AUTO-WINNING BY BOXING BOTH MAFIA TOGETHER SOONER, we have the best possible setup. There is literally no more need to have someone "trustworthy" (a dangerous assumption to begin with, that someone is trustworthy).
Vote lynch: Mrs. Iceburg
I like that I was basically ignored…makes me feel right at home~
Shuhan your suggestion makes no sense given what I just wrote. But thanks for offering?
PSA: there is "tentative" downtime scheduled tonight. I trust Bogart will take this into account if indeed the forums go down.
Vote Count: With nine alive it takes five to lynch.
Galaxy 9000 [1]: Mrs. Iceburg
Mrs. Iceburg [3]: Nectar, Foolio, Harvady Alumnus
Not Voting: Red Hawk, Galaxy 9000, Wooden Giraffe, Shuhan, trappedolphin
Even so, and I'd like to say I agree with your course of action.
Just thought someone would take me up on the offer or at least call me a ninny for suggesting it.
For this game, no lynching won't work.
I would like Red Hawk AND ONLY RED HAWK to answer a question for me: When you got your role PM today, was your game name in bold?
Well, since this is assuming that I recieved a role PM, I don't think that I should answer this. Bogart, is this type of question allowed? Nectar, I'm not trying to avoid the question but, I'm not sure if this is pertaining to the rules.
I like that I was basically ignored…makes me feel right at home~
I read your post, just not willing to take you up on it.
@Red:
Well, since this is assuming that I recieved a role PM, I don't think that I should answer this. Bogart, is this type of question allowed? Nectar, I'm not trying to avoid the question but, I'm not sure if this is pertaining to the rules.
It's okay. Your response is all I wanted. Thank you.
Go quicker? How will things go quicker if we do the same thing whether or not the person is trustworthy? And now you jump on a wagon…
Vote Lynch: Mrs. Iceburg
I meant in terms of doubt, like when it's one person's word against the other, we could just sit here and discuss endlessly which of the two is correct, and even checking both could have some flaws (like if we lock in two Mafia directly after eachother, it could actually happen that one person gets two Mafia reports, but who's going to believe him, right). It's all a bit fuzzy in my head with these different strategies and there are a lot of options we should keep in mind when getting reports on confined folks. Having a more trustworthy (i.e. townie-like) person reporting could give us some more solid bases on what is true and what isn't.
I joined the wagon because I want to jail someone. No Lynching today is an absolute loss for Town.
Makes me wonder why you're so fussy about Galaxy being jailed rather than anyone else. Do you not want him to get jailed?
I agree with the method of keeping one person boxed and switching out two partners to check their stories. It's actually more efficient than my strategy. It puzzles me why you'd ever want someone trustworthy in this scenario. If you think about it, someone claiming town on the other is an automatic confirmation, no matter what. A mafia can't claim town on another mafia, and a townie would never claim town on a mafia. It's 100% instant confirmation regardless of trustworthiness. Now person A giving a claim on person B obviously only exonerates B. A's alignment could be anything.
To keep this most efficient though, we need to keep swapping people out in the order they were put in, so that we get useful information each day. This is especially true because if we pull out scum (A) before whoever was with them (B), then them claiming town on B is their own death sentence. As soon as B pops out, they will claim scum on A, and again it will be a 100% certainty since A has already been cleared. Therefore the only course of action for scum is to buy time by claiming scum on their partner. What I'm saying is all we have to do is use a FIFO process for boxing people (first in, first out) and confirm townies at a rate of 1 per day until someone claims mafia, and then we'll have 2 suspects to work with, one of whom for sure is scum and one who isn't, and it only takes another day beyond that to figure out which is which.
With the above strategy stacked with normal scum hunting, WHICH ONLY MAKES IT FASTER BY INCREASING THE ODDS OF AUTO-WINNING BY BOXING BOTH MAFIA TOGETHER SOONER, we have the best possible setup. There is literally no more need to have someone "trustworthy" (a dangerous assumption to begin with, that someone is trustworthy).
Vote lynch: Mrs. Iceburg
Your FIFO strategy seems pretty foolproof (eheh). I stated above why using someone "trustworthy" in an early stage could be useful to help us figure things out. Mind that even though your method delivers a lot of reports quickly, there are still a lot of ways we can get deceived and confused by these reports, and in that sense the Mafia have the upper hand since they obviously know who's Town and who isn't, so they can steer the jailing process (with voting and convincing) to their advantage. In any case I definitely agree that we should keep actively scum hunting aside from using the confinement as a reporting system. In the end I think time will be our biggest enemy, and on crucial moments we will need to be certain of our case in order to win.
Sorry if I sound confusing, I'm pretty confused myself… I hate when stuff is different from usual :<
Now Foolio I don't know why you jumped on me (figuratively, in the literal sense it would be quite understandable), so can you elaborate why?
@Mrs.:
Your FIFO strategy seems pretty foolproof (eheh). I stated above why using someone "trustworthy" in an early stage could be useful to help us figure things out. Mind that even though your method delivers a lot of reports quickly, there are still a lot of ways we can get deceived and confused by these reports, and in that sense the Mafia have the upper hand since they obviously know who's Town and who isn't, so they can steer the jailing process (with voting and convincing) to their advantage. In any case I definitely agree that we should keep actively scum hunting aside from using the confinement as a reporting system. In the end I think time will be our biggest enemy, and on crucial moments we will need to be certain of our case in order to win.
Sorry if I sound confusing, I'm pretty confused myself… I hate when stuff is different from usual :<
The mafia won't be able to influence the town any more than any other game, and as you just agreed we should keep scum hunting which directly leads to jailing (suspected) scum, which I might add will stop them from "corrupting" the town. Given what I said before, exactly how can we get deceived and confused by the reports? I don't understand your concern here.
@Mrs.:
Now Foolio I don't know why you jumped on me (figuratively, in the literal sense it would be quite understandable), so can you elaborate why?
Whoa are you flirting with me!? Hey I likes ya and all but that won't stop me from voting you! ;) It's basically your weird insistence on having someone trustworthy after everything Nectar said, and even now despite agreeing with me you are defending the concept and being vague about how it could hurt the town otherwise. Plus the day pushes on. We need to get things rolling because as I doubt anyone would contest, a no-lynch today would be catastrophic.
Bogart, how much time we got?
@Mrs.:
I meant in terms of doubt, like when it's one person's word against the other, we could just sit here and discuss endlessly which of the two is correct, and even checking both could have some flaws (like if we lock in two Mafia directly after eachother, it could actually happen that one person gets two Mafia reports, but who's going to believe him, right). It's all a bit fuzzy in my head with these different strategies and there are a lot of options we should keep in mind when getting reports on confined folks. Having a more trustworthy (i.e. townie-like) person reporting could give us some more solid bases on what is true and what isn't.
I joined the wagon because I want to jail someone. No Lynching today is an absolute loss for Town.
Makes me wonder why you're so fussy about Galaxy being jailed rather than anyone else. Do you not want him to get jailed?
No, I don't. I want my top suspects jailed and he isn't one of them at this time. You didn't mention not wanting a no-lynch when you voted, just threw Galaxy under the bus and tried to justify it. Also, with all your talk on getting someone trustworthy why worry about getting boxed yourself?
NNID: jervinnectar
Foolio, the problem that we face is that the first person we lynch has an overwhelming probability of being town. We won't have good reason to keep them locked up, barring particularly scumtastic behavior. Even then, we'd be forced to extradite our most recent lynch instead. I can't even imagine such a thing. I can only say this about the setup:
Our first report won't be until Day Four. Town will put it's life on the line before then. Of the four of us who have voted, (You, me, Nectar, Mrs. Iceburg) at least one of us will have been killed by then. I will undoubtedly end up on the Mrs. Iceburg wagon today. We need to make sure we've said everything before then.
Of those who haven't voted, at least one will be necessary to secure the lynch. They will be getting a free ride in a sense. How can we deal with them, when lynching only prolongs their existence?
Nectar, of the five who have not voted, one of them is mafia. I have 100% confidence in this. The mafia doesn't rush into lynches, nor bandwagon together, they have the most success by stalling, lurking, and being generally unhelpful. Here's how I break them down:
Shuhan: He's a psuedo-self proclaimed ninny. Whether or not he was baiting people into an 'easy' lynch is irrelevant. All talk that is about the setup is arguably helpful, meaning that I don't know anything about what he actually wants to do.
Wooden_Giraffe: He said he wouldn't be around very much, so he's true to his word. We will have a very big problem if he stays this way. He won't be killed, nor will his lynch be of any use to town should we parole him.
trappedolphin: Hasn't voted, but had plenty to say about the setup and involved in questions that arguably help town understand things. No opinion on other players though. Answered my question to the best of her ability. Shows effort.
Red Hawk: Responded to my and your question. Hasn't said nary a word since.
Galaxy 9000: I took his reaction to my question as a stalling tactic. The fact that trapped answered my query despite the fact that she wasn't completely sure about my intentions, meant that Galaxy was picking his words too carefully. That timidity is characteristic of mafia. The fact that his reaction to my vote was so fast also raises a red flag in my mind.
@Harvady:
Foolio, the problem that we face is that the first person we lynch has an overwhelming probability of being town. We won't have good reason to keep them locked up, barring particularly scumtastic behavior. Even then, we'd be forced to extradite our most recent lynch instead. I can't even imagine such a thing. I can only say this about the setup:
Our first report won't be until Day Four. Town will put it's life on the line before then. Of the four of us who have voted, (You, me, Nectar, Mrs. Iceburg) at least one of us will have been killed by then. I will undoubtedly end up on the Mrs. Iceburg wagon today. We need to make sure we've said everything before then.
I'm not really sure what you're getting at. Yes, unfortunately the process is slow, but I can't think of a more efficient course of action. What's the problem with the first person having overwhelming probability of being town? They will be the first person released anyway. The hard decisions will come if the number of players grows small and no mafia claim has surfaced; we may end up having to abandon the methodical strategy and leaving the scummiest of the two jailed players in there (as opposed to automatically pulling out the one who was put in sooner) to increase our chances of keeping the mafia's win condition at bay.
It also makes almost no difference who the mafia kills as long as we more or less stick to this strategy. But I assume the point you were trying to make is that active players will be offed first and leave the town in a real tight spot if the lurkers won't vote and won't give us any info upon being paroled. This setup doesn't allow any room for lurkers which is really bad for the town.
@Harvady:
Galaxy 9000: I took his reaction to my question as a stalling tactic. The fact that trapped answered my query despite the fact that she wasn't completely sure about my intentions, meant that Galaxy was picking his words too carefully. That timidity is characteristic of mafia. The fact that his reaction to my vote was so fast also raises a red flag in my mind.
Or maybe it meant I wanted to answer your question correctly, and not presume what you meant?
I can't see how reaction time is an issue either. Want to elaborate on how that's a red flag?
It also makes almost no difference who the mafia kills as long as we more or less stick to this strategy. But I assume the point you were trying to make is that active players will be offed first and leave the town in a real tight spot if the lurkers won't vote and won't give us any info upon being paroled. This setup doesn't allow any room for lurkers which is really bad for the town.
That's mostly what it boils down to. We only have 24 hours left. Most of town doesn't have the urgency that I would like them to.
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Vote Lynch: Mrs. Iceburg
@Harvady:
Foolio, the problem that we face is that the first person we lynch has an overwhelming probability of being town. We won't have good reason to keep them locked up, barring particularly scumtastic behavior. Even then, we'd be forced to extradite our most recent lynch instead. I can't even imagine such a thing. I can only say this about the setup:
Our first report won't be until Day Four. Town will put it's life on the line before then. Of the four of us who have voted, (You, me, Nectar, Mrs. Iceburg) at least one of us will have been killed by then. I will undoubtedly end up on the Mrs. Iceburg wagon today. We need to make sure we've said everything before then.
Of those who haven't voted, at least one will be necessary to secure the lynch. They will be getting a free ride in a sense. How can we deal with them, when lynching only prolongs their existence?
Nectar, of the five who have not voted, one of them is mafia. I have 100% confidence in this. The mafia doesn't rush into lynches, nor bandwagon together, they have the most success by stalling, lurking, and being generally unhelpful. Here's how I break them down:
Shuhan: He's a psuedo-self proclaimed ninny. Whether or not he was baiting people into an 'easy' lynch is irrelevant. All talk that is about the setup is arguably helpful, meaning that I don't know anything about what he actually wants to do.
Wooden_Giraffe: He said he wouldn't be around very much, so he's true to his word. We will have a very big problem if he stays this way. He won't be killed, nor will his lynch be of any use to town should we parole him.
trappedolphin: Hasn't voted, but had plenty to say about the setup and involved in questions that arguably help town understand things. No opinion on other players though. Answered my question to the best of her ability. Shows effort.
Red Hawk: Responded to my and your question. Hasn't said nary a word since.
Galaxy 9000: I took his reaction to my question as a stalling tactic. The fact that trapped answered my query despite the fact that she wasn't completely sure about my intentions, meant that Galaxy was picking his words too carefully. That timidity is characteristic of mafia. The fact that his reaction to my vote was so fast also raises a red flag in my mind.
I'm bad when dealing with lurkers. I need people to talk. I will say I don't like it when people have an excuse to lurk like Wooden, I don't like Galaxy's quick vote reaction, and after rereading his post I REALLY don't like Shuhan's offer to tell us the other boxed players alignment. Note he said co-inmates. He basically voted to be Cop with no intention of he himself getting called into question. Shuhan just became my second pick.
The mafia won't be able to influence the town any more than any other game, and as you just agreed we should keep scum hunting which directly leads to jailing (suspected) scum, which I might add will stop them from "corrupting" the town. Given what I said before, exactly how can we get deceived and confused by the reports? I don't understand your concern here.
Whoa are you flirting with me!? Hey I likes ya and all but that won't stop me from voting you! ;) It's basically your weird insistence on having someone trustworthy after everything Nectar said, and even now despite agreeing with me you are defending the concept and being vague about how it could hurt the town otherwise. Plus the day pushes on. We need to get things rolling because as I doubt anyone would contest, a no-lynch today would be catastrophic.
Oh, you know how I be.~
You really don't see how the reports can cause confusion? Okay, as long as we only jail Townies, we get a string of confirmed blues, all good. But as soon as we jail a Mafia - either by chance or based on suspicions - it won't be so easy to verify. Take the following scenario: we jail A, a Mafia. Next Day, we jail B, a Townie. We then release A and jail C, another Mafia. A will come out calling B Mafia. B will come out calling A Mafia. Then C comes out, and confirms A's story that B is Mafia, where it's not true at all! Then D comes out and tells us it's actually C who is the Mafia, and we'll have our two confirmed Mafs. However, this will be five days later, AND, even worse, both our Mafia will be out of jail and we'll need another two Days to confine them both. With seven Townies and one kill per night, it's pretty obvious how that will work out for Town. And yes, there's only a small window in which this can happen, but if the Mafia can play it that way, we're screwed.
Bogart, how much time we got?
No, I don't. I want my top suspects jailed and he isn't one of them at this time. You didn't mention not wanting a no-lynch when you voted, just threw Galaxy under the bus and tried to justify it. Also, with all your talk on getting someone trustworthy why worry about getting boxed yourself?
And I am one of your top suspects? It should be obvious I didn't want a No Lynch, nobody wants that. Except for the Mafia but you know.
I'm not worried about getting boxed, I just didn't feel like it, because I know it's a waste of time for Town. But I've come to think of it and now I kind of want to, so that I can be cleared for the rest of the game, and it should be interesting to watch you guys play on from the sidelines.
I'm not really sure what you're getting at. Yes, unfortunately the process is slow, but I can't think of a more efficient course of action. What's the problem with the first person having overwhelming probability of being town? They will be the first person released anyway. The hard decisions will come if the number of players grows small and no mafia claim has surfaced; we may end up having to abandon the methodical strategy and leaving the scummiest of the two jailed players in there (as opposed to automatically pulling out the one who was put in sooner) to increase our chances of keeping the mafia's win condition at bay.
It also makes almost no difference who the mafia kills as long as we more or less stick to this strategy. But I assume the point you were trying to make is that active players will be offed first and leave the town in a real tight spot if the lurkers won't vote and won't give us any info upon being paroled. This setup doesn't allow any room for lurkers which is really bad for the town.
<the following="" rant="" is="" not="" very="" in-game,="" sorry="" bout="" that="">Lurkers are always bad, and I hope if they get jailed they will at least come in to share their report. Otherwise they're just breaking the game. Like why would you even sign up if you know you're not going to be here and play (looking at you, Wooden_Giraffe). Same goes for Red Hawk, Galaxy, trapped, and Shuhan, who've been largely inactive for now. That just sucks and with the chance of active players getting offed, this game could just get stuck in inactivity limbo which would mean an almost automatic win for Mafia.
<here starts="" real="" game="" talk="" again="">The danger also consists of there being a lurker Mafia, so if we avoid confining lurkers, that's another shoo-in for the Mafia. I was thinking about making an alphabetical list for who to confine when, but I realized that's just leaving us to luck. In any case, we're done for if people keep lurking like this. We need to be able to scum hunt to get things moving faster and avoid losing by lack of time.
Now then…
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Vote Lynch: Mrs. Iceburg</here></the>
Wow, gone this long and no wagons on me. That's new. My apologies, weekend was more hectic then I had imagined. Time to read and catch up.
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I assume the downtime has given us a grace period, but why have we not lynched yet? Even if it's random this setup makes a no lynch a complete waste of a day.
Vote Lynch: Mrs. Iceburg
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So if we don't get a confinement report til Day4 then it really isn't something we should bank all our cards on. There will be three dead townies by then and if neither mafioso is confined then we lose. So I'm not sure if strictly releasing should be done in order of confinement, but rather who we think is the most likely mafia.
I apologize for my inactivity on here seeing as I have pressing IRL BS that reared it's ugly head recently (emphasis on ugly)
I find it adorable that because of one word Nectar labeled me on his top list. Who said that I didn't think people would question my "trustworthyness" if I was boxed. I merely presented myself to go first under the microscope, but clearly that is a scum tell…
Anyway, like I said before in my last post I agreed to Foolio's line of thought, I just didn't put my vote down yet so here we go
Vote Lynch: Mrs Iceburg
Vote Count: With nine alive it takes five to lynch.
Mrs. Iceburg [[COLOR=#ff0000]5]: Nectar, Foolio, Harvady Alumnus, Mrs. Iceburg, Wooden Giraffe _Not Voting: **Red Hawk, Galaxy 9000, Shuhan, trappedolphin
Lynch has been achieved. Day One has ended.** The decision was made after a long and difficult fight. At least, the decision on how to salvage the snacks was- deciding who would hang was a lot quicker for some reason. Genbo and Pagaya argued for it, Amazon agreed. McKinley himself seemed to think it had to be done. All that was left was for Aisa to lead him to Nola… and draw the bungee tight. As Nola stretched into the sky, McKinley stood at the edge, staring out over the park with the eyes of everyone on him. Finally at the zenith, he stepped off without a word. Only a faint "woo-hoo" was heard.
"...we probably should have put it around his neck or something."
"Nah, this is fine."_
The remaining eight wander off searching for a place to rest for the night. McKinley has been hung. Now dangling by his feet high above Town, he will no longer be able to move or be heard unless someone has to collect him. Night One has begun.
The next morning everyone gathered back in front of Nola Bungee to continue their work hunting down the two responsible for ruining the park and threatening its peace. However, one person did not show up. It was Genbo, the Shandian warrior. Knowing the nature of the fiends hiding amongst them, a search was immediately carried out. Sadly, they did not have to go far. All amusements should have been shut down, but they realized the tune of the carousel had been playing all morning. Genbo's body was found tied up to the front of the line An initial walk-through of the scene suggests he was forced to watch the ride circle only to see the height requirement sign had been cruelly altered; anyone who was over five feet could no longer ride. Unable to enjoy his favorite ride, Genbo died of a broken heart. Tearfully, the eight dragged his large form to the lost and found, where he could be claimed.
Foolio has died. He was Genbo, the Townie. He had no special abilities.
Vote Count: With seven alive it takes four to lynch. Shuhan [1]: Shuhan Harvady Alumnus [1]: Nectar Not Voting: Red Hawk, Galaxy 9000, Shuhan, trappedolphin, Harvady Alumnus, Wooden Giraffe
Day Two has begun. You have 72 hours to achieve a lynch.
Looking through Foolio's posts I can see why the Mafia wanted him dead.
I'm going to assume and least one Mafioso voted for Mrs. Iceburg.
