That kinda seems too easy if you ask me.
There must be an explanation later on.
Toriko II: Ichiryuu's Slimy Insides!!
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I feel quite sad when reading this chapter . My favorite character, Ichiryuu, was beaten by small fry cat Midora while I haven't seen the real power of Ichiryuu .
I predict there will be white-hot battle between Midora and Jirou next week . -
Ichiryuu getting off-screened is the single most disappointing thing that has ever happened in this manga. So much wasted potential that it's almost making me sick. Sigh… :<
I had such high expectations of Toriko a couple of years ago. It could have been the next One Piece if Shima had the patience to write things as well as he could have.
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I must be the only person who likes the cliffhanger then. Like Gizmo said, that particular fight between Midora and Ichiryuu wasn't foreshadowed in any way, so we couldn't look forward to seeing it because we had no indication it was going to happen then. The Ichiryuu vs. Midora fight will still be seen in the future, since I doubt the president's dead. I don't see why anyone should be disappointed because it's
a) Not ridding us of seeing a fight between these two people in the future
or b) the fight wasn't expected by anyone so there was no anticipation for seeing it right then and there. You can't be disappointed over a fight being skipped if no one was expecting to see that fight then and there anyway. -
Sigh i was waiting for this arc to end to see if it had some redeming factors it was the other way around.
This arc is my least favourite from Toriko.
And Starjun secret ability is that wereever he appears other characthers more intersting get their fight off-panels.
That a real villainy act. -
I was forshadowed when Ichiryuu was going to cut "ait" wiyh Milk's knife, pretty sure he was aware of the dangers and warned the people with him that the possibility of an attack was high. That said, obviously this is not the end for him. Losing =/= dying. Especially in Toriko.
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Knowing Shima's lazyness I can't say I'm surprised but…..well, this'd be alot more meaningful if you showed the fight getting to it's conclusion.
If Shima doesn't at least show us the end of the battle next chapter I'll be realy dissapointed.
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The shock for knowing Ichiryuu and Midora are already fighting in Gourmet World is…shocking!!! Yeah, shocking. I'm a little disappointed because this was skipped and being Midora my favourite character this is frustrating. I wrote "little disappointed" beacause, like I wrote a few posts ago, I think we'll reach the climax with the next chapter. And don't we forget we have 7 ingredients from Acacia's full course to be found, so maybe this first confrontation between Midora and Ichiryuu was just THE first one.
Now I got no problems with any of the fights half-showed (or skipped) till now, but this needs an explanation. And there are some other mysteries: who's Joa, what's the role of Mohyan Shaishai in this, what happened to Coco, what the meaning of Kuriobou leaving before Tokage took him.Jirou's knocking was still effective! Only Setsuno and Frohze (and Starjun who was flying with his dragon) weren't "touched".
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The shock for knowing Ichiryuu and Midora are already fighting in Gourmet World is…shocking!!! Yeah, shocking. I'm a little disappointed because this was skipped and being Midora my favourite character this is frustrating. I wrote "little disappointed" beacause, like I wrote a few posts ago, I think we'll reach the climax with the next chapter. And don't we forget we have 7 ingredients from Acacia's full course to be found, so maybe this first confrontation between Midora and Ichiryuu was just THE first one.
Now I got no problems with any of the fights half-showed (or skipped) till now, but this needs an explanation. And there are some other mysteries: who's Joa, what's the role of Mohyan Shaishai in this, what happened to Coco, what the meaning of Kuriobou leaving before Tokage took him.Jirou's knocking was still effective! Only Setsuno and Frohze (and Starjun who was flying with his dragon) weren't "touched".
And Kuriboh, who was capable of escaping that black thing.
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A few (maybe) important things:
- Joa tells Starjun that he was born with "Gourmet Cells" genetic, so Starjun was born a superhuman with Gourmet Cells since his birth I suppose.
- I don't get the meaning of Jirou's button falling down.
- Starjun refers to Midora with the ending "-sama", so he has pure respect for him and he's not going to betray him?
- Kuriboh really left before Tokage took him?
- Joa tells Starjun "now, nothing will get in my way"…what does this mean? A little after again Joa:"So it's "concluded", has it? The one other "peak showdown"...he/she refers to Ichiryuu-Midora confrontation...but so, what does the first line mean?
Also, I'm pretty sure we'll reach the climax in the next chapters (not only one).
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- Joa tells Starjun "now, nothing will get in my way"…what does this mean?
I think that line belongs to Midora, not Joa .
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I must be the only person who likes the cliffhanger then. Like Gizmo said, that particular fight between Midora and Ichiryuu wasn't foreshadowed in any way, so we couldn't look forward to seeing it because we had no indication it was going to happen then. The Ichiryuu vs. Midora fight will still be seen in the future, since I doubt the president's dead. I don't see why anyone should be disappointed because it's
a) Not ridding us of seeing a fight between these two people in the future
or b) the fight wasn't expected by anyone so there was no anticipation for seeing it right then and there. You can't be disappointed over a fight being skipped if no one was expecting to see that fight then and there anyway.Actually it gets to show how two big developments can happen at the same time. And cmon, it was quite obvious Midora was terribly strong, more than Ichiryuu.
This said, Before someone has the gall to say this wasn't hinted at, I think you should re-read the series from the beggining in order to not forget anything.
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T](http://www.batoto.net/read/_/78025/toriko_ch172_by_hi-wa-mata-noboru/16)he president's warning.
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I](http://www.batoto.net/read/_/82119/toriko_ch174_by_hi-wa-mata-noboru/18)chiryuu gets ready for battle and Midora's overwhelming power is hyped.
[http://www.batoto.net/read/_/109102/toriko_ch192_by_hi-wa-mata-noboru/19
A](http://www.batoto.net/read/_/109102/toriko_ch192_by_hi-wa-mata-noboru/19)ssembling the strongest members.
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I](http://www.batoto.net/read/_/110818/toriko_ch193_by_hi-wa-mata-noboru/17)mpending war.
[http://www.batoto.net/read/_/137962/toriko_ch209_by_hi-wa-mata-noboru/16
T](http://www.batoto.net/read/_/137962/toriko_ch209_by_hi-wa-mata-noboru/16)he final foreshadowing
So I take the ingredient they were fighting over was Acacia's salad, Air?
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(though the art, creative over the topness and manliness is still as strong as ever)
Frankly, not at all to speak poorly of Toriko, but that right there is everything I enjoy it for; and since, as you say, those facets are as strong as ever, I've really yet to become disappointed. Not that I can't see what you're saying with the rest of your post, or even disagree with it, but I suppose it can be a blessing to have… lower standards? Although I don't even think that's what I'd call it. To me, I'm just enjoying Toriko for what it is.
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The end of this big battle is going to leave big scars. Toriko is in a near-death state, Sunny the same, no one know what happened to Coco, Shigematsu, Uumen and one member of the 0th Byotope are traitors, Teppei brainwashed or god knows what happened to him. The Bishokukai has lost one sous chef and one branch chef, countless beasts, countless gt robos, Chiyo incapacitated. A lot of material damage, lots of chefs captured.
And of course most important, the latest development and Komatsu already unavoidable kidnapping.
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I'm reserving my opinion about the whole Midora / Ichiryuu deal and the arc in general until the next chapter is out, but I hope we get at least a glimpse of what happened between those two ( and also Coco vs Grinpatch, our favourite six-armed chef needs more love ). I'm really concerned about Ichiryuu because he's one of the most charismatic guys on the whole manga and, while I'm 100% sure he's alive and we'll see more about him, It would be really disappointing to see him be defeated off-screen like this without seeing at least a bit of what happened. It could be just the first of many battles, yes, but what he said to Mansam worries me a bit.
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I have a prediction regarding Coco. He's inside Grinpatch (don't ask me how he did it) and will sneak into the Bishokukai HQ.
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We already had a similar development with Ichiryuu, when he paid a visit to Midora. After that we jumped to the Meteor Garlic arc. And then a few chapters later…
[http://www.batoto.net/read/_/76456/toriko_ch171_by_hi-wa-mata-noboru/10
A](http://www.batoto.net/read/_/76456/toriko_ch171_by_hi-wa-mata-noboru/10)nd also, I can't believe some say the battle wasn't hinted and/or foreshadowed. Look at this:
http://www.batoto.net/read/_/80743/toriko_ch173_by_hi-wa-mata-noboru/10
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It's not about not being foreshadowed. That much is a given. It's about not even showing them oppose each other, nothing. All that build up for - nothing. If we don't get to see any of it, I'll be really disappointed. Even if it was just for the Cooking Fest, with the Midora/Ichiryuu battle happening later, too much was left out, and that makes me sad. I'd love to see so much more of this.
But as it stands, the battle is over with us not even seeing a tiny glimpse of it, not even the beginning. I mean, that's a wasted cliffhanger of just the two forces standing there, before any fighting has started. The way it was done was poor. And there isn't much to argue here.
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You guys do not even read, right? Anyone who thinks the author won't show that epic fight is naive to say the least. Now, if it later turns out that way you can throw shit at me.
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How could we "hear" it though?
He speaks loud enough for us to "hear" that . Probably.
It seems that Midora just took out Ichiryuu and he thought nobody is capable of stoping him . -
I wonder if Midora being heard from that long distance has something to do with he eating one of Acacia's holy ingredients.
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It seems that Midora just took out Ichiryuu and he thought nobody is capable of stoping him .
Well, I think he's right for now. Ichiryuu was the top (former) of the world.
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Anyone else thinks they were fighting in space? I mean, Meteor Spice and all, and also the fact the rain fell down from the sky.
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Anyone else thinks they were fighting in space? I mean, Meteor Spice and all, and also the fact the rain fell down from the sky.
Nope. I think they were fighting somewhere in Gourmet World but on the ground. I can imagine the multitude of beasts killed by the clash.
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But how could his voice be heard from such a huge distance? I can only guess this is a result from eating one of the ingredients from Acacia's Full Course, particularly Air, the ingredient Ichiryuu and the 0th Biotope were going to seize the last time we saw them.
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Cool chapter I guess, Ichiryuu and Midora is something we'll see in the future, but I'm worried about Coco vs Grinpatch. He's obviously going to explain at some point where Coco is, but I'm pretty sure we won't be seeing this fight anymore, which is too bad, because the Grinpatch fight could have just been the best or second best fight after Tommy vs Sunny
also, poor terry :(
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If Coco is inside Grinpatch's gut, we are likely going to see a flashback displaying a brief moment of their fight and how he got into him.
I'm saying this because Komatsu is going to be taken to the Bishokukai HQ for sure now, and the only one who could rescue him is Coco.
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Ah, ok. If the location of the fight was somewhere in the sky, like in the Ozone Herb arc, it's ok. But in my opinion there's no chance they were fighting while "flying".
I can't wait to read the next chapters though. Am I wrong but next week is Jump on hiatus? -
Btw Area51, I think I forgot to answer your question. The button falling off Jirou's jacket is an omen commonly used in Japan to signal that something bad just happened.
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Btw Area51, I think I forgot to answer your question. The button falling off Jirou's jacket is an omen commonly used in Japan to signal that something bad just happened.
Oh, I didn't know. I thought he was something linked with Ichiryuu "gravity" ability.
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Preview for 117 (8/18/13)
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So is the spice falling over just the island or the Human World itself.
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So is the spice falling over just the island or the Human World itself.
With which purpose? So Meteor Spice could just an advice to these strong people present on the island? I don't know, I/we need some more infos.
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I really didn't like that twist at the end of the chapter
Compare it to Marineford. That was foreshadowed with Ace's first appearance back in Arabasta, then Blackbeard was introduced, then we had Shanks and Whitebeard clashing over it, then the actual match between Ace and Blackbeard, then in ch. 501 we had news speard around the world about Ace's execution, with the final battle taking place 50 chapters later.
But here… we had Ichiryu arrive at Midora's place, then leaving with a warning. The only foreshadowing was for the final match over GOD, that's due to happen at some point in the future. Then some chapters later we see Ichiryu with a couple of Biotop 0 members holding a giant sword, preparing for who knows what. Now we find out that he's been killed? Really? With absolutely no context?
The only moment in this arc I've liked were Sani vs Tommy and Buranchi vs Elg (especially the end of it), everything else was either decent or bad. The festival itself was a disappointment, and pretty much every newly introduced chef is going to be pretty irrelevant from now on. Even Zebra has been kicking the ass of the three Nitros that the strongest chefs couldn't even scratch.
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This can only have two possible outcomes.
1- The fight ended like it was implied and we are gonna have a flashback.
2- The fight didn't end the way it was implied and it was only to establish Midora's superiority over the rest.
If it's the later, we'll see the results of such big battle.
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My guess is that Ichiryuu was able to escape without dying, but is probably in a coma-like state. It'll probably take Komatsu eventually cooking his full course in order to bring him back to normal.
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I forgot about Ichiryuu's Full Course. It was hinted Komatsu could cook it.
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What if Midora didn't kill Ichiryuu but captured him? And now Starjun is taking Komatsu to Bishokukai's headquarter in Gourmet World (likely)…
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I'll just assume Midora defeated him but the 0th Biotope managed to put Ichiryuu in safety.
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Well, this could be. But they need someone with some useful power because after seeing Jirou knocking the whole planet I think Midora could easily sweep away the rest of 0th Biotope, unless people like Guemon or Melk turn out to be the real monsters they seem to be.
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I'm sure most if not all the 0th Biotope are monsters.
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Yes, of course they are. But look at Kousairou (Rala stated the hermit was one of the strongest of 0th) and Kuriboh vs. Setsuno. Surely they're monsters but people like Ichiryuu, Jirou and Midora are insane even for 0th Biotope standard. Maybe Manan with his magic helped Ichiryuu to escape after the loss. Just speculations though.
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I think Setsuno's fight against 2 members of the 0th Isotope and Zaus should give an indication of the strength of the world class top fighters like Midora vs Te 0th Isotope.
And I wanna say that this attack would indicate that Ichiryuu is seriously injured and this is a major loss for the good guys, but given how little impact the extensive damage the 4 beasts caused to the human world turned out to be I could see it going either way.
Originally Posted by Nightwing
Stay focused, cause right now you have a decision to make. Are you a man perpetually looking back at what he’s lost, or a man looking forward, to what he might become?
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It would be kinda dumb for the Dragon to die before the long anticipated Great Gourmet War occurs. And he had many 0th Biotope members to cover him, so I'm pretty sure he's not dead, but this is still a bad sign, as now Midora is unstoppable.
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I really didn't like that twist at the end of the chapter [qimg]http://www.narutoforums.com/images/smilies/series3/frowna.gif[/qimg]
Compare it to Marineford. That was foreshadowed with Ace's first appearance back in Arabasta, then Blackbeard was introduced, then we had Shanks and Whitebeard clashing over it, then the actual match between Ace and Blackbeard, then in ch. 501 we had news speard around the world about Ace's execution, with the final battle taking place 50 chapters later.
But here… we had Ichiryu arrive at Midora's place, then leaving with a warning. The only foreshadowing was for the final match over GOD, that's due to happen at some point in the future. Then some chapters later we see Ichiryu with a couple of Biotop 0 members holding a giant sword, preparing for who knows what. Now we find out that he's been killed? Really? With absolutely no context?
The only moment in this arc I've liked were Sani vs Tommy and Buranchi vs Elg (especially the end of it), everything else was either decent or bad. The festival itself was a disappointment, and pretty much every newly introduced chef is going to be pretty irrelevant from now on. Even Zebra has been kicking the ass of the three Nitros that the strongest chefs couldn't even scratch.
Thank God. I thought I was the only one who thought this. Toriko used to be so good. But now it is a joke. it's lie the author stopped caring 2arcs ago
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People can whine all they want, but until we don't see a panel depicting his dead body, Ichiryuu is not dead. The rest is pure speculation.
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Calm down guys we can not say anything about Ich and Mid fight, because simply it was off panel, Shima not the guy who skipped that fight so easily he likes to extend his fights and present some power explanation Sunny vs Tommy or Elg Vs Bran, do you want to tell me those fight are more important than Ich fight !
that lead me to belive it is a small skirmish due we are not aware of the situation yet and what happened betwenn them,Ich propally not dead and was holding back not using his full power not want to kill his younger brother
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Since the start of the series there have been several improvements in the fighting styles. From barehanded -> barehanded with energy'ish improvements -> full energy'ish attacks -> impressions –> real manifestations of the intimidation , and whatever I forgot and comes next. I personally think that there will be a lot more of improvement and I'm hyped to follow our main characters to the process of gaining and discovering these kind of powers.
Therefore even if I am curious as fuck on how the top of the tops fight I still don't want to be spoiled about it. I think this is the reason why we (maybe) wont see their fight and I am totally ok with it.
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