My vote for final villain is Zombie Ace!
The Final Villain
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LOL, very good. Or to make a certain poster happy it's a fight on Apoo's airship (there ya go)
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Luffy vs BB is guaranteed to occur at raftel however we know the final great battle won't occur until after One Piece is found, so unless the great battle happens at raftel it is a lot more likely that Akainu + WG are the final fight. This is likely why Oda had Akainu kill Ace in order to set up anticipation for this grudge match at the end. As is Akainu is only gaining more and more hype now with his defeat of Aokiji. BB just isn't as guaranteed as final boss as he once was.
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I think the final villain for One Piece is the World Government. Luffy will eventually find out the truth about One Piece. It goes something like… "After sailing the Grand Line for so long, Nami will probably come up with a theory that Raftel doesn't exist. And that Raftel was actually an island destroyed by the World Government 800 years ago.". The truth angers Luffy so much that... with all his nakama and friends he has gathered over his travels, they will join together and challenge the World Government and its allies. It's a question of moral justice.
When Luffy & his allies defeat the World Government, Luffy will be crowned king of a new kingdom. But he will probably reject the offer, saying that the most free one is the Pirate King. As a result, a world where everyone has equal rights and neverending is restored (Raftel is restored). And upon that, the Luffy & his crew sails off into the horizon.
During his travels though, he'll probably take down various big villains like Big Mam, Kaido and Blackbeard. I am skeptical that he will actually take them down, or their defeats will be silent and unknown. This is because a direct confrontation and defeat will upset the balance of the world. Perhaps, Luffy's supposed victory against a Yonkou would result in them being allies. I am quite sure Big Mam's defeat will be announced throughout the world though. Some of the 11 supernovas will probably be his allies through various encounters. The rest like Kidd will probably stay out of his way until the final arc. The crew probably will have to go back to the Old World several times to fight other villains, or recruit old allies (like Vivi).
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I think the final villain for One Piece is the World Government. Luffy will eventually find out the truth about One Piece. It goes something like… "After sailing the Grand Line for so long, Nami will probably come up with a theory that Raftel doesn't exist. And that Raftel was actually an island destroyed by the World Government 800 years ago.". The truth angers Luffy so much that... with all his nakama and friends he has gathered over his travels, they will join together and challenge the World Government and its allies. It's a question of moral justice.
But… Roger said that the Rio Poneglyph would be at Raftel, and the poneglyphs were built as a record of the Void Century...
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But… Roger said that the Rio Poneglyph would be at Raftel, and the poneglyphs were built as a record of the Void Century...
Think about it. Why is Raftel a place so hard to get to? Maybe it's because it doesn't actually exist… at least not in present day. Roger probably lied about Raftel and One Piece to usher the Great Pirate Era. Afterall, people love treasure. I mean, Roger & his crew are the only ones who have been there. Even Shanks and especially Buggy (who were in Roger's crew) don't seem to bother that One Piece, the greatest treasure, is there.
The Rio Poneglyph is probably a collection of Poneglyphs. If you can reach the end of the Grand Line, you must be pretty powerful, have a great deal of treasure and have encountered a fair number of Poneglyphs to actually decipher the True Message of the Poneglyphs. A civilization would have been stupid to put its history into just one Poneglyph anyway.
My point is, by just reaching the end of the Grand Line, you will find that you have Fame, Fortune and Knowledge all in One Piece. To Oda, that's probably what One Piece means. My hypothesis is that Raftel is the location of the Ancient Kingdom, to which Luffy is one of the descendants to. His goal after that is to restore the Raftel to its former glory, while remarking: "Hey, I was just helping my friends."…. That's the true essence of Luffy. And it's what makes One Piece so awesome.
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Think about it. Why is Raftel a place so hard to get to? Maybe it's because it doesn't actually exist… at least not in present day. Roger probably lied about Raftel and One Piece to usher the Great Pirate Era. Afterall, people love treasure. I mean, Roger & his crew are the only ones who have been there. Even Shanks and especially Buggy (who were in Roger's crew) don't seem to bother that One Piece, the greatest treasure, is there.
The Rio Poneglyph is probably a collection of Poneglyphs. If you can reach the end of the Grand Line, you must be pretty powerful, have a great deal of treasure and have encountered a fair number of Poneglyphs to actually decipher the True Message of the Poneglyphs. A civilization would have been stupid to put its history into just one Poneglyph anyway.
My point is, by just reaching the end of the Grand Line, you will find that you have Fame, Fortune and Knowledge all in One Piece. To Oda, that's probably what One Piece means. My hypothesis is that Raftel is the location of the Ancient Kingdom, to which Luffy is one of the descendants to. His goal after that is to restore the Raftel to its former glory, while remarking: "Hey, I was just helping my friends."…. That's the true essence of Luffy. And it's what makes One Piece so awesome.
I just don't know why Roger would lie to Whitebeard about how to get to Raftel if there was no Raftel.
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Somehow, I don't think that any of the Shichibukai, barring Kuma, are going to listen to the WG by the EoS.
If he's there, he'll probably be an independent, or he'll be palling around with Shanks.I can actually see him with Shanks at the end of the series. Ever since Shanks lost his arm, I think Mihawk became Schibukai in order to hype his reputation and attract worthy swordsmen.
I wold not be surprised if Doflamingo takes advantage of the confusion of the final war to steal the secret weapons.
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Between Teach, Doflamingo and Akainu, who has the best chance at this title? Well, let's see.
Akainu has been the most recent addition out of these charcters and has had the least character development. However, his actions both established his position on the ideological front and made a personal connection with Luffy. But, on a storytelling level, One Piece doesn't directly come in the sphere of his interests - although he is important as the one standing against the theme of freedom. Whereas on a emotional level - he is a target for revenge and nothing more. And path of revenge isn't something I would want Luffy to go by. I see several direction Oda could go with him, but to say for certain?
Doflamingo has appeared second, and from the beginning was positioned as the most idealogically opposite opponent of Luffy. The thematic confronatation of romance and pragmatism in One Piece has always fascinated me, and Luffy's and Doflamingo's rivalry to be is the very culmination of it. But as far as the end goal of the Straw Hat adventure goes? Doflamingo hasn't ever expressed any interest in One Piece - actually, he stated his indifference - and therefore from the story's point of view, does he have a place in the final? No, most likely.
Teach has come in the spotlight first, has been developing as a character ever since and accumulated quite an amount of story weight up till now. What drives him to do it? Exactly the same dream as Luffy's - that is, to find One Piece. Exactly the same extremely egoistic nature. And cardinally different approaches - that is what sets him and Luffy apart. A personal connection on every level is what this fight is about and what makes it so fitting to be the last.
I guess, that is it. Even though Raftel isn't the final part of the story, I wonder if any character is going to stand at the same place Teach does - if any other fight will have a more personal feeling and a level of finality to it?
All of this.
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@Doke:
I just don't know why Roger would lie to Whitebeard about how to get to Raftel if there was no Raftel.
Roger didn't lie to Whitebeard. Whitebeard probably knows the truth about Raftel. That's why Whitebeard was grooming Ace to carry on the Will of D. Whitebeard added that One Piece exists before he died. He probably did that to cause even greater trouble for the World Government. Imagine… more pirates roaming the seas = WG's resources spread more thinly = more violence = higher chance for Luffy to become notorious (protecting his friends and terrority). If the Navy can't protect the people, then the people will look up to Luffy. This could cause a revolution, hint hint, Dragon and his revolutionaries.
And if Raftel exists, that's fine too, but what makes it special that it is so hard to get to? And why is it that only Roger and his crew could get there? Was it because of his D heritage? Or was it because Roger's heritage holds the key to the truth... the truth that Raftel was the location of an Ancient Kingdom destroyed by the WG. Did Rayleigh give a clue about it? "Roger and his crew + the scholars of Ohara found out the truth too soon, and they couldn't do anything about it."
After reaching the end of the Grand Line (maybe Raftel, maybe not), the Straw Hats will realise the truth and act upon it. Either way, there is gonna be a huge fight between the Straw Hats and the WG, whether Luffy will be crowned Pirate King before or after I don't know. But the WG sure seems like the final villain of One Piece. And perhaps, the most difficult one too. Blackbeard is only what? Ten people? Twenty people? WG is the entire WORLD!! How do you fight that?
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the final enemy on the road to one piece will be blackbeard for sure. but what happens after one piece is found?
the one piece is most likely something that has something to do with the blank century aka the rio porneglyph. so when they find out that the world government is in fact pure evil, the strawhats will mobilize every friend they have in an awesome war against them. (i even see theyr enemies in the war in a "the foe of my foe is my friend" - situation. so they fight all the high rank marines etc. all the cool marines like smoker and coby who do not believe in the absolute justice will fight also against the world government. so who willbe the LAST enemy?
eustass kidd maybe, because he´s kind of a rival of luffy who does not hate him, or maybe buggy. but afinal fight against buggy would just be a comic relief :D
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the final enemy on the road to one piece will be blackbeard for sure. but what happens after one piece is found?
the one piece is most likely something that has something to do with the blank century aka the rio porneglyph. so when they find out that the world government is in fact pure evil, the strawhats will mobilize every friend they have in an awesome war against them. (i even see theyr enemies in the war in a "the foe of my foe is my friend" - situation. so they fight all the high rank marines etc. all the cool marines like smoker and coby who do not believe in the absolute justice will fight also against the world government. so who willbe the LAST enemy?
eustass kidd maybe, because he´s kind of a rival of luffy who does not hate him, or maybe buggy. but afinal fight against buggy would just be a comic relief :D
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BB being the final villain can be consolidated with the WG arc by having an interesting turn of events; that is, Blackbeard would find One Piece and become the Pirate King before Luffy. This would trigger the great war, but Luffy's main goal from this point on would be to steal One Piece from Teach. This is what would set up the final battle, and in said final battle, I'm sure that Luffy would win.
[Keep in mind: this whole theory could be zilch if what Whitebeard said about Teach not being able to inherit Roger's will is true.]
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BB being the final villain can be consolidated with the WG arc by having an interesting turn of events; that is, Blackbeard would find One Piece and become the Pirate King before Luffy. This would trigger the great war, but Luffy's main goal from this point on would be to steal One Piece from Teach. This is what would set up the final battle, and in said final battle, I'm sure that Luffy would win.
[Keep in mind: this whole theory could be zilch if what Whitebeard said about Teach not being able to inherit Roger's will is true.]
I could only see Luffy trying to take back the One Piece, if Blackbeard were using it for destructive purposes. Which, at this point, is entirely possible. Actually, if Luffy defeated Blackbeard in the end and used the One Piece for its INTENDED purpose, Whitebeard's words will have technically come true.
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Well, that's an interesting theory, but it really hinges on what the One Piece is. If it really is the Rio Poneglyph, then there's absolutely no way Blackbeard can do anything with it.
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You know, I've been thinking about it for a while, and I've decided that The Strawhats will be the only ones to reach Raftel. They'll fight Blackbeard and his crew on an island right before Raftel.
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Blackbeard was shown to be the evil version of Luffy the first time he was shown.
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@The:
You know, I've been thinking about it for a while, and I've decided that The Strawhats will be the only ones to reach Raftel. They'll fight Blackbeard and his crew on an island right before Raftel.
Blackbeard will be the fight for raftel he can just follow the strathat's there and he knew about the sky islands.
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@Nex:
Well, that's an interesting theory, but it really hinges on what the One Piece is. If it really is the Rio Poneglyph, then there's absolutely no way Blackbeard can do anything with it.
the poneglyph was on the island BEFORE roger went to it but roger said he left something in one piece on the island which means he put something on the island.
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@Law:
the poneglyph was on the island BEFORE roger went to it but roger said he left something in one piece on the island which means he put something on the island.
Uh…how do you know that Poneglyph was there before hand? That's a baseless assumption.
The Rio Poneglyph always appeared to me more of an idea, 1 poneglyph that united the history of all the others regarding the void century, thus making it the missing One Piece of history.
Roger said "I have come here, and I will lead this passage to the farthest ends of the world." So to me, it sounds like Roger created the Rio Poneglyph.
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@Nex:
Uh…how do you know that Poneglyph was there before hand? That's a baseless assumption.
The Rio Poneglyph always appeared to me more of an idea, 1 poneglyph that united the history of all the others regarding the void century, thus making it the missing One Piece of history.
Roger said "I have come here, and I will lead this passage to the farthest ends of the world." So to me, it sounds like Roger created the Rio Poneglyph.
Even if that is true, there is something inherent about Raftel that the Roger pirates "interpreted", perhaps incorrectly.
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Even if that is true, there is something inherent about Raftel that the Roger pirates "interpreted", perhaps incorrectly.
It's the reason why Robin opted not to ask Rayleigh about it. She wants to come to her own conclusions.Robin chose not to ask about the Void History, not Raftel. What Rayleigh was talking about he he said their interpretation of it, was just that, their interpretation of it.
Imagine if we suddenly discovered a new journal detailing all these strange events in a time period we thought we knew everything about, only these events didn't make total sense. Well, as there's no other fact towards these events than what is written, there are going to be many interpretations of the events and what it all means.All Rayleigh meant is that Robin's, and the rest of the Straw Hat's, journey, might lead them to interpret the history in a different way, this allowing them to act where Roger and Co were unable to.
As far as we know, there is nothing special about Raftel, other than that it's for some reason difficult to locate. Maybe it's like Punk Hazard in that it has magnetic field.
Or maybe to get their, you need to have the Will of D. Maybe you need to be able to understand the seakings like Joy Boy, Roger, and Luffy are capable of. Who knows. That and the void century are the two biggest mysteries in the series.
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@Nex:
Robin chose not to ask about the Void History, not Raftel. What Rayleigh was talking about he he said their interpretation of it, was just that, their interpretation of it.
Imagine if we suddenly discovered a new journal detailing all these strange events in a time period we thought we knew everything about, only these events didn't make total sense. Well, as there's no other fact towards these events than what is written, there are going to be many interpretations of the events and what it all means.All Rayleigh meant is that Robin's, and the rest of the Straw Hat's, journey, might lead them to interpret the history in a different way, this allowing them to act where Roger and Co were unable to.
Okay, but the secrets of the Void Century are supposed to be transcribed on the Rio Poneglyph. If Roger had placed it there, at Raftel, there would have been nothing to interpret… Unless you're saying that it is just the accumulation of knowledge from the other poneglyphs. I don't know, I just don't think that Oda will use an old concept as the One Piece, which is supposed to be a total mystery until the EoS, but whatever.
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One piece itself is the key "When that treasure is found"….I don't think it doesn't exist.
I think the "you have nakama, knowledge, power, and wealth all together in one piece" theory is kinda cheesy to be honest. Been hearing that one since very early on in the series. People caught on that the treasure won't be actual treasure and the emphasis being on nakama made it very easy to assume One Piece is something is intangible.
Whitebeard's final words put the final nail in the coffin for that theory. People were right to assume that the treasure was not gold, but starting from Skypiea, it became apparent that the treasure found on Raftel has something to do with the mysterious poneglyphs. The Ohara flashback, Robins' conversation with Rayleigh, and Whitebeard's final words also lead us to believe One Piece itself is something which will bring about this great battle.
Here's the thing - the phrase "One Piece" has only been spoken in reference to the treasure. Although 4kids threw the phrase into Rogers final words, no place in the manga did Roger use the words "One Piece", yet Oda claims the title has meaning. How would the world come to name the treasure One Piece if it's simply some intangible concept one needs to experience to understand?
As for the Roger pirates being too hasty....I simply think that means there is something we have not yet seen. I have this theory called "The Roger Incident" similar to the Ohara incedent. The WG reacted to Clover's study of the poneglyphs and destroyed the entire island, civilians included for the sake of protecting this secret.
Roger was a pirate - how and why would the government assumes he possesses knowledge of the void century? It's very clear they hated Roger to the point they wanted to destroy his bloodline. They hold a level of contempt for him beyond that of a normal man and went so far as to change the name used publicly to "Gold Roger", removing the D.
Roger was still a pirate - one who couldn't even read poneglyphs. There must be some event in which he made this clear to the World Government to earn their contempt.
Basically, we know that the world somehow came to know the treasure as "One Piece", yet have never directly seen Roger use those words. We have a quote spoken by Dragon, leader of the Revolutionary army credited to Roger, but never saw him speak those words, and we know the Government knew he possessed knowledge of the true history, and it is implied the WG is aware on some level that One Piece relates to what they're trying to hide. It seems there's a key piece to the puzzle missing here.
Another thing about One Piece and Raftel not really existing...."Sky Island really did exist right? It's the same for One Piece" "ONE PIECE DOES EXIST" spoken by Blackbeard and Whitebeard respectively. This foreshadowing would be killed and honestly, it just wouldn't fit the tone of the series for Raftel, One Piece, and the True History to be non-existent. If the WG simply destroyed them...that's not a moral battle for the sake of the entire world. If Luffy attacks the world's governing body over taking a way a treasure he hoped to find, that's not a battle for the sake of the world's freedom, it's a grudge match over something personal - one we couldn't really get behind as readers. Whatever is in the true history has to motivate Luffy to action (talked about this earlier), convince the readers of Luffy's cause, and throw the entire world into chaos / war. The world finding out "hey your government did some really really evil stuff 800 years ago and now they destroyed One Piece" is NOT going to make people want war. No civilians or governing bodies will care about One Piece. Not many will be so concerned with ancient history that they will move to revolution. I mean, think about it by real world standards - our own governments have done some shady things in the past 800 years, yet we're not about to overthrow them entirely. Even the tyranny of the weak Celestial Dragons is enough to warrant reform, but not chaos / war and revolution. Similarly, the Fishmen are fighting for rights and even may potentially reach reverie. Just as in the real world, their fight against oppression as a minority group is slow and difficult. Ancient history is not going to drive Luffy into a frenzy. He's directly seen the present day evil of the celestial dragons - Hachi was shot and Sabo was killed ("killed"?). So far these present day actions haven't driven Luffy to action against them or to even harbor Revolutionary ideas. Luffy reacts to things which threaten the people he cares about. Finding out the world government committed these same injustices, or even worse acts 800 years ago is not going to make him want to remove them from power.
Let's also take a look at Clover's conversation with the Gorousei. As they discussed the true history, he was most angered by the WG's intollerance for knowledge - he wasn't angry about some ancient evil deeds they committed, which is interesting. Further, the Gorousei ordered his execution the minute they heard he knew the name of the ancient civilization. Just the name is enough for them to say "Ohara knows too much". All this tells me is that the true history is far more than some kind of ancient wikileaks detailing the misdeads of a current regime several centuries past.
I took a look at volume 12 when Dragon's introduction was accompanied by a quote from Gol D. Roger. We've heard of Roger's execution, but we really know very little about his exploits as a pirate. We know a few things about Roger:
-His personality resembles Luffy in many ways stated by quite a few of Roger's acquaintances (Kureha, Gan Fall, Rayleigh etc.)
-He could read Poneglyphs through the "voice of all things" and delivered the message of the Poneglyphs to Raftel
-He turned himself over to be executed by the World Government after becoming Pirate King
-"My treasure is yours if you can find it. I left everything I own in that place. To find it you'll have to search the whole world" - his final words that sparked the great pirate era
-Roger had a son, Ace with Portgas D. Rogue and had a close enough relationship with Garp to trust him with his unborn child
-Many prominent pirates and world figures attended Roger's execution including Doflamingo, Moria, Crocodile, Mihawk, Shanks, Buggy, and Dragon
-Roger knew the full extent of the true history and the Will of D. and explained these things to Whitebeard before turning himself in for executionSo now, what is this "Roger Incident"? Well, some questions remain from Roger's execution. Perhaps the most prominent detail left unexplained is the origin of the name "One Piece." Yes, we know it is the name of Roger's treasure, but it was never spoken at the execution (aside from the horrible 4kids dub). How did the entire world learn of this (Oda has said the name One Piece is significant)? Where was Roger's quote from chapter 100 spoken?
While discussing the True History with Nico Robin, Rayleigh mentions that "We and the scholars of Ohara were too hasty." Now, we have witnessed the Ohara Incident which resulted in Ohara's destruction. The question remains though, how were the Roger Pirates too hasty? While Roger turned himself over to the Government to be executed some time after he was given the title "Pirate King" I believe that we will someday learn of an incident in which Roger rose up to challenge the world unsuccessfully, where he spoke these words: "These things cannot be stopped. An inherited strength of will, one's dreams, the ebb and flow of the ages. As long as people seek freedom in this life, these things shall exist." This line accompanied Dragon's introduction at Logue Town where he helped Luffy escape Captain Smoker "A pirate eh? not a bad idea" I believe Dragon witnessed this event and thus Roger inspired his future life as a Revolutionary. It was through this that Dragon recognized the potential his son possesses as a pirate to change the world, thus the line "A pirate eh? not a bad idea"
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I think Akainu. It was shown in ch. 650 that, while he probably doesn't like him, that Luffy doesn't really have a grudge with Blackbeard. But, that chapter showed that Luffy really wants to get back at Akainu. Plus, Whitebeard stated in his final moments, and Oda reiterated it in an interview, that the story wouldn't end with finding One Piece. Blackbeard is that final obstacle to getting One Piece. Him and his crew are the people Luffy and the others will have to fight to get One Piece. He probably won't make it to the Final War Arc, and if he somehow does then he won't have a major role.
The Gorosei or an unknown entity who is the true power behind the WG are the only threats that could be the final villain instead of Akainu. But, Akainu is Luffy's archenemy and Oda has hyped him up a lot. It wouldn't be in Luffy's style to challenge some old guys who haven't really screwed him or his nakama over personally. Ch. 712 subtly hints that dissension is starting to grow between Akainu's Marines and the WG. A betrayal wouldn't be so unlikely. Finally, Oda puts huge value on foreshadowing and development. I can't picture him making the Big Bad and final opponent someone who comes out of nowhere. And, the Gorosei is a group of 5. Luffy wouldn't fight all of them at once but then the challenge comes of having to pick the 4 allies out of the huge cast to stand alongside him
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I like to think that the final boss is Blackbeard, but the last fight will be an all-out brawl at the reverie.
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The world council is a place where each country sends their rule, a queen/king/emperor, and the council got at least one spot for the ruler of Marie Jois. Who might that be? The head of the gorosei, all of them or a sixth person who is their ruler. That in turn would make the gorosei the royal council.
How could such a person/family remain in power after so many centuries, unless they in fact are extremely strong or got loyal blood relatives with abilites/haki to protect them.
I suspect a lot more will be revealed about the power structure of Marie Jois and as a final villain, not sure if he or she has been introduced yet.
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The world council is a place where each country sends their rule, a queen/king/emperor, and the council got at least one spot for the ruler of Marie Jois. Who might that be? The head of the gorosei, all of them or a sixth person who is their ruler.
The Gorusei are the "Supreme Leaders of the WG" I think it goes without saying they're the leaders. And as a unit rather than any particular one.
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Obviously the gorosei
Croco D. Ile yeah i said it :P
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There must be a lot more to the power structure of Marie Jois and how the world nobles are able to exert control over the world and especially why extremely powerful government officials let weak persons like the nobles tell them what to do. At least those we have seen so far.
Has Oda delved into any religious theme connected to the world government beside hinting at the name of marie jois as holy, and putting saints before world noble names.
Could it be that the world nobles exert their power through religion and a "church"?Fire is hot, so are ladies. Sorry Sanji lovers, a mera mera no mi lady will join and melt his heart 
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There must be a lot more to the power structure of Marie Jois and how the world nobles are able to exert control over the world and especially why extremely powerful government officials let weak persons like the nobles tell them what to do. At least those we have seen so far.
I honestly think the Gorusei are technically World Nobles (that don't partake in any of the elitist nonsense).
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Yah, sounds plausible.
Although I am very interested in seeing if and how Oda will delve into the religion of the OP world, if there is any that is.Fire is hot, so are ladies. Sorry Sanji lovers, a mera mera no mi lady will join and melt his heart 
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Yah, sounds plausible.
Although I am very interested in seeing if and how Oda will delve into the religion of the OP world, if there is any that is.We've kind of touched based on some religion in Skypiea.
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True, although that was connected to 1 island/kingdom, and not as far as we know, connected to the world government.
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GOROUSEI and AKAINU.
the final battle is at marijoies.
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Luffy's major fights
Law and Luffy vs Kaido - team wins
Luffy vs Big mom - stalemate
Luffy vs Akainu - Luffy wins
Luffy vs Black Beard - Luffy wins
Timeskip
Luffy vs Gorusei - Luffy winsAnd the last fight Luffy vs Coby
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Probably already mentioned
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Luffy's major fights
Law and Luffy vs Kaido - team wins
Luffy vs Big mom - stalemate
Luffy vs Akainu - Luffy wins
Luffy vs Black Beard - Luffy wins
Timeskip
Luffy vs Gorusei - Luffy winsAnd the last fight Luffy vs Coby
Luffy dies, maybe even both of them.Nope Nope. Can't see Luffy taking on Big Mama all by himself. Would take all of the Supernova alliances to take her down.
que no será fácil~
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a)even the weakest yonko should be admiral level so nobody can take them by themselves except you know other yonkou, dragon,admirals probably mihawk etc
b)whitebeard saying the world would go crazy after luffy finds one piece was not just to fill the pages the final villan would be the governments high brass aka the gorosei representing the true dream of luffy absolute freedom remember the conversation with rayleigh?Croco D. Ile yeah i said it :P
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b)whitebeard saying the world would go crazy after luffy finds one piece was not just to fill the pages the final villan would be the governments high brass aka the gorosei representing the true dream of luffy absolute freedom remember the conversation with rayleigh?
Yes, I remember the conversation with Rayleigh involving him speaking about the Ancient History with far more ambiguity than most posters seem to recall. Suggesting that while the WG are a bunch of assholes, they may have some point about letting some of the lost history stay quiet.
Meaning the true final villains wouldn't be them, but someone associated with the negative side of the ancient history that will no doubt be unleashed by the One Piece.
Luffy would have to embody the positives of what the WG was covering up.
And someone else would have to embody the dark side of that. The black side you might say. Someone already juxtaposed with Luffy perhaps.
HMMMMMMMI think the WG are long run just a villainous neutral.
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Nope Nope. Can't see Luffy taking on Big Mama all by himself. Would take all of the Supernova alliances to take her down.
que no será fácil~
Well maybe stalemate is a bit of overstatement, I think he'll be able to put up a fight against her, but then Lola will show and stop the fight.
Then Big Mom will say " You're a strong man Luffy, Ok, I'll let you go, if you marry my douther."
But luckily for Luffy Lola has already got married for some pretty guy.
I also think that BM is the weakest of yonkous, and this fight won't happen anytime soon, so Luffy will be much stronger than he currently is.(in this "theory" Lola is BM's daughter)
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i think the gorosei will be the enemies in the sense that they symbolize all the cover up in the ancient history not the enemies themselves but the denial of knowledge,freedom and choice that luffy will find bad not like the embodiment of all evil but the tale of freedom to believe in people choices instead of making them for them
Croco D. Ile yeah i said it :P
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Well maybe stalemate is a bit of overstatement, I think he'll be able to put up a fight against her, but then Lola will show and stop the fight.
Then Big Mom will say " You're a strong man Luffy, Ok, I'll let you go, if you marry my douther."
But luckily for Luffy Lola has already got married for some pretty guy.
I also think that BM is the weakest of yonkous, and this fight won't happen anytime soon, so Luffy will be much stronger than he currently is.(in this "theory" Lola is BM's daughter)
Fuck I kinda like this…
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i think the gorosei will be the enemies in the sense that they symbolize all the cover up in the ancient history not the enemies themselves
That's just it, they cover up the can of worms. And that can of worms is the ultimate reveal of the series. And if all manner of things are looked at (Rayleigh's words, how dangerous the weapons are if uncovered via Crocodile, and even the regret we saw in the Gorusei when they ordered Clover shot), that big reveal has a dark side as well as a light side.
That's how the WG are a villainous neutral, what they really seem like are people choosing stagnative control of the possibilities.
They don't want to face the possibilities because they're scared of what might happened with them, but they crush people to do that, and they also crush the chance for the good possibilities.
In a sense they're a conservative dictatorship.
But the revolution never ends with toppling the old regime. The deciding fight is who gets to define the new era right? Who gets to control the freedom and direct the possibilities.Freedom is great, but it can be incredibly dangerous. You can't fight for freedom and ignore the dark side of it.
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That's just it, they cover up the can of worms. And that can of worms is the ultimate reveal of the series. And if all manner of things are looked at (Rayleigh's words, how dangerous the weapons are if uncovered via Crocodile, and even the regret we saw in the Gorusei when they ordered Clover shot), that big reveal has a dark side as well as a light side.
That's how the WG are a villainous neutral, what they really seem like are people choosing stagnative control of the possibilities.
They don't want to face the possibilities because they're scared of what might happened with them, but they crush people to do that, and they also crush the chance for the good possibilities.
In a sense they're a conservative dictatorship.
But the revolution never ends with toppling the old regime. The deciding fight is who gets to define the new era right? Who gets to control the freedom and direct the possibilities.Freedom is great, but it can be incredibly dangerous. You can't fight for freedom and ignore the dark side of it.
Blackbeard is that dark side.Actually was just thinking about this recently. Guys like Akainu and the Gorosei kind of represent ideals that are opposite Luffy's ideals of freedom. But Blackbeard is more fitting because he represents the dark side of Luffy's ideals. Luffy fights the guys who are repressing his ideals, but then he still needs to face the consequences of his ideals and own up to the ideals he has unleashed.
Sorry if my explanation is a bit awkward, I'm not sure if it's as clear as I would like it to be
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Actually was just thinking about this recently. Guys like Akainu and the Gorosei kind of represent ideals that are opposite Luffy's ideals of freedom. But Blackbeard is more fitting because he represents the dark side of Luffy's ideals. Luffy fights the guys who are repressing his ideals, but then he still needs to face the consequences of his ideals and own up to the ideals he has unleashed.
Sorry if my explanation is a bit awkward, I'm not sure if it's as clear as I would like it to be
That's kind of what I'm thinking yeah. When you set up a character as basically "EVIL VERSION OF HERO" they're usually the biggest bad no?
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@Monkey:
That's kind of what I'm thinking yeah. When you set up a character as basically "EVIL VERSION OF HERO" they're usually the biggest bad no?
Yeah. And aside from all that, no other villain has really gotten the same kind of build up as BB. The Gorosei have been mentioned and will be important sure, but them being the final villains would probably be far less satisfying, since even if we start now, Blackbeard's had years more buildup than them.
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The problem with BB being the final villain is that One Piece isn't going to end with Luffy finding One Piece. It will just be the trigger of a global war against the World Government. However if that's the case, that would ultimately mean that BB failed in becoming Pirate King. They're supposed to be polar opposites on an equal footing but that would be undermined if Luffy accomplished his dream and beat BB to the punch. I can't see Luffy just getting to Raftel and getting One Piece with BB being in the way so Luffy has to beat him to get One Piece. However if Luffy beats him, it'll just undermine him as a villain both thematically and story-wise. You can't have a final boss villain be someone the hero has already beat once.
I think more likely, it's going to be a situation where the final two D's fight for the right of One Piece and everything it entails, the right to rule the era as it were. The age of dark ruthlessness of BB vs the age of adventure of Luffy. Luffy will win obviously and earn the right to rule the era. The final villain though has to be someone from the WG probably Akainu. Ultimately the ultimate villain to the age of romance and adventure and freedom is the WG. Blackbeard is an evil bastard but he's not against freedom or following your dreams, quite the opposite in fact. So he can't really encapsulate the ideals that are so against what Luffy stands for. The WG is a much better fit for that.
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The day Akainu killed Ace that's when it's obvious he's gonna be the last villain with WG, and this scene also nailed it more.
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dem Gorosei, of course.
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