English translations mean nothing, we need Aohige to confirm.
Valid point.
I think we all had this discussion last year sometime and Aohige commented. I dont really feel like finding it though :ninja:.
English translations mean nothing, we need Aohige to confirm.
Valid point.
I think we all had this discussion last year sometime and Aohige commented. I dont really feel like finding it though :ninja:.
The Cerberus theory is so stupid. So if someone had Hydra/Chimera Devil fruit they can also have multiple Fruits?
Wait… a chimera is a one headed animal, and there is no symbolism in it, and the Hydra just spams heads whenever one is cut off (or gets two... can't remember). Anyway, why would Blackbeard having a mythical/zoan fruit give his NORMAL body any weird effects? It's not like Sengoku walks around shining slightly :/. That's the biggest thing about the theory for me. Now at least. Thanks if anyone can answer.
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That... is an epic theory (with CP9's fruits being from 'mingo, I mean, it's Spandam so defs possible). However, I thought 'mingo could only make zoan...
That… is an epic theory (with CP9's fruits being from 'mingo, I mean, it's Spandam so defs possible). However, I thought 'mingo could only make zoan...
Those were real fruits anyway. But it's still possible; since Mingo got Ace's fruit too, it's safe to assume that this isn't the first time he "stole" a Devil Fruit. He probably usually sells them since you can get a lot of money for them, of course it's different with Ace's fruit.
I really like that theory too xP
Can he only make zoan though?
Wait… a chimera is a one headed animal, and there is no symbolism in it, and the Hydra just spams heads whenever one is cut off (or gets two... can't remember). Anyway, why would Blackbeard having a mythical/zoan fruit give his NORMAL body any weird effects? It's not like Sengoku walks around shining slightly :/. That's the biggest thing about the theory for me. Now at least. Thanks if anyone can answer.
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That... is an epic theory (with CP9's fruits being from 'mingo, I mean, it's Spandam so defs possible). However, I thought 'mingo could only make zoan...
Well, the idea is that each head of the cerberus would in turn generate a new soul or being…Kind of like, a new brain would in turn mean a new person entirely, hence Teach's multiple personalities.
So when he is in his human form, those beings or souls still exist within him.
I've been thinking about it and I think Whitebeard really caused his own death. I think this because I remember reading that Whitebeard had a "you find it you it eat policy when it came to Devil fruits. This is probably why Teach joined his crew in the first place, because logically if you stick around with an organization like Whitebeard's who's territory is vast and influential your bound to run across some interesting things while traveling with him. So instead of risking one's own neck running around in the world to find the Yami yami no mi, it was smart of Teach to bide his time and then simply dispatch of the crew member who found the fruit. He probably knew that dispatching of the person who found the fruit would be at least do-able because only people who lack DF powers would be interested in eating one.
@Superbear:
I've been thinking about it and I think Whitebread really caused his own death. I think this because I remember reading that Whitebread had a "you find it you it eat policy when it came to Devil fruits. This is probably why Teach joined his crew in the first place, because logically if you stick around with an organization like Whitebeard's who's territory is vast and influential your bound to run across some interesting things while traveling with him. So instead of risking one's own neck running around in the world to find the Yami yami no mi, it was smart of Teach to bide his time and then simply dispatch of the crew member who found the fruit. He probably knew that dispatching of the person who found the fruit would be at least do-able because only people who lack DF powers would be interested in eating one.
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Everyone has their version, so here is mine. The pair-off for the inevitable battles; I am locking it in for good or bad even though I think the "" pairs could be interchanged or team fights. If this is the wrong place to post this (I did look for a more specific tread) then kill me.
Luffy - BB
Zoro - Burgess
Sanji - Shiliew
Jinbei - Augur
Franky - Shot
Chopper - Pizarro (with baku baku no mi) Robin - Laffitte
Nami - Wolf
Brook - Stronger*
NN - Devon
Usopp - Doc Q (with suna suna no mi)
(Devil fruits added for the sake of the fanboy in me. Wouldn't he be happy if it turns out to be correct.)
Pizarro (with baku baku no mi)
Doc Q (with suna suna no mi)
You want Wapol and Crocodile to die?
I think this would be most likely at the moment, anything can happen though. After all; we don't even know their powerlevels yet .
Luffy vs BB
Zoro vs Shiliew
Usopp vs Augur
Nami vs Devon
Sanji vs Burgess
Chopper vs Doc Q
Robin vs Wolf
Franky vs Pizarro
Brook vs Laffitte
Mystery Nakama 1 vs Shot
Obvious.
Sword fight. Personally I would like the first mates to fight.
Sniper fight. I admit Doc Q would be funnier opponent for him: liar fight.
Nami is going to get the title: "the most dangerous female pirate". Im certain of this.
Straight old fashion brawl with lots of spices.
Doctor fight. There's also chance Chopper could team up with the Mystery Nakama 2, if Stronger can actually do something.
I thought about Robin's new gigantism skills and it could go well with him. Of course her clones would be funny with the drunkard too.
Pizarro's arms look like they are metallic.
Their fighting style is similiar.
Leftover.
Pizarro a.k.a. Corrupt King - Wapol, … see the connection?
I cannot see Zoro fighting Shiliew anymore, because Burgess was refered to as the 1st fleet captain and seeing Zoro fight anyone except BB's best man is ludicrous.
Robin vs. Wolf is too obvious. Nami on the other hand has been "avoiding" fights with giants (mostly absent during OZ fight, Wadatsumi also targeted her first). Also, SJWolf as in, I'll huff and puff and blow your battleship over. I can picture him playing with battleships as a kid plays with toys in the bath, while the marines experince the greatest storms (Nami weather link)possible.
While I believe Usopp will show his superiority to Augur somehow, I cannot see him winning against Augur's speed in a direct fight (I still want to see it though, Usopp is probably my favourite).
Brook vs Laffitte - Their fighting style is similiar.
Care to go on with this? Considering that we haven't really seen Laffitte fight apart from using a pistol during Marineford Battle. People matching up Laffitte with Brook just because they both have canes and top hats (Brook doesn't really anymore) is silly.
@Al!naJames:
Care to go on with this? Considering that we haven't really seen Laffitte fight apart from using a pistol during Marineford Battle. People matching up Laffitte with Brook just because they both have canes and top hats (Brook doesn't really anymore) is silly.
Well, he uses hypnotism too, that's another point for them clashing. I'm not saying it's guaranteed they will fight, but it is the most likely matchup aside from Teach - Luffy, Doc Q- Chopper and Shiliew - Zoro.
@Devil:
Well, he uses hypnotism too, that's another point for them clashing. I'm not saying it's guaranteed they will fight, but it is the most likely matchup aside from Teach - Luffy, Doc Q- Chopper and Shiliew - Zoro.
If you match up Doc Q and Chopper since they are both doctors then I don't see why you don't match up Laffitte and Nami since they are both navigators.
@Al!naJames:
If you match up Doc Q and Chopper since they are both doctors then I don't see why you don't match up Laffitte and Nami since they are both navigators.
Well, I didn't know Laffitte was Blackbeard's navigator, where is this stated? I missed it, if it's so, you have a point there. Still, in the case Blackbeard's is the last crew the Strawhats go against, I would like to see Chopper going against the doctor, we could see some interesting interactions if that was the case
PS: I forgot about Auger-Usopp, now that's a given.
Pizarro a.k.a. Corrupt King - Wapol, … see the connection?
No, not really.
I cannot see Zoro fighting Shiliew anymore, because Burgess was refered to as the 1st fleet captain and seeing Zoro fight anyone except BB's best man is ludicrous.
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@Devil:
Well, I didn't know Laffitte was Blackbeard's navigator, where is this stated? I missed it, if it's so, you have a point there.
It was first stated in table of contents of volume 46. Later in databooks Green and Blue Deep.
Does anyone think it is possible Blackbeard gained more significant crew members over the timeskip?
I also think it would be cool if some people weren't locked down to one opponent during the final fight, like they switch between each other.
@Al!naJames:
If you match up Doc Q and Chopper since they are both doctors then I don't see why you don't match up Laffitte and Nami since they are both navigators.
Also if we're going with the theme of trickery Nami makes illusions which could parallel with Laffitte's hypnotism.
Burgess used to be the Helmsmen, don't know if he still is on top of his current position however.
@Al!naJames:
It was first stated in table of contents of volume 46. Later in databooks Green and Blue Deep.
Oh, I see. I had no idea, thanks :)
@Al!naJames:
Care to go on with this? Considering that we haven't really seen Laffitte fight apart from using a pistol during Marineford Battle. People matching up Laffitte with Brook just because they both have canes and top hats (Brook doesn't really anymore) is silly.
They're both lanky, musical types who fight with cane swords, share hypnotic powers, and look like death? Its probably the most direct "Evil Opposite" between the crews. It also adds some bravado that the musician is fighting the dancer.
That being said:
Luffy vs BB (NO DUH)
Zoro vs Shiliew (the Sword guys)
Usopp vs Van Auger (Sniper duels ftw)
Franky vs Burgess (Personalities match up very well, and probably effective power levels.)
Brook vs Laffite (See above)
Nami & Chopper vs Doc Q and Stronger (There should probably be at least one 2-on-2 fight, and Chopper and Nami match up pretty well since Chopper is all melee and Nami has very little melee defense. Doc Q also seems like the sort of person you're going to beat with brains and not just a punch, like Perona or Law, and Nami's got the most potential variety in her attacks to go with Chopper's medical knowledge to counter whatever unusual medical tricks Doc Q has)
Robin vs Devon (Pretty much just the "Strong" girls fight, since we know very little about BB's new crew)
Jinbe vs San Juan Wolf (The water-based guy versus the effectively water-constrained and truly massive wolf. He's probably the only person who can go toe-to-toe with Jinbe in the water, just due to his massive size. Wolf is called "Battleship" for a reason, and seeing as he is hundreds of times larger than a normal battleship, I bet its based more on his water-fighting capabilities than his size)
Some version of Sanji and the 10th crew member versus Vasco Shot and Pizzaro (again, we don't know enough about these two guys to make a good guess, and we still have no idea who our post-Jinbe Nakama is)
who fight with cane swords
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@Drake_Cloud:
and look like death?
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I could understand why some people thought Laffitte may have a sword in his cane years ago, but after Marineford? Why would he use a pistol if was a swordsman when others with melee weapons used theirs? Don't stop believing I guess.
The mad genious pretty much summed it up for me so I can go for more serious matters:
Do you guys think Stronger's name could come from Doc Q pumping him up with steroids once a serious fight breaks?
@Al!naJames:
I could understand why some people thought Laffitte may have a sword in his cane years ago, but after Marineford? Why would he use a pistol if was a swordsman when others with melee weapons used theirs? Don't stop believing I guess.
Right, because Vasco Shot and Pizarro are of course only going to be fighting with pistols from now on, since the crew whole fighting system was established in a single page spread trying to fit 9 people behind a giant Whitebeard? They clearly can't be using anything else.
And how on earth do you not see the visual similarities between the pale-faced tap dancer and the living-skeleton musician?
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@Superbear:
Music isn't dance.
. . . And shooting a gun isn't shooting a slingshot. And a Nodachi isn't a Katana.
But they are thematically related.
And how on earth do you not see the visual similarities between the pale-faced tap dancer and the living-skeleton musician?
Visual similarities mean zilch when it comes to match-ups. Everybody thought Kaku would fight Usopp during Enies Lobby because both shared weird noses, but that ended up not being the case. Monet was pretty much Harpy Robin, but fought Zoro instead.
Same goes for similar or contrasting abilities. Chopper and Daruma both could fight through digging, but they weren't paired against each other.
Right, because Vasco Shot and Pizarro are of course only going to be fighting with pistols from now on, since the crew whole fighting system was established in a single page spread trying to fit 9 people behind a giant Whitebeard? They clearly can't be using anything else.
And how on earth do you not see the visual similarities between the pale-faced tap dancer and the living-skeleton musician?
You have a very lively imagination.
Augur, Shiliew, Devon and Doc Q used Senriku, nodachi, spear and scythe respectively. Mind you, we did NOT see Doc Q's weapon before Marineford.
Blackbeard, a confirmed devil fruit user, and Burgess, who fights with his physical strength, both used pistols, and so did Laffitte, Shot and Pizarro (questionble though, it wasn't clear in manga and seemed more like he was firing bullets with his mechanical arms, but it was shown to be pistols in anime). It's only logical to assume that the later 3 are either fist-fighters or devil fruit users (we know that at least Laffitte is).
Since Oda revealed Doc Q's weapon there is absolutely no reason why he wouldn't do the same for Laffitte.
If anything, Q's nickname is 'God of Death', he uses a scythe and rides a deadly ill horse which kinda says "YOUR DEATH FIGURE GUY, RIGHT HERE", if that was too subtle for you. Suggesting that Laffitte represents death is just… strange.
Right, because Vasco Shot and Pizarro are of course only going to be fighting with pistols from now on, since the crew whole fighting system was established in a single page spread trying to fit 9 people behind a giant Whitebeard? They clearly can't be using anything else.
And how on earth do you not see the visual similarities between the pale-faced tap dancer and the living-skeleton musician?
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. . . And shooting a gun isn't shooting a slingshot. And a Nodachi isn't a Katana.
But they are thematically related.
Laffitte At this point may not even have anything to do with tap dancing period anymore, seeing as how he has wings. Also at this point his cane unlike Brook is just a cosmetic feature. I really don't see why he can't fight Nami.
Personally I would like to see
Luffy vs BB
Zoro vs Shiliew
Nami vs Doc Q (I see her strength being more on level with him)
Usopp vs Van Augur (If this doesn't happen I'll be so dissapointed!!)
Sanji vs Burgess (This match up just seems like it would fit so well…) or Vasco
Robin vs Devon
Franky or Chopper vs San Juan (As BF-38 of course! and as Monster Chopper)
Brook vs Lafitte
I don't know where Pizarro would fit...
Though if the Strawhats get more nakama after there next one. I could potentially see Nami, and someone else (maybe Brook) taking on the members of the Fleets while the rest take on the Commanders (because if it's just one vs one what will happen with the rest of the fleet members, would they just stand there?)
And how on earth do you not see the visual similarities between the pale-faced tap dancer and the living-skeleton musician?
Sorry… I couldn't help myself... Had to illustrate.
And Lafitte gets a Owl zoan DF
@Al!naJames:
Sorry… I couldn't help myself... Had to illustrate.
Holy crap, he's so good…
Still, my only problem with the Cerberus theory is that I really don't think that what Luffy/Zoro sensed was anything to do with his devil fruit, because it just doesn't make sense that a fruit's power would manifest itself without the user doing anything. Also, it's such a weird reaction of Luffy and Zoro with the "It's not he, it's they" there's gotta be something deeper...
@Al!naJames:
Sorry… I couldn't help myself... Had to illustrate.
Wow. I'm . . . . I'm actually impressed. I'm impressed at the levels you're willing to go to insult someone who disagrees with you. That takes . . . Dedication.
I would point out the phrase "looks like death" does not in fact refer to a grim-reaper-esque "Scythe guy riding a horse", and instead refers to someone who is exceptionally pale, lean and frail, but hey, that would make way more sense than the point you're trying to mock me for.
Hahaha that picture
Not only is Alina in the right about this but she's also entertaining us at the same time. That's our most knowledgeable Blackbeard fangirl for you.
Wow. I'm . . . . I'm actually impressed. I'm impressed at the levels you're willing to go to insult someone who disagrees with you. That takes . . . Dedication.
I would point out the phrase "looks like death" does not in fact refer to a grim-reaper-esque "Scythe guy riding a horse", and instead refers to someone who is exceptionally pale, lean and frail, but hey, that would make way more sense than the point you're trying to mock me for.
See the funny side of it. No one insulted you here.
I kinda see your point and agree with you, Brook and Lafitte do look somewhat similiar but i doubt that's enough to pair them together as possible opponents.
Nami is a likelier candidate to fight Lafitte, especially if you pick the opponents by the profession
All of us seem to want to match the SH and BB pirates because they're such obvious opposites and yet the similarities between the crews are equally striking.
The problem is that Oda doesn't keep to clear patterns, but also likes to mix things. In this particular case he is even using multiple patterns, such as: similarities/opposites in character appearance, in character theme, in crew number (hopefully) and in fighting styles (for most of the characters at least). So the appearance of SH-A might be similar to that of BB pirate-A, but his theme and fighting style might be similar to that of BB pirate-B. (I love One Piece, Oda is a genius!)
Let me throw in another complication. I think the we should look at how Oda is building up to this clash form the perspective of each character. Let us take Chopper as an easy example. He has this weakness against against fire/heat, it has been shown or mentioned a lot. I think therefore that he will eventually be forced to fight one-on-one against an opponent who uses fire somehow. It can happen earlier, but if this fight is against a BB pirate, who will it be?
Nami, Franky, Usopp and Robin have also been avoiding certain elements.
@Al!naJames:
Sorry… I couldn't help myself... Had to illustrate.
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Pls… pls make a comic of me too one day.
Man personally I just love Blackbeards character, and his crew is just about as interesting and entertaining as the Straw Hats themselves. To me Teach has always felt like the most 'pirately' of all pirates. I mean the guy embodies it right down to his bones. He believes in the freedom to do whatever the hell you want (in his case really bad shit), and he believes in pursuing your dreams no matter how insane and or unattainable they might seem to other. A true scallywag, selfish, egotistical, belligerent, a liar, a cheater, a man who will do anything to gain the upper hand. He comes off as a bit of a meat head but the truth is he's rather methodical in the way that Akainu is, he's a schemer and damn good at it.
Oh and for the people saying he's somehow weak or cowardly, I call BS. Oh and I'll have whatever you're smoking please. I mean the dude injured Shanks before he even had a devil fruit. Aside from his insane abilities he seems to have a hell of a chin, the guy can take a punch with the best of them. There's no doubt he will be one of the final villains of One Piece. I'm betting that Teach is gonna end up killing Shanks before he fights Luffy. First off they already have a fighting history and generally that means a lot in One Piece. Secondly it really solidifies his power base (I think all of the original yonkou will be dead by the end) and sets him up to become a truly villainous dude and probably the most hated by Luffy.
Anyways there are a few far-fetched theories about how he's been able to consume two devil fruit powers. I think the most realistic theories so far are that Blackbeard has two hearts (it's been mentioned his body is abnormal in some way) and the other theory is that his darkness devil fruit comes with a special ability. Everything else I've read so far just seems a little crazy and would end up seeming really lame if Oda actually tried to pull that shit.
Man personally I just love Blackbeards character, and his crew is just about as interesting and entertaining as the Straw Hats themselves. To me Teach has always felt like the most 'pirately' of all pirates. I mean the guy embodies it right down to his bones. He believes in the freedom to do whatever the hell you want (in his case really bad shit), and he believes in pursuing your dreams no matter how insane and or unattainable they might seem to other. A true scallywag, selfish, egotistical, belligerent, a liar, a cheater, a man who will do anything to gain the upper hand. He comes off as a bit of a meat head but the truth is he's rather methodical in the way that Akainu is, he's a schemer and damn good at it.
Oh and for the people saying he's somehow weak or cowardly, I call BS. Oh and I'll have whatever you're smoking please. I mean the dude injured Shanks before he even had a devil fruit. Aside from his insane abilities he seems to have a hell of a chin, the guy can take a punch with the best of them. There's no doubt he will be one of the final villains of One Piece. I'm betting that Teach is gonna end up killing Shanks before he fights Luffy. First off they already have a fighting history and generally that means a lot in One Piece. Secondly it really solidifies his power base (I think all of the original yonkou will be dead by the end) and sets him up to become a truly villainous dude and probably the most hated by Luffy.
Anyways there are a few far-fetched theories about how he's been able to consume two devil fruit powers. I think the most realistic theories so far are that Blackbeard has two hearts (it's been mentioned his body is abnormal in some way) and the other theory is that his darkness devil fruit comes with a special ability. Everything else I've read so far just seems a little crazy and would end up seeming really lame if Oda actually tried to pull that shit.
A full strength Blackbeard got his ass whooped by a near dead Whitebeard tht had half his face incinerated by magma, a huge hole in his chest from a magma attack, 100s of sword and bullet wounds wiped the floor with him.
Yeah let me tell ya he totally got his 'ass whooped'. That's why he had to go all out and use his devil fruit abilities right? Not. What happened between Blackbeard and Whitebeard wasn't a fight, it was an execution of a man who was already half dead. And anyways, if anyone in One Piece could hurt any other character despite being half dead it would be freaking Whitebeard. Hello, the guy is said to be one of the 3 strongest men to have ever lived as far as we know. So umm, using the 'he got hurt by Whitebeard argument' is laughable at best. As I said, Teach managed to hurt Shanks before the Darkness and Quake fruits. Not to mention he's surely gotten much stronger physically since then, remember how he fucking smashed Aces dome and basically one shotted the guy? The proof is in the pudding.
Blackbeard is a coward in some situations, that's a fact. And he got his ass whooped to him badly by Whitebeard, he was only spared thanks to his crew helping him. But I agree with the first paragraph, he's a great antagonist.
Okay well I won't deny that one can have the opinion that he acted cowardly in a situation or two, it's a reasonable conclusion. To me though I see a man who thinks logically and understands he has limitations and understands that one wrong move can mean death. I see a man who's not willing to throw away his life like Luffy on a whim. But when it comes down to it Blackbeard will risk his life to get what he really wants and he will fight very very strong people like Shanks and Ace and won't take shit and insults from others. I mean can you really call a guy a coward when he fights people like that and commands a crew of the most wretched vicious criminals in the world? If you think of the Blackbeard crew vrs Whitebeard situation it's not all that different from the Straw Hats fighting Oars and Moria together. It was a war, the admirals ganged up on people too and the Straw Hats have done it and just about everybody else did it as well. These guys aren't honorable and gallant knights of the round table they are pirates, criminals and soldiers.
As much as I would love to go on singing "you're wrong~ you're wrong~", Blackbeard IS a coward. Although, I often try to talk myself into believing he only pissed his pants in front of Whitebeard since Newgate was obviously the main goal figure for him to overthrow and the man who he spent most of his life with, witnessing his strength and capability. Which may be the case since I don't really remember him being scarred of anybody else so far, thus we can hope. But what happend there was really… ugh. Shameful. So... um, yeah. I've got nothing. Only constant facepalming.
@NakedLunch:
f you think of the Blackbeard crew vrs Whitebeard situation it's not all that different from the Straw Hats fighting Oars and Moria together. It was a war, the admirals ganged up on people too and the Straw Hats have done it and just about everybody else did it as well. These guys aren't honorable and gallant knights of the round table they are pirates, criminals and soldiers.
And I don't think they're talking about how crew gathered up to kill him, it wasn't that low to be honest, it's not like Whitebeard was there alone, come on. But about how BB went "Zehahaha, I'm all badass now, I've got thi- SLAM -oooh-no-no, daddy please don't kill me, I'm your son, kya-kya!"
@NakedLunch:
I see a man who's not willing to throw away his life like Luffy on a whim.
Can't really agree with this though. We've seen whole crew almost die stupidly two times and Blackbead just laughed it off with "fate decides who lives or who dies, nothing we can do". If that's not throwing your life away on a whim than I don't know what is.
http://www.mangapanda.com/103-2344-14/one-piece/chapter-237.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/103-2656-3/one-piece/chapter-549.html
It's hard to tell if Blackbeard is really a coward, he seems to be more manipulative than cowardly. I really just love how him and his crew are the polar opposite of the Strawhats in how they go about things and what they value but they also have many of the same ideals and beliefs. I was surprised that Burgess was the first division captain though, I was thinking that would be Shiryuu because he is obviously Zoro's counterpart and he was the last to join (while Zoro was the first) so I presumed Blackbeard would value his strength over his bond with his crew unlike Luffy.
It's hard to tell if Blackbeard is really a coward, he seems to be more manipulative than cowardly. I really just love how him and his crew are the polar opposite of the Strawhats in how they go about things and what they value but they also have many of the same ideals and beliefs. I was surprised that Burgess was the first division captain though, I was thinking that would be Shiryuu because he is obviously Zoro's counterpart and he was the last to join (while Zoro was the first) so I presumed Blackbeard would value his strength over his bond with his crew unlike Luffy.
Shiliew wasn't the last one to join though, he was 5th, before other ID prisoners. There was at least few hours difference! Although if you count them all together…
I guess it's no use telling everyone to wait for further info before making assumptions about "ships", is it? Guys, it didn't say "divisions" or "fleets", it said "ship", come on, don't be so boring...
@Al!naJames:
Shiliew wasn't the last one to join though, he was 5th, before other ID prisoners. There was at least few hours difference! Although if you count them all together…
I guess it's no use telling everyone to wait for further info before making assumptions about "ships", is it? Guys, it didn't say "divisions" or "fleets", it said "ship", come on, don't be so boring...
I thought the translation was "1st division commander" but maybe I'm wrong? You're right I thought Shiryuu accepted the offer after Blackbeard freed the Level 6 prisoners, but I forgot he accepted it after giving Blackbeard the antidote to Magellan's poison.
I thought the translation was "1st division commander" but maybe I'm wrong?
Well, what it literally says is Jesus Burgess is captain of Black Beard's 1st Ship
The exact word was 'ship', it's different from 'divisions' Whitebeard had. Everything else is just assumptions at this point.
@Al!naJames:
And I don't think they're talking about how crew gathered up to kill him, it wasn't that low to be honest, it's not like Whitebeard was there alone, come on. But about how BB went "Zehahaha, I'm all badass now, I've got thi- SLAM -oooh-no-no, daddy please don't kill me, I'm your son, kya-kya!"
Right in the nail. That's what I meant.