@Galaxy:
At least they don't scream it twice during the episode (Full Metal Alchemist).
The opening was great,to me it just doesn't sit well with me that's all lol.
@Galaxy:
At least they don't scream it twice during the episode (Full Metal Alchemist).
The opening was great,to me it just doesn't sit well with me that's all lol.
The opening was great,to me it just doesn't sit well with me that's all lol.
I was actually referring to..
@Galaxy:
I was actually referring to..
ah I see, I had forgotten about that lol.Strangely enough I have yet to check out the Japanese version of the show, incoming silly question but: are they using the same voice for the Japanese version on the eye catchers?
ah I see, I had forgotten about that lol.Strangely enough I have yet to check out the Japanese version of the show, incoming silly question but: are they using the same voice for the Japanese version on the eye catchers?
Nope, completely different voice. There wasn't really a good reason to redub it.
Even though we will never here the whole story about what happened with one piece cancellation in 2008, I still wonder if the ratings weren't good for One Piece, why would they bring it back? Not that I'm complaining though. I just want the show to be recognized by the US masses.
Even though we will never here the whole story about what happened with one piece cancellation in 2008, I still wonder if the ratings weren't good for One Piece, why would they bring it back? Not that I'm complaining though. I just want the show to be recognized by the US masses.
I think the ratings would have been good for adult swims standards. Like, cn execs thought the ratings didn't justify keeping these anime that they didn't profit much off of.
Wouldn't it be awesome if Toonami premiered Strong World a week before the anime aired?
It'll give new viewers a taste of what to expect in the future.
I'd love to see toonami premiere it period
To those of you planning on turning every TV on in your house, watching it on CN East and West, and inviting everyone over to your house on Saturday nights, don't get too excited: remember that ratings are based on a sample. If you have a Nielsen box, do all of those things vicariously. If not, you kind of don't matter, sorry to say.
To those of you planning on turning every TV on in your house, watching it on CN East and West, and inviting everyone over to your house on Saturday nights, don't get too excited: remember that ratings are based on a sample. If you have a Nielsen box, do all of those things vicariously. If not, you kind of don't matter, sorry to say.
That's not entirely true. Toonami has said multiple times on their twitter that DVR-ing a program does count in Nielsen ratings research. So while watching it, like you said, may not count for ratings, I would highly recommend you DVR it, even if you are already watching it live (if you have a DVR, that is).
Also, Nielsen's expanding their research to Twitter trends later this year, so treading the term "One Piece" during it's broadcast will (from my understanding) count for ratings research. So I'd hop on that Twitter train too when Nielsen officially launches it.
DVR activity is only measured in Nielsen households though.
^ Not according to this http://toonami.tumblr.com/post/36805081865/dvr-counts-as-ratings-correct-do-i-have-to-watch-them
To those of you planning on turning every TV on in your house, watching it on CN East and West, and inviting everyone over to your house on Saturday nights, don't get too excited: remember that ratings are based on a sample. If you have a Nielsen box, do all of those things vicariously. If not, you kind of don't matter, sorry to say.
Neilson is actually planning on using Twitter to study ratings starting this fall though, so yeah, I'd get excited.
That doesn't disprove that only Nielsen households' DVR usage gets measured. They can't measure what you're watching on DVR without their equipment.
And I know about the Twitter thing. You can get excited about that, I suppose (it won't matter much). It's just unnecessary to watch One Piece on all 4 TVs in your house if you're not even a Nielsen househol.
Wouldn't it be awesome if Toonami premiered Strong World a week before the anime aired?
It'll give new viewers a taste of what to expect in the future.
I think it would be better to premiere "Strong World" in theaters and advertise the heck out of of the theatrical run on Toonami. Even better if those ads would also be on the regular adult swim blocks.
They did air the "Episode of Alabasta" movie's commercial during Toonami way back in 08 when FUNimation was about to put in on DVD so it's totally likely.
Hope One Piece really is Tenchi Muyo GXPs replacement.
Sooooooooooooooooooooooooon
How do you even know if you have a nielson box?
You would have simply been contacted about it long ago . Basically they would have called to take there survey or whatever.
Cool press release (kind of?) of One Piece on Toonami! It is fer sure comin' in April.
http://toonamialliance.wordpress.com/?p=93&preview=true
Never in all my years would I have imagined One Piece airing before Naruto.
Wouldnt it be awesome If Toonami aired One Piece on April Fools, even if its Monday?
"Though he did say that “it’s either going to be something like Skypiea or they might jump straight to season 4"
I really hope this isn't a final decision.
Same here, starting off at episode 1 would be a lot better…..but hey, April? Sweet, that's sooner then we thought.
When they say Skypiea, do they mean starting at the same spot as when FUNimation's dub first aired? Maybe they'll pick up where they left off, with episode 169 and the first episode with "Bon Voyage".
If they start with Season 4, I can understand as to why - and I want you to remember what Viz did with the Manga speedup as I explain it.
One Piece is likely going to be aired once per week. Starting at episode 1 sounds fantastic but to even reach Season 4 will take 4 years minimum, and by then we'll likely be in Season 7/8 if Funimation keeps dubbing it. Toonami hasn't even been back for a year. 4 years from now in TV time is an eternity.
When Viz announced that they would start playing catch-up to One Piece after lingering in the Alabasta arc all the way through 2009, they started releasing the volumes en masse between January-June of 2010, and in the Jan. issue of Shonen Jump USA, they started with the Impel Down arc. Fans of One Piece in the US wanted newer translated material, and with enough demand, Viz gave in, released 30 volumes in 6 months, and leapt right into an action-heavy arc. Through this, they recognized how far behind they were, and gave people an opportunity to financially support their efforts two-fold. Existing One Piece fans got what they wanted, and new fans would have the opportunity to start collecting.
If Toonami starts with Season 4, that gives them the opportunity to show newer dubbed One Piece, and it gives them the opportunity to advertise the Collections as well as streaming online.
Will potential new viewers be surprised that a show is debuting around its 200th episode? Yes. But how much longer are we going to hold people's hands? When Viz was still doing monthly Shonen Jump, they went from ending the Alabasta arc, right into the Impel Down arc, and for new readers or existing readers that somehow haven't read translations online, that was jarring. But as a result, we now have same-day release of the manga, the U.S. is no longer behind on it.
I wouldn't mind seeing them start at episode 1 with a fresh, uncut start, but if that means taking even LONGER to get to newer content, that's a move likely not worth taking. They'll push the streaming episodes and the DVD's. There are plenty of fans of One Piece that know these arcs like the back of their hand and will just be happy to see OP finally back on television. The new viewers have opportunities to catch up on their own time in ways unimaginable before Funimation got the rights to it.
If it starts from Season 4, at the very least I hope they can manage to get the OP 101 videos to air on TV.
If it starts from Season 4, at the very least I hope they can manage to get the OP 101 videos to air on TV.
I'm actually seriously hoping that they can find a way to do this.
The fans are going to judge it by the first episode or the first few episodes they see. Skypeia just isn't a good place to throw new fans in, regardless of its semi-importance to the series.
Episode one or season four. I'll personally be more happy with season four. …or five.
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The 101 videos isn't likely. I just can't see adult swim airing those.
Fans have neon alley and streaming and DVDs to get caught up if they want to. What the tv broadcast needs to do is hook them with good episodes so that they will go back to get caught up. HD episodes are visually more impressive. The story of water seven is very impressive. The fights in Enies lobby and the sea train are a lot of fun. Season four offers all of the best aspects of one piece. It should be best to hook them with this.
It's not like it was 10 years ago.
Almost everyone has access to the entire 1st season, and manga releases.
I just don't see the purpose of starting at episode one. If anyone wants to watch from episode one, they can do it online or neon alley or DVDs. There are too many resources available, we don't need tv, too.
I just don't see the purpose of starting at episode one. If anyone wants to watch from episode one, they can do it online or neon alley or DVDs. There are too many resources available, we don't need tv, too.
By that logic, then why put One Piece on Toonami at all? Everyone can see the DVDs or watch it online.
To see new episodes and hook new viewers with good episodes, not decent ones (beginning arcs).
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The fans are going to judge it by the first episode or the first few episodes they see. Skypeia just isn't a good place to throw new fans in, regardless of its semi-importance to the series.
Episode one or season four. I'll personally be more happy with season four. …or five.
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The 101 videos isn't likely. I just can't see adult swim airing those.
Fans have neon alley and streaming and DVDs to get caught up if they want to. What the tv broadcast needs to do is hook them with good episodes so that they will go back to get caught up. HD episodes are visually more impressive. The story of water seven is very impressive. The fights in Enies lobby and the sea train are a lot of fun. Season four offers all of the best aspects of one piece. It should be best to hook them with this.
See above, as well.
To see new episodes and hook new viewers with good episodes, not decent ones (beginning arcs).
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See above, as well.
Again, what is the point? Every show, or mostly every show, on Adult Swim has started from the beginning. One Piece shouldn't be the exception. If they want to gain new viewers, they have to start from the beginning. Not every episode after season 4 is a good one. Are they going to start skipping all the ones they think are bad? All the shows on Adult Swim have had to build up to their good episodes. All One Piece has to do is reach Arlong Park. And when I say new viewers I mean people who don't even know what One Piece is. They are not going to know where they can watch episodes online, they are going to assume season 4 is the beginning, and are going to be greatly confused if they actually decide to buy the DVDs.
Man, maybe AS should just put the thing to a vote. And then when OP premieres again, have TOM do a mini-explanation depending on where they decide to start during the Toonami bump/intro.
I know, generally, people can be very stupid, but I highly doubt people would "not know" how to find episodes of OP online in stores, or think that Season 4 is the beginning of the series. Again, if all else fails, most people just turn to Wikipedia for a quick answer (correct or not). XP
Again, what is the point? Every show, or mostly every show, on Adult Swim has started from the beginning. One Piece shouldn't be the exception.
The point is recognizing that people want to see new dubbed One Piece. Starting at Season Four would show the fans that Funimation & Toonami/AS understand this. See my point on the previous page about the Viz Manga speedup and how they went from the Alabasta arc in the Dec '09 issue to Impel Down in the Jan '10 issue.
If they want to gain new viewers, they have to start from the beginning.
How much longer do we need to hold the hands of potential new viewers to get into the show? The Collections and streaming on Funimation's site offer people a way to catch up on their own time.
Not every episode after season 4 is a good one.
This is subjective for any season, and in relation to starting at season four vs episode one, I don't feel it's a strong argument.
Are they going to start skipping all the ones they think are bad?
That's a strawman argument. I can understand why you disagree but this isn't worth discussing.
All the shows on Adult Swim have had to build up to their good episodes. All One Piece has to do is reach Arlong Park.
Toonami on Adult Swim hasn't even been back for a year and your suggestion is to do a buildup that takes 43-ish episodes, once per week? This is a bad gamble.
And when I say new viewers I mean people who don't even know what One Piece is. They are not going to know where they can watch episodes online
Commercials & Toonami bumpers.
they are going to assume season 4 is the beginning, and are going to be greatly confused if they actually decide to buy the DVDs.
Dragonball Z is originally from the middle of the manga story Dragonball, yet DBZ is what most people know and love. The first episode of DBZ/Kai even does a recap of the first series. If Funi wanted to, they can do the same for premiering it on Toonami. It's what you call a "jumping-on point".
Again, I ask everyone in favor of starting it at episode one: How much longer are we willing to hold the hands of potential viewers to get into One Piece, after we begged for years to see it back on TV, and recognizing that it would take 4 years to get to Season Four when Toonami hasn't even been back for a year?
Viz didn't hold people's hands. They listened and jumped right into Impel Down and released 30 volumes of One Piece in 6 months. Now we get same-day releases of new chapters. Starting with episode one, considering the multitude of ways people can catch up on One Piece, is a dangerously risky bet, and one you should be glad Funimation is not taking.
Man, maybe AS should just put the thing to a vote. And then when OP premieres again, have TOM do a mini-explanation depending on where they decide to start during the Toonami bump/intro.
I know, generally, people can be very stupid, but I highly doubt people would "not know" how to find episodes of OP online in stores, or think that Season 4 is the beginning of the series. Again, if all else fails, most people just turn to Wikipedia for a quick answer (correct or not). XP
Never underestimate how dumb people can be lol. If they do start at Season 4, Toonami is going to have to announce that it is in fact Season 4 and not the beginning. I will say that if they do in fact start at the beginning then they should give One Piece 2 episodes per week until at least Skypeia is done.
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The point is recognizing that people want to see new dubbed One Piece. Starting at Season Four would show the fans that Funimation & Toonami/AS understand this. See my point on the previous page about the Viz Manga speedup and how they went from the Alabasta arc in the Dec '09 issue to Impel Down in the Jan '10 issue.
How much longer do we need to hold the hands of potential new viewers to get into the show? The Collections and streaming on Funimation's site offer people a way to catch up on their own time.
This is subjective for any season, and in relation to starting at season four vs episode one, I don't feel it's a strong argument.
That's a strawman argument. I can understand why you disagree but this isn't worth discussing.
Toonami on Adult Swim hasn't even been back for a year and your suggestion is to do a buildup that takes 43-ish episodes, once per week? This is a bad gamble.
Commercials & Toonami bumpers.
Dragonball Z is originally from the middle of the manga story Dragonball, yet DBZ is what most people know and love. The first episode of DBZ/Kai even does a recap of the first series. If Funi wanted to, they can do the same for premiering it on Toonami. It's what you call a "jumping-on point".
Again, I ask everyone in favor of starting it at episode one: How much longer are we willing to hold the hands of potential viewers to get into One Piece, after we begged for years to see it back on TV, and recognizing that it would take 4 years to get to Season Four when Toonami hasn't even been back for a year?
Viz didn't hold people's hands. They listened and jumped right into Impel Down and released 30 volumes of One Piece in 6 months. Now we get same-day releases of new chapters. Starting with episode one, considering the multitude of ways people can catch up on One Piece, is a dangerously risky bet, and one you should be glad Funimation is not taking.
Ok now you're reaching. Are you seriously comparing season 4 of One Piece to Dragonball Z, which changed the title of the anime and was a timeskip and was basically an entirely different show? Season 4 is basically the middle of the show. It is continuing from season 3 and there is no timeskip. They don't compare at all. Why do you think Dragonball Z starts at episode 1 and not continuing on the episode where Dragonball left off at? It's an entirely different show.
Cool press release (kind of?) of One Piece on Toonami! It is fer sure comin' in April.
http://toonamialliance.wordpress.com/?p=93&preview=true
Never in all my years would I have imagined One Piece airing before Naruto.
http://toonami.tumblr.com/post/45793613152/a-funimation-rep-said-on-the-one-piece-podcast-that
Not sure what to think about this then.
Ok now you're reaching. Are you seriously comparing season 4 of One Piece to Dragonball Z, which changed the title of the anime and was a timeskip and was basically an entirely different show?
Yes. This is what I am comparing, if it's not clear:
What I am not comparing, if it's not clear:
I'll ask again, because answering this should not be hard: How much longer are we willing to hold the hands of potential viewers to get into One Piece, after we begged for years to see it back on TV, and recognizing that it would take 4 years to get to Season Four when Toonami hasn't even been back for a year?
Yes. This is what I am comparing, if it's not clear:
A show that featured a recap to show new viewers what they missed, i.e. ajumping-on point.What I am not comparing, if it's not clear:
The title of the anime and the subjective branding of the show being different (DBZ was still Dragonball in the manga, and Naruto Shippuden is still Naruto in the manga)A timeskipI'll ask again, because answering this should not be hard: How much longer are we willing to hold the hands of potential viewers to get into One Piece, after we begged for years to see it back on TV, and recognizing that it would take 4 years to get to Season Four when Toonami hasn't even been back for a year?
I understand what you are saying, but why does it matter if it takes 4 years or not? If you are buying the DVDs then you are already up to date. The important thing is that One Piece is on the air. If you are worried that Toonami won't be there for long, then that is not One Piece's problem. If the big 3 can't make Toonami stay on the air then there is nothing we can do about it. If Toonami wasn't sure about their future then I doubt they would have put a long running series on the air in the first place. And again I don't see why there's an obsession with having the episodes be so far if you guys are buying the DVDs.
but why does it matter if it takes 4 years or not?
Toonami hasn't even been on for a year. After all the waiting we've done to see OP back on TV, you would safely and assuredly assume that Toonami will be around in 2017 when we get to the Davy Back Fight Arc? One Piece wasn't even on Toonami that long in its original run on Cartoon Network.
The important thing is that One Piece is on the air.
Something we can agree on, to a certain point.
If Toonami wasn't sure about their future then I doubt they would have put a long running series on the air in the first place.
Toonami is investing in its future by airing an expensive show like One Piece. I am not saying that Toonami is concerned about their future, I am saying that it is rather presumptuous to think it is entirely okay to start OP from the very beginning, and not seeing anything new on Cartoon Network for nearly four years. The episodes may be uncut, yes, and we would get Laboon and Little Garden, yes, but with regards to Cartoon Network, the content presented would literally be the same episodes they aired the first time on Toonami. To CN I would not be surprised if they saw it as a waste of time (as well as Funi seeing it that way).
Starting around Season 4 shows new-to-TV episodes of english-dubbed One Piece. If people want to catch up, AS can run bumpers during the show promoting where to buy the collections and where to watch it online at their own pace. Again I cite to Viz's handling of the manga speedup in how they approached getting fans of One Piece what they want.
Starting around Season 4 shows new-to-TV episodes of english-dubbed One Piece. If people want to catch up, AS can run bumpers during the show promoting where to buy the collections and where to watch it online at their own pace. Again I cite to Viz's handling of the manga speedup in how they approached getting fans of One Piece what they want.
1. Manga is a different medium than anime. It is MUCH easier for the manga to be sped up than the anime.
2. As you said, the manga was sped up, it didn't start at Impel Down. It started at the beginning.
3. The equivalent to speeding up the anime like the manga would be Toonami airing 3-4 episodes every week, which is not going to happen. You are talking as if you want Toonami to be right where the dub is right now. If it catches up to the dub, we would have to wait until Funimation dubs the newer episodes and would bring a hiatus to Toonami.
4. You are only thinking about us folks who have been watching One Piece for years. Toonami has to think about us old folk and newer viewers as well. They need to choose the scenario that benefits one or the other. I would imagine they would choose newer viewers since we have been following One Piece for years and have seen all those episodes before (besides the episodes that aren't dubbed yet).
5. How would you feel if Viz had the manga in Alabasta and in the next be in Impel Down the next month while skipping everything in between and just telling you to catch up on your own? By reading scanlations online. That would not be fair to newer viewers of the anime as well.
Hey, guys! I have an idea!
Lets start from episode one, catch up to season four in a few years, then restart the series to help even more new fans get into it! Better yet, lets start episode one, then restart from episode one every week to help get the most fans into it! Better better yet, lets have an hour of one piece a week and have both showings of episode one just in case someone tunes in a few minutes late to the first airing of the night!
Hey, guys! I have an idea!
Lets start from episode one, catch up to season four in a few years, then restart the series to help even more new fans get into it! Better yet, lets start episode one, then restart from episode one every week to help get the most fans into it! Better better yet, lets have an hour of one piece a week and have both showings of episode one just in case someone tunes in a few minutes late to the first airing of the night!
I don't see what your problem is. It's the first time the show has been on US airwaves in years, the first time quite a few Toonami watchers will probably see it, and the first time the uncut FUNimation dub will air on US TV. It should start with episode 1.
Cool press release (kind of?) of One Piece on Toonami! It is fer sure comin' in April.
http://toonamialliance.wordpress.com/?p=93&preview=true
Never in all my years would I have imagined One Piece airing before Naruto.
That's why you don't get your news from a secondary source.
Everyone is jumping the gun:
Josh was on our show and said that they were shooting for Mid-to-late April. I wouldn't put an enormous amount of stock into it, though it's certainly good news. Judging from our discussion on the podcast though, it seems more likely they will start at Season 2, 3, or 4, and not necessarily at the beginning.
Episode 1 makes the most sense to me. It shouldn't matter what we, the fans, want. We're going to tune in either way. Besides, episode 1 isn't as terrible of a starting point as many people think it is. I'm pretty sure Luffy says he's going to kick someone's ass, so you've got that to prove that this isn't the baby version people are familiar with. And as "slow" as East Blue is, it's a heck of a lot faster than Skypiea, which some people have suggested. Skypiea proper is 43 episodes. In that same episode count we could get through Shell Town, Orange Town, Syrup Village, Baratie, and most of Arlong Park.
Now, I wouldn't entirely mind starting with Season 4. It's where I'm at personally (I'm a collection and online guy). Plus the prettiness of those episodes and fun of the Davy Back Fight would do a lot. Still, I cast my vote for Episode 1.
I'd be up for them starting at season 1 or season 4. It may take a long time to catch up if they start at season 1, but we're going to be behind no matter what anyways. Seasons 1 and 2 never even had proper television treatment, and now would be an excellent opportunity for that. If they start at season 4, a lot of existing fans would be happy. It'll be hard for newcomers to get into it, though.
To see new episodes and hook new viewers with good episodes, not decent ones (beginning arcs).
Slightly subjective. I think the beginning arcs are just as good, if not better at times.
Come on. You really think Skypeia is going to hook fans more than water seven? That's my argument. If they're not starting at episode one, start at season four.
1. Manga is a different medium than anime. It is MUCH easier for the manga to be sped up than the anime.
This is an apples to oranges argument. This has nothing to do with the speed of the releases. It has everything to do with meeting consumer demand.
2. As you said, the manga was sped up, it didn't start at Impel Down. It started at the beginning.
I don't know if you actually followed the progression of One Piece in the states, so here's what happened:
In the Manga:
Viz started out at the beginning, and took until December 2009 to finish the Alabasta arc. Then in January 2010, they skipped to Impel Down AND sped up the volume releases in order to meet consumer demand of having newer One Piece.
In the Anime, on TV:
4Kids started the show at episode one, edited heavily until around Drum Island, and continued through the Rainbow Mist arc. Funimation picked up where 4Kids left off and continued through to halfway of Skypiea (in the U.S.), and the end of Skypiea (in Australia).
Starting fresh and new at Season 4 is not at all like what Viz did. Funimation has only recently dubbed Season 4 and is starting on 5. Starting around 4 would more-or-less continue what's already been on Cartoon Network, though likely completely uncut.
3. The equivalent to speeding up the anime like the manga would be Toonami airing 3-4 episodes every week, which is not going to happen.
Of course not.
You are talking as if you want Toonami to be right where the dub is right now.
No I am not. I am talking as if I want Toonami to have new-to-TV episodes of english One Piece. Stop altering the argument, please.
4. You are only thinking about us folks who have been watching One Piece for years.
Again you are altering the argument as I never said that. I specifically said on numerous occasions that I am seeing this as a jumping-on point for new viewers. This happens in countless instances of other shows. People have all sorts of opportunities and means available to them for catching up.
5. How would you feel if Viz had the manga in Alabasta and in the next be in Impel Down the next month while skipping everything in between and just telling you to catch up on your own?
That's exactly what they did, along with announcing it months in advance online as well as in the magazine. They heavily promoted the manga speed-up volume release list. They know their market and they knew there was a demand for newer One Piece, and they met it without leaving anyone completely stranded or confused on the way.
I'll ask again, how much longer are we willing to hold the hands of potential viewers to get into One Piece?
Hey, guys! I have an idea!
Lets start from episode one, catch up to season four in a few years, then restart the series to help even more new fans get into it! Better yet, lets start episode one, then restart from episode one every week to help get the most fans into it! Better better yet, lets have an hour of one piece a week and have both showings of episode one just in case someone tunes in a few minutes late to the first airing of the night!
I like you. You get it.
Come on. You really think Skypeia is going to hook fans more than water seven? That's my argument. If they're not starting at episode one, start at season four.
People have different preferences, and imo, Water 7 is only as captivating and impactful as one's investment in the story and, especially, the characters. Water 7 is supposed to have some of the really dark, drama the series has to offer, but it's useless w/o proper context. Besides, if we start at Season 4, we'd have the DBF Arc to get through first (and some people can be very divided about that arc…I like it, personally). Jaya/Skypiea has a lot of cool and awesome stuff that not only builds up the characters, and the fights are plentiful. Bellamy's Group vs. Cricket and co., Luffy vs. Bellamy, Luffy/Sanji/Usopp vs. Satori, Chopper/Gan Fall vs. Shura, Wiper vs. Shura, Chopper vs. Gedatsu, Luffy, vs. Wiper, Zoro vs. Brahm, Robin vs. Yama (c'mon, we can't rob Robin of her first "real" batttle as a SH), Eneru vs. Almost everyone, Zoro/Gan Fall vs. Holy/Ohm vs. Wiper/Shandian Warriros vs. Nola, Luffy vs Eneru (round 1 and 2)...plus this arc has Noland's flashback...which is awesome (and I usually hate flashbacks, especially when awkwardly placed). Again, it's my opinion. ^^