If I were Sentomaru and wanted to test my defense, I'd do it against all the Yonko. Even in the extremely unlikely event that Big Mom wouldn't be able to penetrate him, one of the others might be able to.
How do you feel about One Piece having a Tournament Arc?
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@Medical:
Even in the… event that Big Mom wouldn't be able to penetrate him, one of the others might be able to.
Please, for the sake of all our sanity, keep your slash fiction to deviant-art.
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Mihawk is said to be the best but that doesn't mean he has fought all the best swordsmen around the world, example: Vista, Mihawk never fought him before until marineford and it was draw. That's what the dude is trying to say.
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MIhawk is weaker than Wano Samurai just like how Zoro is weaker than Kinemon, except you know, we just saw Kinemon seriously attacking Zoro over his sword, and Zoro was effortlessly dodging him and was pretty clearly superior. Can Formation Y never be allowed to argue about these points again? Its incredibly annoying and he never listens to anything anyone says if it goes against his own deranged fanfic
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@Formation:
You said that nobody in Wano would be able to challenge Mihawk and Ryuma is from there. He is stronger than him and would trash him. Sentomarus title is the same thing as Mihawks both of them are considered worlds greatest. Nobody else in the manga has worlds greatest title except Whitebeard. Mihawk only fought one person for the title of WSS and every swordsman didn't go for the title. If that happened Mihawk wouldn't have the title somebody from Wano would have it but they don't care about a title. Ace going there doesn't mean Mihawk went there. Where does it say in the manga that Mihawk went there or implied? Sentomaru has gone to Cake Island since he wants to test his defense and it's the greatest right? Mihawk isn't the strongest until he goes to Wano and fight every swordsman to me. Mihawk only knows one style and he doesn't know anything about katanas. Zoro getting a new Wano Sensei has been hinted at with Kinemon but their styles are the same and will probably show him a few techniques/kendo basics.
You realize Mihawk's sword is essentially an oversized Katana, right?
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According to Oda, Mihawk is the best swordsman in the world and the opposite has never been hinted at. You are pretty much saying the author is wrong.
He isn't stronger than Bogart and never will be. @Medical:
I get the whole testing of abilities thing, but why the cake island? It was never said that people there have high defense (nor was it said for any place). Unless he planned on testing his defense by seeing if he could eat a million pieces of cake without getting a heart attack?
I was using that as an example since they both have greatest titles and apparently you need to go to other places with worthy foes. @Aaronrules380:
MIhawk is weaker than Wano Samurai just like how Zoro is weaker than Kinemon, except you know, we just saw Kinemon seriously attacking Zoro over his sword, and Zoro was effortlessly dodging him and was pretty clearly superior. Can Formation Y never be allowed to argue about these points again? Its incredibly annoying and he never listens to anything anyone says if it goes against his own deranged fanfic –- Update From New Post Merge --- You realize Mihawk's sword is essentially an oversized Katana, right?
Mihawk isn't a Samurai
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@Formation:
Mihawk isn't a Samurai
Actually, he is. He was originally from Wano, and lived much of his early life there, where he trained to be the great swordsman he is today. It was only after having proved himself superior to all his countrymen that he started believing that surely, out there in the wide world, there must be other great swordsmen to challenge him. And so he set out, and has been wandering every since; but since it became known that he was the greatest swordsman from Wano, the country with the greatest swordsmen in the world, he earned the title of World's Greatest Swordsman, despite having not faced everyone there is to face.
So really, your entire argument is based on false assumptions, and falls apart entirely.
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@Panda:
Actually, he is. He was originally from Wano, and lived much of his early life there, where he trained to be the great swordsman he is today. It was only after having proved himself superior to all his countrymen that he started believing that surely, out there in the wide world, there must be other great swordsmen to challenge him. And so he set out, and has been wandering every since; but since it became known that he was the greatest swordsman from Wano, the country with the greatest swordsmen in the world, he earned the title of World's Greatest Swordsman, despite having not faced everyone there is to face. So really, your entire argument is based on false assumptions, and falls apart entirely.
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According to Oda, Mihawk is the best swordsman in the world and the opposite has never been hinted at.
You are pretty much saying the author is wrong.
I think you guys need to cut it the fuck out and stop questioning Formation Y. It's pretty clear that he is the one writting One Piece all this time but does it in secret, because of pure modesty, and luckily enough Oda is the man that benefits from it. He clearly knows factual events that we do not know of yet. Stop questioning him, it's just silly!
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@Formation:
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_liot5xZ1Kv1qev68fo1_500.gif
I apologize for the inconvenience, but like many of my kind, I'm afraid I suffer from a pretty severe case of epilepsy, and so I always run my internet with an add-on that automatically blocks any gifs and labels them for what they are.
So, could you please explain to me what was in the gif that made up the entirety of your response to me, and how it flawlessly entailed a rebuttal to my point? It truly must have been a masterstroke to be able to defeat my points which were argued directly from things we have seen in the manga, so I really am sorry to take away some of that effect from you, but I hope you'll understand, as it is such a serious medical condition.
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kinda be weird if they had a tournament with a guys goons that want to kill him and his crew.
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I would be fine with it if it made sense. I trust if one is put in, it makes sense within the context of the story.
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We've already seen a tournament/competition thingy in One Piece:Dead End Adventure film.
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I'm gong to laugh extra hard when the strongest Wano samurai gets defeated by Zoro.
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@Formation:
We still don't know the details how Ace went there but Mihawk is a swordsman and a foreigner/associated with the marines. Doesn't mean he went there. X Drake will be the strongest creature when he backstabs him :ninja Mihawk isn't the best swordsman until he fights all the worthy foes in the NW who don't care about a measly title. The only person who would know his strength would be WG/Marines but he is Vegapunks bodyguard and he is not Vice Admiral level. Zoros Santoryu style is incomplete and inexperienced compared to Samurai who have techniques/styles passed down to them for who knows how many years. Well Law is right in a sense they don't allow anybody there and Kinemon+comrades who haven't been introduced yet will guide them there. Zoro having a legendary sword isn't going to hurt either which will get him attention in a bad or good way. Sentomaru has the best defense but everybody thinks Mihawk went to Wano because of his title. It's the same thing since Sentomaru like challenges. –- Update From New Post Merge --- Sentomaru has better defense than Yonkous
Yeah Marines back at the War when Mihawk step in everybody froze even Akainu compliment him but when Sentomauro appears people were only focus on the pasifistas, nothing more. Zoro santoryu is incomplete and you're saying he will complete it in Wano, is that it? Like I said before Zoro will learn those techniques by fighting/sights not because he found a nice guy that is willing to teach him some tenchniques
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You realize Mihawk's sword is essentially an oversized Katana, right?
Really?Seems like an oversized Kriegsmesser to me
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@Panda:
I apologize for the inconvenience, but like many of my kind, I'm afraid I suffer from a pretty severe case of epilepsy, and so I always run my internet with an add-on that automatically blocks any gifs and labels them for what they are.
So, could you please explain to me what was in the gif that made up the entirety of your response to me, and how it flawlessly entailed a rebuttal to my point? It truly must have been a masterstroke to be able to defeat my points which were argued directly from things we have seen in the manga, so I really am sorry to take away some of that effect from you, but I hope you'll understand, as it is such a serious medical condition.
It's "Haters gonna hate" gif.
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a tournment would be great for me if strawhats like nami,ussop,robin and chopper get their own 1vs1 battles to shine and showcase some new moves. because they dont get to fight alot of battles unlike the monster trio. but its hard to see it happen considering the current events in manga . an admiral is on his way and doflamingo is so mad to let the strawhats have their time to fight in a tournment while he watch.
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Heck… You never know. Maybe Mihawk was taught by some Samurai on Wano, and that Samurai is still alive.
Maybe Zoro will encounter him when the Strawhat's arrive at Wano, and conversation between Zoro and said Samurai will ensue; possibly leading into some Mihawk backstory.
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I think you guys need to cut it the fuck out and stop questioning Formation Y. It's pretty clear that he is the one writting One Piece all this time but does it in secret, because of pure modesty, and luckily enough Oda is the man that benefits from it. He clearly knows factual events that we do not know of yet. Stop questioning him, it's just silly!
but it just funny! XD
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No, I don't think there will be any sort of tournament arc. Pirates don't join tournaments to get what they want, they just take it. Tournaments in manga are an overly used cliche used by authors who ran out of plot. period.
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No, I don't think there will be any sort of tournament arc. Pirates don't join tournaments to get what they want, they just take it. Tournaments in manga are an overly used cliche used by authors who ran out of plot. period.
Complete and utter bullshit. Period.
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The M3 would just easily dominate every tournament because they are 3 of the strongest beings in the world.
If there is a tournament only chopper and usopp and brook should participate to keep it interesting
What? No they aren't.
They're strong yeah, but not THAT strong yet.
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Yeah Marines back at the War when Mihawk step in everybody froze even Akainu compliment him but when Sentomauro appears people were only focus on the pasifistas, nothing more. Zoro santoryu is incomplete and you're saying he will complete it in Wano, is that it? Like I said before Zoro will learn those techniques by fighting/sights not because he found a nice guy that is willing to teach him some tenchniques
Mihawk got embarrassed by Jozu then he stopped because he's weaker than Jozu. He ran away from him like a coward but Sentomaru showed up later in the war. He wasn't focused on much except keeping the Pacifistas in check and running into Hancock. Zoro is like an Ant compared to Wano Samurai. He's weak and it's better for him to learn another Samurais style that's complete with no room for improvement since they will feel sorry for him that he has a sword but he is a joke compared to Ryuma. You can't copy a technique by looking at it this isn't Nardo. Zoro will get a new Sensei who will train him to get stronger then once he gets stronger he will get invited back to Wano . When he gets the WSS title he will be a challenge to them.
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@The:
What? No they aren't.
They're strong yeah, but not THAT strong yet.
I don't think he was serious.
There are some other issues with a tournament as well, for example Sanji getting matched up with a woman. That would just be annoying to watch.
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@The:
Complete and utter bullshit. Period.
By complete and utter bullshit, you mean tournament arcs are not used in abundence by shounen jump authors to the point of being a cliche? Im pretty sure this is true. The part about them running out of plot is a far stretch but it can also be true.
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@Formation:
Mihawk got embarrassed by Jozu then he stopped because he's weaker than Jozu. He ran away from him like a coward but Sentomaru showed up later in the war. He wasn't focused on much except keeping the Pacifistas in check and running into Hancock. Zoro is like an Ant compared to Wano Samurai. He's weak and it's better for him to learn another Samurais style that's complete with no room for improvement since they will feel sorry for him that he has a sword but he is a joke compared to Ryuma. You can't copy a technique by looking at it this isn't Nardo. Zoro will get a new Sensei who will train him to get stronger then once he gets stronger he will get invited back to Wano . When he gets the WSS title he will be a challenge to them.
What? Are you being serious? Jozu is diamond and Mihawk wanted to taste his strength against the strongest man alive and you're saying that he got embarrassed because Juzo deflected his slash, when was clearly shown that Mihawk only swing he's blade once and you said Zoro is nothing compared to Wano samurais, you reall got those Wano Samurais hyped up even though we haven't seen anything from them.
Sentomauro is nothing, he's defense is nothing, hell he panicked when he thought what Luffy can do after the time skip
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@Formation:
Mihawk got embarrassed by Jozu then he stopped because he's weaker than Jozu. He ran away from him like a coward but Sentomaru showed up later in the war. He wasn't focused on much except keeping the Pacifistas in check and running into Hancock. Zoro is like an Ant compared to Wano Samurai. He's weak and it's better for him to learn another Samurais style that's complete with no room for improvement since they will feel sorry for him that he has a sword but he is a joke compared to Ryuma. You can't copy a technique by looking at it this isn't Nardo. Zoro will get a new Sensei who will train him to get stronger then once he gets stronger he will get invited back to Wano . When he gets the WSS title he will be a challenge to them.
I'd kill to see your face once Zoro beats the living shit out of one of the samurai.
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What? Are you being serious? Jozu is diamond and Mihawk wanted to taste his strength against the strongest man alive and you're saying that he got embarrassed because Juzo deflected his slash, when was clearly shown that Mihawk only swing he's blade once and you said Zoro is nothing compared to Wano samurais, you reall got those Wano Samurais hyped up even though we haven't seen anything from them.
Sentomauro is nothing, he's defense is nothing, hell he panicked when he thought what Luffy can do after the time skip
COrrection: The only samurai we've seen is Kine'mon, who has already proven himself to be pretty inferior to Zoro. And I guess ryuuma in the monster one shot, but his most notable achievement was slaying a dragon there, so unless the real thing was vastly superior to Vegapunk's dragons, Zoro is already on par or better than Ryuuma
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What? Are you being serious? Jozu is diamond and Mihawk wanted to taste his strength against the strongest man alive and you're saying that he got embarrassed because Juzo deflected his slash, when was clearly shown that Mihawk only swing he's blade once and you said Zoro is nothing compared to Wano samurais, you reall got those Wano Samurais hyped up even though we haven't seen anything from them. Sentomauro is nothing, he's defense is nothing, hell he panicked when he thought what Luffy can do after the time skip
Nah Mihawk got played by Jozu that's why he didn't want to start a fight. He would get crushed like an ant Sentomaru has the best defense better than Prime Sengoku point blank.
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@Formation:
Nah Mihawk got played by Jozu that's why he didn't want to start a fight. He would get crushed like an ant http://oi56.tinypic.com/v4peli.jpg Sentomaru has the best defense better than Prime Sengoku point blank.
Evidence? Sentoumaru saying he has the world's strongest defense doesn't count, considering that is just boasting. Please stop making baseless accusations. Mihawk was clearly not being serious with that first slash anyways. It was a test, nothing more. And even if he would lose to Jozu, can you prove a samurai wouldn't? And no speculation. I want hard evidence that shows a Samurai could beat Jozu which means something showing a samurai cutting diamond
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@Formation:
Nah Mihawk got played by Jozu that's why he didn't want to start a fight. He would get crushed like an ant http://oi56.tinypic.com/v4peli.jpg Sentomaru has the best defense better than Prime Sengoku point blank.
Got played by Jozu.
you compared Sentomauro with Sengoku.
I'm DONE
Evidence? Sentoumaru saying he has the world's strongest defense doesn't count, considering that is just boasting. Please stop making baseless accusations. Mihawk was clearly not being serious with that first slash anyways. It was a test, nothing more. And even if he would lose to Jozu, can you prove a samurai wouldn't? And no speculation. I want hard evidence that shows a Samurai could beat Jozu which means something showing a samurai cutting diamond
Discussing with him is pointless, a waste of time
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@Formation:
For attention.
It's "Haters gonna hate" gif.
Ah, I see. Thank you, although it's unfortunate that Y needs someone else to help explain the points of his own argument.
So, I suppose it was a reference to the fact that the 'haters' of Wano, intent upon their isolationist ways, 'hated' upon Mihawk for wishing to leave and see the world, shunning him, and insisting that he was no samurai in their eyes if he insisted upon his course of action, which he of course did.
I suppose that really is a pretty good point to be encapsulated in a simple gif, Y, and I will concede the point that you really could argue Mihawk isn't a samurai, despite Wano being his birthplace. However, I question how this helps your argument as a greater whole. Even granting that he might perhaps not technically be considered a samurai, that really becomes a matter of semantics, as it doesn't change the fact that we was born and raised on Wano, and had already defeated every swordsman there before setting out to travel the world.
I suppose it's possible that someone else had since been born there that has surpassed even Mihawk; it's not outside the realm of possibility, I admit. I just don't see how it's nearly so likely as you seem to be making it out to be.
Discussing with him is pointless, a waste of time
Don't be like that, Shadow. I'll be the first to admit I don't really agree with Y, and in fact think he's completely off base on a lot of things. But I certainly wouldn't call my interaction pointless! I mean, already this discussion about whether to consider Mihawk a samurai, while admittedly rather semantic in nature, has proven quite interesting to me.
Combining that with Y's constant use of solid facts from the manga to back him up, and his masterful ability to encapsulate elegant arguments within a single use of a gif of an extremely outdated meme, and I'm finding my interactions with him to be quite stimulating indeed!
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Evidence? Sentoumaru saying he has the world's strongest defense doesn't count, considering that is just boasting. Please stop making baseless accusations. Mihawk was clearly not being serious with that first slash anyways. It was a test, nothing more. And even if he would lose to Jozu, can you prove a samurai wouldn't? And no speculation. I want hard evidence that shows a Samurai could beat Jozu which means something showing a samurai cutting diamond
Wano Samurai have Haki therefore they can cut Jozu. You really doubt Samurai can't cut anybody :laughing. @Shadowgreed:
Got played by Jozu. you compared Sentomauro with Sengoku. I'm DONE
Sentomaru has the best defense in the Marinles until he gets defeated by somebody else
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@Panda:
Ah, I see. Thank you, although it's unfortunate that Y needs someone else to help explain the points of his own argument. So, I suppose it was a reference to the fact that the 'haters' of Wano, intent upon their isolationist ways, 'hated' upon Mihawk for wishing to leave and see the world, shunning him, and insisting that he was no samurai in their eyes if he insisted upon his course of action, which he of course did. I suppose that really is a pretty good point to be encapsulated in a simple gif, Y, and I will concede the point that you really could argue Mihawk isn't a samurai, despite Wano being his birthplace. However, I question how this helps your argument as a greater whole. Even granting that he might perhaps not technically be considered a samurai, that really becomes a matter of semantics, as it doesn't change the fact that we was born and raised on Wano, and had already defeated every swordsman there before setting out to travel the world. I suppose it's possible that someone else had since been born there that has surpassed even Mihawk; it's not outside the realm of possibility, I admit. I just don't see how it's nearly so likely as you seem to be making it out to be.
Mihawk isn't stronger than Samurai and he's scared to go there because he would get played. He isn't born there the clothing he wears isn't Samurai style. Mihawk hasn't fought all of the strong swordsman but I do think he is top 10 Swordsman right now under Wano Samurai
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Your "argument" has nothing to do with this thread. Panda and Shadow, stop feeding the troll.
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Alright let me weigh in on this tournament business. First of all I don't think it will happen. Luffy and the crew in general are WAY too erratic and prone to break rules. They stuck to the rules in the Foxy Arc (which I loved, btw) only for comedic value and because the crew's pride was on the line. The same seems to go for all others who would be involved (Dofla, Law, etc). So for a tournament to occur there would need to be some excellent reason for all pirates to fight within the rules.
One possibility is someone/organization powerful/respected enough by all parties. I can't think of anyone like that. The world government and marines obviously fail because they would want to arrest pirates. Another pirate doesn't really work because it would have to be a Yonkou (Warlords don't get respect) and the participants already have problems with Blackbeard, Big Mom and Kaidou. That leaves Shanks and I just refuse to believe he would show up at this point in the story and even if he did it doesn't seem like his style to host/oversee such a formal event.
So without anyone around with enough power/respect the only way to keep the Straw Hats and others in line for a tournament would be a prize good enough that for some reason couldn't be stolen and/or taken by force. I don't see a scenario in which Ace's Devil Fruit couldn't just be taken by force more easily than won in a tournament. There would have to be ANOTHER reason, and it would have to appeal to Luffy's good side, so probably a hostage.
When it comes to hostages Kinemon's Wano friend on the island comes to mind, but I think the most likely scenario is Momosuke. He's eaten a synthetic Devil Fruit and it seems likely that Doflamingo has control of those who have done so. I suppose if Momosuke were on the line than Luffy would have to listen to tournament rules.
Also it's ridiculous to dismiss a story just because the category for it is "tournament". As long as the storyteller does a good job building his world, developing characters and writes well it doesn't really matter what the framework is, it will still be good. A story about war could be the terrible war in Naruto or it could be Slaughterhouse Five. A story about pirates could be The Adventures of Dave and Becky (
) or it could be One Piece. So while I have a hard time seeing how one would fit into One Piece, I'm quite confident that because he is a good storyteller Oda would do a fantastic job with a tournament arc and that I would love every chapter of it.Finally I want to point out that by it's very nature the Grand Line already IS a tournament.
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It doesn't matter if Oda does the tournament arc or not. I'll still find the next arc enjoyable.
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Just because the Straw Hats are one of the strongest crews doesn't mean they would win the tournament. If it's a traditional tournment, if you get knocked out of the ring you lose.
If there is a tournment it's not like it has to be the entire arc, it could just be one part of it, because I expect this arc to be pretty long, like Alabasta was.
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I hope not… If anything... let just 1 or 2 SHs fight in it and the others will do something major at this time... For example... One/Two SHs joining the colloseum to do stuff their, Law and Luffy are going towards SAD or something facing DoFla there at some point, the rest are going to save Kinemons comrade and fighting the other DoFla people
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I got this idea, don't know If somebody brought it up already.
What If the coliseum is like Sparta, they catch strong fighters and make them fight for their freedom in the coliseum, Kanjuro may be fighting for his so called freedom in the coliseum while the people in Dressrosa always go there to see the fights but you can also find kings/queens from other countries and may be Tenryuubitos as well
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I got this idea, don't know If somebody brought it up already.
What If the coliseum is like Sparta, they catch strong fighters and make them fight for their freedom in the coliseum, Kanjuro may be fighting for his so called freedom in the coliseum while the people in Dressrosa always go there to see the fights but you can also find kings/queens from other countries and may be Tenryuubitos as well
Do you know what Sparta is?
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@Стрелок:
Do you know what Sparta is?
I think he meant Spartakus.The american TV Show which is pretty much the same scenario.
Btw , i couldn't see this being a tournament arc because we already had too many "tournament" referencees in the Story and because that the story itself means competiting between each other (pirates) so its pretty much a "tournament on who will get there first thing"
Also i wanna point out some references to arena battles and tournament referenceess that we've seen throughout the series where we can see oda adding that great shonen feature in his manga in a non straight way.
Like :
In baroque works we saw the competition beetween the millions and the billios and between the agents so it was pretty much a tournament of who gets best ranking nearest to mr0.
We've seen the Foxy tourney arc of course.
We've seen Luffy in Amazon Lilly in a building just like coloseum fighting for his life and for the shake of a hostage.
We've also seen the referencee that Shakky did that the grand line itself is a tournament (just like somebody posted before).So , yes i cant see a direct tournament arc generally in the series.not that some fights can take place in the colloseum is being denied.Its oda we are talking about , just my opinion.
Sorry for my Crappy english but i am too sleepy to write this down.Regards <3
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Spartacus is not just a tv show and it has nothing to do with Sparta.
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@Стрелок:
Do you know what Sparta is?
I used to watch a serie with that name on Cinemax and they used to do what I just described with a coliseum they had.
PS: yes, I know what Sparta is
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I used to watch a serie with that name on Cinemax and they used to do what I just described with a coliseum they had.
PS: yes, I know what Sparta is
No, you obviously don't.
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@Стрелок:
No, you obviously don't.
16 character of WHY
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16 character of WHY
Because you are probably thinking of Spartacus, who has nothing to do with Sparta.
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@Стрелок:
Because you are probably thinking of Spartacus, who has nothing to do with Sparta.
I see that was the name of the show but the name is almost the same even though they have nothing to do with each other
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Am I the only one who REALLY liked DBF?
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@Lazy:
Am I the only one who REALLY liked DBF?
Davy Back Fight?
Of course not. People have been saying they liked that arc throughout the thread