As I was saying before. I just find that Volume 11 has a very weird title.
It's titled "The Meanest Evil in the East".
It was called "Greatest Evil" because it refers to Luffy and how he has the highest bounty in East Blue. Calling it "Meanest Evil" makes it sound Luffy is a jerk.
to me meanest evil sounds like they are talking about arlong. Also doesnt volume 11 end at chapter 99. I thought 11 came out in july. It went to june. Freaking sweet.
_ Originally Posted by mr.allsunday
Nice job jumping on the bandwagon there Aethos, I can only wish I was as cool as you_
"meanest" and "evil" are synonyms, so that title is redumbdant.
As I was saying before. I just find that Volume 11 has a very weird title.
It's titled "The Meanest Evil in the East".
It was called "Greatest Evil" because it refers to Luffy and how he has the highest bounty in East Blue. Calling it "Meanest Evil" makes it sound Luffy is a jerk.
I don´t see any difference really since both translations use the term "evil". If that term would be replaced by something more moderate then there would be a bigger difference between "meanest" and "greatest". However with the term evil those two terms are just secondary and hinder the reader to think it refers to a bad guy.
Isn't each Volume named after a chapter?
Greatest Evil in the East is the same chapter Luffy finds out that he has a 30,000,000 bounty on his head.
For all we know. Viz could of changed it to "Wanted" and put Meanest Evil in a chapter with Arlong.
I'm not trying to sound One Piecetarded (new term).
But I'm saying is, if Viz is trying to set out on great translations then why not exactly translate correctly. Besides Ivotas, do you even know Japanese?
I get your point now. But… I still find it weird they prefer "meanest" over "greatest".
Still makes Luffy sound like a jerk. Unless it's refering to Arlong?
As I said the term evil is the more problematic term actually because even if you prefer "greatest" over "meanest" it does make Luffy appear like a bad guy.
However the term evil well if you consider the context of the sole chapter itself. Here Luffy was truly considered as a bad guy by the Marines and got his bounty because of that.
It just is a somewhat misleading title for the entire volume because then the focus on the specific chapters isn´t given and we end up with a "it makes Luffy appear like a bad guy" situation.
With regard to the whole "r/l" issue, frankly I've just grown to accept that sometimes Viz will sometimes translate a word one way when fans do another. It may only be justified in a few cases but "that's the way the cookie crumbles".
As for the issue regarding "meanest" and "greatest", I assume it's refering to Arlong. From what I understand #11 covers some of the more darker sides of what Arlong did to Nami, i.e. the way he treated her, showing his more evil side. I feel "greatest" works better than "meanest", and even slightly feel that "meanest" could be a less mature word (when I think about it in the context of describing someone's actions, I think more of a child using it than a more mature person, but then again that's how I interperate it).
On the topics of the ASJ cover, I feel it would be nice if Luffy gets more cover time. I sometimes get the impression that One Piece has some, if limited popularity in the US and I'm sure ASJ could still get decent sales if they put other characters on the cover.
Additionally on the subject of number 11 possibly being released in June, I think that's great. I'm sure we all agree that Viz needs to release the books at a quicker rate if they ever wish to stand a chance of coming closer to where Japan is. Heck if I was running the company I'd make damn sure we caught up ASAP and put ASJ about a year to 18 months behind Japan (though this is really going off topic).
As for the issue regarding "meanest" and "greatest", I assume it's refering to Arlong. From what I understand #11 covers some of the more darker sides of what Arlong did to Nami, i.e. the way he treated her, showing his more evil side…
The title clearly refers to Luffy since it was the title of chapter 96 in which Luffy became a wanted pirate with the first bounty on his head.
"meanest evil" just sounds akward. it IS redundant.
Mean and evil aren't exactly synonyms…mean implies a malicious but petty will to do harm...evil implies an innate moral corruptness and infamy. I think someone can be evil but not be described as "mean", and likewise someone can act mean but not be evil.
I'm not trying to say that Viz chose a great description, it's just not totally redundant.
One of the things that sort of annoys me in the new ASJ is that in the "In Previous Issues…" section, they claim that Luffy's 30 million berry bounty makes him the most wanted pirate in the world, when it only makes him the most wanted in East Blue. It's not abig deal since it's not in the manga itself but it's still giving the readers false information.
I think the real issue here is how friggin LAME "meanest evil in the world" sounds, I mean christ, even 1960's Batman is too badass for a title like that.
I have a correction to make to the title. It's "Meanest MAN" not "Meanest Evil"
I apologize for any debates.
So after finding this out. This obviously refers to Luffy since Arlong maybe a fishman but Luffy is a really a man.
I think "Meanest Evil" isn't as good as "greatest evil", but it still works if you take the word "mean" to mean "That's one mean (cool) dude" instead of "That's one mean (evil) bully".
Or maybe I've been watching too much of Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure.
So after finding this out. This obviously refers to Luffy since Arlong maybe a fishman but Luffy is a really a man.
I said it before and I say it again, it never refered to Arlong because it is the title of the chapter in which Luffy gets his first bounty and is considered an evil guy by the Marines.
I don't know if this has been mentioned already, but Volume 10 is out and I bought it…thank you.
Yo, you are all welcome to kill me for this but.
I've been watching the Ranma ½ anime lately and I want to read the manga, I also hear the manga is better.
Anyone know a place I can read it online like the msn groups for one piece? And I don't care rather its scanlations or viz's.
Again, don't kill me.
Yo, you are all welcome to kill me for this but.
I've been watching the Ranma ½ anime lately and I want to read the manga, I also hear the manga is better.
Anyone know a place I can read it online like the msn groups for one piece? And I don't care rather its scanlations or viz's.
Again, don't kill me.
Its called the "other anime/manga forum".
Scroll down and you will find it.
And we WILL kill you.
Yo, you are all welcome to kill me for this but.
I've been watching the Ranma ½ anime lately and I want to read the manga, I also hear the manga is better.
Anyone know a place I can read it online like the msn groups for one piece? And I don't care rather its scanlations or viz's.
Again, don't kill me.
Seriously dude? The Viz translation is fine. But whatever money concerns. And yes, compared to the manga the anime is CRAP.
That said, die for off-topicness. Anyway, I think Viz handled smoker's appereance quite well.
Holy hell…I just NOW realized where I posted. I thought I DID post in other anime/manga. Sorry.
Ok i went to borders today and i was looking at new asj (my subscribed one is at home, Im out of state right now.) and i didnt see 11 advertised. Is it only for subscirbers because i didnt see it.
I saw a preview for 11 in a magazine called Previews.
I'll post a link to the site.
So where do you go to get your new issues. I was at Borders, then Barnes and Noble but not Tuesday and the May volume wasn't out yet. The official release date should be next Tuesday, so where are you going that the issues are out prerelease?
So where do you go to get your new issues. I was at Borders, then Barnes and Noble but not Tuesday and the May volume wasn't out yet. The official release date should be next Tuesday, so where are you going that the issues are out prerelease?
If you subscribe you get them earlier, and I guess the release date in bookstores and newsstands is April 4th.
The strange thing is that in my area, the May issue is already out at my Borders nearby. I guess different regions in the US release stuff a little differently? :molly:
That is strange. O.o I'll be going back tomorrow to check and see if they released it since this past tuesday. If it's not there yet, I shall just have to wait until next wednesday to get it.
Anybody else notice they took out the reference to god.
in chapter 99 in the scan groups sanji asks zoro if he beleives in god.
then in viz he asks him if he beleives in a higher power.
kinda the same thing but….
_ Originally Posted by mr.allsunday
Nice job jumping on the bandwagon there Aethos, I can only wish I was as cool as you_
Conis: Shhh! We serve higher power Eneru! :unsure:
Eneru? Pah.
He's so ownable.
-Any gyojin owns him because he'd short out AND DF-breakdown under water.
-Luffy's nonconductive body is the obvious one, but I'd expect the same from Mr.3.
-Wouldn't a fully-conductive body, like Mr. 1's (?) also just transfer the current harmlessly to earth?
All hail the lord of the two elements, Arlong-sama. The only one who could defeat Arlong was poor workmanship..
Bounty1Berry, you're awesome XD (ChuuxKuroobi is one of my fav pairings)
Did you ever feel a pang of sadness when Chuu wasn't in Hachi's little dream at all?
I don't know…the whole "higher power" thing is cheesy in itself in my opinion. It just walking on eggshells. It's less effective in that particiular situation.
Bounty1Berry, you're awesome XD (ChuuxKuroobi is one of my fav pairings)
Did you ever feel a pang of sadness when Chuu wasn't in Hachi's little dream at all?
o.O
Is there fanart-fanfic-dojinshi I haven't seen?
I didn't like Chuu so much.
I figure he's a late addition to the crew, because he has Arlong's seal instead of the sun symbol.
Conis: Shhh! We serve higher power Eneru! :unsure:
There is a huge difference.
In that instance they're referring to a direct noun.
In this instance its a question based around "whoa, you think something else is involved here?"
Higher power blurs the theological lines nicely, since I'm pretty sure there is no major religon that influences Sanji let alone 90% of the cast. If Bartholmew Bear says Higher power, then bad. But a question between buddies about an enigmatic happening? Well it damn well works.
Higher power blurs the theological lines nicely, since I'm pretty sure there is no major religon that influences Sanji let alone 90% of the cast.
Yeah; we really don't know that much about religion in One Piece seeing as how we've only seen a couple references to it with the single biggest reference being Bartholomew Bear and the various local deities of Alabasta.
The only other reference I can really think of off the top of my head is that we get a glimpse of the Lyneelian Bible at one point, which may even be where Bear is from.
Asking Zoro about God doesn't really make sense anyway seeing as how he's Japanesque in origin. If he believes in anything, it's less likely to be a montheistic diety than whatever the Odaverse equivalent of Shinto or Buddhism is. It's not like Sanji knows what religion, if any, Zoro is as I can't see them sit around discussing such things.
Of course, the primary reason for the switch is to avoid having Zoro tell Sanji that believing in God is silly. Hell hath no fury like a bunch of fundamentalists that apparently have nothing better to do than complain to the FCC.
If Bartholmew Bear says Higher power, then bad.
Depends on context actually.
If Bear says, for instance, "I serve God" to a World Government official somewhere down the road, Viz turning that into "I serve a Higher Power than yours" is entirely appropriate. But in most cases, God would work better though.
There is a huge difference.
In that instance they're referring to a direct noun.
In this instance its a question based around "whoa, you think something else is involved here?"
Higher power blurs the theological lines nicely, since I'm pretty sure there is no major religon that influences Sanji let alone 90% of the cast. If Bartholmew Bear says Higher power, then bad. But a question between buddies about an enigmatic happening? Well it damn well works.
That's not what I was aiming for with that illustration. Omitting "God" now, despite the various Biblical references in OP that have been and are to come, is clearly a bad omen of how Viz will treat Skypiea. "Priests", "God", and "Heaven" are all potential edits; while I agree, the context of Sanji's comment circumnavigated the relegious reference quite nicely, it was still unnecessary.
o.O
Is there fanart-fanfic-dojinshi I haven't seen?
I didn't like Chuu so much.
I figure he's a late addition to the crew, because he has Arlong's seal instead of the sun symbol.
No, not really. I was being crazy with a friend one day and she said, "you know what's really hot? Chuu." I countered with, "but Kuroobi's more muscle-y" and everything fell into place after that. And then, I decided that GaimonxBuggy was awesome, and SmokerxMomoo. Crack pairings of doom.
No, not really. I was being crazy with a friend one day and she said, "you know what's really hot? Chuu." I countered with, "but Kuroobi's more muscle-y" and everything fell into place after that. And then, I decided that GaimonxBuggy was awesome, and SmokerxMomoo. Crack pairings of doom.
Some characters just beg for crack pairings.
Bon Clay x Buggy… there's one for you. "Love the makeup, Buggy-kun... you an okama too?"
Mr. 1 x Morgan: "You know how I love sharp things..."
BonBon-chan and Buggy I've seen before, but the latter is just plain silly.
But of course, anything with Hachi is pretty good crack (unless Kuroobi or chuu is involved)
I like how we're talking crack pairings while other's are speaking of the God reference in the manga.
That's not what I was aiming for with that illustration. Omitting "God" now, despite the various Biblical references in OP that have been and are to come, is clearly a bad omen of how Viz will treat Skypiea. "Priests", "God", and "Heaven" are all potential edits; while I agree, the context of Sanji's comment circumnavigated the relegious reference quite nicely, it was still unnecessary.
But higher power IS a religous reference.
Its just a little more agnostic.
Frankly, "Higher Power" is the safest way to go. Sadly this country does have an FCC that hasn't been necessary since they invented cable and is painfully aware of this, so it's become rabid in trying to justify it's existence. Provoking them as little as possible is always adviseable.
Riding a Rhino is safer so we Ride a Hippo for Adventure!
~Bobobobo BO-bobo~
PS: I am a big fan of kittens:love:
Frankly, "Higher Power" is the safest way to go. Sadly this country does have an FCC that hasn't been necessary since they invented cable and is painfully aware of this, so it's become rabid in trying to justify it's existence. Provoking them as little as possible is always adviseable.
Yeah, good point mate.
Yeah, good point mate.
Except I don't think the FCC has anything to do with comic books… since they deal with media communication.(radio,TV,etc.)
There is nothing in the comics industry that enforces such regulations (the comics code? what comics code?).
Viz is the only one who bosses around viz.
But I really don't think that was a PC choice anyway.
Like I said, its not skirting the issue. Its just broadening its appliability, and making it more casual. The OP cast is probably going to be a pretty agnostic bunch (except for Nami as we saw), so "higher power" fits.
However if we get that with Ener, or a censor of Bear's bible. Then I will submit.
Except I don't think the FCC has anything to do with comic books… since they deal with media communication.(radio,TV,etc.)
There is nothing in the comics industry that enforces such regulations (the comics code? what comics code?).
Viz is the only one who bosses around viz.But I really don't think that was a PC choice anyway.
Like I said, its not skirting the issue. Its just broadening its appliability, and making it more casual. The OP cast is probably going to be a pretty agnostic bunch (except for Nami as we saw), so "higher power" fits.However if we get that with Ener, or a censor of Bear's bible. Then I will submit.
Well, either way, we won't be finding that one out for a very long time at the rate the releases are going.
I'm not a fan of Viz's mangas, and the translation is very upsetting at times. I don't know shit about what they're really saying, but the way the manga's tranlated makes me hear the dubbed voices sometimes.
…But I always like the feel of holding a One Piece manga in my hand and look at the golden cover to show off my friends. Unfortunately, they watch the dub, and don't give a shit about One Piece. Eh. :(
...It's too bad Del Rey didn't translate One Piece, though.
From reading page 1... I had no idea One Piece wasn't breaking sales... I thought it was going well considering the golden logo. :\ I thought that meant One Piece was selling loads, that it deserved a golden logo...
Anyway... I've only got up to volume 6 in my collection, so I need to get some cash for the next 2 or 3 volumes...
Buy the tankos then.
@Yari-Yari:
…It's too bad Del Rey didn't translate One Piece, though.
Only if Oda worked for Weekly Shounen Magazine. Del Ray -> Kondasha is the same as Viz -> Shueisha, except Del Ray hasn't grown too big for its britches and actually listens to constructive criticism. Viz doesn't give a crack (nor do I think they ever did); it's the Wal-Mart/Microsoft/Time Warner-AOL/McDonalds of manga right now. Huge and cheap.
@Yari-Yari:
From reading page 1… I had no idea One Piece wasn't breaking sales... I thought it was going well considering the golden logo. :\ I thought that meant One Piece was selling loads, that it deserved a golden logo...
Logo…?
