I think this is the smart way to pace a new series, especially if I look at some of the shonen series in jump that were cancelled or are probably about to be.
There's really no benefit comparing the pace of a Shonen Magazine series to a Shonen Jump one. Mag is about a million times less strict, and it's safe that even if this flops it'll get an okay run. Completely different editorial strategies and stuff.
@Maxy:
There's really no benefit comparing the pace of a Shonen Magazine series to a Shonen Jump one. Mag is about a million times less strict, and it's safe that even if this flops it'll get an okay run. Completely different editorial strategies and stuff.
I think you have to educate me on that since I'm not really sure how jump's editing is limited to producing generic forgettable works when it comes to action/shonen pieces. I also have a hard time imagining jump messing around with what is already good pacing. If anything I'd assume that the reason for failing of a lot of the lately pieces very much resulted from a lack of understanding(from the author's side) of how to pace and put a story together in the face of rankings and the weekly shedule. So most of the time they all try to play it way too safe.
Also how is there no benefit to comparing? If there is a substantial difference in editing methods that produces a work of very similar concepts to many of jumps shonen series and yet can be a lot more engaging I feel there is definitely benefit to compare and discuss but for now, I'm curious throw some of your knowledge at me.
I think you have to educate me on that since I'm not really sure how jump's editing is limited to producing generic forgettable works when it comes to action/shonen pieces. I also have a hard time imagining jump messing around with what is already good pacing. If anything I'd assume that the reason for failing of a lot of the lately pieces very much resulted from a lack of understanding(from the author's side) of how to pace and put a story together in the face of rankings and the weekly shedule. So most of the time they all try to play it way too safe.
Also how is there no benefit to comparing? If there is a substantial difference in editing methods that produces a work of very similar concepts to many of jumps shonen series and yet can be a lot more engaging I feel there is definitely benefit to compare and discuss but for now, I'm curious throw some of your knowledge at me.
Well the generic forgettable works comment is a matter of some debate, to be sure, but Jump editorial's process of deciding what stays or goes is very rigorous, based on a sampling of 1000 reader surveys each week. These are used to decide both the order of the table of contents and the overall popularity of the series. Even if a series has what is considered good pacing, if it doesn't match the expectations of those 1000 readers it means nothing. From there the process does have a fair parallel, with editorial and the authors discussing what to do to either capitalise on what works or to move away from what doesn't. This can go from well-executed changes like Reborn!'s switch to focusing on battles, or completely erroneous decisions, like Belmonde le Visiteur's frankly panicked change of direction to something that got just as bad a reception as before.
But that's not all I'm driving at here. Jump and Magazine have very different circulations. Jump's is around 3 and a half million copies printed each week, and Magazine's is more like 1 and a half million. This is where the change in approach is. Jump's ridiculous circulation means that the anthology is almost always the focus, and that a series that isn't competing there will perish, regardless of volume sales. I mean… If you're not One Piece, you're not selling comparable numbers to Shonen Jump. That's Shueisha's moneymaker, and that's all that matters.
Now, Magazine. Magazine's much lower circulation means that a series gets a second venue to prove itself, as volume sales become much more important. So a series can have a less competitive, more thoughtful pace to it and rake it in on the collected edition. It's a battle on two fronts that Jump doesn't allow. Hence why a lot of Shonen Jump series'll play it breakneck and Magazine or Sunday can be a lot smarter with how things play out.
Ugh, I'm meandering. I've gotta be clear, I'm not attacking anything here, just pointing out that it's often better to let a series stand on its own merits rather than compare it to a creative environment with a different focus than its own. Nanatsu no Taizai will probably work great in Magazine, if it were in Jump though... It could be a different story. It's not made for there, it's made for Magazine. It's... well, it's simple, innit. It's working where it belongs, and that's why I think a comparison doesn't benefit either side in this thing.
I dunno, Jump just kept coming up in here and I found it ill-suited to the topic when there's much more interesting things in play with this series than how it's not like a different anthology's failed titles.
(oh and on the playing it safe comment? Have you read any of the New Power Generation in Jump? Sure, none of them are action, but there's your proof that Jump authors aren't always playing it safe, having great success with four disparate series)
Ban reminds me a Thomas from The Dresden Files.
I'm not entirely sure why.
@Maxy:
Well the generic forgettable works comment is a matter of some debate, to be sure, but Jump editorial's process of deciding what stays or goes is very rigorous, based on a sampling of 1000 reader surveys each week.
Thanks that was insightful but I'm still not clear on how that relates to what I said.
I'm speaking of the swot's the bulge's and the hungry joker's or takahama something's of jump and yes that's also the reason why I was particular about action series.
I seriously don't see how those series failed because of jump's ultra competitiveness, no they were just super boring, badly executed and had no real direction of where they wanted to go all those things most likely do not relate to the editing either.
So I think it still stands that nanatsu no taizai is just a massivly more competently executed piece of work while not necessarily doing anything too original yet, which just show's that execution is still the king before idea's.
http://www.batoto.net/read/_/151702/nanatsu-no-taizai_ch10_by_red-hawk-neo/2
Chapter 10! In many ways it seems like a by the book shounen but so far it has the special something that keeps me hooked. I hope more people get into it, it seems like it hasn't generated much interest so far.
Is Hork male of female?
I hope more people get into it, it seems like it hasn't generated much interest so far.
Is Hork male of female?
Sounds like enough interest to me. :ninja:
Decided to read and got to say it's better than Magico despite the similiarites; the already strong male lead, Meliodas, is more interesting than Shion, though Elizabeth is still pretty much in par with Emma, but she has the whole "I'm the princess" thing. We'll obviously have our Joshua which is Ban.
About the latest chapter, I found amazing this page.
Gotta love that Hork, I think he's my favourite character so far in this series.
It's an okay start, but the female lead is a bit too bland for my liking. Very naive, optimistic and the "I want to protect everyone" - speeches. Maybe she'll get awesome combat abilities later?
It's an okay start, but the female lead is a bit too bland for my liking. Very naive, optimistic and the "I want to protect everyone" - speeches. Maybe she'll get awesome combat abilities later?
Doubt so, her role seems to be of a "catalyzer" for the seven sins, they interact between them through her. Oh, maybe she would be needed later for some magic ritual or something like that, but cant really see her becoming a fighter.
Chapter 11 is out.
okay… that last knight's helmet made me NOPE real hard.
Holy hell.
And chapter 12 is out as well.
I didn't expect it to happen to both powerhouses. Is Nakaba forcing Elizabeth to act so soon? I wouldn't say "no" that.
Uchihas and Aizens have really turned me off to illusion/hypnotism type powers, but this could be a really good chance to make Elizabeth useful.
Who cares about them? Ban is going to rape that girl.
Holy shit, Ban is a worse than Meliodas. He my favorite character now.
That's Greed for ya… takes what he likes, and opens prison bars like a curtain lol
Super excited about this manga!
http://www.batoto.net/read/_/153775/nanatsu-no-taizai_ch13_by_red-hawk-neo/1
Chapter 13
I lovin'n you more and more Ban, you greedy bastard!
And we already got Elizabeth's putting herself on line to help everyone. It was nicely done though.
Holy shit, that was badass of Elizabeth.
She's been a nice, endearing character but honestly she's just been protected by everyone else. Then she takes the initiative and took a giant beating to be able to do something so clever? And doing it in a cool way too. She didn't just grab the bell and sighed in relief, she spat out the bell and gave the knight the most condescending, fuck you grin. My opinion of her has shot through the roof. I'm really loving this series.
For some reason I am really enjoying this.
Its not too deep or serious, but it has a relentless energy to it.
I hope at some point in the future it gets an anime.
A decent anime.
I hate when villains reveal their plan (just… why?) but Elizabeth was pretty badass.
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Elizabeth has taken more physical damage in 5 pages than Nami has in almost 700 chapters.
And that's pretty damn sad.
Someone married their stepmom and then got murdered?
Sounds like he used a monkey paw to make a porno story come true.
Then the curse of the paw eventually killed him.
@Rogues':
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Elizabeth has taken more physical damage in 5 pages than Nami has in almost 700 chapters.
And that's pretty damn sad.
Dat last panel. Elizabeth is a Baller.
Robin was badly beaten by Spandam too.
One Piece has become a little soft since the timeskip. We may not see these kind of shocking violence moments anymore.
I'm liking Elizabeth more now. Meliodas is a bit too good of a fighter at this point, though, I'd like to see him struggle a bit more. It's not very exciting to see him one-shot fodder guys, although, it's given they're not even built as a serious threat with the whole "Ha ha! Your puny fist is no match for my super-abs!"
Abs armor is the best armor.
Seems like things will get big really fast, curious how everything will turn out to be.
Ban's personality seems like it'd lend itself to easily accruing some 'Greed is best sin' declarations down the road.
…is this the sort of thing I'd like or run and hide at?
IT SOUNDS SO INTERESTING yet that beatdown made me go 'oh. does it get more violent? I hope not...'
So this is not the succesor of magico anymore? great! because im really enjoing this manga.
Just read the ch15 raw man the series is pretty great.
! We get to see some friendly ban vs meliodas action. Seriously the group dynamic between the deadly sins is pretty fun, can't wait to see how it evolves as more members show up.
Nakaba really doesn't shy away from character development this early on. Elizabeth stole the chapter for herself and so far does extremely well to break away from the fantasy princess archetype.
Meliodas and Ban are great as well. I think it's safe to bet Baste Dungeon won't be standing by the end of this arc.
…is this the sort of thing I'd like or run and hide at?
IT SOUNDS SO INTERESTING yet that beatdown made me go 'oh. does it get more violent? I hope not...'
Not too much. Nakaba Suzuki's style is too be the most extreme and manly about his art and characters but his works still fit pretty well to appeal to cozy shonen demographic. Kongou Banchou, his magnum opus, would be a prime example of what to expect, but surely you have read that. Surely.
@Rogues':
Elizabeth has taken more physical damage in 5 pages than Nami has in almost 700 chapters.
And that's pretty damn sad.
Robin was badly beaten by Spandam too.
One Piece has become a little soft since the timeskip. We may not see these kind of shocking violence moments anymore.
…I swear, you "One Piece is not the same" people or whatever this was about.
New chapter is out.
http://manga.redhawkscans.com/reader/read/nanatsu_no_taizai/en/0/15/
If the author has a really good plan for where he wants to take the story(unlike with kongou banchou which got somewhat messy towards the end) this could become pretty exceptional in my opinion. I don't know though if it's popularity could be limited due the magazin it's published in or whatnot other factors.
But yeah again it has the foundations for something really good.
RAW Chap 16-17
http://raw.senmanga.com/Nanatsu_no_Taizai/16/
http://raw.senmanga.com/Nanatsu_no_Taizai/17/
If someone has the translation TELL ME NOW!
Sorry for the double post, but…well it has been 8 hours.
http://www.batoto.net/read/_/157746/nanatsu-no-taizai_ch16_by_red-hawk-neo
Chapter 16.
Why nobody came in 7 days?
This manga is so great.
Just clean uncomplicated fun every chapter.
Just caught up, this series has a lot of potential.
Sixten chapters into it and we already got more than enough hints for several subplots, great character development, nice armour designs and powerlevels that - despite the initial premise - don't seem to fluctuate as much as I expected.
This actually reminded me to finally complete Kongou Banchou as well.
powerlevels that - despite the initial premise - don't seem to fluctuate as much as I expected.
I don't know about that… In the last raw Greed was about to
! throw a kamehameha but was stopped by Melodias. I think we should expect crazy power scalation in the future.
I don't know about that… In the last raw Greed was about to
! throw a kamehameha but was stopped by Melodias. I think we should expect crazy power scalation in the future.
It was executed well till now, I remain slightly optimistic.
I more or less think this series will stand or fall with the execution of its subplots, though. We have tons of hints already and I could see the scope of this series getting very big. The way he handles the fact that Melodias never ages, for example.
I am also thinking about the potential role of magic in this story and Elizabeth's role as she can't stay completely defenseless forever.
It was executed well till now, I remain slightly optimistic.
I more or less think this series will stand or fall with the execution of its subplots, though. We have tons of hints already and I could see the scope of this series getting very big. The way he handles the fact that Melodias never ages, for example.
I am also thinking about the potential role of magic in this story and Elizabeth's role as she can't stay completely defenseless forever.
Is it just me, or does it seem like none of the Sins age, at least Greed and Envy don't seem that different from the flashbacks.
Just read chapter 19 and the new info sets up some potential (past)character arcs pretty nicely.
Spoiler: What it sets up
! It seems that the 7 sins basically have some of their powers from committing some kind of sin. So we may get some emotional character's past arcs.
Spoiler:Specifically about Ban and King
! The example of one such thing is of ban having killed the spring of life's holy maiden(his expression is rather dark by the mention of this so that could mean a lot of things from guilt to just having it that way for dramatic effect.). Seems like that's how he got his immortal body(which also is his other nickname) that can heal from everything. This is stuff coming from king another one of the sins that changed a lot(the fat guy) so ban doesn't recognize him.
So Hork's name is actually Hawk… pitty, I liked Hork better...
Nice pair of cooldown chapters to recover from 15's manshake between Meliodas and Ban.
Incidentally, I like to believe that the shockwave from that manshake had something to due with the domain name burp we had a month ago.
Finally new chapter out: http://manga.redhawkscans.com/reader/read/nanatsu_no_taizai/en/0/18/page/2
