I've heard that the strawhat pirates are all based on the seven deadly sins. For example Luffy is gluttony and Nami is Greed. Is this true?
The strawhats and the 7 deadly sins?
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Who'd be wrath?
Well Zoro is lazy…
Usopp is Pride...
Sanji is lust ;Ð
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Luffy would be gluttony and Nami would be greed. I'm not sure about Robin or Chopper. Which one would be wrath, and which would be envy?
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Sloth- Robin? She does lay around and read books mostly…
Pride- Usopp
Greed- Nami
Wrath- Zoro
Envy- Chopper? Maybe somehow tied in with him getting embarassed when praised for being good? Or him being so amazed when Usopp lies to him about killing seakings and what not...
Lust- Sanji
Gluttony- Luffy -
Sloth- Robin?
Wrath- Zoro
Envy- Chopper? Maybe somehow tied in with him getting embarassed when praised for being good? Or him being so amazed when Usopp lies to him about killing seakings and what not…Actually Zoro beats Robin in being Sloth because he is sleeping all the time IMO :laugh:
And while we're on Zoro, I haven't seen him go on a rampage and kill his crewmates yet so I wouldn't score him as Wrath. However Usopp has gone against Luffy but that was for Going Merry.
And for Chopper being the envious one? I don't think he has such feelings at all, he's just amazed to Usopp's stories.:happy:
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Actually Zoro beats Robin in being Sloth because he is sleeping all the time IMO :laugh:
And while we're on Zoro, I haven't seen him go on a rampage and kill his crewmates yet so I wouldn't score him as Wrath. However Usopp has gone against Luffy but that was for Going Merry.
And for Chopper being the envious one? I don't think he has such feelings at all, he's just amazed to Usopp's stories.:happy:
Zoro may sleep all the time, but he is also always one to fight and help out in situations. Minus the whole sleep through the snow thing.
Robin usually sits around reading books, which is pretty lazy over sleeping. And rarely gets in on the fighting. I mean compare to what Zoro has actually done for the crew, compared to what Robin has actually done. Minus the Zoro has been there longer factor.
And Zoro is way wrath. Just look at him at Whiskey Peak. Or when he is losing a fight.
Chopper being envy… Hard, but he is the only possible one I can see like that. Unless Usopp fits it as well. Chopper may be envious of how great all the others are in some way. Like protecting their nakama and what not.
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Wikipedia may not be the most reliable of resources, but it says that Luffy is gluttony, Zoro is sloth, Nami is greed, Usopp is pride, Sanji is lust (well, duh), Chopper is wrath (?), and Robin is envy.
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What the hell would Franky and the (supposedly) 3 remaining crew members be then? Plus there's no way envy and wrath would fit any of the Strawhats.
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Chopper or Robin have the potential to be wrath since people close to them died in particularly horrible ways. Due to these deaths, both characters can be seen as vindictive. You could even put Franky or Paulie in that category (assuming either becomes a crew member and the fact that you would have eight crew members). Chopper and Robin could each be envy for similar reasons. They have been robbed of normal lives and envy the comraderie of their crewmates. I personally do not believe that the characters were modeled after the seven deadly sins (there was a topic about this subject in the old AP forums), but if you're looking to match them to a particular trait, there certainly are enough rationales to use.
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I still say Zoro represents Wrath quite well.
When he gets angry, good luck stopping him.
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He doesn't represent wrath more than Luffy (look what he did to Arlong and Bellamy who attacked his nakama and friend), Sanji (he slaughtered Baratie customers when they pissed him off), or even Franky for that matter (caused huge damages to Galley-La after trying to avenge his family).
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Zoro actually kills though.
Didn't he kill like 200 people from Whiskey Peak?
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Zoro actually kills though.
Didn't he kill like 200 people from Whiskey Peak?
Well, it's not like Luffy and co. don't kill…it's more like Oda hardly kills anybody at all, and if someone dies, it's either a flashback or a noname-character.
Like...Zoro didn't kill Kabaji, Mr. 1, Hachi and so on...if Zoro killed so many people at Whiskey Peak, Luffy killed a lot more at EL. -
I don't think Luffy has ever actually killed anyone.
And since Luffy hits with his body, I doubt any EL people are dead.
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The guy has enough power in his strikes to punch a huge man and battle-hardened pirate like Crocodile through thick layers of rock and knock him out cold, so he definitly could kill mere soldiers like Enies Lobby's ones with a single strike, kinda like in real life if a hw boxer like Tyson punched me and my 70kgs/154lbs in the face he'd prolly break my neck.
Though I don't think he killed them, nor do I think Zoro killed the bounty hunters at WP, afterall even the guys he defeated by slashing them like Mr1 didn't die.
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Wikipedia may not be the most reliable of resources, but it says that Luffy is gluttony, Zoro is sloth, Nami is greed, Usopp is pride, Sanji is lust (well, duh), Chopper is wrath (?), and Robin is envy.
Chopper got really mad when Hiriluk died… His eyes were even red!
Robin... ... I don't know.
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The guy has enough power in his strikes to punch a huge man and battle-hardened pirate like Crocodile through thick layers of rock and knock him out cold, so he definitly could kill mere soldiers like Enies Lobby's ones with a single strike, kinda like in real life if a hw boxer like Tyson punched me and my 70kgs/154lbs in the face he'd prolly break my neck.
Though I don't think he killed them, nor do I think Zoro killed the bounty hunters at WP, afterall even the guys he defeated by slashing them like Mr1 didn't die.
I thought the marines said Zoro killed them though, and Luffy got mad and fought Zoro cause Zoro killed them.
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I'll never understand why Pride of all things, is a deadly sin. Isn't having pride in yourself supposed to be a good thing?
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lol Noone has shown me evidence that this is even sorta true, so I'll just say some FMA fan is blowing smoke until then.:P
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I'll never understand why Pride of all things, is a deadly sin. Isn't having pride in yourself supposed to be a good thing?
Well, according to the Bible, there's a difference between being proud of accomplishments and having an overinflated ego. Too much pride is evil, like Crocodile laughing about how awesome he is and no one could ever beat him ever because he's so badass. Just like Sloth and Gluttony, two other deadly sins. Eating and sleeping aren't BAD, just excess isn't right.
You aren't delving into any of the 7 deadly sins unless you actually go into excess and start obsessing over one or more of them.
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lol Noone has shown me evidence that this is even sorta true, so I'll just say some FMA fan is blowing smoke until then.:P
And Christy agrees with the admiral. Just some silly FMA fan thinking "What if?" and making everything think they're right.
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I don't know, I'm a FMA fan, and despite that, I think Oda could have done something like this. He likes to use stuff for references. Like Zoro's name, or Sanji's, or the whole civil war in alabasta, stuff like that.
Aldrich menchioned, what sins would the other future crew members be?
I kind of hope/think there won't be more. Ya, I know Luffy babbles on about musisians and stuff, but I think it's just babbling. I like having a closse net group. I was even a little wary when robin joined, but she's working out well so far. I think, if you get too many main charicters, it takes away. We don;'t need Luffy going on a pokemon quest to get crew members (gotta catch them all) :P
Just my preference though, I'm sure if more people join, I'll end up enjoying it anyways.
EDIT: not trying but this is the 3rd thread tonight that I've made the #21 post. Creepy.
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"Pride refers to a strong sense (or desire) of self-respect, a refusal to be humiliated as well as joy in the accomplishments of oneself or a person, group, or object that one identifies with.
In Christianity, pride (or vanity or arrogance) is the essentially competitive and excessive belief in one's own abilities that interferes with the individual's recognition of the grace of God, or the worth which God sees in others. It has been called the sin from which all others arise. Pride is listed as one of the seven deadly sins, as superbia."
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What the hell would Franky and the (supposedly) 3 remaining crew members be then? Plus there's no way envy and wrath would fit any of the Strawhats.
My thoughts exactly…
Plus, I really don't see any of them exhibiting envy or wrath. The other 5 just happen to be shining examples of those 5 sins. :)
BTW on the issue of the seven deadly sins....I don't think they're ever listed in the bible like that, someone just came up with that later. I'm not saying those aren't sins...although some need qualifications. The pride that is bad is the type of pride in one thinks of himself above others and especially above God, not just simply feeling accomplished ("I'm proud of this work")
Edit: eh, Charlett and shishou covered that. XD
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The fact that some Straw Hats exhibit some deadly sins isn't that weird, just because those are character flaws/quirks that are really commonly used. Goku ate a ton, just like Luffy; Master Roshi was a horny bastard, like Sanji; Krillin (in Dragonball, anyway) was both envious of Goku and lazy as hell. Piccolo was wrath (Dragonball, not DBZ), Vegeta was pride. Bulma was pretty greedy, if I recall. But these guys were in no way symbolizing anything, even though they were all in the same story(s) and were all relatively important characters. Most common character flaws are just from a deadly sin because it makes a character more realistic - most everyday people exhibit at least one of these sins.
By the way, sorry for the overdosing of the Dragonball analogy. But really, it's the only anime besides OP I ever got into, even if it was years and years ago.