I just remembered that Buggy should know how to get to raftel too…....
He also knows about the void century, which is even more surprising considering he really has no interest outside of money.
I just remembered that Buggy should know how to get to raftel too…....
He also knows about the void century, which is even more surprising considering he really has no interest outside of money.
In a way, One Piece is just an excuse to make a great story about an adventure. Right now no one is questioning where Luffy going, because there's a solid objective; Raftel. Everyone knows where he's heading, and as long as he's moving onwards in Grand Line he's approaching his goal. This enables the author with endless possibilities considering we know nothing about the world ahead. So right now to me One Piece is just a distant thing that is kind of a big deal to everyone, but no one really pays too much attention to it. It's also an easy way to equip villains with a goal. Every once in a while someone mentions how they're going to become Pirate King, but that's about it. There's not much going on about the actual goal of the series, instead we're all focused on the really interesting side story. Which is practically everything. Nothing is directly related to getting to Raftel, but at the same time they're making progress.
So yeah, the main theme is getting to the final island and finding a great treasure, however abstarct it may be. Note that this alone isn't interesting. What makes it interesting is the fact we're reading the greatest story ever told even though it isn't really about the treasure at all.
Among other things, it's about the polarisation between the "righteous" World Government and "evil" pirates that aren't that bad in the end, at least all of them. Compared to the real world where pirates pillaged and spread terror, Luffy, WB, Shanks and the likes don't care about killing or raping all that much. What they strive for would seem to be an adventure or something else and that isn't something they should be judged for. How I see the whole pirate concept is, that it's a rebel against the rules of the society and the fact that there's something really wrong with the current world order. Luffy doesn't care if being a pirate is illegal, what he cares about is the adventure. World Government on the other hand has a problem with someone finding One Piece, thus there's going to be conflicts between these two.
I kind of see Law as the kind of guy who wants to get his hands on the One Piece because WG has such a huge problem with it. Not because he wants to be a Pirate King. I see him that way because I think it'd fit his character and the situation with Luffy better, but also because I find those aspects much more interesting than becoming the PK.
The pirate world right now isn't really going after the One Piece, even though many dream about it. The yonkou are stuck because they're about as powerful, I suppose. Maybe I'm totally wrong about this and there's different reasons for it not been found yet. Maybe it's just really hard to find Raftel, and they're all spending their spare time to try to find the god damn island.
No matter why it's not been found, powerful pirates like DD aren't even close to the end of Grand Line although they want to find the treasure. There's something holding him back from just going to Raftel, obviously, as is everyone else. Since there's a dilemma with it, I don't feel like it's currently relevant who's going after it or isn't. Luffy and Law are going to take down the most powerful enemies, because they have to do that at some point anyway. I'm happy as long as we get more information about the things that interest me, which is the One Piece world as a whole, along with great fights.
What I'm trying to say is, that even though almost everyone wants to find the treasure, it's not about finding the treasure right now.
@Tom:
In a way, One Piece is just an excuse to make a great story about an adventure. Right now no one is questioning where Luffy going, because there's a solid objective; Raftel. Everyone knows where he's heading, and as long as he's moving onwards in Grand Line he's approaching his goal. This enables the author with endless possibilities considering we know nothing about the world ahead. So right now to me One Piece is just a distant thing that is kind of a big deal to everyone, but no one really pays too much attention to it. It's also an easy way to equip villains with a goal. Every once in a while someone mentions how they're going to become Pirate King, but that's about it. There's not much going on about the actual goal of the series, instead we're all focused on the really interesting side story. Which is practically everything. Nothing is directly related to getting to Raftel, but at the same time they're making progress.
So yeah, the main theme is getting to the final island and finding a great treasure, however abstarct it may be. Note that this alone isn't interesting. What makes it interesting is the fact we're reading the greatest story ever told even though it isn't really about the treasure at all.
Among other things, it's about the polarisation between the "righteous" World Government and "evil" pirates that aren't that bad in the end, at least all of them. Compared to the real world where pirates pillaged and spread terror, Luffy, WB, Shanks and the likes don't care about killing or raping all that much. What they strive for would seem to be an adventure or something else and that isn't something they should be judged for. How I see the whole pirate concept is, that it's a rebel against the rules of the society and the fact that there's something really wrong with the current world order. Luffy doesn't care if being a pirate is illegal, what he cares about is the adventure. World Government on the other hand has a problem with someone finding One Piece, thus there's going to be conflicts between these two.
I kind of see Law as the kind of guy who wants to get his hands on the One Piece because WG has such a huge problem with it. Not because he wants to be a Pirate King. I see him that way because I think it'd fit his character and the situation with Luffy better, but also because I find those aspects much more interesting than becoming the PK.
The pirate world right now isn't really going after the One Piece, even though many dream about it. The yonkou are stuck because they're about as powerful, I suppose. Maybe I'm totally wrong about this and there's different reasons for it not been found yet. Maybe it's just really hard to find Raftel, and they're all spending their spare time to try to find the god damn island.
No matter why it's not been found, powerful pirates like DD aren't even close to the end of Grand Line although they want to find the treasure. There's something holding him back from just going to Raftel, obviously, as is everyone else. Since there's a dilemma with it, I don't feel like it's currently relevant who's going after it or isn't. Luffy and Law are going to take down the most powerful enemies, because they have to do that at some point anyway. I'm happy as long as we get more information about the things that interest me, which is the One Piece world as a whole, along with great fights.
What I'm trying to say is, that even though almost everyone wants to find the treasure, it's not about finding the treasure right now.
Couldn't agree more with what you have mentioned mate.That's some interesting points you have raised there.I have always wondered why no one has found the one piece treasure for so long. I am sure it has been more than 20 years since Roger died( Watch the conversation between shanks and whitebeard "Episode 314") and the only ones who know the treasure's location would be the Roger Pirates. So theoretically speaking, no one has found the treasure for more 20 years. We also know the location of the Rio Phoneglyph is also at Raftel. So, What if the location to raftel is inscribed on one of the phoneglyph.Since roger could read the phoneglyph as he could "hear the voices of all things" that could explain why roger made his way to the raftel and the other pirates were not till this day as they could not decipher writtings on the phoneglyph. Hence, the treasure remains hidden for years.( Well, this is only a theory. So yeah…)
if that group is going to take down a yonkou soon they have to be too strong for him law or luffy should be strong enough
I don't see them taking down a Yonkou 'soon' and I don't think Luffy will be able to go 1 on 1 with a Yonkou level until SH pirates vs BB pirates at the end of the series. Also since the Shichibukai unlike the Yonkou are not equal in power level, Dofla could've potentially have been a Yonkou and that's why the WG made him a Shichibukai (out of fear). That said I'd be disappointed if Luffy can take down Dofla without at least either him and Law or the Big 3 of the SHs.
no more revolution please. we already got that in arabasta. anyone read the monster/ryuma one shot? what's the main problem there? he was in wano right?
I agree! I don't want to see any more nation wide revolts. Especially since we'll get plenty of those when Dragon decides to make his move.
Wano and Big Mom are in a conflict.
Wano and Big Mom are in a conflict.
why would you think that ? because wano possibly doesn't like candy ? :S
why would you think that ? because wano possibly doesn't like candy ? :S
Probably because of the entire country that was 'baked' mentioned on this page:http://www.batoto.net/read/_/121685/one-piece_v66_ch651_by_mangarule/12
could be Wano. Explaining the famine that some have theorised is the reason why Momo is so reluctant to eat.
I believe for the past 2 years, Luffy has gotten strong enough to actually be almost as strong as a yonkou. When you see a see a Shichibukai's crew being beaten so easily by the SH's when 2 years ago, some of them were so close to die. Of course, I could be wrong. But if DD fights Luffy and gets beaten without Luffy having to go through a near-death experience like he had against Crocodile, Lucci and Moria, then in that case, Luffy's ready to fight the yonkou. Not to mention he seems pretty confident in taking all of them down (even though he could just be the same reckless guy as usual, as seen against Crocodile, Moria and in Marineford).
Sanji and especially Zoro must have made some huge improvements during the time-skip, and I'm eager to see what they have to show against the higher-ups of the New World. One thing is certain: until the SH pirates find a real test, we can't be sure.
May I ask where you guys are gettng a lot of the information on Wano? I dont remember seeing anything about Wano being in conflict, or that it is bases on the Tokugawa period. In fact, the only thing I remember hearing about Wano is that Kinemon and Momo are from Wano. I was also under the impression that Momo was kidnapped and Kinemon left Wano to retrieve him…?
May I ask where you guys are gettng a lot of the information on Wano? I dont remember seeing anything about Wano being in conflict, or that it is bases on the Tokugawa period. In fact, the only thing I remember hearing about Wano is that Kinemon and Momo are from Wano. I was also under the impression that Momo was kidnapped and Kinemon left Wano to retrieve him…?
A lot of what we are saying is speculation. But Wano is based on Tokugawa-era Japan because Wano has the same closed door policy that Japan had.
Ryuma is also from Wano if you didn't remember.
When was it said that Wano has a closed door policy?
Oh cool! Thanks dude!
The fact that Buggy has no interest in One Piece whatsoever pretty much tells you it's not a valuable treasure, at least not to everyone…
Off-topic post but I want to see Oda reveal some high bounties in this arc intermission, bunch of guys with 450+ bounties would be cool, I'm also hoping for those news and everyone around the world reactions shots.
@Fire Fist:
The fact that Buggy has no interest in One Piece whatsoever pretty much tells you it's not a valuable treasure, at least not to everyone…
Well Buggy probably doesn't know what it is even if he was in Roger crew.
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About Wano no idea, I guess we aren't discussing much because we dont know much about it yet, I'm really liking Kinemon and Momonosuke and I do like samurais so an arc there would be cool but I'm not sure its coming rigth now and if it does I guess it migth be a smaller arc atleat I hope so.
@Fire Fist:
The fact that Buggy has no interest in One Piece whatsoever pretty much tells you it's not a valuable treasure, at least not to everyone…
Most people seem to think it's the Rio Poneglyph and/or Uranus.
People often overlook that Whitebeard said the world will be "turned upside down" when One Piece is found, meaning it must be dangerous to the World Government. It must have a connection to the Will of D. because Whitebeard had the flashback with Roger where they talked about the Will of D. It also ties in well to the popular "Moon Theory."
@Foxy:
Most people seem to think it's the Rio Poneglyph and/or Uranus.
People often overlook that Whitebeard said the world will be "turned upside down" when One Piece is found, meaning it must be dangerous to the World Government. It must have a connection to the Will of D. because Whitebeard had the flashback with Roger where they talked about the Will of D. It also ties in well to the popular "Moon Theory."
Pretty sure Uranus is a place, not a person or object. Think about it. Poseidon is a person (Shirahoshi), and Pluton is a "Thing" (A massive warship), so by logic Uranus should be a place. Probably Raftel. However, it's possible Raftel is on the back of a giant sea creature that only surfaces every 22 years or so, which explains why it's impossible to get to.
I'm putting a little money (not too much, just yet), that Clover was about to reveal the name of the secret Kingdom to be Uranus before the Gorosei ordered him to be shot.
Also, One Piece itself is inside Reverse Mountain. X marks the spot, you know.
@Fire Fist:
Pretty sure Uranus is a place, not a person or object. Think about it. Poseidon is a person (Shirahoshi), and Pluton is a "Thing" (A massive warship), so by logic Uranus should be a place. Probably Raftel. However, it's possible Raftel is on the back of a giant sea creature that only surfaces every 22 years or so, which explains why it's impossible to get to.
I'm putting a little money (not too much, just yet), that Clover was about to reveal the name of the secret Kingdom to be Uranus before the Gorosei ordered him to be shot.
Also, One Piece itself is inside Reverse Mountain. X marks the spot, you know.
Yeah, I always liked that theory and it is most likely true.
Buggy would have search for the One Piece, if he didn't know what it is.
I know he loves treasures but hes also a coward but yeah I guess so, not that I think One Piece is a treasure , none believes that anyway.
The next time we see Buggy, I can almost bet you he's one of the richest men in the world, rivaling even Wapol now. Why? Because Luffy gave him that bracelet to Captain John's Lost Treasure. After 2 years and being promoted to Shichibukai, it's almost a sure bet he's found it and is loaded by now.
my guess is that there is a famine in wano. Maybe they sometimes go to other islands to gather food or to hunt on the sea. the WG/Marines are somehow blockading them from getting food
my guess is that there is a famine in wano. Maybe they sometimes go to other islands to gather food or to hunt on the sea. the WG/Marines are somehow blockading them from getting food
Considering Ace was able to make an enormous Kasa 3 times for Oars Jr., and Straw comes from grain, I seriously doubt there's a shortage of food there. They'd have turned Ace into a pincushion for such waste.
@Fire Fist:
Considering Ace was able to make an enormous Kasa 3 times for Oars Jr., and Straw comes from grain, I seriously doubt there's a shortage of food there. They'd have turned Ace into a pincushion for such waste.
but he's a logia, so they probably tried but failed…
Probably because of the entire country that was 'baked' mentioned on this page:http://www.batoto.net/read/_/121685/one-piece_v66_ch651_by_mangarule/12 could be Wano. Explaining the famine that some have theorised is the reason why Momo is so reluctant to eat.
That makes no sense at all.. @GetsugaZoro:
I know he loves treasures but hes also a coward but yeah I guess so, not that I think One Piece is a treasure , none believes that anyway.
Whitebeard himself had to alliance with Buggy.. he is no coward. @senor:
my guess is that there is a famine in wano. Maybe they sometimes go to other islands to gather food or to hunt on the sea. the WG/Marines are somehow blockading them from getting food
Samurai don't like pirates that's why Momonosuke didn't accept it because of his pride being a warrior. If it was somebody from Wano he would accept it.. taking something from foreigners isn't something he would do just like he flat out said no to the candy.
@Formation:
That makes no sense at all..
How so? I think a country that was "baked" by Big Mom's men would suffer from famine… (Not saying that country is Wano)
I'm going to be really disappointed if this Wano arc (if it even happens) turns out to be a Zoro training arc where he is the only one that would be doing any fighting.
I'm going to be really disappointed if this Wano arc (if it even happens) turns out to be a Zoro training arc where he is the only one that would be doing any fighting.
I truly doubt that's gonna happen. All (with the exception of Water 7 and Shabaundy [sp?]) arcs are focused more on the trouble within the presiding island rather than they're focused on the Strawhats.
Now they will go to the land of samurai and zoro will prove how bad ass he is!!!!!!! i mean it kind of seems like one of the more obvious directions the manga could go. kinemon will need to get home somehow. why not hop a ride with luffy?
@Fire Fist:
Considering Ace was able to make an enormous Kasa 3 times for Oars Jr., and Straw comes from grain, I seriously doubt there's a shortage of food there. They'd have turned Ace into a pincushion for such waste.
Isn't straw made from the inedible part of wheat?
Although, someone could be causing a famine unnaturally. I'm sure there are a number of DFs that could potentially cause an island-wide crop failure.
My only problem with that idea is that it sounds alot like Croc's plan and there are too many parallels between the current arc and BW already.
so, ive finally read all 36 pages.. (wipes sweat from brow)
1. the chapter was pretty bland/ok besides the ending. kaido being the yonkou they want leads me to believe a theory i have that ill put at the end.
2. kinemon is pretty much ok. i honestly dont think its because of haki. its simply just a shell to capture the victim and paralyze/kill them slowly. the evidence of past chapters kinda shows this but isnt directly stated so i guess u could open it up for interpretation.
3. finally sanji showed us part of his cooking training. i think that is pretty cool but i wonder how useful it is goin to be. or how effective. like say will it raise the power of the ppl who eat it? or is it just food that works faster and just restores? either way i like this.
4. bellmere was ok i guess. some reminiscing.
5. i wonder what they need the tanker for; maybe there's some SAD on there.
6. i feel like the members either love law or indifferent about him, kind of funny to me. i like law, he's alright. i dont think everyone in one piece needs a quirk or w/e. shit gets annoying sometimes. infact, they get annoying alot of times but i digress. but yea law being able to dissect at what seems to almost be a microscopic level seems pretty cool and probably will play some interesting things later.
7. oh also, seems like everyone (besides vergo and monet) will be fine. what happened to the dragon? i know he got defeated but i really liked the fella. also what happened to the marines who got blown up? u think they're dead? or just fine and dandy?
8. forgot to mention, something is definitely up with kinemon and his son. his son seem to have boarded cc's ship of his own accord. maybe looking for someone? i think someone might have been kidnapped who's close to them. especially after kinemon said "im sure theyre alright"
Ok My Theory:
About 2-3 days ago, captain kid blew up and destroyed 2 of Big mam ships. According to tomago they cant take the damages lightly, so as to why he wanted the gold. With that said, as we saw, captain kid and killer have come up with a plan to form an alliance with basil and apoo. idk how big Big mam's fleet is but for two ships to be taken out and for it not to be a light matter should be of notice. Now say, basil, apoo and kid are somewhat even in power (in terms of crew strength) or actually u could even say they are atleast 75% or 50% of kid's whichever you chose. Say they form a combo to take out Big mam. If they are atleast 50% of the strength they can take out a possible 4 ships together from their fleet, up to 6 ships (or more). If 2 ships is not a small matter, 4-6 would definitely be BIG.
According to Law, the only way to survive in the new world is to be either aligned with a yonkou, or constantly going up against them. As we've seen of kid he seems to be part of the latter; also the fact that they want to invite basil and apoo you could say they are as well. What if, this alliance's aim is to go after Big Mam and dethrone her? We already know kid has conflicts with her and his crew is the one with the plan for alliance and its not too far fetched to think they might wanna take her out (since we all know kid wants to be the Pirate King). As we've seen of Oda, he likes to focus on a bigger picture story even though they mainly focus around the strawhats. with luffy and law going after Kaido and Kid, apoo and basil going after big mam, the new world would be in UTTER CHAOS!!!!
This would stem to start or further the new age of pirates from the worst generation. Also, even though luffy says he wants to take down all the yonkou, i dont believe he will. So, quick recap, Luffy and Law to take down kaido… kid, apoo and basil to take down Big mam, and that is my theory.
sn: im not necessarily on the side of drake being apart of kaido's crew. there's three scenarios i see happening to drake.
the first: drake is apart of kaido's crew and is loyal to him with no ulterior motive.
the second: drake is apart of kaido's crew but is not loyal to him and has some other motives for joining. when law and luffy show up, he would align with them and take down kaido.
the third: drake is not apart of kaido's crew and when luffy and law show up to take him on, he aligns with them either along the way or close to the end.
Is there a link download Chapter 696 raw
i found a theory a friend of mine made
wano kuni was attacked by pirates..prolly by doflamingo
now the main problem is wano is really strong country its difficult for even doflamingo to do that
but either way something did happen there is for sure
if u look at the pic
1-when did momo get to see doflamingo
cant b on ph..he is been there since 10days and we knw that neither doffy nor vergo visited since law arrived plus doffy has already placed someone as loyal as monet there he wouldn't go
2- why r they crying
most prolly bcoz some pirate killed his mother or destroyed something precious in thier country or could b the regular pirate thing
3- when did he get to see a pirate weighing 400kgs..at least not on ph
had to b someone who attacked wano
4-momo said how did u manage to come here-now thats what bothers me how did kinemon knw where momo was taken..and how did he come there
@zeff:
i found a theory a friend of mine made
3- when did he get to see a pirate weighing 400kgs..at least not on ph
had to b someone who attacked wano
Dude, what about Brownbeard:ninja:
Ugh so hard to find the scenes and dialog I'm looking for. Typing in Wano in Google gets you some articles about World Association of Nuclear Operators.
At any rate. I was still trying to see where I saw that scene of the summit where Cobra and Wapol were arguing. But I swear there was a scene with a guy from Wano there representing. Now I'm wondering if I only saw that in the anime and it was filler or if I'm not looking in the right chapters for that flashback in Drum. I'm fairly sure it was Dalton's flashback.
Also someone said Brook said Wano was closed off. Isn't any of his information outdated by a few decades?
Edits:
Well this was the closet I could find. Getting pretty sleepy.
! Next visible guy by Cobra? Just going by the hair lol. I'll have to see if this episode has a filler scene and stuff.
thanks for the chapter, guys!
Ugh so hard to find the scenes and dialog I'm looking for. Typing in Wano in Google gets you some articles about World Association of Nuclear Operators.
At any rate. I was still trying to see where I saw that scene of the summit where Cobra and Wapol were arguing. But I swear there was a scene with a guy from Wano there representing. Now I'm wondering if I only saw that in the anime and it was filler or if I'm not looking in the right chapters for that flashback in Drum. I'm fairly sure it was Dalton's flashback.
Also someone said Brook said Wano was closed off. Isn't any of his information outdated by a few decades?
Edits:
Well this was the closet I could find. Getting pretty sleepy.
! Next visible guy by Cobra? Just going by the hair lol. I'll have to see if this episode has a filler scene and stuff.
low quality scans get you this:
http://www.mangareader.net/103-2249-6/one-piece/chapter-142.html
and this
http://www.citymanga.com/one_piece/chapter-142/06/
so yeah, different from the anime but hard to tell the details at such low quality. anyone have a better quality scan? I'm recovering data on my drive right now and don't have access to see if the one I saved is better…
P.S., to skip things in google search, put a minus sign just before entering the words to skip:
wano "one piece" -"world association of nuclear operators"
@毛唐人:
thanks for the chapter, guys!
low quality scans get you this:
http://www.mangareader.net/103-2249-6/one-piece/chapter-142.html
and this
http://www.citymanga.com/one_piece/chapter-142/06/
so yeah, different from the anime but hard to tell the details at such low quality. anyone have a better quality scan? I'm recovering data on my drive right now and don't have access to see if the one I saved is better…
P.S., to skip things in google search, put a minus sign just before entering the words to skip:
wano "one piece" -"world association of nuclear operators"
Thanks. I'll have to do a quick look later. Being in America means can't view mangareader.
that's why I gave two links, because I thought you'd at least be able to see citymanga. is that one blocked too?
I took a break from recovery and found my copy of the page, but it's still not much clearer than before:
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Such a complex story. What's more amazing is the fact that Oda doesnt manage to screw up
CC is the only one who can produce SAD which Doflo sells to Kaidou. So what would happen CC is gone? No more SAD for Kaidou…..It may cause conflict between Doflo and Kaidou... Theres many different ways "Confusion" can occur
Man, if there is some kind of deadline for a new package of Smiles… Doflamingo could end up like Denzel did in Training Day. lol
...off topic
@zeff:
i found a theory a friend of mine made
wano kuni was attacked by pirates..prolly by doflamingo
now the main problem is wano is really strong country its difficult for even doflamingo to do that
but either way something did happen there is for sure
if u look at the pic
http://sphotos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/523336_395791233846389_721523984_n.jpg
1-when did momo get to see doflamingo
cant b on ph..he is been there since 10days and we knw that neither doffy nor vergo visited since law arrived plus doffy has already placed someone as loyal as monet there he wouldn't go
2- why r they crying
most prolly bcoz some pirate killed his mother or destroyed something precious in thier country or could b the regular pirate thing
3- when did he get to see a pirate weighing 400kgs..at least not on ph
had to b someone who attacked wano
4-momo said how did u manage to come here-now thats what bothers me how did kinemon knw where momo was taken..and how did he come there
ive been saying that since momo appeared…that doflamingo prolly took over wano-kuni.
how long ago did he straw hats leave fishman island ? Cause the tea party was in 3.days right?
how long ago did he straw hats leave fishman island ? Cause the tea party was in 3.days right?
Probably not even 24h ago
Man, if there is some kind of deadline for a new package of Smiles… Doflamingo could end up like Denzel did in Training Day. lol
...off topic
I know right? xD
How so? I think a country that was "baked" by Big Mom's men would suffer from famine… (Not saying that country is Wano)
It would just be the place where they make sweets like the FI Island factory.. if that gets destroyed they still have food. Whatever the place is it's under Big Moms name.
I don't see them taking down a Yonkou 'soon' and I don't think Luffy will be able to go 1 on 1 with a Yonkou level until SH pirates vs BB pirates at the end of the series. Also since the Shichibukai unlike the Yonkou are not equal in power level, Dofla could've potentially have been a Yonkou and that's why the WG made him a Shichibukai (out of fear). That said I'd be disappointed if Luffy can take down Dofla without at least either him and Law or the Big 3 of the SHs.
i dont think DD is yonkou lvl els croc would not talk to him like they are equals and DD would easyly be able to kill him and he would not talk about making a aliance if he was so much stronger, The youkou part will come at like 100-200 chaps i think but it depend on where the SH goes and how much they can improve, and then i think kid and his alliance will take down Big mom tho i still think luffy should meet her some how…
Is luffys scar from akainu??????