The problem with that is that this is fairy tail. Where no one really dies. Except maybe side characters. Who's to say Simon is really dead.
Fairy Tail Discussion III
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The problem with that is that this is fairy tail. Where no one really dies. Except maybe side characters. Who's to say Simon is really dead.
Because Simon is a side character?
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Thanks to the time loop principal I'm going to guess that them going back in time and whatever they did back then is what stopped Zeref from being the ultimate evil that the characters remember him as and made him into the mopey death-seeker we readers know him as. So I think a third party, perhaps that last evil guild, is going to be the instigator of the final arc by trying to make him evil again.
Hmm, that could be interesting. I actually like whacky time loop theories a lot, IF done right… IF.
As for Kagura, someone suggested it was Millianna she cut and not Erza thanks to Mirvana's ability to warp. I was actually thinking this myself before that person suggested it, and I can actually see that being the case. I'll be very surprised if Erza was really cut here.
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i'm still on the Kagura-cuts-herself team. Revenge is a double-edged sword after all.
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Erza is my least favorite of the characters, I'll be happy when we get to Gajeel's fight.
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Even more retroactively inserted "convenient" backstory. Great.
Also, I kinda think that literaly impaling someone through the stomach has to be against the rules. It just has to.
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Mixed bag this one.
- Kagura actually trying to hit Erza, no bullshit
- Erzas reason for defending herself is unoriginal, but solid
- GAAAAAH! I hate the finishing blows of this manga so much! Enough with never showing the actual blow, just the hero in the foreground and villain spinning in the background Mashima. Its gotten really old.
- Erza jumping to the rescue was again unoriginal, but solid.
- Backstory is extremely convenient. Also, Mashimas way of drawing kids freaks me out.
- Minervas surprise backstab is hampered by the gratuitous Kagura fanservice (this girl started out as the most unrevealingly dressed woman in the series, bar Juvia!), and the recollection that wait, this fight was pretty damn stupid
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It was a different resolution for the fight but not a good one. Like them didn't expected Minerva to do it, sigh.
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Boring, bland, predictable. The usual FT.
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@The:
- Backstory is extremely convenient.
Let's just try and break it down somewhat, shall we ?
"That guy who died two hundred chapters ago, I'm his sister and he died cause of you !"
"Yo, and I'm the person who conveniently saved your life !"That basicly turns all possible emotional investment the characters have into one large mass that, if revealed at once, would pretty much cancel the whole thing out and just leave everyone standing around not knowing what do so or say.
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@No:
[…]Also, I kinda think that literaly impaling someone through the stomach has to be against the rules. It just has to.
Well, it looks really off center to me. I think that kagura will survive this. Also now Erza can go all out against Minerva.
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Meanwhile, on youtube in a Magi OP2 video
I'm not trying to start a hateQQ here but I think Magi is what Fairy tail tried to be but couldnt really because Mashima repeated the same shit over 7 times now all over again
imo, they fall into 2 simalar, but different categories. Magi seems like it will be more focused on the 3 main characters, whereas Fairy Tail focuses more on the broad story then to individuals. Thats not to say that all the characters in Fairy Tail arnt developed, just that it isnt the focus of the show. Both are great for thier own reasons
Dear shit.
Well, it looks really off center to me. I think that kagura will survive this. Also now Erza can go all out against Minerva.
Kagura won't die anyway, it's totally anticlimatic if she does. As how everything on this chapter was.
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Kagura's fine. Mashima doesn't have the balls to kill an old man like Markarov. Notice how the sword conveniently pierced the side of her chest rather than the center? Pretty cheap out if you ask me. For all her hype, the big bad couldn't even competently kill someone.
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I don't like this chapter at all.
Kagura with a sheath-sword mode had an upperhand against Erza, you all saw that in the previous chapter right?
But when she unleashed her full power by drawing her sword, she lose…. and even more than that, in a one hit KO - -
For me, this kind of writing is total bullshit.
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I don't like this chapter at all.
Kagura with a sheath-sword mode had an upperhand against Erza, you all saw that in the previous chapter right?
But when she unleashed her full power by drawing her sword, she lose…. and even more than that, in a one hit KO - -
For me, this kind of writing is total bullshit.
I agree complitely!
To me it's the worst chapter of this arc!
the only question I have on mind, we do we still read FT because we do, so what is it that makes it still worst read it week ater week!?! -
Can anyone tell me what Erzas final move did? Or how it connected on Kagura?
All I see is an overhead slash. Which Sends Kagura flying in a totally nonsensical way, and does no visible damage.
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She used the friendship slash. By making a speech about emotions, friends and stuff, Erza transfered her feelings to Kagura. Kagura who had only thoughts of killing Erza until now, realizes she's a fool, flipping herself over in an incredible way making the crowd go wild.
If it isn't this, I really don't know what's.
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I thought the chapter was good, mainly because even though Kagura lost, she didn't become completely incompetent or lose all durability to do so. Her unsheathed sword had a ridiculous amount of strength, going by the damage it caused, so it wasn't hyped up for nothing. The fight was more even than Erza's fight with Ikaruga (during the arc where Jellal was a villain), with both fighters landing attacks before the fight ended, which made it plausible that Erza could win in the end, and Kagura was still able to stand after what appeared to be a finishing blow (seeing as the armour she used lets her put all of her magic power into offense at the cost of having no defense, Azuma and Ikaruga couldn't stand up after a blow like that, and even Gerard was ultimately undone by one of Erza's attacks in that form, it's certainly impressive) - she was still seen as Erza's equal by the end, and the only reason she lost was because she lost the will to continue fighting Erza, which was understandable (finding out that someone who you wanted to kill saved you from a life of slavery would do that, I assume).
Plus, we got more backstory on one of the main characters, which doesn't happen all that often in this series (we still don't know what happened to Natsu prior to finding Igneel or after Igneel's disappearance, or what Gray's life was like before Deliora destroyed his hometown). Sure, Erza growing up in the same village as Simon might be a tad contrived, but it doesn't contradict anything that we've seen before, so I'm okay with it.
EDIT: Besides, what alternatives would there be, really? We saw the blood, so it's not like Erza could have dodged it. We knew that Erza was going to win because it would make more sense to have her fight Minerva as opposed to Kagura (someone needs to avenge Lucy's loss, after all) and she's a main character, and if she took a direct blow from the sword, then she'd be dead going by the hype that it's received. However, it would be anti-climactic if Kagura was beaten before the blow landed, so this seems like the best option. At the very least, it allows the two to remain equals, which is better than how these fights usually work out.
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I skimmed this over without reading.
I could not tell if that was a flashback, or some hallucination with bobble head toys.
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I cannot think of a single redeeming feature of that chapter, It was terrible.
That said the ending could've been good, I wouldn't know, I refused to finish reading it.
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I skimmed this over without reading.
I could not tell if that was a flashback, or some hallucination with bobble head toys.
I know you probably don't want me to summarise it for you, but this is too juicy to not do it anyway.
_Last week it was revealed Kagura is Simon's sister (that bloke with the funny jaw that died during the TOP/First Gerard arc) and she wants to kill Erza because she let Simon die.
THIS week we find out Erza saved Kagura's life in exchange for being caught into slavery._
And none of this was ever hinted at or established in any way before ! -
All this bullshit fresh out of Mashima's ass!
Now it's really obvious that he's making everything up as he's going along and to make matters worse the art this week feels like a huge drop in quality from last weeks chapter. Also for God's sake stop making Erza go back to that crappy Bandages + Katana combo
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@No:
I know you probably don't want me to summarise it for you
I honestly don't care this week honestly, but thanks anyway :D
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It's hard to enjoy FT once you've started reading Magi. For now I don't really have anything else to say.
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Fairy Tail should just become a gag manga, it's way better and there's more character personality on those kind of chapters.
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This chapter was HORRID, right up there with Natsu ROLFstomping both of the Sabretooth hacks by himself. Basically, Kagura was hyped out for NOTHING (sorry Megadoomer, but nuking some fucking scenery means a grand total of nothing in the manga world, that you actually "liked" this horseshit is scary) since her unsheathing of her sword did nothing at all. What could have been a cool out of her ass powerup just became a gigantic and pointless waste of everybody's time, including the existance of the character herself. As for the "backstory", it's shit, pure and simple. Also, I HATE HATE HATE that all of Erza's fights end with her using the damn katana gangster suit. Also, again we blatantly see that she has like 5 secondsn of being butt naked which should be a stupid huge weakness that will never be adressed.
Also, anybody that dares compare this to Magi should give us all a favor and fall off a cliff.
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@No:
I know you probably don't want me to summarise it for you, but this is too juicy to not do it anyway.
_Last week it was revealed Kagura is Simon's sister (that bloke with the funny jaw that died during the TOP/First Gerard arc) and she wants to kill Erza because she let Simon die.
THIS week we find out Erza saved Kagura's life in exchange for being caught into slavery._
And none of this was ever hinted at or established in any way before !That's because you weren't looking for any foreshadowing. Generally, if a plot point from a long time ago is going to be relevant soon, Mashima will at least bring it up a few times beforehand. Take, for example, the Edolas arc. When Natsu was filling in Gildartz on what he missed while he was gone, Lisanna's death is brought up, and it's clear that Natsu still isn't over it. The Edolas arc was explicitly stated to take place on the anniversary of her death, and lo and behold, guess who turns out to be not quite dead by the end of the arc?
For Kagura's relation to Simon, Simon's death was brought up several times before (Gerard still felt guilty for it once he got his memories back, even seven years later, and Milliana mentioned it as a reason why she hated Gerard). Kagura wanted revenge on Gerard for something, but given that he's supposed to be sympathetic now, it would have to be something that he did while he was brainwashed. Seeing as he spent most of that arc in a chair, the only outright evil thing we saw him do was murdering Simon, so it seemed likely that Kagura's revenge would have something to do with that. Sure, Mashima's not like Oda, who makes things like the reveal that Rayleigh was the guy who stopped Shanks and Buggy from fighting in their flashback work, but there was at least some build-up to the first big reveal.
As for the second, it's a fairly minor plot point that doesn't contradict anything that we knew previously, so I'm not sure what the big deal is.
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That's because you weren't looking for any foreshadowing. Generally, if a plot point from a long time ago is going to be relevant soon, Mashima will at least bring it up a few times beforehand. Take, for example, the Edolas arc. When Natsu was filling in Gildartz on what he missed while he was gone, Lisanna's death is brought up, and it's clear that Natsu still isn't over it. The Edolas arc was explicitly stated to take place on the anniversary of her death, and lo and behold, guess who turns out to be not quite dead by the end of the arc?
For Kagura's relation to Simon, Simon's death was brought up several times before (Gerard still felt guilty for it once he got his memories back, even seven years later, and Milliana mentioned it as a reason why she hated Gerard). Kagura wanted revenge on Gerard for something, but given that he's supposed to be sympathetic now, it would have to be something that he did while he was brainwashed. Seeing as he spent most of that arc in a chair, the only outright evil thing we saw him do was murdering Simon, so it seemed likely that Kagura's revenge would have something to do with that. Sure, Mashima's not like Oda, who makes things like the reveal that Rayleigh was the guy who stopped Shanks and Buggy from fighting in their flashback work, but there was at least some build-up to the first big reveal.
As for the second, it's a fairly minor plot point that doesn't contradict anything that we knew previously, so I'm not sure what the big deal is.
So I am to assume that whenever Mashima actualy brings something up it will automaticaly be part of a twist in a couple of chapters and have to guess what random character it will be associated to.
Not realy sure that's how you write a story. Then I suppose if Hiro went along with the intended TOP ending, the fact he brings up young Erza's childhood would have somehow been foreshadowing that ?
And it's not only that it's a clichéd development, but that we get two clichéd developments in the span of two chapters that sorta cancel each other out. Erza might be indirectly responsible (?) for Simon's death, but she saved Kagura's life so….the drama just sort of fizzles out in this situation.
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@No:
So I am to assume that whenever Mashima actualy brings something up it will automaticaly be part of a twist in a couple of chapters and have to guess what random character it will be associated to.
No, you're just supposed to assume that, if a plot point is brought up at the start of an arc, it will probably be relevant by the end of it. Connecting Simon to Kagura was just some extra effort on my part - I figured that Kagura's motivations wouldn't make sense if we never saw Gerard doing what she wanted him dead for.
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I'm sorry but if you're going to pop a plot point of Kagura being Simon's sister, then the least Mashima could have done was snuck in at least a single line from Simon back then that he had some sort of family/sister.
Doing this feels like Kubo's "I'm making it up as I go along" type bullshit.
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She used the friendship slash. By making a speech about emotions, friends and stuff, Erza transfered her feelings to Kagura. Kagura who had only thoughts of killing Erza until now, realizes she's a fool, flipping herself over in an incredible way making the crowd go wild.
If it isn't this, I really don't know what's.
This seems plausible. I bet Erzas bandage-mode is so strong because every FT member has signed the bandages or something like that.
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There's absolutely nothing wrong, I feel, with retroactively inserting a plot point or line into one's story as long as nothing is contradicted. The creative process is not a static thing by any means, and since One Piece was already brought up you're kidding yourself if you believe that Oda had every single minute detail of the story thus far, past and present, fully planned out when he started drawing fifteen years ago. All authors have no doubt had times where they go back to their old material to come up with new ideas for the future. Like how it was presented or not, there's absolutely nothing wrong with Mashima going back to an early part of his story and using it to come up with a new plot thread for its present.
Anyway, as usual he doesn't really know what the word ''hype'' means. While I guess this was technically a three-chapter fight, and thus somewhat long for Mashima, I don't see what he has against getting an extra chapter out of them, as that would diminish some of the complaints right there. Kagura certainly got a better deal that most other fighters though, since she never lost due to a sudden onrush of incompetence or such. Minerva's face needs to be badly rearranged, though.
Erza's sarashi and hakama is called the ''Last-Resort'' armor if I remember right, so I'm really not surprised that it's what she always pulls out when faced with especially difficult adversaries.
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Erza's sarashi and hakama is called the ''Last-Resort'' armor if I remember right, so I'm really not surprised that it's what she always pulls out when faced with especially difficult adversaries.
Is there any reason she doesn't use it all the time ?
And yeah, okay I can give him that I suppose but here he's flip flopping on which side has the moral high ground so much it seems like he's on medication. And still, I don't mind the fact that every single plot point isn't connected by invisible wires to other plot points in a giant web, but if he went with the "dead brother" bit he shouldn't have added on top of it.
But that's just my take on it.
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lmao at that flashback
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There's absolutely nothing wrong, I feel, with retroactively inserting a plot point or line into one's story as long as nothing is contradicted. The creative process is not a static thing by any means, and since One Piece was already brought up you're kidding yourself if you believe that Oda had every single minute detail of the story thus far, past and present, fully planned out when he started drawing fifteen years ago. All authors have no doubt had times where they go back to their old material to come up with new ideas for the future. Like how it was presented or not, there's absolutely nothing wrong with Mashima going back to an early part of his story and using it to come up with a new plot thread for its present.
Yeah, Its not contradictory, and its not reasonable to expect an author of a series running this long to have everything planned out in advance. But the extreme convenience and suddenness of these character relations are just jarring. its lazy and self serving writing; its the equivalent of how everyone was constantly going "OMG I DID A CROSSWORD WITH YOU ONCE! CHARACTER CONFLICT!" to their opponents in the Naruto Ninja war. Or if Sanjis twn brother popped up to save the day.
You can ad-lib the story without creating plotholes, but it doesn't have to be so blatantly obvious. That itself is distracting.Erza's sarashi and hakama is called the ''Last-Resort'' armor if I remember right, so I'm really not surprised that it's what she always pulls out when faced with especially difficult adversaries.
I think its a case of Ki Blasts/ Gear second; Eventually thinking up new moves or creative battles for a main character is like, real hard. So its much easier to have her use Bandage Katana mode than armors with unique properties.
At least its marginally more dignified than the Cat-Ears armor.
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@Hiroy:I could not tell if that was a flashback, or some hallucination with bobble head toys.
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You can ad-lib the story without creating plotholes, but it doesn't have to be so blatantly obvious. That itself is distracting. Oh I certainly agree on that point. My post was largely a response to those going "this should have been foreshadowed four years ago! total asspull!"
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Oh Mashima, I had high hopes for Kagura, I really did.
But she got Azuma'd.Fuck Erza. Fuck her. Because of her, the most badass characters in the series get trolled. Minerva is next
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You can insult Fairy Tail all you want, but dont even say Erza is a shitty character. LOVED the chapter. But WTF refs, how is it not Efza's point? is killing allowed?
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Can wait to see the KingofLightning Review. So many Lulz will occur LOL
ForneverWorld did his earlier this morning and shitted all over this chapter. He's usually reluctant to bad mouth a series, so for him to claim that this chapter was terrible, that's saying something
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Yeah that could've been better. Mashima was really unfocused this chapter, that was just such a sloppy end to the fight. What? Did all the power go out of Kagura's sword after she unleashed it? And really, why does Erza have to go to that outfit if she wants to battle normally? The first time against that samurai woman, fine, that was an important part of her character. I didn't even mind it so much during the Azuma fight, but this is just falling too much back into old habits.
The point of her power lays in her armor, it doesn't have to be flashy but surely she could've went with anything else. Defeats the purpose if she doesn't bother using them.The revelation about the two coming from the same village was of interest to me though and makes sense. But it kinda kills the effect when you don't draw the flashback right. It's suppose to be a emotional scene and Kagura looking like a chibi character from an omake. Why does she even have the same hairstyle? Tsk tsk Mashima. I hope the editors make you re-draw that scene for the volume cause, deadline or not, there was no excuse for that laziness.
Saw the backstab thing coming a mile away. Heck really who didn't, might as well count down the minutes when it happened. Just hope Minerva gives Erza more of a fight. By this point I don't even mind if Erza oses, it actually would be funny to see Juvia beat Minerva. Y'know, underdog and all.
Yeah another follow up battle coming to a disappointing end. But hey, still got a few more fights to go. So I'm still optimistic.
Get nuts or go crazy trying.
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This is what I mean by Hiro spitting out a great chapter and then a shitty chapter right after. As I said last week, I thought last week was a great chapter for Fairy Tail standards, but this week everything he built up he tore down just as quick, if not quicker. Kagura, such an awesome character, was trolled and completely screwed over in a way that makes no sense at all. How the hell did Erza logically one shot Kagura after none of her attacks having much impact earlier? As for the flashback, while her being Simon's brother was fine for me, the flashback here was just too much of a random asspull for me to like it.
The ending was good, but Minerva is going to get trolled as well.
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So long Minerva, this will be the height of your reign as arch villain in this series, so enjoy it, cause it's about to head far south.
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