Chapter 404 "Franky VS Fukurou" Discussion
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After THIS chapter, it would be a crime if Franky didn't join.
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Huzzah! Love the Frankyā¦ See, this chapter is awesome because I restrained myself from checking whether the forums are up yesterday. It always turns out to be better when I do that :D Besides I had a quiz coming XDDD
Oh man, Franky with multiple drinks is awesome. Now to see him guzzle up some viagra and get a hairdo that matches XDDDD
Can't really say that Fukurou went down fast, since the fight almost fills a whole chapter...I want more Kumadori and Fukurou though.
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Yeah, a one-chapter fight isn't really all that quick. I think it was a satisfying bout.
That said, I really really really don't want anything to happen to the Usopp-Zoro/Kaku-Jyabura battle. That was set up fine, it would just be criminal if they fight didn't go as is.
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Franky is my favorite character, Franky will need to joint. Goodbye Paulie, it's nice knowing you.
Kumadori is weak, Chopper kept kick his ass and Kumadori never uses his Rokusiki (except Takki but he won't use Geppou, Kami-e, Shigun, Soru, and Rankyaku
Robin looks sad, I guess after what she and the SH went through, she is embarresed. She left the crew in fear she'll get betrayed if they found out about the BC, She gave herself in to easy.
Lucchi enjoys pissing Spandam off, I wonder if Lucchi was planning something.
I guess the Enies Lobby battle is not too fouced, just guys running around, bumping into each other and fighting the CP9. Oda is unpredicatible which is why I have to see what he's planning to do instend of guessing.
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After THIS chapter, it would be a crime if Franky didn't join.
Why he can still kick ass on the cover stories:laugh:
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@joekido:
Kumadori is weak, Chopper kept kick his ass and Kumadori never uses his Rokusiki (except Takki but he won't use Geppou, Kami-e, Shigun, Soru, and Rankyaku
He doesn't seem that weak. The entrance into the room does make it seem like Kumadori is kicking Chopper's ass without using Rokushiki. His problem seems more to be that he is stupid.
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I don't see why everybody keeps saying Kumadori is Chopper's bitch. Chopper hit him twice by surprise, and then during the behind the scene fight between these two Chopper got injured and was all bloodied when they entered the kitchen while Kumadori looked fresh. Finally Chopper put him on the fridge but that's anything but a proof of Chopper's superiority or that he "owned" him. The fight isn't over yet.
As for Franky, seriously it'd be complete nonsense if Oda didn't make him join after such a kickass chapter. I don't think there's even an argument now about who will join, except "Oda can surprise us", but that's not too convincing.
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Honestly though, i dont think im gonna be counting Fukuro out of action just yet. That guy holds the answer to just how the Douriki works. I mean, so far the introduction of douriki has not had any significance at all in how the fights are being played.
Kumadori is probably gonna Rankyaku the fridge door open, i just find it a little weird how Chopper was able to open the door three times to take out the drinks, and Kumadori just stayed in there :S -
I think we're going to see dragon soon, considering the odd thundercloud above the tower (it's pitch black) and the lightning that strikes the guy Franky is fighting right when he hits him.
I'd wager that with lightning striking him and with Franky's (probably) most powerful punch slamming into him, he's down for the count.
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I don't see why everybody keeps saying Kumadori is Chopper's bitch. Chopper hit him twice by surprise, and then during the behind the scene fight between these two Chopper got injured and was all bloodied when they entered the kitchen while Kumadori looked fresh. Finally Chopper put him on the fridge but that's anything but a proof of Chopper's superiority or that he "owned" him. The fight isn't over yet.
As for Franky, seriously it'd be complete nonsense if Oda didn't make him join after such a kickass chapter. I don't think there's even an argument now about who will join, except "Oda can surprise us", but that's not too convincing.
I gotta agree with you there. I don't get the argument that Kumadori is weak/getting owned, Chopper's gotten two good shots on him that we can see. When they smashed through the wall, he did seem to have the upper hand. His goofiness does seem to be a bit of his undoing, though.
And I agree with the second point. But I won't completely rule out some twist where he doesn't joinh, though it seems really unlikely after this awesome chapter.
Seriously, this was my favorite chapter in weeks.
I think we're going to see dragon soon, considering the odd thundercloud above the tower (it's pitch black) and the
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I think we're going to see dragon soon, considering the odd thundercloud above the tower (it's pitch black) and the lightning that strikes the guy Franky is fighting right when he hits him.
I'd wager that with lightning striking him and with Franky's (probably) most powerful punch slamming into him, he's down for the count.
So why should it be Dragon and NOT Nami with her Climatact?
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That's a fair question, I just don't remember the lightning storm she made earlier being quite that intense (specifically the cloud blocking out the sun and making it dark), but it easily could be her.
I actually forgot about Nami so good point.
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So why should it be Dragon and NOT Nami with her Climatact?
It'd be ridiculous if all of sudden Nami had the power to summon a storm of that magnitude. It definitly look like Dragon's work.
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I largely agree with Aldrich. In my opinion that storm is either natural or the work of Dragon. Still I won't rule out Nami, because it'd be nice if she could do shit like that, with regards to ship battles and such, since she's a great navigator she can easily deal with harsh seastorms, and she could mess up enemy ships.
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Doesn't really show how big the storm is. It's just one cloud and it could also be nature for all we know. Because they don't have night it doesn't mean the can have clear weather all the time does it?
And we don't know jackshit about "Dragon's work". -
We know he can make bigass thunderstorms. No one's saying it IS him for sure Majek, god forbid you let people speculate.
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Acutally I think it's fairly obvious the lightning storm is just dramatics for Franky's "SUUUPEEERR!!!" as he reaches his max. And the "lightning striking Fukurou" is just an illustration of the sheer force of Franky's punch striking Fukurou.
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No people ASSUME he can "make" bigass thunderstorms. That storm in Logue town was brewing before Luffy got caught on the execution stand. chapter 98, page 3. Nami sensed it.
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Doesn't really show how big the storm is. It's just one cloud and it could also be nature for all we know. Because they don't have night it doesn't mean the can have clear weather all the time does it?
And we don't know jackshit about "Dragon's work".The weather was clear and sunny at Enies Lobby even during Aqua Laguna, while it rained on W7 and its surroundings. And it was still sunny a few moments before the Franky/Fukurou fight, look at the page with the Justice Tower sliding after Kaku's rankyaku. Doesn't seem too natural to me.
And everything points out to Dragon being able to create storms. Wether it is because he controls wind or weather is still unclear, but that's pretty much a given.
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I don't see why everybody keeps saying Kumadori is Chopper's bitch. Chopper hit him twice by surprise, and then during the behind the scene fight between these two Chopper got injured and was all bloodied when they entered the kitchen while Kumadori looked fresh. Finally Chopper put him on the fridge but that's anything but a proof of Chopper's superiority or that he "owned" him. The fight isn't over yet.
As for Franky, seriously it'd be complete nonsense if Oda didn't make him join after such a kickass chapter. I don't think there's even an argument now about who will join, except "Oda can surprise us", but that's not too convincing.
i must admit i'm disapponted that chopper seems to have experienced so many problems, i really thought he finally grew up and grew strong :o(
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@Cap'n:
Acutally I think it's fairly obvious the lightning storm is just dramatics for Franky's "SUUUPEEERR!!!" as he reaches his max. And the "lightning striking Fukurou" is just an illustration of the sheer force of Franky's punch striking Fukurou.
The lightning is flatly coming from the skyā¦. Then combine that with the entire panel dedicated to showing us the lightning storm.
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I largely agree with Aldrich. In my opinion that storm is either natural or the work of Dragon. Still I won't rule out Nami, because it'd be nice if she could do shit like that, with regards to ship battles and such, since she's a great navigator she can easily deal with harsh seastorms, and she could mess up enemy ships.
are you all forgetting the dial upgrade?
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Well I don't see anything "striking" Fukurou other than Franky.
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are you all forgetting the dial upgrade?
No, I am comparing it the earlier lightning storm she created, and how it was nothing even remotely close what the one shown in that panel is. Are you forgetting that I acknowledged it could be Nami? I just think that most likely, it isn't.
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@Cap'n:
Well I don't see anything "striking" Fukurou other than Franky.
Look at the effects surrounding Franky's punch to Fukurou. You'll notice it looks exactly like Ener's attacks, that's the way Oda's draws thunder strokes. And if you look carefully you'll see it actually comes from the ceiling.
I could be wrong though, but to me it looks like thunder was attracted by Franky's iron fist the same way it fell on Buggy's sword at Loguetown.
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@Cap'n:
Well I don't see anything "striking" Fukurou other than Franky.
So you don't see lightning coming from a 45 degree angle towards Fukuro at the same time franky strikes him? Lightning that literally extends from the top right border of the panel? It's not just an 'effect' of Franky's punch, it is coming from above and if you look honestly you'll see as much.
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I still think it's just the force from Franky's punch. I'll continue to think so until I see dialogue stating otherwise.
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No, I am comparing it the earlier lightning storm she created, and how it was nothing even remotely close what the one shown in that panel is. Are you forgetting that I acknowledged it could be Nami? I just think that most likely, it isn't.
i'm guessing she's gotta new attack, the one she done earlier was a quick attack, she's about to show her final attack.
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I find it hilarious how people consider the storm to indicate anything about Dragon while it was never said that Dragon had anything to do with the storm at Loguetown.
Besides, if Dragon has to constantly to appear to help the Strawhats throughout the story then the question comes up as to why he helps them after all. If heĀ“s so strong why bother helping weaklings out? He seems to be superior from them anyways then.
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The weather was clear and sunny at Enies Lobby even during Aqua Laguna, while it rained on W7 and its surroundings. And it was still sunny a few moments before the Franky/Fukurou fight, look at the page with the Justice Tower sliding after Kaku's rankyaku. Doesn't seem too natural to me.
And everything points out to Dragon being able to create storms. Wether it is because he controls wind or weather is still unclear, but that's pretty much a given.
a summer storm. Comes out of nothing and vanishes soon after.
If you want to believe it, you can but i don't see enough proof . Like i said the storm was brewing before Luffy got caught and Dragon just halted Smoker's hand and nothing else.
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Amazing chapter! I hope that Fukurou is not knocked out yet, I wanna see more of his attacks and more of Franky's attacks now that he is fueled up.
And the thunderclouds showing up right after the Strawhats just declared war on the World Governmentā¦.. it might just be Nami, but it would be awesome if it really was Dragon.....
And I hope that Oda checks back in on the Franky Family/Galley-La people. I wanna see their reactions to watching the entire building be destroyed bit by bit.....
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Dragon obviously made the huge windstorm that literally blew people around, that wasn't a natural thing, and Dragon very likely is the reason lightning struck Buggy.
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Ah Ap's back and an new chapter!
Theres no emoticon for what im feeling.
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Dragon obviously made the huge windstorm that literally blew people around, that wasn't a natural thing, and Dragon very likely is the reason lightning struck Buggy.
Well whatĀ“s obvious to you is another Oda mystery to me.
And especially the lighting stuff would be completely dull if it was Dragons doing. I mean thatĀ“s no different from Enel after all.
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Dragon obviously made the huge windstorm that literally blew people around, that wasn't a natural thing, and Dragon very likely is the reason lightning struck Buggy.
He did no such thing. Zoro saved Luffy. And that stand is a magnet for lightnings and Buggy was waving around with a sword that atracts lighting as well.
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I find it hilarious how people consider the storm to indicate anything about Dragon while it was never said that Dragon had anything to do with the storm at Loguetown.
Besides, if Dragon has to constantly to appear to help the Strawhats throughout the story then the question comes up as to why he helps them after all. If heĀ“s so strong why bother helping weaklings out? He seems to be superior from them anyways then.
Constantly? The last time the guy appeared in the main story it was 300 chapters agoā¦
As for his reasons for helping them, no one knows, but it probably has to do with the Lost History, the Ds, Gol D Roger and all these mysteries Oda hasn't unveiled yet but will make perfect sense at the end.
Btw I'm not saying I'm sure Dragon will show up. It's just a possibility, and as a fanboy it'd put a great icing on an already awesome cake...
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I find it hilarious how people consider the storm to indicate anything about Dragon while it was never said that Dragon had anything to do with the storm at Loguetown.
Besides, if Dragon has to constantly to appear to help the Strawhats throughout the story then the question comes up as to why he helps them after all. If heĀ“s so strong why bother helping weaklings out? He seems to be superior from them anyways then.
He'd help them out if he knew something we didn't about Luffy. We don't know anything about Dragon except that the government wants his head and believes he is a revolutionary.
All of things were strongly implied to be the work of Dragon's, something doesn't have to literally say "Dragon has the ability to mess with weather in some way" for us to see that he does. Lightning strikes Buggy at a perfect time. A huge GIANT windstorm that literally blows people around the island comes at a perfect time, and Dragon is there, and it happens right after his lines. And now we see a similar storm to Logutown's, and lighting strikes an enemy at the perfect time.
Perhaps he helped Franky (IF he did) to speed things up, since Franky would have won anyway?
Suffice to say for Franky to do what he did to Fukuro his punch would have to be stronger than Lucci's, and so it's obvious that lightning also struck the guy (especially considering the very obviously drawn lightning that was striking him).
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~SUPER~ Chapter!!!
I just want a translation, and i want to know what Franky's bad-ass line was at the end (Gotta love that expression).
A one-Chapter fight seems a bit short mind you, and one has to remember that Nero still got up after an Ultimate Hammer to the face (and he couldn't use Tekkai). The fight should maybe go on for another chapter (not more I think), but the Strawhats are under a strict time-constraint so that may not happen (and it looks like Luffy is catching up to Lucci quickly).
Onion-hair is pricelessā¦ as are the sideburnerangs.
as for Fukurou havinga Devil Fruit, it's very unlikely, as way back when Spandam gave the fruits to Kaku and Califa, he said "it's my first time seeing one!"
The storm may just be for dramatic effect, however my bet is on it being Nami (though Dragon would be badass, but it seems unlikely he'd just turn up at Enies Lobby... but then he was equally unlikely to turn up at Loguetown, so...)
Can't wait for next week...
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looking at the last 2 pages
Not to mention that lighting hits instantly and a panel after it strikes Fukurou still talks and then Franky punches him. So is this some special slow lightning? -
Erā¦ people, about the lightning effect that follows Franky's super final punch in the last page, this is not a work of Dragon or anything. See at page 15, when onion-head Franky punches Fukurou in the middle botton panel. You will see a similar effect (weaker, of course) following Franky's punch.
And about the Lightining-surrounded tower in the 18th page, I think this is just Oda putting special effects in order to give emphasis on Franky's powerup. I won't be surprised if the sky is back to normal in the next chapter...
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So the huge lightning storm is created by Franky? I don't see any lightning effect at all on page fifteen, but I might just be blind. The lightning effect here is clearly coming from off the page, following a panel showing us a huge thunderstorm above the tower. I don't understand how this is even in dispute.
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I definitely would label a second appearance of Dragon in where he helps Luffy again as "constantly". Dragon is one of the biggest players in One Piece. I donĀ“t know what exactly his role will be but with all the development about the True History, the Ancient Weapons, the corrupt WG, Dragons revolutionist attitude, the Pirate King and One Piece I definitely take Dragon as to be important way down the end of the story.
That said if he would appear now it would be far to soon for him. He appeared to get introduced and thatĀ“s it. If he appears at Loguetown and now at Enies Lobby to help the Strawhats, then it would be repetative and it would above all show that he believes they need his help. So if he is so superior then them, then he might just let them die and try to achieve his goal alone.
Yep, I would label it constantly because it would serve no purpose right now. Dragon is already introduced to the readers. You canĀ“t reinvent the wheel, so his appearance would be pointless unless his arc starts.
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So the huge lightning storm is created by Franky?
Considering that Ms. Goldenweek is creating a color whirlwind in the title page, why can't Franky causes lightning to strike everywhere because he is so super?
Okay, I am joking.
I think the lightining storm is just special effects. It could also be Nami, of course. But I doubt it is Dragon. It would be pointless for Dragon to appear now, in the end of the saga. It would be bad storytelling to put a totally unrelated character to appear at the climax and become a main player in the story at this point in the arc. Let the Strawhats finish their job, then Dragon may even appear. But he won't be appearing right now.
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I hope that it isn't just special effects. That would seem abit cheap to me. I would prefer it was some new attack from Nami. That would increase the feeling of chaos and destruction at Enies Lobby.
Shea hasn't done anything like this before but she has just gotten her new wepaon.
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So the huge lightning storm is created by Franky? I don't see any lightning effect at all on page fifteen, but I might just be blind. The lightning effect here is clearly coming from off the page, following a panel showing us a huge thunderstorm above the tower. I don't understand how this is even in dispute.
No the panel following the lighting is Fukurou talking. You need to learn how to read manga properly first.
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Ivotas this is the point in the story where they literally declared war on the world government, they were the first pirates with the balls to do it (it seems COMPLETELY unheard of).
Dragon would obviously respect them for this, and being that he is (from what we've seen in the manga) a revolutionary, it would seem somewhat ideal for him to meet with and gain the favor of the people who just began the war.
Still, I don't really care if it's dragon or not, I honestly hope it's Nami's Clima Tact, because if she can do something this good (eg have lightning his a specific opponent instead of everyone like earlier and have a huge dark cloud storm that's HIGH in the sky instead of one like her first version) because it will obviously be of huge benefit to the strawhats from this point forward.
The only thing I'm sure of is that lightning struck Fukuro at the same time Franky punched him.
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No the panel following the lighting is Fukurou talking. You need to learn how to read manga properly first.
Oh god you have to be kidding. The thunderstorm panel comes BEFORE lightning strikes the guy, yes there are some panels after that, it would be lame if it showed the storm panel and then instantly showed the lightning strikeā¦.
The storm panel was obviously placed there so that we'd understand where the random bolt of electricity was coming from. My point is that it isn't a "special effect" and instead it was intended to establish a grounds for understanding the panel where Fukuro gets struck by lightning (since before that, Ennies Lobby was sunny outside).
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Damn, double post, i figured somone else would have posted by the time I wrote this. -
Yeah Dragon might come and visit them because of this but he doesn't know anything of what the Straw Hats are doing at Enies Lobby. If he does he would be a skilled Strawhat stalker ā which would suck. He is probably somewhere else in the world and wont know of these events for some days at least.
EDIT: What I'm saying is that if Dragon shows up soon it wont be in this arc, but he might show up in the next arc. There is enough stuff going on in Enies Lobby to fill the rest of the arc without Dragon.
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for the lightning: maybe..
well the sky is like that just because it's the weather
but because of kaku the tower is kinda open so the lightning can come in
also, with franky's hair shape (sharp.. like a ā¦lightning conductor) maybe, it collects the lightning (like how frankenstein becomes alive in the movie.. frankenstein.. franky hum coincidence?), and as his body is made of steel, the lightning goes up to his fist adding a electric effect to his punchā¦