I personally don't care if Shingai is male-identified or not,
to say that it's a non-issue is pretty ignorant. I think we can all point out… questionable aspects of this manga.
What do you think of the way women are portrayed in OP?
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I personally don't care if Shingai is male-identified or not,
to say that it's a non-issue is pretty ignorant. I think we can all point out… questionable aspects of this manga.Questionnable according to your standards, not to the autor's and the target audience obviously. If you want a manga where girls are the heroes, you have shojous which are made just for that.
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Questionnable according to your standards, not to the autor's and the target audience obviously. If you want a manga where girls are the heroes, you have shojous which are made just for that.
That's probably the most offensive thing I've read in this thread.
As a female One Piece fan, I don't care that Luffy is a male. To me he's basically genderless. I care about the story, the characters, and the action.
I am reading One Piece for that, not for fanservice. If I wanted fanservice, I'd go somewhere else.
If I wanted romance, I will go somewhere else.
That doesn't freaking mean that as a viewer I can "deal with it or fuck off with a shojou" One Piece is yet another golden egg tainted by misogynistic and biased undertones.
It's one thing to aim a series at a certain gender by leaving out what the other gender typically enjoys…but it's a whole other to completely isolate the female viewers with so much time alloted to pervy jokes, shower scenes, fanservice fights, and boob shots, not to mention the all around lack of relatable female characters...
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Questionnable according to your standards
obviously depending on ones cultural and social background one would ask different questions @Igosuki:
not to the autor's and the target audience obviously.
Oda is only a human, his work is bound to have some questionable aspects, if his target audience failed to ask some questions they failed in independent interpretation @Igosuki:
If you want a manga where girls are the heroes, you have shojous which are made just for that.
girls can be heroes or co-protagonist in shonen manga, they only need to have character that would appeal to target audience. Because if females enjoy stories about boys, why can't males enjoy stories where females are main protagonists, unless they are prejudiced. "Ranma 1/2", "InuYasha", "Fairy Tail" and "Claymore" are all quite popular. Besides nobody was complaining about main protagonist in One Piece being a bay. I think I can assume, despite our different opinions about One piece related stuff we can all agree he is fine the way he is.
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That's probably the most offensive thing I've read in this thread.
As a female One Piece fan, I don't care that Luffy is a male. To me he's basically genderless. I care about the story, the characters, and the action.
I am reading One Piece for that, not for fanservice. If I wanted fanservice, I'd go somewhere else.
If I wanted romance, I will go somewhere else.
That doesn't freaking mean that as a viewer I can "deal with it or fuck off with a shojou" One Piece is yet another golden egg tainted by misogynistic and biased undertones.
It's one thing to aim a series at a certain gender by leaving out what the other gender typically enjoys…but it's a whole other to completely isolate the female viewers with so much time alloted to pervy jokes, shower scenes, fanservice fights, and boob shots, not to mention the all around lack of relatable female characters...
So you need a character to be genderless or female to appreciate the story ? How broad minded.
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So you need a character to be genderless or female to appreciate the story ? How broad minded.
You're doing it wrong, dude.
Read her post, THEN reply.
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This a loaded statement, but What straight man wants to see other men? When ever s female crew memeber is brought up you always get that sarcastic e-dick fucker saying "ALL YOU WHANT TO SEE IS TITS NERD" well maybe I'm tired of seeing dick. That's why I also find it strange that Law's crew, and Kid's were sausage fests, maybe this will change but its weird.
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This a loaded statement, but What straight man wants to see other men? When ever s female crew memeber is brought up you always get that sarcastic e-dick fucker saying "ALL YOU WHANT TO SEE IS TITS NERD" well maybe I'm tired of seeing dick. That's why I also find it strange that Law's crew, and Kid's were sausage fests, maybe this will change but its weird.
It's sad that women apparently have to be objectified for straight men to be attracted to them.
If you're going to be attracted to a CHARACTER, at least have it be because of their character, LOL.Second of all, what aspect of Law's or Kidd's crew, even comes close to the female fanservice in OP?
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It's sad that women apparently have to be objectified for straight men to be attracted to them.
If you're going to be attracted to a CHARACTER, at least have it be because of their character, LOL.Second of all, what aspect of Law's or Kidd's crew, even comes close to the female fanservice in OP?
"sausage fest" was meant to mean that there are no women on their crews period. I'm not saying any new women have to be objectified, what I'm saying is that I would like their crews to have some because so far with the exception of Bonney all the Supernova crews have all male members which I find odd. Its clear that women have and can obtain skills and abilities just the male characters and Law and Kid seem to be plays on Luffy in some regard, yet there crew aren't as gender diverse as his. Why? Certainly their crew isn't as important as his but Blackbeard has a woman (whom I like) on his crew why can't they?
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"sausage fest" was meant to mean that there are no women on their crews period. I'm not saying any new women have to be objectified, what I'm saying is that I would like their crews to have some because so far with the exception of Bonney all the Supernova crews have all male members which I find odd. Its clear that women have and can obtain skills and abilities just the male characters and Law and Kid seem to be plays on Luffy in some regard, yet there crew aren't as gender diverse as his. Why? Certainly their crew isn't as important as his but Blackbeard has a woman (whom I like) on his crew why can't they?
Oh, I see what you're saying. Yeah, there doesn't seem to be enough gender diversity within the series, and women are usually given similar roles within their respective arcs (with a few notable exceptions). 1 out of 11 Supernovae, 1 out of 9 Shichibukai we've seen so far, 1 out of 9 CP9 agents, none of the high-ranking marines… Not very balanced ratios, LOL.
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Oh, I see what you're saying. Yeah, there doesn't seem to be enough gender diversity within the series, and women are usually given similar roles within their respective arcs (with a few notable exceptions). 1 out of 11 Supernovae, 1 out of 9 Shichibukai we've seen so far, 1 out of 9 CP9 agents, none of the high-ranking marines… Not very balanced ratios, LOL.
Tsuru isn't high ranking?
Another thing on ratio's how many female tenryubito's have we seen? I can only remember 1 or 2 compared to a lot more male ones.
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Another thing on ratio's how many female tenryubito's have we seen? I can only remember 1 or 2 compared to a lot more male ones.
Shalulia is the only female Tenryubito we've seen. The others are Charloss, Roswald, Jalmack, and Mjosgard.
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Honestly, I think Shoujo manga typically idealizes the best men as sensitive, caring, and chaste, even when they act tough and abrasive. That is almost unobtainable behavior for self-respecting males. Similarly, Shonen mangas typically idealize the best women as bombshell sexy, gentle, and naive, even with super powers. That is stupid and unrealistic. Generally, those extremes in idealism take hold in the protagonist's love interest, and all side characters fall into the middle ground between ideal perfection and reality. There are a bunch of exceptions, including One Piece.
One Piece is full of Shonen idealism about women, but it doesn't quite take things to extremes. Girls fall for Luffy, but generally aren't obsessed over him, except one. Both his female crewmates are missing at least one aspect of the perfect female. Hancock hates cute things and kicks them out of her way. Luffy meets the perfect female character, Shirahoshi, but dislikes her, to her chagrin and our laughs. He plays with the idealism rather than shy away from them, so I can confidently say that Oda isn't truly a male chauvinist at all.
That isn't to say that there weren't times when Oda ignored the lack of female involvement in battle. On Fishman Island, Nami didn't have any special battles, and Robin didn't even fight an enemy of commander caliber. He also makes Tashigi pathetically weak even as she trains hard and improves her swordsmanship. He only passively indicates that she has Haki. And Bonney. She ends up being the first Supernova to be taken out, really?
I think he is playing with Tashigi's concept to create an effect, however, similarly to how he plays with his lack of character deaths. I think there will be a surprise later on when Tashigi and Zoro finally fight seriously, assuming that they would.
Nonetheless, the apparent inequality of males and females in One Piece does irk me a little. However, I also understand that feminist activism in Japan is not as fervent as it is in a country as diverse as the USA. I hope other forum members understand too.
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Luffy meets the perfect female character, Shirahoshi, but dislikes her, to her chagrin and our laughs. He plays with the idealism rather than shy away from them, so I can confidently say that Oda isn't truly a male chauvinist at all.
At first, I was irked by Shirahoshi's weakness and cowardice. But then it was actually acknowledged as a negative trait, by the other characters in the story. Luffy is constantly annoyed by it, and there is even some suggestion that she can't live up to the legacy of her mother, who was probably the most well-rounded female character in the entire story. I feel like Shirahoshi's stereotypically "feminine" aspects actually played a part in the storytelling, or at least her own personal struggle. I like how, unlike other female characters (coughTashigicough), she actually improves as a character by confronting Hody and saving the entire island TWICE. Oh, and saving the main character from certain death. Now that I think about it, she's probably one of the better female portrayals because she overcomes her weakness and cowardice, at least enough to save the day.
I wish Nami did badass stuff more often. Usopp is a similar character, in that he typically avoids confrontation because he is a lot weaker than the other Straw Hats. But that's an important part of his character, that he's a coward who needs to become stronger and more confident in his inherent strength. He's proved himself in his fight against Luffy, displayed the importance of knowing what you can/can't accomplish at Enies Lobby, and shown that he's a valuable fighter on the team by defeating Perona. I thought that Nami would go down a similar road, because she expresses a desire to become stronger in her fight against Ms. Double Finger, but she hasn't really acknowledged that desire since then. She's just as apt to run away or "deceive" her enemies as she was before (going along with Enel was hardly deception, anyway), and when she DOES defeat strong opponents like Kalifa, it isn't written in a way that makes it seem like personal growth (it's written like fanservice).
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I don't know what you people are going on about, but Oda is a mostly realistic dude from a logic stand point, and in the pirate age, THERE WEREN'T MANY FEMALES GOING OUT TO THE SEA WITH A PACK OF MEN DOING PIRATE THINGS. Of course they're there, but i saw them all maybe looking like Catarina Devon.
Now lets think even more logically, Oda is getting to be an older Japanese male, you gotta understand their viewpoint on women is MUCH MUCH different that America or Europe may be used to. I think we're lucky enough to have some girls in One Piece as cool as they are. -
The author draws the manga with how he imagines a Pirate world would be. And like in most pirate crews throughout history, there are very few female members.
He even had to dig out one of the only female corsairs in history (Linlin) to create a yonkou.
If you want to see women kicking ass or being focused on there are plenty of stories out there that focus in imaginary or real world where the story can focus on girls/women without losing the point, you just won't ever find that in One Piece.–- Update From New Post Merge ---
Honestly, I think Shoujo manga typically idealizes the best men as sensitive, caring, and chaste, even when they act tough and abrasive. That is almost unobtainable behavior for self-respecting males. Similarly, Shonen mangas typically idealize the best women as bombshell sexy, gentle, and naive, even with super powers. That is stupid and unrealistic. Generally, those extremes in idealism take hold in the protagonist's love interest, and all side characters fall into the middle ground between ideal perfection and reality. There are a bunch of exceptions, including One Piece.
One Piece is full of Shonen idealism about women, but it doesn't quite take things to extremes. Girls fall for Luffy, but generally aren't obsessed over him, except one. Both his female crewmates are missing at least one aspect of the perfect female. Hancock hates cute things and kicks them out of her way. Luffy meets the perfect female character, Shirahoshi, but dislikes her, to her chagrin and our laughs. He plays with the idealism rather than shy away from them, so I can confidently say that Oda isn't truly a male chauvinist at all.
That isn't to say that there weren't times when Oda ignored the lack of female involvement in battle. On Fishman Island, Nami didn't have any special battles, and Robin didn't even fight an enemy of commander caliber. He also makes Tashigi pathetically weak even as she trains hard and improves her swordsmanship. He only passively indicates that she has Haki. And Bonney. She ends up being the first Supernova to be taken out, really?
I think he is playing with Tashigi's concept to create an effect, however, similarly to how he plays with his lack of character deaths. I think there will be a surprise later on when Tashigi and Zoro finally fight seriously, assuming that they would.
Nonetheless, the apparent inequality of males and females in One Piece does irk me a little. However, I also understand that feminist activism in Japan is not as fervent as it is in a country as diverse as the USA. I hope other forum members understand too.
I hope you are as fervent when it comes to defending how men are portrayed (hairless, skinny and boyish) in soujou mangas.
Oh, what was I thinking rolls eyesYou need everything to make a world as long as everyone lives fully and is respected, just accept that and move on.
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I hope you are as fervent when it comes to defending how men are portrayed (hairless, skinny and boyish) in soujou mangas.
Oh, what was I thinking rolls eyesYou need everything to make a world as long as everyone lives fully and is respected, just accept that and move on.
Dude, Igetownd was trying to play moderator for both sides, and you still aren't satisfied.
In fact, Ige DID bring up Shojo guys, and said they are just as ridiculous as Shonen girls.Also, I can't understand your last sentence at all.
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I think that the fishman island flashback with the king and queen is the only time a 'couple' has been shown together. At no other time have we seen boyfriend-girlfriend, or husband-wife. Seems the only time sex differnces are even mentioned it's in a pervy way. The only exception I can think of is with Hancock and thats a one sided infatuation. Women are portrayed pretty much the same as men in One Piece. to even things out we need a main female character that's pervy. Or would that have been Ivanka? :)
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Dude, Igetownd was trying to play moderator for both sides, and you still aren't satisfied.
In fact, Ige DID bring up Shojo guys, and said they are just as ridiculous as Shonen girls.Also, I can't understand your last sentence at all.
Some people are never satisfied until a story fits their view of the world, but a story is told by an author and Oda is not getting influenced by any pressure group and always surprises us, much like how GORRM does with the Game of Thrones series. That is the only way a story can truely be enjoyed.
I believe Robin and Nami have awesome, moving story lines and are shown to be able to handle themselves well in a world dominated by violence and strong men.
In my opinion Oda does an awesome job and I would not change anything in the slightest. Large breasts and a tiny waist are what stimulate males biologically so it's only fair that women would be drawn to be attractive in a shonen manga. -
Some people are never satisfied until a story fits their view of the world, but a story is told by an author and Oda is not getting influenced by any pressure group and always surprises us, much like how GORRM does with the Game of Thrones series. That is the only way a story can truely be enjoyed.
I believe Robin and Nami have awesome, moving story lines and are shown to be able to handle themselves well in a world dominated by violence and strong men.
In my opinion Oda does an awesome job and I would not change anything in the slightest. Large breasts and a tiny waist are what stimulate males biologically so it's only fair that women would be drawn to be attractive in a shonen manga.Where that does makes sense, some guys do enjoy a little cushion in the mid section. (me) So there are girls like Boa Marigold, thank you Oda.
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Some people are never satisfied until a story fits their view of the world, but a story is told by an author and Oda is not getting influenced by any pressure group and always surprises us, much like how GORRM does with the Game of Thrones series. That is the only way a story can truely be enjoyed.
I believe Robin and Nami have awesome, moving story lines and are shown to be able to handle themselves well in a world dominated by violence and strong men.
In my opinion Oda does an awesome job and I would not change anything in the slightest. Large breasts and a tiny waist are what stimulate males biologically so it's only fair that women would be drawn to be attractive in a shonen manga.It's nice to know the reason women viewers can't have a relatable female character (in shape) is because males are turned on by drawings.
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His comment aside, why would women need relatable female characters "in shape"? It's not like I feel I have much in common with Franky's shape :p
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His comment aside, why would women need relatable female characters "in shape"? It's not like I feel I have much in common with Franky's shape :p
Implying Franky's character model is duplicated through the whole series, as it is with Nami/Robin/Conis/Boa/Bonney/Tashigi/Vivi/(all the rest)
You must know what I mean though…Nami and Robin's figures are basically unnatainable in the real world as far as physics and biology go. It's like Barbie, your ribs would break. The large breasts are just outrageous and would give any girl back pain for the rest of their life...
Boys had a wide variety of shapes in the crew alone...Luffy, Zoro, Usopp (post time-skip, which was like 550 episodes btw) and Franky all have different body types.
The only thing I can see being a problem is larger sized characters that aren't villians, but if you count the Fishman Princess then there you go. I'm just saying at least there's variety.
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What I want to know is how can anyone truly relate to anyone in One Piece besides Usopp, and Nami to some degree? I mean…wouldn't most real people thrust into some of the situations--even the minor ones--the Strawhat Crew is thrust into on a daily basis scare the living crap out of them?
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Implying Franky's character model is duplicated through the whole series, as it is with Nami/Robin/Conis/Boa/Bonney/Tashigi/Vivi/(all the rest)
You must know what I mean though…Nami and Robin's figures are basically unnatainable in the real world as far as physics and biology go. It's like Barbie, your ribs would break. The large breasts are just outrageous and would give any girl back pain for the rest of their life…
Boys had a wide variety of shapes in the crew alone...Luffy, Zoro, Usopp (post time-skip, which was like 550 episodes btw) and Franky all have different body types.
The only thing I can see being a problem is larger sized characters that aren't villians, but if you count the Fishman Princess then there you go. I'm just saying at least there's variety.
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"She might be a human being but she looks like a fucking ant"
Lmfao this guy…
Also superbear, no thanks ;) I'd rather live past the age of 35 and have normal internal organs :P Also her breasts seem to be on the smaller side, judging from the video of her walking (somehow...) She's definitely got nowhere near the size of Nami or Robin's breasts, coupled with that hourglass waist.
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Implying Franky's character model is duplicated through the whole series, as it is with Nami/Robin/Conis/Boa/Bonney/Tashigi/Vivi/(all the rest)
You must know what I mean though…Nami and Robin's figures are basically unnatainable in the real world as far as physics and biology go. It's like Barbie, your ribs would break. The large breasts are just outrageous and would give any girl back pain for the rest of their life...
Boys had a wide variety of shapes in the crew alone...Luffy, Zoro, Usopp (post time-skip, which was like 550 episodes btw) and Franky all have different body types.
The only thing I can see being a problem is larger sized characters that aren't villians, but if you count the Fishman Princess then there you go. I'm just saying at least there's variety.
Meh, I don't think you should feel as though you need to compete or compare yourself to them at any level. I've seen a lot of males think Oda is simply bad at drawing women, because of the anatomy issues you mentioned. Maybe you need some kind of "physical relatability" with your characters, but I personally don't, so I pretty much shrug I guess.
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Yeah don't get me wrong I generally don't feel a connection with appearance anywhere, and if anything I only slightly felt a personal connection with Robin. But Mostly I enjoy the series for what it offers anyway. But it's not really the whether I need to relate or not, but it's that no one can anyway, even if there are those few girls out there needing that.
But, it's not a big deal. I'll just step out of the thread with my answer to the title. I enjoy the series despite it being geared towards boys, and maybe that's why I like it sometimes too. Too much play on both sides of the scale could make it a completely different series, and as far as One Piece goes, it isn't over-the top anyways.
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Implying Franky's character model is duplicated through the whole series, as it is with Nami/Robin/Conis/Boa/Bonney/Tashigi/Vivi/(all the rest)
You must know what I mean though…Nami and Robin's figures are basically unnatainable in the real world as far as physics and biology go. It's like Barbie, your ribs would break. The large breasts are just outrageous and would give any girl back pain for the rest of their life…
Boys had a wide variety of shapes in the crew alone…Luffy, Zoro, Usopp (post time-skip, which was like 550 episodes btw) and Franky all have different body types.
The only thing I can see being a problem is larger sized characters that aren't villians, but if you count the Fishman Princess then there you go. I'm just saying at least there's variety.
Just want to add in a lil' note. Nami and Robin are superhuman women. Nami to a lesser degree but still. I'm sure their super strong backs can support their super big breasts. ;)
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Large breasts and a tiny waist are what stimulate males biologically so it's only fair that women would be drawn to be attractive in a shonen manga.
First of all, Nami's and Robin's bodies are unobtainable for actual women,
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First of all, Nami's and Robin's bodies are unobtainable for actual women,
and if they were, I guarantee they would freak you the fuck out.I know they're exaggerated, just like the breast and belly of the goddess of fertility are…
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Honestly, a lot of the time the breast sizes only look incredibly huge thanks to the tiny waists. If the women were drawn with proper proportions they'd still be well-endowed, but within the realm of possibility.
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The thing I hate most about discussions like these is when people make smart comments like "Yeah because Franky's body is TOTALLY realistic". It's not meant to be. People always have to pull up silly examples which show how weak their argument must be in the first place.
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The thing I hate most about discussions like these is when people make smart comments like "Yeah because Franky's body is TOTALLY realistic". It's not meant to be. People always have to pull up silly examples which show how weak their argument must be in the first place.
Why is that a silly argument?
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Why is that a silly argument?
Because his model isn't copied over onto every other male character, unlike the standard female model.
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Because his model isn't copied over onto every other male character, unlike the standard female model.
I agree with Carcharadon, if the women had accurately sized waistlines, their boobage would make more sense.Oh. Thanks.
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Because his model isn't copied over onto every other male character, unlike the standard female model.
I agree with Carcharadon, if the women had accurately sized waistlines, their boobage would make more sense.They would make a little more sense but still would be out of proportion.
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The thing I hate most about discussions like these is when people make smart comments like "Yeah because Franky's body is TOTALLY realistic". It's not meant to be. People always have to pull up silly examples which show how weak their argument must be in the first place.
I never insinuated that Franky's body ever HAD to be realistic. The previous poster said they couldn't relate to his character, and I made the point that he isn't the only body type.
Nobody actually said anything like that…you're clearly pulling things out of nowhere.
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I like how some of you complained about boob and fanservice shots when it hardly happens in OP.
If anything, Oda does fanservice to both male and female fans very well.
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Some people are never satisfied until a story fits their view of the world, but a story is told by an author and Oda is not getting influenced by any pressure group and always surprises us, much like how GORRM does with the Game of Thrones series. That is the only way a story can truely be enjoyed.
I believe Robin and Nami have awesome, moving story lines and are shown to be able to handle themselves well in a world dominated by violence and strong men.
In my opinion Oda does an awesome job and I would not change anything in the slightest. Large breasts and a tiny waist are what stimulate males biologically so it's only fair that women would be drawn to be attractive in a shonen manga.I agree that Oda does an awesome job portraying characters of all genders, including transgenders. I disagree that he's sexist. However, I also disagree that women are portrayed realistically. If he did portray women realistically, I would actually have a problem if other genders were not portrayed realistically. This manga isn't about realism. It's a fantasy. I would judge it and treat it as such.
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And honestly, Oda doesn't draw guys with realistic physique. The diet and exercise regimen to maintain the ideal musculature that, for example, Ace has is difficult and exhausting. The incredibly thin waists and huge boobs that sexy women have in One Piece will probably result in suffocation and immobility in real life. Fat people aren't drawn realistically either. Their abdomens balloon so much that the characters resemble bags of jelly with stubby legs. And Okamas. Oda shows his skills in irony there imo. He makes them look like clowns but also gives character depth eerily familiar to real transgenders/cross-dressers.In general, I see Oda giving a hint of realism in an otherwise completely fantastic world.
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I agree that Oda does an awesome job portraying characters of all genders, including transgenders.
And Okamas. Oda shows his skills in irony there imo. He makes them look like clowns but also gives character depth eerily familiar to real transgenders/cross-dressers.
Ehhh… ?
He exoticizes "transgenders" beyond recognition. Have you SEEN Ivankov and Bon Kurei?
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Ehhh… ?
He exoticizes "transgenders" beyond recognition. Have you SEEN Ivankov and Bon Kurei?Have you seen transvensties standing on a corner while driving throught a boulevard very late at night going home from a party at 4am??
Heavy make up, strong chins, sometimes chest hair and leg hair, tights, miniskirt, a wig. I never checked but I bet they can work out the hell wink for the right fee, and wouldn't be surprised if they knew okama kempo.
Seriously now, his okama portrayal covers only the "underworld" and not the "normal" guy next door gay men.
I think his okama portrayal its what most straight men fear of a transvesty, my male friends and boyfriend that watch one piece where beyond horrified at first at the okamas, and shared most of Sanji's feelings. In that regard, after the story goes on and Bon Chan and IVankok's characters get develped further, the weirdness goes away, Luffy treats them like any other person, and that helps that cringing feeling my friends had to go away.
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Ehhh… ?
He exoticizes "transgenders" beyond recognition. Have you SEEN Ivankov and Bon Kurei?
Or did you mean they're actually good-natured protagonists? Which yeah, I guess is pretty cool.You haven't been down Bourbon Street in New Orleans have you? Tisk, tisk.
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Have you seen transvensties standing on a corner while driving throught a boulevard very late at night going home from a party at 4am??
Heavy make up, strong chins, sometimes chest hair and leg hair, tights, miniskirt, a wig. I never checked but I bet they can work out the hell wink for the right fee, and wouldn't be surprised if they knew okama kempo.
I suppose I was thinking of normal trans people, and not crossdressing sex workers, which is apparently what you are referring to.
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Women in one piece are potrayed strong willed and beautiful while in series like Naruto/bleach girls are usually just there to be saved from some villain. It must also be taken into account that Oda made this series for BOYS and boys like BOOBS.
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Women in one piece are potrayed strong willed and beautiful while in series like Naruto/bleach girls are usually just there to be saved from some villain. It must also be taken into account that Oda made this series for BOYS and boys like BOOBS.
Regardless of how I enjoy watching Nami after time-skip,she lost something…I just don't know what.The originality of having short hair?
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Regardless of how I enjoy watching Nami after time-skip,she lost something…I just don't know what.
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…clothes?
Her clothes just moved down to her legs. They can only cover one half of her body at a time.
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Have you seen transvensties standing on a corner while driving throught a boulevard very late at night going home from a party at 4am??
Heavy make up, strong chins, sometimes chest hair and leg hair, tights, miniskirt, a wig. I never checked but I bet they can work out the hell wink for the right fee, and wouldn't be surprised if they knew okama kempo.
Seriously now, his okama portrayal covers only the "underworld" and not the "normal" guy next door gay men.
I think his okama portrayal its what most straight men fear of a transvesty, my male friends and boyfriend that watch one piece where beyond horrified at first at the okamas, and shared most of Sanji's feelings. In that regard, after the story goes on and Bon Chan and IVankok's characters get develped further, the weirdness goes away, Luffy treats them like any other person, and that helps that cringing feeling my friends had to go away.
Indeed. I hate to say it, but I shared the feelings Sanji had towards the Okamas.
I really don't think I am the only one who sort of shuddered when they were in Impel Down on these forums.
It isn't like they are less than other people, but if ya aren't used to it, it does come off a little strong.