@Al!naJames:
^ there's a certain point up to which you can deny things, don't need to get over ridicules line.
I'm not really denying anything. Just pointing out a silly possibility.
@Al!naJames:
^ there's a certain point up to which you can deny things, don't need to get over ridicules line.
I'm not really denying anything. Just pointing out a silly possibility.
The man in your avatar seems to disagree…
We barely saw Marco do anything with his Zoan ability at all, other than fly, heal himself via his phoenix ability, and attack Akainu 1 time….
Though i did see footage of him in some One Piece games, where he used his wings to strike at oppenents, so i guess if he used that in combo with his haki, i suppose it could be pretty worthwhile.....
We don't know how he got up there, though. He could have grabbed an random object (like a brick or a metal bar) and made it levitate while holding onto it.
Actually. If you watch the movie, Shiki clearly explained his ability to the SH's. The only living thing he can move with his DF power is himself, otherwise it only works on inanimate objects, to which the likes of Luffy, Chopper and Ussop were disapointed cuz they wanted him to use the power on them.
We don't know how he got up there, though. He could have grabbed an random object (like a brick or a metal bar) and made it levitate while holding onto it.
Really,just really?
Shiki said in the movie that he can levitate himself and objects, just not other living things.
@Superbear:
Really,just really?
Nope. I said it was a silly possibility.
Nope. I said it was a silly possibility.
Its not any kind of possibility, he flies with or without peg legs, I could use the anime but that's often frowned upon in these types of situations.
I think that the most popular theory about Blackbeard is that he has a Cerberus devil fruit but I was wondering if maybe his mother could have had the Cerberus fruit and he would be born as a hybrid or something. That would also explain why Blackbeard was crying when he was younger because kids would make fun of him for being a freak.I'm not really sure if devil fruits work like this but it's still a possibility.
Will Blackbeard really be the "final boss" in One Piece? The two contenders are without a doubt him and Akainu, but Akainu was the one who actually killed Ace while Blackbeard only captured him. Blackbeard will have to do more evil before Luffy if he's to become a final contender for the Pirate King title at the end of this story. I just went through the Jaya arc once again, and it's hard not to like Blackbeard during it. Obviously he does bad shit later on, but not really… Remember that Law took out the hearts from 100 pirates just to get the Shichibukai title. The only reason that's not worse in our eyes is because Ace is family
Lol, Akainu won't because he will see the faults of the government when raftel is revealed and he will "break".
Luffy will kill him as a marine. Not as a person.
Point come across though, Blackbeard is not a thoroughly convincing last boss-villain for Luffy just by capturing someone who was killed by someone else. There needs to be more, which I'm sure will be added eventually
Point come across though, Blackbeard is not a thoroughly convincing last boss-villain for Luffy just by capturing someone who was killed by someone else. There needs to be more, which I'm sure will be added eventually
How about the death of Luffy idol Shanks.
How about the death of Luffy idol Shanks.
That would definitely be one thing that could convince me
I think the last boss will be a totally new character imo.
Blackbeard will be involved obviously, but some new rookie will be the one shaking the world and sending it into chaos for Luffy and his crew to defeat.
Going by Whitebeard's last words, there's a bigger chance of Akainu being the final boss than Blackbeard.
I think that the most popular theory about Blackbeard is that he has a Cerberus devil fruit but I was wondering if maybe his mother could have had the Cerberus fruit and he would be born as a hybrid or something. That would also explain why Blackbeard was crying when he was younger because kids would make fun of him for being a freak.I'm not really sure if devil fruits work like this but it's still a possibility.
Yeah, I don't like the cerberus theory on account of how Marco notes the makeup of Blackbeard's body is 'atypical', and that might be why he could steal the gura gura powers - if this was in reference to him being a cerberus man, then the surprise here would be unnecessary, because he already knows he has darkness powers.
Will Blackbeard really be the "final boss" in One Piece? The two contenders are without a doubt him and Akainu, but Akainu was the one who actually killed Ace while Blackbeard only captured him. Blackbeard will have to do more evil before Luffy if he's to become a final contender for the Pirate King title at the end of this story. I just went through the Jaya arc once again, and it's hard not to like Blackbeard during it. Obviously he does bad shit later on, but not really… Remember that Law took out the hearts from 100 pirates just to get the Shichibukai title. The only reason that's not worse in our eyes is because Ace is family
akainu works for the world govt so its world govt and blackbeard
I was reading through some of the FI arc chapters yesterday and got to one of the last ones where Jinbei said that the BB are hunting powerful DF users and getting their powers..and darn now I really want to know what powers have they obtained
I think it would be hilarious if luffy beats blackbeard by throwing him in the water. If he has that many powers imagine how fast he will sink XD.
I think it would be hilarious if luffy beats blackbeard by throwing him in the water. If he has that many powers imagine how fast he will sink XD.
This, 16 characters.
People seem to forgett that Akainu is god damn the good guy. He isnt corrupt, he isnt evil. Hell is is one of the few marines who did his job at the war. Unlike this stupid Garp and sengoku who did like nothing.
People seem to forgett that Akainu is god damn the good guy. He isnt corrupt, he isnt evil. Hell is is one of the few marines who did his job at the war. Unlike this stupid Garp and sengoku who did like nothing.
Not sure if serious.
Well tell me why he is evil? Isnt he the one fighting for the marines? Justice all to him. He killed Ace cause Ace is a freaking criminal. He attacked Luffy cause luffy is a freaking criminal. And Wb? The same shit. All of them are criminals who needs to be punished from Akainus view.
Well tell me why he is evil? Isnt he the one fighting for the marines? Justice all to him. He killed Ace cause Ace is a freaking criminal. He attacked Luffy cause luffy is a freaking criminal. And Wb? The same shit. All of them are criminals who needs to be punished from Akainus view.
You forgot the part where he blew up an evacuation ship filled with innocent civilians.
Because there was a high chance there of having a terrorist on board who could destroy the world. His theme is absolute justice and not evil. He will never be the endboss but a miniboss.
Because there was a high chance there of having a terrorist on board who could destroy the world. His theme is absolute justice and not evil. He will never be the endboss but a miniboss.
Too bad the theme of the series is less "good vs. evil" and more "freedom vs. absolute justice".
Of all the characters we've seen so far, Akainu represents far more the opposite of everything Luffy stands for. He's better final boss material than Blackbeard, IMO.
Too bad the theme of the series is less "good vs. evil" and more "freedom vs. absolute justice".
Of all the characters we've seen so far, Akainu represents far more the opposite of everything Luffy stands for. He's better final boss material than Blackbeard, IMO.
I respect your opinion BUT I couldn't disagree more. Akainu's opposition to Luffy is his ideal of absolute justice to Luffy's idea of absolute freedom, and then you have the fact he killed Ace. However Akainu is the only central figure in the Marines that is in complete opposition to Luffy so if Luffy vs Akainu is the final boss then who do the other SH's fight? Blackbeard is pretty much a dark Luffy or a parallel Luffy. He has the same goals and many of the same beliefs HOWEVER he goes about them in a completely different way (betrayal, recruiting only strong crew members) and the way his crew as a whole is, is the antithesis of the SHs. He recruited Shiryuu lasts yet Shiryuu seems to be his most powerful member unlike Zoro who was recruited first. His crew threatened to break up if he failed to retrieve WB's fruit but Luffy's crew wanted to do whatever it took to be with him after his brother died. So I think as a overall concept Blackbeard is a far better final villain and could shape up to be one of the best in any manga series. As for Akainu, Kid has an opposition to Luffy as well in that he is the only other captain with a SN first mate and has the only bounty higher than Luffy's. Kid also sees people who dare insult his dreams as serious offenders while Luffy allows stuff like that to bounce off him. Obviously even being a massive Kid fanboy, I'm not delusional/retarded enough to think Kid is final villain material (not saying thinking Akainu is final villain material is retarded). I think Akainu presents a great challenge and adversary to Luffy but Blackbeard presents the direct threat to his dream.
I respect your opinion BUT I couldn't disagree more. Akainu's opposition to Luffy is his ideal of absolute justice to Luffy's idea of absolute freedom, and then you have the fact he killed Ace. However Akainu is the only central figure in the Marines that is in complete opposition to Luffy so if Luffy vs Akainu is the final boss then who do the other SH's fight? Blackbeard is pretty much a dark Luffy or a parallel Luffy. He has the same goals and many of the same beliefs HOWEVER he goes about them in a completely different way (betrayal, recruiting only strong crew members) and the way his crew as a whole is, is the antithesis of the SHs. He recruited Shiryuu lasts yet Shiryuu seems to be his most powerful member unlike Zoro who was recruited first. His crew threatened to break up if he failed to retrieve WB's fruit but Luffy's crew wanted to do whatever it took to be with him after his brother died. So I think as a overall concept Blackbeard is a far better final villain and could shape up to be one of the best in any manga series. As for Akainu, Kid has an opposition to Luffy as well in that he is the only other captain with a SN first mate and has the only bounty higher than Luffy's. Kid also sees people who dare insult his dreams as serious offenders while Luffy allows stuff like that to bounce off him. Obviously even being a massive Kid fanboy, I'm not delusional/retarded enough to think Kid is final villain material (not saying thinking Akainu is final villain material is retarded). I think Akainu presents a great challenge and adversary to Luffy but Blackbeard presents the direct threat to his dream.
But that's exactly why blackbeard won't be the final boss. Luffy's journey is turning out to be about more then just fullfilling his dream. As whitebeard mentioned before his death. There will be a great war in which the marines will have to take amends for everything they have done (void centruy, etc..) Blackbeard will be luffy's opponent for the title of Pirate King and to get One Piece. But akainu will be his opponent in the great war in which all of the people that luffy has met during his journey will fight by his sides to change the world in which everyone is equal and the government will be reassimilated. With perhaps coby and smoker and sengoku and aokiji at the top of the newly formed marines.
In regards to the "who fights who?" thing, I'm looking at the Gorosei for that. Akainu + Gorosei starts to even the sides a bit more.
I think people forget that it will not be just Luffy vs. Akainu but the StrawHats vs. The World Government.
Similar to Marineford, but much more intense.
I respect your opinion BUT I couldn't disagree more. Akainu's opposition to Luffy is his ideal of absolute justice to Luffy's idea of absolute freedom, and then you have the fact he killed Ace. However Akainu is the only central figure in the Marines that is in complete opposition to Luffy so if Luffy vs Akainu is the final boss then who do the other SH's fight? Blackbeard is pretty much a dark Luffy or a parallel Luffy. He has the same goals and many of the same beliefs HOWEVER he goes about them in a completely different way (betrayal, recruiting only strong crew members) and the way his crew as a whole is, is the antithesis of the SHs. He recruited Shiryuu lasts yet Shiryuu seems to be his most powerful member unlike Zoro who was recruited first. His crew threatened to break up if he failed to retrieve WB's fruit but Luffy's crew wanted to do whatever it took to be with him after his brother died. So I think as a overall concept Blackbeard is a far better final villain and could shape up to be one of the best in any manga series. As for Akainu, Kid has an opposition to Luffy as well in that he is the only other captain with a SN first mate and has the only bounty higher than Luffy's. Kid also sees people who dare insult his dreams as serious offenders while Luffy allows stuff like that to bounce off him. Obviously even being a massive Kid fanboy, I'm not delusional/retarded enough to think Kid is final villain material (not saying thinking Akainu is final villain material is retarded). I think Akainu presents a great challenge and adversary to Luffy but Blackbeard presents the direct threat to his dream.
Your argument pretty much boils down to "there's not enough opponents for the other Strawhats" when Luffy and Akainu eventually clash, which is stupid. When you count Kizaru and the 10 or so Vice-Admirals that were introduced so far, plus Mihawk and even Kuma, you have plenty of match-up opportunities.
Your argument pretty much boils down to "there's not enough opponents for the other Strawhats" when Luffy and Akainu eventually clash, which is stupid. When you count Kizaru and the 10 or so Vice-Admirals that were introduced so far, plus Mihawk and even Kuma, you have plenty of match-up opportunities.
Uh… no. Apparently you missed the main point of what I was saying. You're implying that because Akainu killed Ace and is part of the WG he is more important to the story. Odds are the final war will be an amped up Marineford which would make the WG akainu/kizaru/VAs the enemies with Akainu playing a large role in that. However as the villain who poses the greatest threat to Luffy's dream and stands for everything Luffy is against, Blackbeard is that villain. So either Luffy fights Akainu as the final boss because he killed his brother and is involved in the WG which Luffy only deals with because they are after him, OR Luffy fights Blackbeard whose existence and way of achieving his dreams is the exact opposite of Luffy's. You really think all the Shichibukai will side with the government? If you want to disagree with my argument fine but trying to oversimplify it doesn't make you right.
I think the newly formed WG after when SH discover the true history will team up to stop BlackBeard and his allies. Either that or BlackBeard takes over the WG. I truly believe that BB will be the big bad and final boss of OP.
Really Akainu didn't kill Ace, Blackbeard did. If Blackbeard had never killed Thacth, Ace would have never went searching for him, they would have never fought on that island, Ace would have never been imprisoned in Impel Down, Blackbeard wouldn't have become a warlord, Blackbeard would have never hijacked a Marine ship to Impel to amass his crew, and Whitebeard would have never died. What I'm saying is that Blackbeard really was the one dominate force that developed Luffy's (and Ace's) character,because if not for him none of the final events of part 1 (excluding the Strawhat separation) would have happened. Also when using common sense who has had more set up,Blackbeard or Akainu? Now of course Akainu is important but will he be the final villain, probably not, Blackbeard has a lot more going for him story-wise than Akainu does. The ONLY warlord I see at this time really helping the World Government do anything against the Strawhats is Kuma.
Buggy- no
Mihawk- one on one with Zoro in a closed location, for honor not for the World government
Do Flamingo- Is his own saga villain, which we are at the beginning right now
Law- lol
Hancock- lol
Kuma- Has no soul of his own anymore, and is a puppet of the World Government
@Superbear:
Really Akainu didn't kill Ace, Blackbeard did. If Blackbeard had never killed Thacth, Ace would have never went searching for him, they would have never fought on that island, Ace would have never been imprisoned in Impel Down, Blackbeard wouldn't have become a warlord, Blackbeard would have never hijacked a Marine ship to Impel to amass his crew, and Whitebeard would have never died. What I'm saying is that Blackbeard really was the one dominate force that developed Luffy's (and Ace's) character,because if not for him none of the final events of part 1 (excluding the Strawhat separation) would have happened. Also when using common sense who has had more set up,Blackbeard or Akainu? Now of course Akainu is important but will he be the final villain, probably not, Blackbeard has a lot more going for him story-wise than Akainu does. The ONLY warlord I see at this time really helping the World Government do anything against the Strawhats is Kuma.
Buggy- no
Mihawk- one on one with Zoro in a closed location, for honor not for the World government
Do Flamingo- Is his own saga villain, which we are at the beginning right now
Law- lol
Hancock- lol
Kuma- Has no soul of his own anymore, and is a puppet of the World Government
Akainu killed him. If BB wanted to kill Ace, he could have. He even stated to WB during their fight, out of respect, he left Ace alive.
Plus, Ace was the one that acted like the hot head he is and went after Blackbeard, even after Whitebeard told him in this case he was making an exception because he had a bad feeling about what was going on.
If Ace had left things alone and just listened, none of this woulda happenned. Whitebeard woulda eventually crossed paths with BB, and woulda crushed him very easily
Considering that Blackbeard has been hyped for way longer than Akainu, the way Shanks talked about his eventual rise to power, and that he is far more charismatic than Akainu, I would say that Blackbeard has better chances right now.
Uh… no. Apparently you missed the main point of what I was saying. You're implying that because Akainu killed Ace and is part of the WG he is more important to the story. Odds are the final war will be an amped up Marineford which would make the WG akainu/kizaru/VAs the enemies with Akainu playing a large role in that. However as the villain who poses the greatest threat to Luffy's dream and stands for everything Luffy is against, Blackbeard is that villain. So either Luffy fights Akainu as the final boss because he killed his brother and is involved in the WG which Luffy only deals with because they are after him, OR Luffy fights Blackbeard whose existence and way of achieving his dreams is the exact opposite of Luffy's. You really think all the Shichibukai will side with the government? If you want to disagree with my argument fine but trying to oversimplify it doesn't make you right.
First of all, I never said anything about Ace. So stop making shit up.
The thing is, you're being very naive by thinking that the series will end with Luffy realizing his dream of becoming the Pirate King. If you reread Whitebeard's final words, you will see that's not the case at all.
Also, you're the one oversimplifying things. Akainu is not only "part of the WG", he's the leader of the Marines, the WG's greatest military power. If a war is fated to happen between the Strawhats and the WG at the very end of the series, then Akainu is the closest thing to a true final boss right now.
I think the newly formed WG after when SH discover the true history will team up to stop BlackBeard and his allies. Either that or BlackBeard takes over the WG. I truly believe that BB will be the big bad and final boss of OP.
Again. Reread Whitebeard's last speech. It's called foreshadowing.
Blackbeard will most likely be the final boss for the title of Pirate King, but the series won't end there.
Again. Reread Whitebeard's last speech. It's called foreshadowing.
Blackbeard will most likely be the final boss for the title of Pirate King, but the series won't end there.
All Whitebeard said in last speech was there will be a war engulf whole world. Nowhere dose it say BB will lose before that war. What's to say oda doesn't do what he did with Marineford with BB. You act if it's set in stone BB won't be apart of the end war, if he only wanted PK title i would agree with but BB wnats to rule the world. Blackbeard has far too much hype and foreshadowing not be including in final war at least.
Akainu killed him. If BB wanted to kill Ace, he could have. He even stated to WB during their fight, out of respect, he left Ace alive.
Plus, Ace was the one that acted like the hot head he is and went after Blackbeard, even after Whitebeard told him in this case he was making an exception because he had a bad feeling about what was going on.If Ace had left things alone and just listened, none of this woulda happenned. Whitebeard woulda eventually crossed paths with BB, and woulda crushed him very easily
I understand the Akainu did in fact kill Ace, however Blackbeard directly or indirectly orchestrated his death by killing Thacth. That one event caused a chain reaction that lead to the Battle at Maniford at the end of part one.
Well tell me why he is evil? Isnt he the one fighting for the marines? Justice all to him. He killed Ace cause Ace is a freaking criminal. He attacked Luffy cause luffy is a freaking criminal. And Wb? The same shit. All of them are criminals who needs to be punished from Akainus view.
Well, Im not sure if my opinion is the consensus here, but I would say people tend to view him as a bit too fanatical/obsessed with his idea of "Justice", leading him to overstep temperance and restraint more often than not.
First of all, I never said anything about Ace. So stop making shit up. The thing is, you're being very naive by thinking that the series will end with Luffy realizing his dream of becoming the Pirate King. If you reread Whitebeard's final words, you will see that's not the case at all. Also, you're the one oversimplifying things. Akainu is not only "part of the WG", he's the leader of the Marines, the WG's greatest military power. If a war is fated to happen between the Strawhats and the WG at the very end of the series, then Akainu is the closest thing to a true final boss right now.
Apart from killing Ace, Akainu's impact is far less than Blackbeard's. You were stating Akainu is a better final villain but he hasn't done anything. Also I said what you "implied" not what you "said" was the reason for Akainu to be the final villain is because of his connection to Luffy which most notably is Ace. Akainu very recently killed Ace and became Fleet Admiral. I know that there is going to be a war after One Piece is found but that also doesn't mean it will be orchestrated by Luffy, he might find out the truth of the void century and this spurs the Revolutionaries. Akainu vs Dragon is far more likely imho, Luffy fighting alongside his father is possible but Akainu as a stand alone villain without the WG behind him is pretty empty compared to Blackbeard.
@Superbear:
I understand the Akainu did in fact kill Ace, however Blackbeard directly or indirectly orchestrated his death by killing Thacth. That one event caused a chain reaction that lead to the Battle at Maniford at the end of part one.
Killing Thatch was nver his plan. It was a spur of the moment thing, when he saw he had his fruit - he did what he had to do. No one forced Ace to go after him. Ace was being Ace - a hot head who can't control himself when his old man gets insulted…
Killing Thatch was nver his plan. It was a spur of the moment thing, when he saw he had his fruit - he did what he had to do. No one forced Ace to go after him. Ace was being Ace - a hot head who can't control himself when his old man gets insulted…
Completely agree. I love Ace but it was his fault he died. He completely ignored his Captains orders and went after Blackbeard ( who by the way planned to take down Luffy and not Ace so he can become a Shichibukai) then lost and was imprisoned. Blackbeard has nothing to do with it. He could have killed Ace but didn´t and just gave him to the WG
Killing Thatch was nver his plan. It was a spur of the moment thing, when he saw he had his fruit - he did what he had to do. No one forced Ace to go after him. Ace was being Ace - a hot head who can't control himself when his old man gets insulted…
Completely agree. I love Ace but it was his fault he died. He completely ignored his Captains orders and went after Blackbeard ( who by the way planned to take down Luffy and not Ace so he can become a Shichibukai) then lost and was imprisoned. Blackbeard has nothing to do with it. He could have killed Ace but didn´t and just gave him to the WG
If Blackbeard hadn't killed Thatch, spur of the moment or not Ace's wouldn't of had a reason to go after him.
@Superbear:
If Blackbeard hadn't killed Thatch, spur of the moment or not Ace's wouldn't of had a reason to go after him.
But Ace was entirely capable of not pursuing Blackbeard. And he did it anyway.
But Ace was entirely capable of not pursuing Blackbeard. And he did it anyway.
True but if Blackbeard had not killed Thatch there would be no reason for Ace to pursue Blackbeard.
@Superbear:
True but if Blackbeard had not killed Thatch there would be no reason for Ace to pursue Blackbeard.
Okay, if Thatch didn't have the Yami Yami Fruit then Blackbeard wouldn't have had a reason to kill him. So by your logic you could just as equally blame Thatch for Ace's death.
Okay, if Thatch didn't have the Yami Yami Fruit then Blackbeard wouldn't have had a reason to kill him. So by your logic you could just as equally blame Thatch for Ace's death.
Well yeah, that's actually legit.
@Superbear:
Well yeah, that's actually legit.
I think we're done here.
I think we're done here.
Well if your going to be closed minded about it, well yeah, we are.