Also, I want all of the SN to get as much screen time as law and Kid do.
As much as I would love that to happen, I think it's extremely unlikely, given the established Luffy/Law/Kid triangle at Sabaody.
Also, I want all of the SN to get as much screen time as law and Kid do.
As much as I would love that to happen, I think it's extremely unlikely, given the established Luffy/Law/Kid triangle at Sabaody.
As much as I would love that to happen, I think it's extremely unlikely, given the established Luffy/Law/Kid triangle at Sabaody.
Sadly… but Oda is the Oda who turned buggy into a messiah, so I think we will at least hear of them causing huge incidents and being involved in major battles on the race to Raftel.
Yes, because his ridiculousness and the thought that went into him makes it obvious that he will be important in the future. He's my favorite supernova and probably the second most popular SN of the posters on this thread, I may be nice but certain… other people are not me. I would advise hiding before getting smashed under a pile of gifs.
I am disappointed we saw Kid instead of Capone. Don't get me wrong, I like Kid more than Capone, but Capone seems more likely to have underworld connections than someone who can't hold a conversation with most people without killing them. Also, I want all of the SN to get as much screen time as law and Kid do.
He's definitely the one I dislike the most. Not saying he can't do anything or he's weak, which he's obviously not, I just don't like him as a character nor do I like his fruit.
Sadly… but Oda is the Oda who turned buggy into a messiah, so I think we will at least hear of them causing huge incidents and being involved in major battles on the race to Raftel.
I hope Oda hears you, because Kid and Law have way more screentime than the others SN, and they aren´t my favorites ( well, at least not Law, the ones i really like are Apoo, Urouge, Drake and Kidd ). Maybe they're the strongest ones aside from Luffy, but that doesn't mean the others don't deserve protagonism, i think it's really the opposite.
Anyway, the SN's were originally designed to appear in the NW, so we can at least assume they will appear and have important roles :happy:
Even though I don't like Capone much either, I agree with Brizan in that it would make more sense for the likes of Capone to be among the group watching this video, as he would seem more the type to be into amassing military power.
However, I think the point of all of this will be like the auction house, where you have Kid saying "hey, I bet this could be interesting even if we buy nothing" and then he gets to watch the spectacle of the Straw Hats creating havoc, while Killer kindly explains to him what's happening
When you think about it, Kid is the ultimate spectator, he always sits back to observe Luffy and talk crap about how cool he is. Third time it happens. Hopefully he starts actually doing stuff later.
And if I sound mean I'm sorry, I just don't like Kid.
Even though I don't like Capone much either, I agree with Brizan in that it would make more sense for the likes of Capone to be among the group watching this video, as he would seem more the type to be into amassing military power.
However, I think the point of all of this will be like the auction house, where you have Kid saying "hey, I bet this could be interesting even if we buy nothing" and then he gets to watch the spectacle of the Straw Hats creating havoc, while Killer kindly explains to him what's happening
When you think about it, Kid is the ultimate spectator, he always sits back to observe Luffy and talk crap about how cool he is. Third time it happens. Hopefully he starts actually doing stuff later.
And if I sound mean I'm sorry, I just don't like Kid.
Well, Kid had nothing to do with the Auction House, the Marineford War or the current events on Punk Hazard, so it's not like he can do anything but watch.
Well, Kid had nothing to do with the Auction House, the Marineford War or the current events on Punk Hazard, so it's not like he can do anything but watch.
Which is why he's still an uninteresting character to me. Law did something in all those events, so he actually interests me. Bonney did something after the war so she interests me. Drake did something after the war so he interests me.
Heck, even Apoo interests me just from saying "hey, Kizaru hasn't seen us or anything, but I bet it'd still be kickass if I save Hawkins's butt and see how strong he is."
Kid's one personality thing was showing off to Luffy and Law and boasting. Color me uninterested.
Which is why he's still an uninteresting character to me. Law did something in all those events, so he actually interests me. Bonney did something after the war so she interests me. Drake did something after the war so he interests me.
Heck, even Apoo interests me just from saying "hey, Kizaru hasn't seen us or anything, but I bet it'd still be kickass if I save Hawkins's butt and see how strong he is."Kid's one personality thing was showing off to Luffy and Law and boasting. Color me uninterested.
Well, he did sink two of Big Mom's ships.
While Killer kindly explains to him what's happening
And if I sound mean I'm sorry, I just don't like Kid.
Which is why he's still an uninteresting character to me. Law did something in all those events, so he actually interests me. Bonney did something after the war so she interests me. Drake did something after the war so he interests me.
Heck, even Apoo interests me just from saying "hey, Kizaru hasn't seen us or anything, but I bet it'd still be kickass if I save Hawkins's butt and see how strong he is."Kid's one personality thing was showing off to Luffy and Law and boasting. Color me uninterested.
Couldn't help but laugh at that bolded part, we seem to have the same opinion about Kidd.
Don't get me wrong, he does seem strong and all..But he's just been pretty bland so far, sitting back and watching everything unfold (aside from Big Moms ships of course)..I really hope we get to see a different side of him now that it's two years later..Although I doubt I'll like him much more either way..
Doflamingo sits back and watches everything, and practically everyone loves him. I guess he's just cooler than Kidd; more lovable and all that.
In my opinion, Doflamingo, even though we have seen little of him as well, promises something Kid hasn't promised yet: depth.
And yes, he's cooler … comes off as uncaring and doing things just for fun and entertainment value, while Kid simply seems petty and arrogant.
@Devil:
I hope Oda hears you, because Kid and Law have way more screentime than the others SN, and they aren´t my favorites ( well, at least not Law, the ones i really like are Apoo, Urouge, Drake and Kidd ). Maybe they're the strongest ones aside from Luffy, but that doesn't mean the others don't deserve protagonism, i think it's really the opposite.
Anyway, the SN's were originally designed to appear in the NW, so we can at least assume they will appear and have important roles :happy:
Lol my four favorite are 1. Apoo 2. Drake 3. Kid 4. Urouge. I don't think Kid, Law and Luffy are significantly stronger than Hawkins, Drake and Apoo(though I don't think he causes as many big incidents), they just happen to run into Luffy more since Drake and Hawkins couldn't care less about anyone else. I feel like the others are all really strong too. Besides Drake might have had the edge on all the others on learning haki since that was what separated him from the vice admirals one rank ahead of him.
In my opinion, Doflamingo, even though we have seen little of him as well, promises something Kid hasn't promised yet: depth.
And yes, he's cooler … comes off as uncaring and doing things just for fun and entertainment value, while Kid simply seems petty and arrogant.
I don't know, I thought that Kidd's line at the auction house was pretty cool. About how pirates were more righteous than the terrible people ruling the world. But you're right, he is rather bland so far, which makes me bemoan the fact that he gets screen time when Bonney, Apoo, and Hawkins don't. Unless that was Hawkins in the bottom-right corner, but the hilt was wrong…
In my opinion, Doflamingo, even though we have seen little of him as well, promises something Kid hasn't promised yet: depth.
And yes, he's cooler … comes off as uncaring and doing things just for fun and entertainment value, while Kid simply seems petty and arrogant.
I don't see much depth on Doflamingo, to be honest. Right now, he seems to be the same person he was in his childhood, chilling and laughing at whatever.
Kid at least talked a bit about himself.
I don't see much depth on Doflamingo, to be honest. Right now, he seems to be the same person he was in his childhood, chilling and laughing at whatever.
If you look closely at his childhood picture you can see that he was homeless or at least poor, he gained everything he has through the fruits of his own labor. Which is at least a little preliminary depth.
Is anyone else hearing of these rumors about the SuperNovas new bounties? Somebody said Drake was ungodly high and that Hawkins along with Law had passed Luffy
rumors say that luffy is already the pirate king when it has not happened yet as well!
If you look closely at his childhood picture you can see that he was homeless or at least poor, he gained everything he has through the fruits of his own labor. Which is at least a little preliminary depth.
Own labor? We're talking about a master manipulator here.
Then you're answering your own question. Doflamingo is the biggest scheming character since Blackbeard infiltrated the WB pirates just to get the Yami Yami no mi (I think that's the name). He's heading what was called the New Era of pirates which was teased since Jaya and still hasn't been completely explained.
There's also the whole deal with "Smileys being in" and now his role as Joker. The character is so rich already without having actually had an arc based on him.
This is an issue for a different thread. My point is, Kid's contribution so far is as a witness and for exposition, minor battle scenes at the auction aside. Does this mean I think he's a bad character? No, I think he has potential to be big in the future and serve a big role in coming events. But right now, he's bland and he hasn't proved himself interesting to me.
Then you're answering your own question. Doflamingo is the biggest scheming character since Blackbeard infiltrated the WB pirates just to get the Yami Yami no mi (I think that's the name). He's heading what was called the New Era of pirates which was teased since Jaya and still hasn't been completely explained.
There's also the whole deal with "Smileys being in" and now his role as Joker. The character is so rich already without having actually had an arc based on him.
I noted this before, but Doflamingo's statement makes sense now, considering recent events.
@nodensuke:
Interesting..But, you should post the source of said rumors, otherwise it just sounds pretty fake.
It was just multiple people on YT comments who had no sources so I assumed it was fake but since I saw it a few times I was wondering if anyone else had info on them.
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As for people not liking Kid, that makes no sense (and it's not even like I'm biased . Why Law is the #1 liked SuperNova makes not a lot of sense, granted he has a cool design but all we've seen is him saving Luffy and we don't know much about him, so I don't see how he is more interesting than Kid. The only reason we are knowing more about him is because he is involved in PH. As for WHY I like Kid, it's similar to why I like Blackbeard but different. Blackbeard is like a backwards Luffy both believing in dreams and the same ideas but Blackbeard goes about it by backstabbing and with little care to his crew he is like a Dark Luffy. Kid is similar, when he replies to Luffy saying "I'm gonna be pirate king" by saying that he killed anyone who dared to laugh at him. It immediately drew the difference, Luffy allowed Bellamy to mock him much like Shanks, while Kid responded violently and murderously. Kid to me is like a ruthless and serious Luffy, unlike Luffy and Blackbeard who almost fought over food.
Also apart from this small parallel or whatever, the way Oda set Kid up made him very interesting to me. He is the only SuperNova with a higher bounty than Luffy, and he is the only SuperNova who's "1st mate/right hand" is also a SuperNova who also wields blades. Ironically I don't find Killer as interesting but the potential Kid/Killer and Luffy/Zoro fight is the final straw (no pun intended) on why I like him. Also his Jolly Roger reminds me of the Joker (Batman villain) with the glascow smile. He also has a heavy metal theme (my favorite music) and the post-TS with all his scars and mechanical arm means he obviously fought someone he shouldn't have. I know I'm rambling but I thought he'd be more arrogant about Luffy but he respects his ballsyness so I gotta love Kid.
It was just multiple people on YT comments who had no sources so I assumed it was fake but since I saw it a few times I was wondering if anyone else had info on them.
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As for people not liking Kid, that makes no sense (and it's not even like I'm biased . Why Law is the #1 liked SuperNova makes not a lot of sense, granted he has a cool design but all we've seen is him saving Luffy and we don't know much about him, so I don't see how he is more interesting than Kid. The only reason we are knowing more about him is because he is involved in PH. As for WHY I like Kid, it's similar to why I like Blackbeard but different. Blackbeard is like a backwards Luffy both believing in dreams and the same ideas but Blackbeard goes about it by backstabbing and with little care to his crew he is like a Dark Luffy. Kid is similar, when he replies to Luffy saying "I'm gonna be pirate king" by saying that he killed anyone who dared to laugh at him. It immediately drew the difference, Luffy allowed Bellamy to mock him much like Shanks, while Kid responded violently and murderously. Kid to me is like a ruthless and serious Luffy, unlike Luffy and Blackbeard who almost fought over food.
Also apart from this small parallel or whatever, the way Oda set Kid up made him very interesting to me. He is the only SuperNova with a higher bounty than Luffy, and he is the only SuperNova who's "1st mate/right hand" is also a SuperNova who also wields blades. Ironically I don't find Killer as interesting but the potential Kid/Killer and Luffy/Zoro fight is the final straw (no pun intended) on why I like him. Also his Jolly Roger reminds me of the Joker (Batman villain) with the glascow smile. He also has a heavy metal theme (my favorite music) and the post-TS with all his scars and mechanical arm means he obviously fought someone he shouldn't have. I know I'm rambling but I thought he'd be more arrogant about Luffy but he respects his ballsyness so I gotta love Kid.
Ive heard this before, but to me it just looks like a crap rumor. They got Law
s 440,000,000 bounty wrong anyway.
http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog%3AZoro-san/Supernovas_bounties_after_time_skip
@Lazy:
I
ve heard this before, but to me it just looks like a crap rumor. They got Law
s 440,000,000 bounty wrong anyway.http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog%3AZoro-san/Supernovas_bounties_after_time_skip
I hope so, Drake having a higher bounty than Ace means he did SERIOUS shit. Which I'm sure would have been mentioned along with the Aokiji/Akainu fight and Blackbeard's rise to Yonkou. I really want to see the rest of the SH's bounties rise after the TS as they were though dead/disbanded but now that they are back I think everyone's bounty should double with Sanji's maybe a little more to jump Robin's bounty. And Chopper since Sentoumaru saw his true power going up to like 80,000 or higher.
@The:
Doflamingo sits back and watches everything, and practically everyone loves him. I guess he's just cooler than Kidd; more lovable and all that.
Not me, Chameleone's design is way cooler than Dofla. If I were to pick one with classy coat I'd go for Chameleone. Dofla's behind everything, alright, master manipulator, alright, directs some grand schemes, alright, put Mr.A in the role he'll be just as badass.
I just can't find anything interesting about Dofla, not his hair, not his coat, not his tongue, nothing.
Not me, Chameleone's design is way cooler than Dofla. If I were to pick one with classy coat I'd go for Chameleone. Dofla's behind everything, alright, master manipulator, alright, directs some grand schemes, alright, put Mr.A in the role he'll be just as badass.
I just can't find anything interesting about Dofla, not his hair, not his coat, not his tongue, nothing.
Judging if a character is interesting or not just by design is pretty shallow.
From what I gather, Chameleone is an incredibly boring character, excluding his Devil Fruit power and clothing. I'd take a character, with, a less flamboyant fashion sense, a…weird personality about them and pretty interesting (and mysterious) motives (Doflamingo) over someone very flamboyant with the personality and backstory of a rock (Chameleon); and I like Chameleone. Heck...it shows you which character Oda believes is more interesting, with Chameleon seemingly being isolated to an on-stage, non-canon, live action show--with, more than likely, no hope in ever showing up in the manga/anime itself.
I hope so, Drake having a higher bounty than Ace means he did SERIOUS shit. Which I'm sure would have been mentioned along with the Aokiji/Akainu fight and Blackbeard's rise to Yonkou. I really want to see the rest of the SH's bounties rise after the TS as they were though dead/disbanded but now that they are back I think everyone's bounty should double with Sanji's maybe a little more to jump Robin's bounty. And Chopper since Sentoumaru saw his true power going up to like 80,000 or higher.
Makes one wonder if there will still be a bounty threshold for worst-generation pirates … You know, to keep Luffy and Zoro in the group and exclude any other straw hat.
@The:
Judging if a character is interesting or not just by design is pretty shallow.
From what I gather, Chameleone is an incredibly boring character, excluding his Devil Fruit power and clothing. I'd take a character, with, a less flamboyant fashion sense, a…weird personality about them and pretty interesting (and mysterious) motives (Doflamingo) over someone very flamboyant with the personality and backstory of a rock (Chameleon); and I like Chameleone. Heck...it shows you which character Oda believes is more interesting, with Chameleon seemingly being isolated to an on-stage, non-canon, live action show--with, more than likely, no hope in ever showing up in the manga/anime itself.
Well, judging by design is one thing. That I admit I was biased 'cause I didn't like his.
But other than those manipulation behind the scene Dofla hasn't really done anything very impressive in my eyes, best I could think of was cutting Oars' leg and that was uh, okay, Mihawk sliced iceberg into half, Jozu lifted one, & some other crazy fruits, I just can't see anything impressive from him, aside from the obvious puppeteer theme that was going on for years.
I mean, let's put Gin into this puppeteer position he'd be just as popular given we have no indication that he even possesses a DF power, I feel Dofla's fruit is broken but he didn't used it efficiently, and the fact that he hasn't done anything impressive enough on panel make me less of a fan. You could count me biased cause I never really liked him thus the one-sided opinions.
Now back to the topic, I'm kinda interested with Bege's castle fruit and it's potential power, not sure if this has been discussed before, but since his body is made of castle and everything stores within his range of power shrink into tiny sizes, is normal gun fire/sword attacks shrink in size also when they go near his body? Also when the bullets goes in and hit him, do they hit walls instead of flesh?
Bege' fruit is very cool, I certainly hope he doesn't fail in NW yet so we can see more of him, there's slight changes from his appearance in Oda's SN post-timeskip poster so I wouldn't be surprised if Bege still hangs around somewhere in NW.
Makes one wonder if there will still be a bounty threshold for worst-generation pirates … You know, to keep Luffy and Zoro in the group and exclude any other straw hat.
I think that only makes sense. It is like comparing Zoro's bounty with Sanji's. Zoro had a reputation as pirate hunter prior to joining the crew, that's why he will always be ahead of Sanji in terms of bounty - despite them being relatively close in strength, if not equals.
And when the others surpass the 100 million belly (inevitable for Sanji, Robin and Franky) I doubt they will be declared as new supernovas.
I think that only makes sense. It is like comparing Zoro's bounty with Sanji's. Zoro had a reputation as pirate hunter prior to joining the crew, that's why he will always be ahead of Sanji in terms of bounty - despite them being relatively close in strength, if not equals.
And when the others surpass the 100 million belly (inevitable for Sanji, Robin and Franky) I doubt they will be declared as new supernovas.
Oh, of course not. I guess that's part of the idea of creating the "Worst Generation" term, as these pirates are no longer supernovae.
So sad for Sanji though, but I actually expect Nami to get his bounty boost in this arc due to, well, him being in her body.
Oh, of course not. I guess that's part of the idea of creating the "Worst Generation" term, as these pirates are no longer supernovae.
So sad for Sanji though, but I actually expect Nami to get his bounty boost in this arc due to, well, him being in her body.
I kind of expect that as well, though it may work out better for him that way in terms of how the Marines/World Government view him as a threat. Meaning they'll underestimate him when they encounter him next, and depending on the situation, if it's a major plot point (as in dealing with a yonkou, or directly involving the World Government/Marines) his bounty may sky rocket afterwards because of them (unintentionally) underestimating him..
@nodensuke:
I kind of expect that as well, though it may work out better for him that way in terms of how the Marines/World Government view him as a threat. Meaning they'll underestimate him when they encounter him next, and depending on the situation, if it's a major plot point (as in dealing with a yonkou, or directly involving the World Government/Marines) his bounty may sky rocket afterwards because of them (unintentionally) underestimating him..
The Sanji gag will never end. The lens-cap will be on, or they'll have the wrong guy, or something.
The Sanji gag will never end. The lens-cap will be on, or they'll have the wrong guy, or something.
His bounty will go up drastically eventually, that doesn't mean there won't be some other kind of gag to go along with it though..
Even with this arc, his picture could be taken with Nami still in his body looking very feminine and twirling the clima-tact..
! The birth of "Okama Sanji"
The Sanji gag will never end. The lens-cap will be on, or they'll have the wrong guy, or something.
I have the same feeling. I can even imagine a pic from his first encounter with the Okamas, you know which one I'm talking about…
The reactions at the Baratie would be priceless.
Oh, of course not. I guess that's part of the idea of creating the "Worst Generation" term, as these pirates are no longer supernovae.
So sad for Sanji though, but I actually expect Nami to get his bounty boost in this arc due to, well, him being in her body.
Is the Worst Generation the term for elite SuperNovas? I thought the Worst Generation is just those who caused the most trouble or noise after the War of the Best? As for new SuperNovas the SuperNovas were named because they were the most well known pirates in the first half. Caribou was over 200m but he's not a SuperNova. I think the SuperNovas are still referred to as such but I think Worst Generation i
Is the Worst Generation the term for elite SuperNovas? I thought the Worst Generation is just those who caused the most trouble or noise after the War of the Best? As for new SuperNovas the SuperNovas were named because they were the most well known pirates in the first half. Caribou was over 200m but he's not a SuperNova. I think the SuperNovas are still referred to as such but I think Worst Generation i
"All that gathered at the Sabaody Archipelago two years ago. The 11 rookies over 100 million, and Blackbeard on top of that…you're known in the world as 'The Worst Generation!'" -Brownbeard
Is the Worst Generation the term for elite SuperNovas? I thought the Worst Generation is just those who caused the most trouble or noise after the War of the Best? As for new SuperNovas the SuperNovas were named because they were the most well known pirates in the first half. Caribou was over 200m but he's not a SuperNova. I think the SuperNovas are still referred to as such but I think Worst Generation i
Caribou was a supernovae of his generation, there were fewer, but it was mentioned that in the Worst generation there was surprisingly a lot of them
Supernova isn't an in-universe term. It was the title of the chapter that introduced the 'Super Rookies,'* pirates who, on their first voyage, acquired bounties higher than 100 million before reaching the Red Line. Worst Generation is the closest the group has to a proper name now, but it also includes Blackbeard. One of the notable things about the Supernova, is that they all arrived on Saobody within about a week of one another, and all eleven were on the same island for the better part of a day.
There were a number of new Super Rookies when we revisited Saobody. Caribou, and Coribou were noted, but every indication is that the Worst Generation group were special in a way that Super Rookies weren't, and won't be again for some time.
One last thing: It's been stated that all the Supernova are in the New World, causing havoc, and that the new age of piracy will be determined by their actions. I'm of the opinion that none of them are toadying to a Yonkou. So please don't look down on one of them just because they haven't shown off yet, or they aren't an attractive teenager with striking fashion and a bad-boy attitude.**
*This MIGHT be in-universe term.
**I'm a Bege, Hawkins, Drake and Urouge fan.
Wait, so… The Straw Hats defeated two Shichibukai and destroyed Enies Lobby before getting to Sabaody.
How the hell did we not hear about the exploits of eight comparable crews? One of which was more wanted than Luffy's?
Wait, so… The Straw Hats defeated two Shichibukai and destroyed Enies Lobby before getting to Sabaody.
How the hell did we not hear about the exploits of eight comparable crews? One of which was more wanted than Luffy's?
Probably because they weren't planned to be introduced as Supernovae, Oda was going to have them appear in the New World after all..So having them all arrive on Sabaody at the same time, and the thing about them all taking different routes to get there simultaneously probably wasn't planned either.
It would have been pretty cool to have that happen though, the hype and anticipation of rival/rookie crews making their way through the Grand Line at the same time would have been awesome.
Wait, so… The Straw Hats defeated two Shichibukai and destroyed Enies Lobby before getting to Sabaody.
How the hell did we not hear about the exploits of eight comparable crews? One of which was more wanted than Luffy's?
Apparently Robin knew of some of them but she likes to keep stuff to herself. Because didn't she point out Law and Kid at the auction house? Or am I imagining things
Oda has planned to introduce the Supernovas into the new world.So this may mean that there are some "changes" during their introduction.He had probably to add lower bounties to their heads so they would be compareable to Luffy and Zoro.My guess is that a pirate of Luffy's generation would be introduced in "PH" or whatever island oda had planned at that time and my guess is that first Urouge or Bege would be introduced.
But , seeing that after introducing them earlier than planned he perfectly used one of the coolest supernovas "LAW" to make this first new world arc super hype.BUT of course there is the possibility that he just swap arcs , what do i mean here?I guess he wanted law to have a past with Doflamingo from the very start so a kind of this arc WOULD APPEAR anyway , but seeing how the popularity would rise he used this hand right away.
My point is , all the supernovas will be top tier in the new world and they will probably all make huge names for themselves.Since oda had them in mind from the very start as new world pirates.Which means thoose 2 years is actually the rise of their "earlier-than-planned introduced to new world captains".
Wait, so… The Straw Hats defeated two Shichibukai and destroyed Enies Lobby before getting to Sabaody.
How the hell did we not hear about the exploits of eight comparable crews? One of which was more wanted than Luffy's?
Luffy's crew were the only ones fighting governments and schibukais, I assume the other crews just got more notorious for defeating other strong crews along the way for the most part.
Obviously Kidd, law and drake probably have a backstory about their bounties.
Wait, so… The Straw Hats defeated two Shichibukai and destroyed Enies Lobby before getting to Sabaody.
How the hell did we not hear about the exploits of eight comparable crews? One of which was more wanted than Luffy's?
What I don't get is Luffy's low bounty, even before the time skip.
He destroyed Enies Lobby, one of the freaking three great branches of the government.
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One third of the government annihilated, just like that.
Kidd got his bounty for his cruelty and killing civilians, but it is shit compared to what Luffy did.
Well, we know that Kid's bounty is inflated because he would, "slaughter anyone who laughed at his dream."
If the other Supernova had stories comparable to Luffy's, then we also have to remember that a lot of what Luffy did was covered up by the WG. Smoker publicly got credit for taking down/exposing Crocodile's plan and Moria's defeat happened on his isolated island/ship, in the middle of a notoriously treacherous stretch of sea where there wasn't an entire WG country to witness it.
It's possible that the other Supernova DID accomplish some big things. Fighting famous Marines, sacking Marine bases, beating famous pirate groups. But:
A) Luffy is the focus of much of the story, and he doesn't read the papers.
B) The WG is more than happy to manipulate any story that might make them look bad.
Oh and… saying that Luffy destroyed a third of the WG is a bit overzealous. His crew (and three Galley La foremen, a giant frog, two giant sea beasts, and 100 or so Frank Family bounty hunters) rampaged through the island, beating up soldiers, spies, judges, jurymen and bailiffs until it was destroyed by the World Government.
Well, we know that Kid's bounty is inflated because he would, "slaughter anyone who laughed at his dream."
If the other Supernova had stories comparable to Luffy's, then we also have to remember that a lot of what Luffy did was covered up by the WG. Smoker publicly got credit for taking down/exposing Crocodile's plan and Moria's defeat happened on his isolated island/ship, in the middle of a notoriously treacherous stretch of sea where there wasn't an entire WG country to witness it.
It's possible that the other Supernova DID accomplish some big things. Fighting famous Marines, sacking Marine bases, beating famous pirate groups. But:
A) Luffy is the focus of much of the story, and he doesn't read the papers.
B) The WG is more than happy to manipulate any story that might make them look bad.Oh and… saying that Luffy destroyed a third of the WG is a bit overzealous. His crew (and three Galley La foremen, a giant frog, two giant sea beasts, and 100 or so Frank Family bounty hunters) rampaged through the island, beating up soldiers, spies, judges, jurymen and bailiffs until it was destroyed by the World Government.
All good points.
But only because the government covers all of these incidents doesn't mean they can't increase Luffy's bounty (because after all they do realize the threat). Thats why Luffy got the 100 million bounty after defeating Crocodile.
As for being overzealous regarding the worth of Enies Lobby…well partially. I think that the WG values Impel Down and Marine Ford higher than their "fake court", but it is still one of the foundations of the government. The Straw Hats and especially Luffy got the main credit, because Kuma perfectly knew about Lucci's defeat...
Luffy got the main credit, because Kuma perfectly knew about Lucci's defeat…
Are you mixing up thriller bark with ennies lobby?
What I don't get is Luffy's low bounty, even before the time skip.
He destroyed Enies Lobby, one of the freaking three great branches of the government.
One third of the government annihilated, just like that.
Kidd got his bounty for his cruelty and killing civilians, but it is shit compared to what Luffy did.
Luffy didn't destroy Enies Lobby by himself, though. It was mostly the Buster Call's doing.
He got a bounty increase for declaring war on the WG and defeating one of their top assassins.
Plus, we don't know how many civilians Kid killed. "Who" and "where" also might played a part.
Are you mixing up thriller bark with ennies lobby
Nope, just saying that the SH's got the main credit, not the Franky family or the Galley La company.
Luffy didn't destroy Enies Lobby by himself, though. It was mostly the Buster Call's doing.
He got a bounty increase for declaring war on the WG and defeating one of their top assassins.
But isn't that pretty much the same thing? Spandam said that accidently pressing the B-call button was actually not that bad, (means he would have pressed it anyway the moment the CP9 were defeated).
Plus, we don't know how many civilians Kid killed. "Who" and "where" also might played a part.
Very true, we don't know who and how many Kidd killed to get a higher bounty than Luffy, but since when does the goverment care about pirates killing civilians…
Now that I'm thinking about it, maybe that is also just made up by the government and Kidd defeated a real high ranking marine, like Beowulf89 mentioned.
True. In military terms, a king is also a civilian, in the sense that they are a non-combatant.
Oh thanks, I misunderstood Jabra, never mind.