Which is simply explained by the Color of Observation. Trying to analyze it any further than that would be trying to make sense of every ability in OP…..it's just a manga.
Im sorry this makes no sense.They are clearly as fast as Kizaru.Being able to predict movements doesnt mean they can move fast enough to counter those movements.See Marigold vs Gear 2 Luffy.
Rayleigh matched Kizarus speed equally.Fact.Same with Marco etc
Which is simply explained by the Color of Observation. Trying to analyze it any further than that would be trying to make sense of every ability in OP…..it's just a manga.
COO means nothing, Luffy showed us when he fought Sandersonia that COO is useless if your body can't keep up with the superior speed. They would still need to be capable of lightspeed movement. It's not something you can simply ignore. Either they can all move and attack at lightspeed or none of them(Kizaru included) can.
How do you ignore people again. I click on his profile name and i don't see the ignore option.
We don't know any of his crew can have more than one fruit. Maybe when we meet them they all have one fruit and blackbeard has 10.
Collecting devil fruits doesn't mean he is "sharing" them.
Like I already said, BB was hinted to have a duality. He can't have more than 2 fruits.
And Jinbe said that the crew are fruit-hunters now. Not just him.
Giving super-strong fruits to the members who didn't have a fruit yet actually makes more sense than any other possibility.
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COO means nothing, Luffy showed us when he fought Sandersonia that COO is useless if your body can't keep up with the superior speed. They would still need to be capable of lightspeed movement. It's not something you can simply ignore. Either they can all move and attack at lightspeed or none of them(Kizaru included) can.
Like I said, Kizaru said he's using speed of light himself, so your argument is invalid.
And, like I also already mentioned, it does not mean that ALL of his moves are done at the speed of light. Which is not the case. Which is how other fighters were able to interrupt him.
@Al!naJames:
Like I already said, BB was hinted to have a duality. He can't have more than 2 fruits.
And Jinbe said that the crew are fruit-hunters now. Not just him.
Giving super-strong fruits to the members who didn't have a fruit yet actually makes more sense than any other possibility.
he was "confirmed" have a duality?
Didn't know that.
I'm sure the rest of this crew "is" getting devil fruits for themselves. Just saying I doubt any of them can have more than 1 like Blackbeard, and ALSO Blackbeard could be getting more for himself. Or where is this "confirmed" that shows he can only have two?
How do you ignore people again. I click on his profile name and don't see the ignore option.
Looks like I struck a sensitive chord on somebody. Concession accepted.
I said HINTED, not confirmed.
Ace said that he lived "twice as much" and it was noted by Japanese speaking people that he was not talking about his age.
Marco said that everybody in Whitebeard pirates knew about "weirdness of his body" and that it was what allowed him to take in the second fruit, probably.
And obviously I don't think any other can have more than 1, especially not among the crew.
This thread is already going up in flames?Time to exit.
I agree with those doubting Aokiji will join the revolutionaries do you see this guy working under Dragon? An ally to them most probably.
Also lol at these reveals being done in chapter 650 Oda did you screw up (the first part of hehe) this arc's pace for this
Looks like I struck a sensitive chord on somebody. Concession accepted.
No, no chord struck, just don't want to deal with a stupid argument like this.
There is no winning on the interent
Shirahoshi is definitely going to have a significant part in this story now IMO. With the WG and the other Yonkois scrambling for more power to combat BB they will want their hands on Shirahoshi. I predict Caribou will run his mouth to someone and the secret will get out.
@Al!naJames:
Like I already said, BB was hinted to have a duality. He can't have more than 2 fruits.
And Jinbe said that the crew are fruit-hunters now. Not just him.
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Like I said, Kizaru said he's using speed of light himself, so your argument is invalid.
And, like I also already mentioned, it does not mean that ALL of his moves are done at the speed of light. Which is not the case. Which is how other fighters were able to interrupt him.
Why doesn't he simply kick all of his opponents at the speed of light and GG them then? A Haki infused kick coming in at 186,000 miles per second would take Whitebeards head off.
Blackbeard's taking DF explains how they'll be a challenge for the SH at the end of the series.
Wouldn't Blackbeard have been a tough opponent alone with the Guru Guru fruit and the Darkness logia that he has? I mean from this chapter it seems he gained the title Yonkou from those two abilities alone, unless I'm mistaken. I at least hope he can somehow give/transfer DF to his crew mates.
11 pages and nobody mentions Aokiji becoming a Revolutionary. Seems the obvious scenario.
I thought about it, but one thought came to mind. If he became Fleet Admiral, and he was confronted in some manner with Dragon, wouldn't he take action against him? He was a marine, and therefore he had to at some level believe in the organization that he was apart of. Why join the Revolutionaries, when he will most likely tarnish his honorable image across the OP world. Anyways, I always thought of Aokiji as a "lone-wolf" type character. Being as he would leave Headquarters whenever he felt like it. I find it more believable that Aokiji is alone somewhere, watching things from a distance, but not involving himself with any organization. I do believe he will come back near the end of the manga, where the WG will be in a state of chaos. Aokiji may come back to take the "throne" of Fleet Admiral, and will lead the marines after the restructuring of the WG.
Do hope those two spots were filled.
So do I. Being that Akainu leading the marines has made them in a general sense a bit more antagonistic, I can only assume that Oda would want to place in those missing seats with characters that promot Absolute Justice, as does Akainu. Like with Doberman, and Onigumo. I stated this in the spoiler thread. And hopefully, we'll see new characters fill in the roles of Vice Admiral. I'm also looking forward to, if and when Lucci comes back, if he hasn't already. My theory is that, since he was also a man that believes in Absolute Justice, he would feel comfortable coming back to the marines with a leader such as Akainu.
COO means nothing, Luffy showed us when he fought Sandersonia that COO is useless if your body can't keep up with the superior speed. They would still need to be capable of lightspeed movement. It's not something you can simply ignore. Either they can all move and attack at lightspeed or none of them(Kizaru included) can.
Luffy (and others with trained haki) can dodge bullets shoot right into their head from a few centimeters range. That isn't speed of light, but it's much more faster compared to what REAL people can do, don't you think? Being able to see through the speed of light isn't that far away, come on. It's a shounen manga.
When the two primary antagonists are mentioned,this is definetly an A++++ chapter!!!
COO means nothing, Luffy showed us when he fought Sandersonia that COO is useless if your body can't keep up with the superior speed. They would still need to be capable of lightspeed movement. It's not something you can simply ignore. Either they can all move and attack at lightspeed or none of them(Kizaru included) can.
I never said they weren't able to keep up with his speed ,but what I want you to do and the other smart ass who commented on my post is explain to me how Rayleigh and others who are top teir Fighters can keep up with someone who moves at the speed of light? Care to try explaining ? My whole point is that it's pointless ,since this is a freaking manga.
Rayleigh said before he taught Luffy that All of the Colors of Haki can be trained even further ,so who's to say that as you master The observation Haki beyond the norm, your speed doesn't increase as well?
Why doesn't he simply kick all of his opponents at the speed of light and GG them then? A Haki infused kick coming in at 186,000 miles per second would take Whitebeards head off.
Why couldn't Augur shoot Strawhats in Jaya, Magellan, Whitebeard (and everybody else) when he can see for miles and is called "supersonic"? Because it's a shonen. Give it up :P Logic doesn't work here.
@Al!naJames:
Luffy (and others with trained haki) can dodge bullets shoot right into their head from a few centimeters range. That isn't speed of light, but it's much more faster compared to what REAL people can do, don't you think? Being able to see through the speed of light isn't that far away, come on. It's a shounen manga.
Let's just agree to disagree then, Alina.
This was a good chapter. I wonder what this candy revelation foretells…
@Al!naJames:
Why couldn't Augur shoot Strawhats in Jaya, Magellan, Whitebeard (and everybody else) when he can see for miles and is called "supersonic"? Because it's a shonen. Give it up :P Logic doesn't work here.
Augur had no interest in shooting the Strawhats, dude was bird hunting. He didn shoot Magellan because he didn't have his scope to his eye and he didn't shoot Whitebeard right away because Blackbeard wanted to ki him. Those things are are explainable.
So Blackbeard is on a DF hunt. He probably would aim for the good fruits so my guess is that Aokiji would be a pretty nice target now that he isn't with the government and all.
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We don't know any of his crew can have more than one fruit. Maybe when we meet them they all have one fruit and blackbeard has 10.
Collecting devil fruits doesn't mean he is "sharing" them.
Yeah yeah I assumed he was the only one to actually be able to have more than one fruit, due to his "special condition" that Marco referred to during the war - pretty sure none of the others can. However I'd think he, too, can't have more than the two he has - but we'll see.
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@Miss:
So Blackbeard is on a DF hunt. He probably would aim for the good fruits so my guess is that Aokiji would be a pretty nice target now that he isn't with the government and all.
Doubt he gets his, but wouldn't be surprised if he got some of the supernova's.
I mean wouldn't say Capone's be handy. They could finally store away San Wolf.
Doubt he gets his, but wouldn't be surprised if he got some of the supernova's.
I mean wouldn't say Capone's be handy. They could finally store away San Wolf.
Storing San Juan would be hilarious… I hope it happens.
Why doesn't he simply kick all of his opponents at the speed of light and GG them then? A Haki infused kick coming in at 186,000 miles per second would take Whitebeards head off.
Dude just drop it! Other characters have kept up with his light speed movements, maybe they have light speed reflexes, is that what you want to hear?
This was a fantastic chapter!
One little thing I don't think anyone mentioned yet was Chopper recalling that it was the Black Beard pirates that ruined his village. I'm so glad Oda didn't forget about that(as if he really would), but now that he brings it up again I can't wait for his reasons for attacking Drum are fleshed out.
Everything just got kick started once again, the FI mega arc continues! With all the revelations it now seems to me that Jinbe's duty wont be settled until after the arc is completed. So many things to deal with on FI alone now, including Caribou and the 2 plot points he brings up as well as the Big Mam's reps.
Augur had no interest in shooting the Strawhats, dude was bird hunting. He didn shoot Magellan because he didn't have his scope to his eye and he didn't shoot Whitebeard right away because Blackbeard wanted to ki him. Those things are are explainable.
He had no interest in shooting Strawhats when they were chasing them down in Jaya to kill them and take the bounties? Oh really?
"He didn't have a scope to his eye" - what?..
And BB didn't really want to take on Newgate all by himself - they waited for him to be finished off by the Marines. He didn't attack him first, too.
Wonder where Franky and Brook were this chapter. I'm hoping Franky is with Den somehow.
I'm also glad we'll get to see a bit more of FI when searching for Caribou.
And ughghghghgh, Caribou's crew didn't die! That is almost Pell bad.
Before I turned the pages that reveals the winner of Akainu vs Aokiji, I was hoping that Jinbei would say, "Kizaru Kung-fu kick both of them and take the fleet-Admiral title for himself!" lol
Anyway, good chapter. Most of the revelations in this chapter were predictable, but was told in a nice way… Caribou seems to always manage to get away from being totally screwed... Hopefully, he won't continue to be an annoyance...
@Al!naJames:
He had no interest in shooting Strawhats when they were chasing them down in Jaya to kill them and take the bounties? Oh really?
"He didn't have a scope to his eye" - what?..
Blackbeard wanted to capture Luffy and Zoro.
And Augur was not using his gun when he confronted Magellan. I was talking about his gun scope, not his eye scope.
Dude just drop it! Other characters have kept up with his light speed movements, maybe they have light speed reflexes, is that what you want to hear?
This is absolutely absurd but I respect you for having the balls to actually say it unlike everyone else in this thread who's tried to debate me but conveniently ignore that point. Props to you friend.
Wonder where Franky and Brook were this chapter. I'm hoping Franky is with Den somehow.
I'm also glad we'll get to see a bit more of FI when searching for Caribou.
And ughghghghgh, Caribou's crew didn't die! That is almost Pell bad.
no it isn't considering they are fodder and they were joked about. Pell was a serious situation.
Before I turned the pages that reveals the winner of Akainu vs Aokiji, I was hoping that Jinbei would say, "Kizaru Kung-fu kick both of them and take the fleet-Admiral title for himself!" lol
Anyway, good chapter. Most of the revelations in this chapter were predictable, but was told in a nice way… Caribou seems to always manage to get away from being totally screwed... Hopefully, he won't continue to be an annoyance...
Yea hope he doesn't become "Team Rocket"
He is too creepy for that. Whenever I see him I think of some pervert creeper that is going to do something to gross me out. Just his face makes me cringe.
I would hate to see him capture a girl. Seeing him reminds me of the Sword of Truth book series. Man did that author have a fetish for torturing women. Like 90% of the book was about the girls being just molested horribly, and the main girl always inches away from being rapped until finally the final chapter she gets saved. Quite inferiating. Only reason you continue reading is to get those girls saved.
The marine's are really hurting right now… and with the loss of 3 of the biggest players both in strength and that would be potential quellers of Akainu's wrath, in spite of their losses, they also got much more scarier. The body lost some muscle mass, but the head atop the shoulders is much more vicious.
Blackbeard becoming a yonkou was like soooooo obvious. The fact that they're hunting down Devil Fruit users because they can steal their powers? So I wonder if their is still any truth to the "Blackbeard = 3 bodies" theory still? Can Blackbeard just hit Select and bring up his Devil Fruit select hotbar? Or is he gathering powers for each crew member? If that's the situation, they just got a lot more lethal.
And unprecedented power sounds like straight up martial law with a twist of we bringing the pain.
Oh, MR's translation says BB didn't use the Gura Gura fruit while conquering the seas, but MS's says that he is using it.
Which is correct?
Oh, MR's translation says BB didn't use the Gura Gura fruit while conquering the seas, but MS's says that he is using it.
Which is correct?
Who cares. If he did the so be it, he used whitebeard power to win whitebeards territory. If he didn't, then that means he was strong enough to win all that territory without even using whitebeards power.
Don't really care personally, in teh end he will be the strongest and it will be the most epic fight ever. Who cares how strong he was winning the Yonkou title.
Blackbeard wanted to capture Luffy and Zoro.
And Augur was not using his gun when he confronted Magellan. I was talking about his gun scope, not his eye scope.
He needed their bounties. It's dead or alive on the posters, remember? Why trouble capturing them when it's so much easier to kill?
What do you mean he wasn't using Senriku? He always carries it around, always. There wasn't a single panel of him in the manga not holding to the gun.
He shot the seagulls above Strawhat's ship from Jaya before Usopp could see the island in the binoculars. He saw Magellan coming from far away.
There's only one excuse to this and it's called "shounen adventure manga".
Okay I have a new theory.BB isnt just hunting powerful Dfs-He hunting Dfs that have the power to help him get to Raftel.Remember there seems to be some mysterious problem with getting there and Im sure BB is uing powerful Dfs to solve that Problem.I howver think the Strawhats will on the other hand get to Raftel using whatever method Roger did
Wait, people actually think Aokiji is now a Revolutionary? That sounds kinda unlikely. Why would somebody like Aokiji associate himself with the most wanted criminal group of the world? The Revolutionaries are all about causing havoc, something that doesn't fit Aokiji's character. It would be much more like him to not involve himself directly into the WG vs Revolutionaries conflict and watch everything from the sidelines.
Who cares. If he did the so be it, he used whitebeard power to win whitebeards territory. If he didn't, then that means he was strong enough to win all that territory without even using whitebeards power.
Everybody cares since it's one of the main points - if it was highlighted that he WASN'T using Gura-Gura there has to be a reason for that, nothing is ever mentioned "just because".
Predictable developments but nonetheless, developments that needed to be made official. Blackbeard becoming one of The Four Emperors was pretty much already confirmed once he obtained the Gura Gura No Mi's powers. I had hoped the ability to steal DF powers was going to be a one-off, but it's an easy tool to use when it comes time to buff up the BB pirates so that the SH's chances look as slim as possible, so it being announced that they're on an Ability-hunt is an interesting development. Will they go after Aokiji or one of the Admirals' abilities? How about Enel? Lot's of possibilities but it'll also be interesting to see if he goes for Logia/Paramecia/Zoan.
Aokiji and Akainu fighting over Fleet Admiral for 10 days was good news, I'm glad Sengoku requested Aokiji who has the more rational and balanced view of justice, while Akainu is an extremist. But what's going to be interesting is how the Marines have managed to become "an even more powerful army of 'Justice'". I'm assuming Pacifista's have been produced more and upgraded, they're certainly a lot stronger than the majority of the marine soldiers, consume less time and cost less lives. But I'm interested to see the changes.
I knew somebody had to learn of Shirahoshi, sooner rather than later, and I'm glad Oda wasted no time. If word does reach the Marines, I'd hate to see Shirahoshi become babysat. I'm going to made a wild prediction, that the Revolutionaries will take Shirahoshi in for protection and 'possession'.
Things are turning well so far, I hope they left back Fishman Island soon to never come back.
Glad Jinbei won't join also. The guy is not fit to the Strawhat crew (he can't cope with Luffy's idiocy)
@Al!naJames:
He needed their bounties. It's dead or alive on the posters, remember? Why trouble capturing them when it's so much easier to kill?
What do you mean he wasn't using Senriku? He always carries it around, always. There wasn't a single panel of him in the manga not holding to the gun.
He shot the seagulls above Strawhat's ship from Jaya before Usopp could see the island in the binoculars. He saw Magellan coming from far away.There's only one excuse to this and it's called "shounen adventure manga".
Alina, you lose 30% of the bounty money when you capture a bounty head dead. It's also more impressive to capture a criminal alive. Blackbeard may look stupid, but he isnt a fucktard. His goal was to impress the government to earn the Shochibukai post. Capturing Luffy, Zoro, and Robin alive is more impressive than capturin them dead.
And yes Augur always has Senriku, but he isn't always looking down it's scope prepared to blow someones face off.
The marine's are really hurting right now… and with the loss of 3 of the biggest players both in strength and that would be potential quellers of Akainu's wrath, in spite of their losses, they also got much more scarier. The body lost some muscle mass, but the head atop the shoulders is much more vicious.
Blackbeard becoming a yonkou was like soooooo obvious. The fact that they're hunting down Devil Fruit users because they can steal their powers? So I wonder if their is still any truth to the "Blackbeard = 3 bodies" theory still? Can Blackbeard just hit Select and bring up his Devil Fruit select hotbar? Or is he gathering powers for each crew member? If that's the situation, they just got a lot more lethal.
And unprecedented power sounds like straight up martial law with a twist of we bringing the pain.
Remember 2 years for Vegapunk is a fu***** upgrade for the marine. In 2 years he can create new PX…
@Al!naJames:
Even though I don't read it, it's always nice to see Toriko being a part of "the big 3" nowadays.
I think the same. Is nice that Toriko replaced Yu Yu Hakusho with swords from Jump's Monster Trio.
@louis-1988
isn't that 30%-thing a fact that only accured in the anime or is that canon-fact?
bounty posters are all the same "dead or alive".
To throw in arguments bout Zoro and Sanji have haki I can just bring this up:
back @ SA Zoro was able to differ a PX from the real Kuma by feeling his presence.
Another thing was when Zoro felt the soul of Mr.1's iron.
Both Sanji + Zoro have attacks that could be interpreted as haki: Zoro's "Asura" and Sanji's "Diable Jamble".
Main question bout that all is:
"When can "haki" be considered as haki?"
Truth is: we can never tell until a future opponent of Zoro/Sanji or Luffy himmself will state it as haki.
Until then its pure speculation if those two have haki.
Oh, MR's translation says BB didn't use the Gura Gura fruit while conquering the seas, but MS's says that he is using it.
Which is correct?
I'm guessing he used it. His whole plan of becoming a shichibukai revolved around getting the opportunity to steal WB's gura gura no mi power. So ofcourse he's using it! In the offchance that the other translation is correct and he's strangely NOT using it, then it must have a further reason. But I stick to him using it. Makes way more sense.
@Miss:
So Blackbeard is on a DF hunt. He probably would aim for the good fruits so my guess is that Aokiji would be a pretty nice target now that he isn't with the government and all.
After the "big battle" between the SHs and the marines at the end of OP when the true history is revealed, will leave the marines defeated. And most likely Aokiji will be put in charge of the remaining marine force then, making them more "good". Coby will be an admiral. So BB won't get Aokiji's power, and Aokiji won't become a revolutionary, or a strawhat or anything like that.
About lightspeed: The way I take it is like this, he can kick at the speed of light, sure, but his brain can't keep up with constant speed-of-light movements. Taken to extreme, he could have just zapped into the air and blown up all the WB and allies ships before they really knew what happened. But he can't do that because his brain doesn't work at the speed of light. So back to kicking at the speed of light. The only way to counter that is through haki. Predict the kick and have your counter ready before he starts his attack. Which is what we saw.
The fruit that Blackbeard would want the most would probably be Marco's fruit? It's the perfect complement to his existing fruits, it covers Yami-Yami no Mi's weakness and allows him to fly, which covers Gura-Gura no Mi's 'weakness'.
But he didn't chase it at the Battle of Marineford, so I'm not too sure. Maybe he wasn't ready to.
@Lazy:
The fruit that Blackbeard would want the most would probably be Marco's fruit? It's the perfect complement to his existing fruits, it covers Yami-Yami no Mi's weakness and allows him to fly, which covers Gura-Gura no Mi's 'weakness'.
But he didn't chase it at the Battle of Marineford, so I'm not too sure. Maybe he wasn't ready to.
Oh maybe he has his eye on another fruit a more poweful one….
And Augur was not using his gun when he confronted Magellan. I was talking about his gun scope, not his eye scope.
What good would have Augur done against Magellan?
It's not like his bullets would have harmed him.
@Lazy:
The fruit that Blackbeard would want the most would probably be Marco's fruit? It's the perfect complement to his existing fruits, it covers Yami-Yami no Mi's weakness and allows him to fly, which covers Gura-Gura no Mi's 'weakness'.
But he didn't chase it at the Battle of Marineford, so I'm not too sure. Maybe he wasn't ready to.
Well if you remember at the time, he wasn't even 100% sure it would work. Not to mention he was already injured from his fight with WB and then he had Garp and Sengoku trying to kill him. It was probably a bad time to try and take Marcos fruit(if he wants it)
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What good would have Augur done against Magellan?
It's not like his bullets would have harmed him.
I'm on your side concerning this, tell that to Alina, not me.
I'm guessing he used it. His whole plan of becoming a shichibukai revolved around getting the opportunity to steal WB's gura gura no mi power.
Actually whole plan of becoming a shichibukai revolved around going to Impel Down and recruiting crew members.
They wanted to pick any over-100 bounty to get noticed, including Luffy's, but it so happened that Ace got into their hands and triggered the war.
So much happnend in this chapter amazing hope they going to expend in the anime on the akainu vs aokiji fight,Funny Chopper,Badass Blackbeard and i wonder what Big Mom is going to do now and aokiji to ?
But the thing that kinda took me off was the fact that those pills where just now taking effect after all that time assuming Hody already used them far before the fight with luffy.
