Well if what was hinted at at the end of the fifth book is truth then she becomes really important.
Game of Thrones (tv show thread)
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Brace yourselves.
Season 3 is coming.
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Brace yourselves.
Season 3 is coming.
My favourite version of that phrase that I have seen so far is "Ros is coming".
Because you just know that she's gonna take it all.
@Wooden: Hm, what was that hint about Shireen again?
! Something about Greyscale? I remember that seeming like it might be important.
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I guess that it was:
! She becoming the queen after stanis's death
! But, 6th book first chapter published in Martin's webpage:
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About Two-Thirds of the way through A Storm of Swords.
! It is an absolute page-turner. I can see why most fans consider this the best book in the series. The Red Wedding was even more tragic than Ned's death. Catelyn made alot of stupid choices, but it's understandeble considering she was desperate to have her daughters back. And poor Arya, SO close yet so far. It looks like all the power in Westeros is now in the South with the Lannisters, Tyrells and Martells. And Dany is quite the mastermind.
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maxter was right about what I was thinking.
! Though, I'm pretty sure that some of the first chapters of book six happened chronologically before the end of book five….i think. Of course, I've grown quite used to Martin hinting at death only to find its not the case.
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Absolutely fantastic episode. I'm loving what they're doing with these characters.
Cheered a bit when they did the Brienne reveal: cheered a LOT when Tyrion got his time to shine. Actually, there were many little moments that stood out for me.
I even liked Theon a bit, shockingly.They're letting the actors do their thing this season and it works immensely in the show's favor.
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Loved the pacing in this episode. I know its hard to ignore Robb, the people at Dragonstone, and Dany but the story is so much better served concentrating on a few story lines each episode and not jamming too many people into one show, like last week. Margaery is by far the biggest detraction from the books as a character actually from the books has been so far, but I thought they did I good job in the direction they went. And Brienne is about as perfect a casting as you can have, their casting for this series has been almost uncannily flawless (except for Shae, but that probably has more to do with the writing then with her).
Also RIP Yoren, you went out like the badass you were.
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I don't like that Stannis has hair. I don't mind that Tywin has hair though. Tywin still cuts an intimidating figure even with hair in the show but i feel like Stannis could look a bit more menacing. Baldness could help.
All in all i good episode. I was a bit worried with last weeks ending how many liberties they were going to take for the sake of a cliffhanger ending but im glad to see Arya heading to Harrenhall so soon.
Would that they could do that with Daenerys…
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I have to vent a bit about some events in Storm of Swords part 2. (MAJOR SPOILERS BENEATH)
! I understand that tragedy can give birth to great dramatic consequences. Hell, I'm a big fan of tragedy in general. But right now I'm really, really pissed.
! I'm sure that this feeling will pass and as I read further I'll understand the reasons behind it, but for now I'm just asking myself: "Why was there a need to kill Catelyn, Robb AND Arya?" And to add to the cruelty Arya was so close to seeing her mother and brother again… I'm just having a hard time to deal with this for the time being. I even considered pausing the book for a while, but that turned out to be just an empty threat on my part. I was shocked when Bran and Rickon were supposedly dead, but I never really cared about either of them. Granted, Catelyn was starting to grate on my nerves, but I loved Arya and I really liked Robb. Now the only Starks left are Sansa, who has her moments but generally bores me, Jon, who is just okay... and Bran and Rickon. The shape-shifting thing is cool I guess, but that's the only thing I remotely like about Bran and Rickon is barely in the story.
! I'm sorry for sounding like a whiny little twit, I always handle the deaths of my favourite characters poorly! As I said I'll probably be able to get over it pretty soon and focus on the big picture. Oh Mr Martin, you really love torturing the heroes, don't you?Thank goodness season two of the show is very enjoyable at least, sans for the porn scenes which in my opinion add nothing to the story. (though the bit with Theon was actually in the book so that I can overlook)
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I have to vent a bit about some events in Storm of Swords part 2. (MAJOR SPOILERS BENEATH)
! I understand that tragedy can give birth to great dramatic consequences. Hell, I'm a big fan of tragedy in general. But right now I'm really, really pissed.
! I'm sure that this feeling will pass and as I read further I'll understand the reasons behind it, but for now I'm just asking myself: "Why was there a need to kill Catelyn, Robb AND Arya?" And to add to the cruelty Arya was so close to seeing her mother and brother again… I'm just having a hard time to deal with this for the time being. I even considered pausing the book for a while, but that turned out to be just an empty threat on my part. I was shocked when Bran and Rickon were supposedly dead, but I never really cared about either of them. Granted, Catelyn was starting to grate on my nerves, but I loved Arya and I really liked Robb. Now the only Starks left are Sansa, who has her moments but generally bores me, Jon, who is just okay... and Bran and Rickon. The shape-shifting thing is cool I guess, but that's the only thing I remotely like about Bran and Rickon is barely in the story.
! I'm sorry for sounding like a whiny little twit, I always handle the deaths of my favourite characters poorly! As I said I'll probably be able to get over it pretty soon and focus on the big picture. Oh Mr Martin, you really love torturing the heroes, don't you?Thank goodness season two of the show is very enjoyable at least, sans for the porn scenes which in my opinion add nothing to the story. (though the bit with Theon was actually in the book so that I can overlook)
! All I'm going to say is, continue reading. Everything is not as it may seem.
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! I miss Arya… ;-;
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Man oh man, the last scene. It's just as creepy as I imagined it was.
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For that one person who hadn't read the books and thought that Joffrey is a flawed human being, I hope you got your answer
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Well, a lot of it is Robert's fault.
Two terrible parents and a hell of a lot of entitlement result in one terrible child. His uncle killed the last king, his father lead the rebellion against him, and his family craps gold.
Add in the fact that his mother and father hated each other literally to death and you've got the perfect problem prince.That said, you know a character is unlikable when even the author's nickname for him, in interviews, is "the little shit."
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Well, a lot of it is Robert's fault.
Two terrible parents and a hell of a lot of entitlement result in one terrible child. His uncle killed the last king, his father lead the rebellion against him, and his family craps gold.
Add in the fact that his mother and father hated each other literally to death and you've got the perfect problem prince.That said, you know a character is unlikable when even the author's nickname for him, in interviews, is "the little shit."
I don't think Robert is to blame for any of that. Robert was neglectful but a lot of people grow up without parents or with bad parents and still don't end up having prostitutes beat each other to death for amusement. I mean he's got two siblings, one of whom is probably the nicest would-be-king in all the seven kingdoms. Joffrey is just a sociopathic monster and the blame for that rest mostly on him but if you're going to blame a parent i'd blame the one who was actively making him worse rather than the one who didn't do much of anything at all. Deadbeat parents don't matter much in the long run.
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I don't think Robert is to blame for any of that. Robert was neglectful but a lot of people grow up without parents or with bad parents and still don't end up having prostitutes beat each other to death for amusement. I mean he's got two siblings, one of whom is probably the nicest would-be-king in all the seven kingdoms. Joffrey is just a sociopathic monster and the blame for that rest mostly on him but if you're going to blame a parent i'd blame the one who was actively making him worse rather than the one who didn't do much of anything at all. Deadbeat parents don't matter much in the long run.
Cersei was terrible in large part because Robert was terrible.
! Cersei was willing to give Robert the old college try, but Robert's inability to get over Lyanna, flagrant cheating, drunken violent fits and other charming qualities quickly soured the relationship they had.
Robert spent most of his time whoring, hunting, and holding financially crippling tournaments and feasts while Jon Arryn and Stannis ran the kingdom. I'm not excusing Cersei's behavior with Joffrey, but the fact that Joffrey hired someone to kill Bran because of a completely offhanded remark by Robert goes to show you just how much he looked up to and sought his approval.
! Joffrey's behavior as a ruler ("The King can do whatever he likes!") has as much fault with Robert's poor example as it does with Cersei's painful incompetence.
Robert was clearly disappointed with Joffrey - but that exacerbated the matter. Joffrey surprised the Lannisters repeatedly with his true feelings about his 'father' (in insulting Tywin, in killing Eddard).
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Quite a disturbing episode. Even though I knew about the last scene from before (I have read the books) it was still equally disturbing.
I have to ask one thing though. The Volantene medic that Robb met, she wasn't in the book. Right? Can't seem to remember her.
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Remember Robb isn't a pov character, anything that happens to him isn't in the book directly, only as tales and 2nd hand accounts.
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Soooo, how does this explain how Tommen turned out so tame?
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Soooo, how does this explain how Tommen turned out so tame?
Tommen is really damn young. He's seven years old at the beginning of Game of Thrones, while Joffrey is twelve.
That's a pretty big difference in ages, and a kid's cognitive ability.It doesn't hurt that Tommen isn't the heir, and thus next in line for the Iron Throne.
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Tommen is really damn young. He's seven years old at the beginning of Game of Thrones, while Joffrey is twelve.
That's a pretty big difference in ages, and a kid's cognitive ability.It doesn't hurt that Tommen isn't the heir, and thus next in line for the Iron Throne.
! I think Tommen is so different because he's a completely different person. No one was expecting Robert to die for probably decades so there was never any real pressure on Joffrey about being king. Any pressure there was he put on himself "I'm going to be king!" "When I'm King!" "KING ME!" or it came from Cersei. Like you said earlier Robert didn't really interact with him and always considered him somewhat disappointing but Robert also felt that way about Renly and it didn't turn Renly into an enormous cunt. I know that Father/Son is different from OlderBrother/YoungerBrother but i'm sure Renly longed for Roberts approval as well.
! Wanting someone to approve of you is a common thing we can all relate to and it's who we are that determines how we will go about it and THAT defines us a lot more than the initial wanting will ever. There were plenty of things Joffrey could have taken away from his fathers comments about Bran. He could have sought out people to heal him, he could've befriended him to make his life easier, he could've simply acknowledged that it's good to have legs. Instead he sends a freaking assassin to kill the boy in his sleep. And you're blaming Robert for that? Maybe if i kill the boy with assassins that will make him love me?
! That part always bothered me in the book because it's such a ridiculous conclusion to take away from that kind of conversation that either
A. Martin was just trying to quickly wrap up an extremely important plot point that involved a lot of people but was kind of sidelined despite all of that.
B. Joffrey must be really fucked in the head.
! I think people forget that Joffrey is really young too. He's like 12 at the start which while older than 7 anyone who has a respectable number of years on them knows that they're both still mentally babies they both have A LOT of growing up to do and Joffrey is already cutting ppl's heads off. It's a 5 year difference but I imagine even if he was 7 he'd still have ordered off Ned's head and mounted it. The kid is bad, and even his bad parents aren't enough to explain how bad he is. I'm willing to blame both of them for doing a shitty job for different reasons but i don't think either one had more control over the way Joffrey turned out than the other. At the end of the day that's mostly on Joffrey, the choices he made, and the kind of King he wanted to be. -
! I think Tommen is so different because he's a completely different person. No one was expecting Robert to die for probably decades so there was never any real pressure on Joffrey about being king. Any pressure there was he put on himself "I'm going to be king!" "When I'm King!" "KING ME!" or it came from Cersei. Like you said earlier Robert didn't really interact with him and always considered him somewhat disappointing but Robert also felt that way about Renly and it didn't turn Renly into an enormous cunt. I know that Father/Son is different from OlderBrother/YoungerBrother but i'm sure Renly longed for Roberts approval as well.
! Wanting someone to approve of you is a common thing we can all relate to and it's who we are that determines how we will go about it and THAT defines us a lot more than the initial wanting will ever. There were plenty of things Joffrey could have taken away from his fathers comments about Bran. He could have sought out people to heal him, he could've befriended him to make his life easier, he could've simply acknowledged that it's good to have legs. Instead he sends a freaking assassin to kill the boy in his sleep. And you're blaming Robert for that? Maybe if i kill the boy with assassins that will make him love me?
! That part always bothered me in the book because it's such a ridiculous conclusion to take away from that kind of conversation that either
A. Martin was just trying to quickly wrap up an extremely important plot point that involved a lot of people but was kind of sidelined despite all of that.
B. Joffrey must be really fucked in the head.
! I think people forget that Joffrey is really young too. He's like 12 at the start which while older than 7 anyone who has a respectable number of years on them knows that they're both still mentally babies they both have A LOT of growing up to do and Joffrey is already cutting ppl's heads off. It's a 5 year difference but I imagine even if he was 7 he'd still have ordered off Ned's head and mounted it. The kid is bad, and even his bad parents aren't enough to explain how bad he is. I'm willing to blame both of them for doing a shitty job for different reasons but i don't think either one had more control over the way Joffrey turned out than the other. At the end of the day that's mostly on Joffrey, the choices he made, and the kind of King he wanted to be.! You know full well there's a huge difference between one grown ass man wanting to be acknowledged by another grown ass man, and a child by his father.
! As far as Renly goes, that analogy is preeeeeeetty weak. Especially since, in this particular case, Robert was a great guy until Lyanna died and he became a terrible king - making matters of Renly wanting to be acknowledged rather a moot point until very recently. Shit, Renly got the Stormlands, and considering what a point of contention that was I'd say he made out alright in Robert's eyes.
! A better comparison would be how Stannis sought Robert's approval but was dicked over by him at every turn – but even this serves to disprove your point about Robert's behavior not effecting people like it affected Joffrey. Stannis was awarded Dragonstone rather than the Stormlands, served without thanks on the Small Council, blamed for losing Daenerys and Viserys despite capturing Dragonstone, and awarded no accolades for holding the seige of Storm's End, Eddard getting the credit instead. Tell me that didn't make him ever more bitter, to the point that he was willing to kill even his own brother over a matter of principle and pride! They were constantly spitting in his face and look what it did to him.
! All I'm saying Robert's acknowledgement (or lack thereof) was a valuable thing to some people more than most. The way he treated Stannis, Cersei, and even Jaime made them hate the everloving shit out of him, despite them wanting his approval at first. Let's not pretend it didn't mean something to Joffrey as well.
! Look, Joffrey is clearly a sociopath and fucked in the head and there's absolutely no denying that. He had some growing up to do, to be sure. There's no discounting Joffrey's own choices in how he behaved, but there's also no evading that no one in his family was steering him in the right direction well enough to fix him. Not all children are going to turn out like Joffrey if unchecked, but when one does it's up to the adults to take corrective action. It's a bit silly to expect a 12 year old child ruler of a kingdom to be held fully accountable for his own actions. It's also silly to expect Joffrey to want to show mercy to the man who was allegedly responsible for killing his father. To him, cutting off Eddard's head was very justified: hell, it's even what Robert would've done! Consider his violent attitude toward the Targaryens!
! I'm not placing the burden of the blame on Cersei OR Robert, really, but both. I feel that Cersei's transgressions are fresher in mind, and she's stupid and thoroughly unlikeable, so people are willing to give Robert a pass. He was only around for one book and friends with Eddard after all. But he had an equal stake in the end result that is Joffrey. Both of them are to blame, it's a bit wrongheaded to say "Robert wasn't responsible for any of that," because it's simply not true.
! The lack of interaction you bring up only further strengthens my point. It's the lack of interaction that is part of the problem. He was fully aware that Cersei was poisoning Joffrey's thoughts, even said so to Ned, but barely did a thing to stop it. He had been planning to send Joffrey to the Aerie to be fostered by Jon Arryn and have his bad habits ironed out, but after Jon died those plans fell through, and he did… what?
! He was too busy being drunk and depressed to handle his responsibilities either as a king or as a father.
Joffrey stated on numerous occasions that he was trying to live up to his father's example so let's not excuse Robert from the fair part he played in the little shit's upbringing - or lack thereof. -
Quite a disturbing episode. Even though I knew about the last scene from before (I have read the books) it was still equally disturbing.
I have to ask one thing though. The Volantene medic that Robb met, she wasn't in the book. Right? Can't seem to remember her.
! I think she is playing the role of Jane Westerling and is either going under an assumed name (cause she's affiliated with the Lannisters) or they are just using a different name for the same role as Jane.
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I just finished the 4th episode just now and all I have to say WTF was that in the end? I suppose that thing will probably pose a problem in the future. I wonder when will they show more of those white walkers anyway.
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So how about we talk a little bit more about some other things, like, The Smoke Demon, how Arya shall fare, etc?
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! You know full well there's a huge difference between one grown ass man wanting to be acknowledged by another grown ass man, and a child by his father.
! As far as Renly goes, that analogy is preeeeeeetty weak. Especially since, in this particular case, Robert was a great guy until Lyanna died and he became a terrible king - making matters of Renly wanting to be acknowledged rather a moot point until very recently. Shit, Renly got the Stormlands, and considering what a point of contention that was I'd say he made out alright in Robert's eyes.
! A better comparison would be how Stannis sought Robert's approval but was dicked over by him at every turn – but even this serves to disprove your point about Robert's behavior not effecting people like it affected Joffrey. Stannis was awarded Dragonstone rather than the Stormlands, served without thanks on the Small Council, blamed for losing Daenerys and Viserys despite capturing Dragonstone, and awarded no accolades for holding the seige of Storm's End, Eddard getting the credit instead. Tell me that didn't make him ever more bitter, to the point that he was willing to kill even his own brother over a matter of principle and pride! They were constantly spitting in his face and look what it did to him.
! All I'm saying Robert's acknowledgement (or lack thereof) was a valuable thing to some people more than most. The way he treated Stannis, Cersei, and even Jaime made them hate the everloving shit out of him, despite them wanting his approval at first. Let's not pretend it didn't mean something to Joffrey as well.
! Look, Joffrey is clearly a sociopath and fucked in the head and there's absolutely no denying that. He had some growing up to do, to be sure. There's no discounting Joffrey's own choices in how he behaved, but there's also no evading that no one in his family was steering him in the right direction well enough to fix him. Not all children are going to turn out like Joffrey if unchecked, but when one does it's up to the adults to take corrective action. It's a bit silly to expect a 12 year old child ruler of a kingdom to be held fully accountable for his own actions. It's also silly to expect Joffrey to want to show mercy to the man who was allegedly responsible for killing his father. To him, cutting off Eddard's head was very justified: hell, it's even what Robert would've done! Consider his violent attitude toward the Targaryens!
! I'm not placing the burden of the blame on Cersei OR Robert, really, but both. I feel that Cersei's transgressions are fresher in mind, and she's stupid and thoroughly unlikeable, so people are willing to give Robert a pass. He was only around for one book and friends with Eddard after all. But he had an equal stake in the end result that is Joffrey. Both of them are to blame, it's a bit wrongheaded to say "Robert wasn't responsible for any of that," because it's simply not true.
! The lack of interaction you bring up only further strengthens my point. It's the lack of interaction that is part of the problem. He was fully aware that Cersei was poisoning Joffrey's thoughts, even said so to Ned, but barely did a thing to stop it. He had been planning to send Joffrey to the Aerie to be fostered by Jon Arryn and have his bad habits ironed out, but after Jon died those plans fell through, and he did… what?
! He was too busy being drunk and depressed to handle his responsibilities either as a king or as a father.
Joffrey stated on numerous occasions that he was trying to live up to his father's example so let's not excuse Robert from the fair part he played in the little shit's upbringing - or lack thereof.! There's not really a huge as difference especially in that case. The Baratheon brothers parents died when they were all very young so they only had each other. Obviously Robert didn't raise Stannis or Renly but they both very clearly wanted his respect and attention and I doubt that behavior started when they were all grown ass men in their 30's. It's clearly a dynamic that's been ongoing their entire lives. Robert the handsome strong firstborn, Stannis the dour but much more serious and capable second born forced to always be #2 no matter what, and Renly the baby loved by all but not tough enough to hang out with Robert and not serious enough to hang out with Stannis.
! Robert gave Stannis Dragonstone because it was the foothold of the Targaryen supporters. Also historically Dragonstone has always been held by the second in line to the throne and it's proximity to Kingslanding makes it a very strategic location. Obviously it's a very important place that needs and important person to be it's lord. Just because Stannis took it as a slight doesn't mean it was actually one or intended to be one. His council seat was actually important and very fitting for a man as capable as Stannis. I'm pretty sure his main gripe about it was the wealth so it's not even like Stannis felt he deserved Storm's End for some kind of noble reason. He just didn't like being poor and stuck on an island while Renly got to be rich and not stuck on an island. Renly got Storm's End by default and his seat on the council was a throwaway position. I think even if Robert had given Stannis everything he wanted if Renly raised his banners against him and declared for the throne he would've killed him anyway. This is the guy who cut off the Onion Knights hands on a matter of simple principle and that guy saved his fucking life AND is the only reason they were even able to hold Storm's End. Principle is what Stannis is all about and that's not Robert's fault and Robert's neglect or intervention wouldn't have changed or improved that because that is who Stannis is.
! To sumerise all of that. The anology isn't weak. With both parents dead the relationship between Robert and his younger sidelined brothers easily compares to his relationship with his son. Both of them sought approval and some kind of recognition from a man who supposed to be close to the them but for whatever reason often distant physically and mentally. They all looked up to Robert and wanted to be what they thought were the best parts of him.
! We're both agreeing that Joffrey's need for Robert's approval obviously existed but we seem to disagree on how much that impacted him. At it's core this is a nature versus nurture argument which is perfectly fine with me because the characters in ASOIAF are written as real people with a lot of depth to them and even the ones who are introduced briefly seem like real people who probably have stories and issues of their own that they're going through. We seem to agree that Joffrey is a sociopath which is good because he clearly is but taking that into account is it worse to ignore a sociopath or to encouraging sociopathic behavior. I think Robert did the former and Cersei did the latter and I think the latter is worse even if the former isn't good at all.
! Cersei and Robert basically taught Joffrey the same lesson but in different ways. While i don't think Robert was ever not a piece of shit at heart he certainly was a shitty example of a king for Joffrey. His motto was basically, the king does what he likes. I don't think he was trying to teach that lesson to Joffrey though but as often is the case children pick up on a lot of things their parent's don't intended or even want them to. His crime is one of neglect, immaturity and being too self absorbed to see the damage he was causing not just to his son but throughout the entire kingdom. Cersei wanted her son to be proud and bold but I don't think she realized what an awful person he was at his core. Everyone around her notes that Joffrey is the worst but Cersei can't think anything bad of him, especially after his death. Her crime is actively telling Joffrey that a king does what he wants. That a king commands. That a king is to be obeyed. And that one day he will be that king.
! I'm not letting Robert off the hook. I think he's always been a terrible person and if you read between the lines I think everyone just ignored all of his horrible features because on the outside he was so charming and strong and brave but underneath it all he was greedy, savage, envious, arrogant and reckless. And at the end of the day I don't blame that on anyone but Robert just like at the end of the day I don't blame any off Joffrey's actions on the bad parenting he recieved from both parents. I blame it on Joffrey. In that world a 12 year old is old enough to know right from wrong. A 16 year old is old enough to lead an army to war. A 9 year old is old enough to be the Leige Lord of a Great House and men 6x his age come and bend the knee to ask him for food and men and resources and it's in his power to give or deny them. 12 is plenty old enough to make the right choices and Joffrey choose to do horrible things because he's a horrible person and had he lived to be 50 he'd still be a horrible person. And that's no one fault but his. And maybe genetics. -
! I think she is playing the role of Jane Westerling and is either going under an assumed name (cause she's affiliated with the Lannisters) or they are just using a different name for the same role as Jane.
! That's what I assumed, but if that's so it's a very big change. Jeyne was actually from a minor house with some characters in it. This chick is from Volantis, so she probably doesn't have alot of relatives with her. I dunno, it just bothers me.
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A friend who hasn't read the books made a theory about… Melissandre's baby.
! He thinks that it will take Renly's form and replace him, wich is funny as both of those abilities are part of Melisandre's arsenal. But I think that up to this point she hasn't done a thing.
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Okay, I just finished A Storm of Swords and immediately began reading A Feast For Crows. SPOILERS BENEATH THE CUT!
! Sigh… now I look like a twit for going berserk a couple of pages ago conserning the Red Wedding! I guess this is what happens when you react too soon. But I still find it annoying how Martin first establishes the death of a character and then goes OH UH YUP THEY SURVIVED. Not that I have too much to complain, since Arya being alive made me really glad. And Catelyn at least didn't escape her ordeal without injury...
! Lysa is dead, yay. Littlefinger has the hots for Sansa, ew. Though he earns some points for pushing Lysa out the Moon Door. (please excuse me if that's not the right word, I translated it straight from Finnish)
! Actually the two developments I'm most excited about are Stannis arriving on The Wall and Joffrey's death. Ha! I'm really looking forward to seeing where Tyrion ends up. And Arya too, after there was finally a use for the coin Jaqen gave her. -
Well, that blows.
! The scene where Arya kills The Tickler is my single favorite scene from A Storm of Swords. =( Ugh, I generally have no issue with the liberties they take with the show but that scene was so the highlight of Arya's entire arc so far.
Excuse me while I mourn this tragic turn of events.
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You know (spoilers of 3th book)
! People give shit to Sansa for not managing to kill Joffrey when he was showing her Ned's head, even though she was stoped by a man almost double her height, a killing that at most would have acomplished the ascending of Tonmen to the throne and a more stable rulling during Tyrion's time as hand, while Arya gets 3 death note lines to kill the mass murdering mountain and the mastermind of the war and skips it to kill 2 characters that aren't even TV worthy.
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a minor detail bit it was the only thing i really disliked about this episode.
! Renly shouldn't have taken his armor off for that scene. The sword was supposed to pierce impossibly through his gorget. Now it looks like anyone with a sword coudl've done it.
! UGH i hate brienne already. She was one of my least favorite in the book and she's already off to her great start here. It's like watching a mobile Ned Stark and all his ridiculous codes of stupid -
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One puzzling elimination from the show is Riverrun and Catelyn's younger brother. He becomes important in the second half of ACOK (Book 2) and throughout ASOS (Book 3), and we haven't met him yet or seen Riverrun. I realize they had to cut somewhere, but I liked the character.
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@Elisabeth:
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gulpsYeah,I knew Arya was checkin that shit out!
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Stop bumping this thread unless the sixth book is coming.
My heart sinks everytime I check it and that's not the case. =(
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Stop bumping this thread unless the sixth book is coming.
My heart sinks everytime I check it and that's not the case. =(
Well, unlike say Berserk or HxH, where I might close a thread between giant breaks, this… sort of has an ongoing tv show running for at least three seasons.
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Besides, the 6th has been in writting for like 5 months, plus the transplanted chapters from the 5th, I doubt that he's over the 200th page.
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Besides, the 6th has been in writting for like 5 months, plus the transplanted chapters from the 5th, I doubt that he's over the 200th page.
He managed books 2 and 3 in just two years each. And he's past the giant not of Daeynary's plot that apparently gave him trouble for a decade. Plus the pressure of the tv show catching up… (tho I assume it'll just run three seasons since the end of the third book is a decent, if rather open, stopping point for most of the cast.)
We can hope he'll be faster with the next one.
But yeah, expecting news on it this soon... probably not.
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Didn't he recently say that he had written 200 out of a planned 1400 pages?
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"Martin believes the two last volumes of the series will be big books of 1500 manuscript pages each.[17] With 200 finished pages by March 2012,[18] Martin hopes to finish The Winds of Winter much faster than the fifth book.[19] He has previously got in trouble with fans for repeatedly estimating his publication dates too optimistically and thus refrains from making absolute estimates for book six.[1] A realistic estimation for finishing The Winds of Winter might be three years for him at a good pace,[20] but ultimately the book "will be done when it's done".[9] Martin does not intend to separate the characters geographically again but acknowledged that "Three years from [2011] when I'm sitting on 1,800 pages of manuscript with no end in sight, who the hell knows".[21]"
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Does he still write with MS DOS?
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split the thread into a book and a movie thread then lock the book one
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@RobbyBevard:
(tho I assume it'll just run three seasons since the end of the third book is a decent, if rather open, stopping point for most of the cast.)
They are splitting book 3 into 2 seasons. This means Martin has about 5 years to publish the 6th book. If he manages to write one book every 3 years than all will be fine. To buy him more time they could also split book 6 into 2(or more) seasons.
I don't think HBO will ever stop producing the show, at least not as long as they have a choice. It might be the most expensive show they produce with a budget of 8 million per episode but it is also the second most watched show on the channel. It sold more DVDs of the first season than any other of their shows previously and it is their biggest show in other countries. If the viewer numbers continue to rise or at least stay as high as they are now, HBO can't simple cancel the show or put it on hiatus. It they did, they would anger a LOT of their subscribers and HBO lives from its subscribers and wants them as happy as possible.
Putting in on hiatus is also no option because it will be impossible to reassemble that gigantic cast(not even talking about the children growing up completely)