Last Two Nakamates (vol. 5)
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I don't think you are helping with your arguments. It was predicted that fishman island was going to be destroyed by that fortune teller who is never wrong. Can you argue that? Why would Oda predict something then take it back?
That mermaid princess, she has a strong will and it is true that it hasn't been said whether she would try to achieve her mother's goal of uniting humans and fishman but I can bet that she will. So I will get back onto your quote in about 10 chapters… and we will see who is write.I wasn't refereing to what you said about FI because that's almot a given, I was talking about what you said about Shira.
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Mr. 2 Bonclay would be a great addition and Luffy would love to have him but he's locked up in Impel Down….. Mr. 3 is pretty much with Buggy now.
Except they already have Sanji and Bon Clay would be redundant. No two SHs have the exact same skills, so his chances of ever joining are less than zero. Just ask Magellan. :ninja:
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I can't wait to see where this thread goes when the new chapter comes out.
Edited, there.
Edit 2: Okay, so now we can talk about Hody's "tragic past". Who's up for the challenge?
I can't see it. a Killer becoming a SH is too much no matter what was his reasons.
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@Bad:
I can't see it. a Killer becoming a SH is too much no matter what was his reasons.
Because former bounty hunter Zoro has never killed people before…
Now, I'm not defending Hody, but this argument wasn't very well thought.
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Because former bounty hunter Zoro has never killed people before…
Now, I'm not defending Hody, but this argument wasn't very well thought.
Completelly diferent story, Zoro wasn't going around killing innocent people…
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Completelly diferent story, Zoro wasn't going around killing innocent people…
I can't see it. a Killer becoming a SH is too much no matter what was his reasons.
This is directed to Bad Dreamer, though.
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Because former bounty hunter Zoro has never killed people before…
Now, I'm not defending Hody, but this argument wasn't very well thought.
Beside the fact that we never saw Zoro killing ANYONE prior to his joining, you can't compare killing Otohime and sacrificing your Nakama to save yourself or launching a huge ass ship on your own island to killing some fodder pirates who we don't even know about. The only one that is Zoro was said to kill was a BW agent & he probably did it for self defense.
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@Bad:
Beside the fact that we never saw Zoro killing ANYONE prior to his joining, you can't compare killing Otohime and sacrificing your Nakama to save yourself or launching a huge ass ship on your own island to killing some fodder pirates who we don't even know about. The only one that is Zoro was said to kill was a BW agent & he probably did it for self defense.
Robin worked with Croc to destroy the whole Arabasta kingdom and she did nothing against the bomb… On top on that she is an assasin as well. Stated by herself.
Franky even beat the shit out of Usopp and Nami betrayed the crew at Baratie
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Hodi killed Queen Otohime….
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Robin worked with Croc to destroy the whole Arabasta kingdom and she did nothing against the bomb…
You're distorting facts to fit an argument. Robin was allied with Croc indeed, but she was undermining BW at the same time. She had no intention of revealing Pluto's location to Croc, she revealed his identity as Mr. 0 to Vivi and Igaram, she saved Luffy from certain death on the desert and ultimately she tried to kill Croc.
On top on that she is an assasin as well. Stated by herself.
But we never saw what kind of people she killed. She stated it, yes, but in no moment during her flashback we saw her acting as an assassin. It could just be an excuse so that the Strawhats (and Usopp in particular) would not get too close to her.
Franky even beat the shit out of Usopp
Because Usopp was a pirate, and Franky and his family just considered him a small thug that deserved a beating.
and Nami betrayed the crew at Baratie
She did it against her will and because she was afraid they would get too close to her as well. When she sailed off with the Going Merry, she was even crying and wishing they would forgive her someday.
None of the Strawhats were "evil" prior to them joining. And even if Hody is just misunderstood, he killed Otohime and is trying to commit genocide (against two races) right now.
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Yeah true that but she still DID NOTHING TO STOP THE BOMB, which was treating million of people
But who cares. He won't join cuz Jinbei will
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I think we should ignore Robin when it comes to crewmate theories. She's basically Oda's counter-example to whether there is just reason for someone joining the crew.
Obviously we can't completely ignore her, she proves that it's not impossible for any member to join, but it's better to look at the other characters when considering if [for example] Jinbe is joining the crew.
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Yeah true that but she still DID NOTHING TO STOP THE BOMB, which was treating million of people
But who cares. He won't join cuz Jinbei will
Will he? I still doubt it. The arc continues to advance, the story is getting more complicated, and the Princes and Hody, not Jinbe, are in the middle of it all. Jinbe's been pretty much kicked to a corner.
Well, there's plenty of action still to come and prove me wrong, but so far, I don't feel like Jinbe's going to join.
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Yeah Jinbei is out for one chapter and is kicked in a corner… Damn it Sanji and Co are as well. The princes won't for sure and not even speaking about Shirahoshi. It will be Jinbei or a big damn suprise ala Robin.
I stick to Jinbei to nearly 100 %
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Wow. This is reminding me so much of Tai Lung from Kung Fu Panda right now (though I'm sure there's a better example somewhere). No matter how sad Hody's revelation may turn out to be or how sympathetic it may make him, he's still dangerous, still hurting people and still needs to be smacked down.
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And he will^^
And at Deicide once again… Boa was a side character in ID, at the war and after that and you considered her as possibilty but now you say Jinbei is out in a corner cuz he is fighting WITH a SH side by side and was more in the flashbacks than all the 3 princes + Shirahoshi together?
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Yeah Jinbei is out for one chapter and is kicked in a corner…
C'mon, man. So far it's pretty clear that the others' fights are there just to show how they improved over the last two years. The thick of action in this arc is pretty much covered by Luffy and the Princes.
Jinbe's a Shichibukai and he's lowered to fight a (giant) dumbass mook of a secondary villain. Do you see that fight contributing to the themes of this arc? Jinbe should be out there in the ocean carrying Luffy on his back and being essential to the arc's resolution.
Like I said, there's a lot of action coming and things could change. But so far there's nothing pointing at that happening.
Oh, and I don't think any of the princes will join. It's just that they have been a lot more important to this arc than Jinbe has been. They're the ones at the center of the hurricane with Luffy right now, and the emotional impact of the flashback fell heavily upon them as well.
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If Jinbe fought Hody I would see that as more of sign that he is not joining than fighting someone lower. Still not convinced he will join, but if he were to join he wouldn't be fighting the main guys anyway (sort of like Brook didn't fight Moriah) and would be reduced to fighting someone like Wadatsumi.
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C'mon, man. So far it's pretty clear that the others' fights are there just to show how they improved over the last two years. The thick of action in this arc is pretty much covered by Luffy and the Princes.
Jinbe's a Shichibukai and he's lowered to fight a (giant) dumbass mook of a secondary villain. Do you see that fight contributing to the themes of this arc? Jinbe should be out there in the ocean carrying Luffy on his back and being essential to the arc's resolution.
Like I said, there's a lot of action coming and things could change. But so far there's nothing pointing at that happening.
Yeah, nothing at all. Except of course that big freakin' sign lumping him and Sanji as equally-billed fighters. I'm sorry, but there's not much precedent for your expectations. Brook had little to do with Moria's defeat. Franky was smacked down by Lucci, as was Robin by Crocodile. Chopper didn't fight Wapol. Sanji didn't fight Krieg. Nami didn't fight Arlong. And even though Jinbe isn't fighting Hody himself, he's still tied to Hody because of his inheriting Arlong's rage up to now and screwing up Otohime's dream when he ordered him not to. Face it, the newbie hardly ever gets the big fight, and this is realistically the only chance characters like Fukaboshi and Shirahoshi will get to shine before the crew moves on.
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And he will^^
And at Deicide once again… Boa was a side character in ID, at the war and after that and you considered her as possibilty but now you say Jinbei is out in a corner cuz he is fighting WITH a SH side by side and was more in the flashbacks than all the 3 princes + Shirahoshi together?
Yes, she was a side character in ID. But the core of many theories about her was that we would get an arc around her after the war (remember all the "Amazon Lily's going to be attacked" thing)?
When it didn't happen, I was the very first person to say she wasn't joining (first chapter after the flashback, as soon as spoilers came out).
@Lazy:
If Jinbe fought Hody I would see that as more of sign that he is not joining than fighting someone lower. Still not convinced he will join, but if he were to join he wouldn't be fighting the main guys anyway (sort of like Brook didn't fight Moriah) and would be reduced to fighting someone like Wadatsumi.
I'm not saying Jinbe should fight Hody. I'm saying he should have a role similar to the Princes'. He should be present, he should be there to find out Hody's true character.
Brook didn't fight Moriah, but he helped and was present. Franky didn't defeat Lucci, but he was essential to save Robin and got a lot of attention in both the Sea Train and Enies Lobby. Also, both of their professions were hinted as necessary or wanted before they joined. There are no sign like this for Jinbe yet, and we already got halfway through this arc.
Yeah, nothing at all. Except of course that big freakin' sign lumping him and Sanji as equally-billed fighters.
I'm waiting to see the fight before I consider Sanji and Jinbe equals. It depends on what role Jinbe will have on that fight.
Brook had little to do with Moria's defeat. Franky was smacked down by Lucci, as was Robin by Crocodile. Chopper didn't fight Wapol. Sanji didn't fight Krieg. Nami didn't fight Arlong.
I'm not saying Jinbe should defeat Hody. But so far in this arc nothing said he couldn't. If anything, Jinbe has been shown to be stronger than a giant with ES and better at Fishman Karate than Hody. He wouldn't be weakened underwater either. Indeed, I think he's just stepping aside and being humble so that Luffy saves the day and Fishman Island gets to worship a human as a hero.
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Your arguments area really weak… Serioulsy just because he isn't with Luffy fighting it makes him look weak? He is still part of the 10 pirates cleaining and saving the plaza. He is doing as much as the others has done ib the past arcs.
Sanji did fight Pearl and Gin not Krieg... and he hasn't helped Luffy in that fight
Nami did nothing to save Luffy and hasn't helped him in his fight against Arlongand so on with the others
Jinbei is helping as much as the others nakamas has done before they actually joined.
But whatever...
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Brook didn't fight Moriah, but he helped and was present. Franky didn't defeat Lucci, but he was essential to save Robin and got a lot of attention in both the Sea Train and Enies Lobby. Also, both of their professions were hinted as necessary or wanted before they joined. There are no sign like this for Jinbe yet, and we already got halfway through this arc.
Jinbe didn't fight Hody, but he helped and was present. Jinbe didn't defeat Magellan/Blackbeard/Akainu, but he was essential to save Ace/Luffy and got a lot of attention in both Impel Down and Marineford AND Amazon Lily AND Fishman Island. ;b
And I don't recall it being hinted the crew desperately needed a sharpshooter, artist OR liar before Usopp joined.
I'm waiting to see the fight before I consider Sanji and Jinbe equals. It depends on what role Jinbe will have on that fight.
And I trust their impending fire kick/water punch combo attack will be quite a sight to see.
I'm not saying Jinbe should defeat Hody. But so far in this arc nothing said he couldn't. If anything, Jinbe has been shown to be stronger than a giant with ES and better at Fishman Karate than Hody. He wouldn't be weakened underwater either. Indeed, I think he's just stepping aside and being humble so that Luffy saves the day and Fishman Island gets to worship a human as a hero.
And that's detrimental to his chances…because...?
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If anyone was to join from FI arc, my preference would be Hody. I'm not sure he will, but that would be cool.
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@Lazy:
If anyone was to join from FI arc, my preference would be Hody. I'm not sure he will, but that would be cool.
You sure know how to pick 'em.
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@Lazy:
If anyone was to join from FI arc, my preference would be Hody. I'm not sure he will, but that would be cool.
The diference between most of you guys and most of Jinbe supporters is, WE don't go by preference, we aren't saying he is joining because he has some nice boobs or looks cool, people actually give valid arguments, he might not join but he is the only one with plausible arguments as of this chapter.
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The diference between most of you guys and most of Jinbe supporters is, WE don't go by preference, we aren't saying he is joining because he has some nice boobs or looks cool, people actually give valid arguments, he might not join but he is the only one with plausible arguments as of this chapter.
I completely agree. I think I've stated that all the clues are pointing to JInbe joining, and Hody joining is only my preference.
I think I posted something quite similar to what I'm about to say now: my head says Jinbe's joining, but my heart isn't. There's more evidence pro-Jinbe but it's just my personal opinion, based on a couple of assumptions, that I believe Jinbe's not joining.
I also want to add when I first posted in this thread, I was more sure and more misinformed about Jinbe not joining. But I will always question the arguments for and against it.
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I see Sabo is the next nakama rumours are doing the rounds.
Eurgh.
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I see Sabo is the next nakama rumours are doing the rounds.
Eurgh.
I would really like it. He would write the story of the Strawhats. But as the things are now, it will not happen. Oda need to give us a lot of new information to make it plausible.
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I see Sabo is the next nakama rumours are doing the rounds.
Eurgh.
Suburban gossipery and rumorery are one of the most powerful and dangerous forces in the universe. They can turn dream into reality. Be afraid. :ninja:
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Face it, the newbie hardly ever gets the big fight.
Remind me, who gave the finishing move to Captain Morgan? :ninja:
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@cooldud_21:
Remind me, who gave the finishing move to Captain Morgan? :ninja:
Luffy's First Mate. But Remind me ,besides "The First" which crew member has fought & beaten the main antagonist in their respective arcs?
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…Well, I'm not sure if I should be content with expecting just where this thread has gone, or be disappointed with where this thread has gone as I'd expected.
We have no idea whether Hody is redeemable after all he's done? He's taken the path of the classic villain: by being a douche-y asshole. When has the major villain/antagonist of an arc ever joined? WHY would the major antagonist join after all the attempts from the crew + allies to stop said asshole-ish douche? Hody's true character may show something to sympathize (about time, Mr. Oda), or may reveal a hidden plot (just the right time, Mr. Oda!). Either way, it still wouldn't give Hody enough potential for nakamate status.
Hm, Jinbe still feels like an ally, not crewmate. He's been there in major parts of the battle, but like an ally, he's pushed off to the side of the main plot or he's teamed up with someone, as if he's not allowed to take on a challenge by himself. (Of course he can -- he's a freakin' Shychybukay -- but Sanji just had to butt in). I wonder what that means for Oda not to give Jinbe his own one-vs-one match? (In particular, why would Luffy call him a regular friend and not such a close one? This one's just speculation of the original Japanese text.) And he's not like some of the crewmates who joined later in their arcs after losing to the final boss. Jinbe has not lost a single battle yet.
Oh, I just realized. Everyone in the crew had lost a battle/skirmish at some point in the story, right?
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@cooldud_21:
Remind me, who gave the finishing move to Captain Morgan? :ninja:
Which is what "hardly" means, as in, not normally or often. :ninja::ninja:
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Hm, Jinbe still feels like an ally, not crewmate. He's been there in major parts of the battle, but like an ally, he's pushed off to the side of the main plot or he's teamed up with someone, as if he's not allowed to take on a challenge by himself. (Of course he can – he's a freakin' Shychybukay -- but Sanji just had to butt in). I wonder what that means for Oda not to give Jinbe his own one-vs-one match? (In particular, why would Luffy call him a regular friend and not such a close one? This one's just speculation of the original Japanese text.) And he's not like some of the crewmates who joined later in their arcs after losing to the final boss. Jinbe has not lost a single battle yet.
Oh, I just realized. Everyone in the crew had lost a battle/skirmish at some point in the story, right?
I can totally get that. After all, my girlfriend is all about me asking "What should we call the kids?" And my dad certainly gets a kick when I say "Lookin' good, grave-marker!"
…Sarcasm aside, they're not "nakama" yet. That bun needs a bit more time in the oven.
Now remind me, how victorious was Jinbe during the war again?
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Jinbe is not going to join.
Every Strawhat has a tragic past that ties in directly to their present dreams. Looking at this arc's flashback, Jinbe, was in no way the main catalyst or spotlight, and if anything it points instead to Shirahoshi joining. Shirahoshi's dream could be to explore the human world to better understand and foster unity between her people and humans. What could Jinbe possibly dream of doing at this point that he hasn't started thinking about in all his years as an independent pirate?
Sure, Oda can start contriving a purpose for Jinbe that develops out of this arc, but it would be too contrived to be worth it or in keeping with Oda's style. Again, for this sort of development to play out naturally, we should have seen seeds being planted in the flashback, but instead the flashback points at further potential development for Fukaboshi and Shirahoshi, not so much Jinbe.
Having Jinbe join would be like having Boa Hancock join, totally unnecessary.
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Having Usopp join would be like Gaimon joining, totally unecessary.
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@Preston:
Jinbe is not going to join.
Every Strawhat has a tragic past that ties in directly to their present dreams. Looking at this arc's flashback, Jinbe, was in no way the main catalyst or spotlight, and if anything it points instead to Shirahoshi joining. Shirahoshi's dream could be to explore the human world to better understand and foster unity between her people and humans. What could Jinbe possibly dream of doing at this point that he hasn't started thinking about in all his years as an independent pirate?
Sure, Oda can start contriving a purpose for Jinbe that develops out of this arc, but it would be too contrived to be worth it or in keeping with Oda's style. Again, for this sort of development to play out naturally, we should have seen seeds being planted in the flashback, but instead the flashback points at further potential development for Fukaboshi and Shirahoshi, not so much Jinbe.Having Jinbe join would be like having Boa Hancock join, totally unnecessary.
Yeah the princess of the kingdom which is slaved joning one of the most wanted pirate crew would probably bring peace in that way… Not even saying that she has no skills and she is too big assed for a joining
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Having Usopp join would be like Gaimon joining, totally unecessary.
For the record…Gaimon would've been a sweet addition.
And I think you're misunderstanding my point of Jinbe's joining, it's not about fulfilling a position like cook or doctor, it's about the chemistry and story potential that a new member would add.
Usopp is a sniper, a very battle specific role that no one else has taken up: his style is very unique onto the crew. His father Yasopp is a part of Shanks' crew, which also adds another dimension to his and Luffy's relationship. And his personality is starkly idiosyncratic, being the at times cowardly everyman that Oda relates to and is necessary as a counterpoint to some of the other crewmembers.
In comparison, Jinbe has the personality of a brick. Sure, he's coming more out of it and we're seeing more sides of him in this arc, but I don't believe that he will add enough to the dynamic of the crew to warrant joining. His potential as a fighter is pretty much already leveled off, and his power level is pretty high, which would make for dull fight positioning, and he would throw off the beloved dichotomy of the Monster Trio.
Yeah the princess of the kingdom which is slaved joning one of the most wanted pirate crew would probably bring peace in that way… Not even saying that she has no skills and she is too big assed for a joining
Sorry if it wasn't entirely clear, but I don't wholeheartedly believe Shirahoshi will join, but if someone WERE to join I think that Shirahoshi has the highest chance. The main detriment to her joining, I agree, is that it would be political suicide.
But power-level wise, I don't believe that's a problem. She can summon MOTHER LOVING SEA KINGS, if she were to develop this power even the slightest bit she would definitely be fine power wise. And let's look at Black Beard's crew, they're all pretty normal sized-OH HI SAN JUAN WOLF.
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@Preston:
For the record…Gaimon would've been a sweet addition.
And I think you're misunderstanding my point of Jinbe's joining, it's not about fulfilling a position like cook or doctor, it's about the chemistry and story potential that a new member would add.
Usopp is a sniper, a very battle specific role that no one else has taken up: his style is very unique onto the crew. His father Yasopp is a part of Shanks' crew, which also adds another dimension to his and Luffy's relationship. And his personality is starkly idiosyncratic, being the at times cowardly everyman that Oda relates to and is necessary as a counterpoint to some of the other crewmembers.
In comparison, Jinbe has the personality of a brick. Sure, he's coming more out of it and we're seeing more sides of him in this arc, but I don't believe that he will add enough to the dynamic of the crew to warrant joining. His potential as a fighter is pretty much already leveled off, and his power level is pretty high, which would make for dull fight positioning, and he would throw off the beloved dichotomy of the Monster Trio.
Sorry if it wasn't entirely clear, but I don't wholeheartedly believe Shirahoshi will join, but if someone WERE to join I think that Shirahoshi has the highest chance. The main detriment to her joining, I agree, is that it would be political suicide.
But power-level wise, I don't believe that's a problem. She can summon MOTHER LOVING SEA KINGS, if she were to develop this power even the slightest bit she would definitely be fine power wise. And let's look at Black Beard's crew, they're all pretty normal sized-OH HI SAN JUAN WOLF.
But BB isn't on panel all the time traevelling around cities or entering buildings
And by the way… Yeah this will be nice to see her fight... She will be Pokemaster summoning sea kings to let them fight... BTW how will she fight on land? Maybe Sanji will be summoned instead of the sea kings
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Yeah Robin really had a deep character till EL. She was even more boring.On top on that... Yeah Jinbei will throw off the mosnter trio dynamic... Are you sure he will? Maybe that's why he is cgiven a fight WITH Sanji to show something?
And people speculated about Franky being a monster too back when he fought with Luffy... You know what happened in EL
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But BB isn't on panel all the time traevelling around cities or entering buildings
And by the way… Yeah this will be nice to see her fight... She will be Pokemaster summoning sea kings to let them fight... BTW how will she fight on land? Maybe Sanji will be summoned instead of the sea kings
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Yeah Robin really had a deep character till EL. She was even more boring.On top on that... Yeah Jinbei will throw off the mosnter trio dynamic... Are you sure he will? Maybe that's why he is cgiven a fight WITH Sanji to show something?
And people speculated about Franky being a monster too back when he fought with Luffy... You know what happened in EL
Re Shirahoshi: Totally a valid point, I had just wanted to point out that it wouldn't be entirely unheard of to have such a large crewmember. Logistically, yes it wouldn't be completely ideal, but if Oda really wanted to he could make it work.
Re Robin: She just wasn't completely introduced and fleshed out (sexy) to us yet at that point, but there was still hints of a deeper past to her from her actions (saving Luffy, and lying to Crocodile). Her lack of her showing her true personality was in itself a point of intrigue because we knew there was more to it. With Jinbe, I feel like we've basically already been given the story of his life, and that Oda might be hard-pressed to pull something out of nowhere in terms of a new buildup for Jinbe, but I'm not saying it's impossible. Just that where it stands, it seems unlikely to me.
Re Jinebe's power level: I think this is less of an issue, and I'm all for not jumping to conclusions as your point about Franky is valid, but I think it's pretty clear how powerful Jinbe is. He's a former Shichibukai, he went toe-to-toe with other Shichibukai, Ace, and Luffy at the beginning of this arc. Maybe it actually is necessary and even the only course of action to have such an already powerful person join since they're heading into the New World, but I feel like Jinbe's power set would just make for a stagnating point of interest in the long run.
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@Preston:
Re Robin: She just wasn't completely introduced and fleshed out (sexy) to us yet at that point, but there was still deep hints of a deeper past to her from her actions (saving Luffy, and lying to Crocodile). Her lack of her showing her true personality was in itself a point of intrigue because we knew there was more to it. With Jinbe, I feel like we've basically already been given the story of his life, and that Oda might be hard-pressed to pull something out of nowhere in terms of a new buildup for Jinbe, but I'm not saying it's impossible. Just that where it stands, it seems unlikely to me.
Re Jinebe's power level: I think this is less of an issue, and I'm all for not jumping to conclusions as your point about Franky is valid, but I think it's pretty clear how powerful Jinbe is. He's a former Shichibukai, he went toes-to-toe with other Shichibukai, Ace, and Luffy at the beginning of this arc. Maybe it actually is necessary and even the only course of action to have such an already powerful person join since they're heading into the New World, but I feel like Jinbe's power set would just make for a stagnating point of interest in the long run.
No Robin was boring all the time… No matter what there was behind it and even know she is no party girl as well. Jinbei was already more funny and showed more "comedy" than Robin had till EL
Same for his power level. Yeah he is a former Shichibukai. So what? Luffy beat two of them PRE TS and the little skirmish between them showed nothin... Or do you reallyl say that one punch exchanging where Luffy showed nothing of his new skills shows something about his level compared to Jinbei? Same for Ace... he has fought a pre WB rookie Ace who hasn't even reached the NW... From than on Ace was owning crews in the NW on his own.
And to make it more clear... I don't think Jinbei will be downscaled as Franky compared to the monster trio but I think with his joining we will him as monster as well without breaking the old dynamics. On top on that the other 3 are much younger and has more room of improvement so in the future it would becocme even more clear, even if I think he put Jinbei in a fight with Sanji on purpose
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Shirahoshi has been nothing but target practice so far in this arc. Even assuming she learns to control sea kings, it'd be the most boring long term fighting skill ever. "Go sea king!" Factor in the fact that she's too big to call the ship a home, and that her becoming relevant would sort of spit in the face of two years of hard training for everyone else, and the idea of Shirahoshi joining seems like pure lunacy to me.
Fishman Karate is freaking cool, and there's only one person skilled enough with it at this point to be considered. I've never understood the "can't get stronger" argument for the life of me, either.
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No Robin was boring all the time… No matter what there was behind it and even know she is no party girl as well. Jinbei was already more funny and showed more "comedy" than Robin had till EL
Same for his power level. Yeah he is a former Shichibukai. So what? Luffy beat two of them PRE TS and the little skirmish between them showed nothin... Or do you reallyl say that one punch exchanging where Luffy showed nothing of his new skills shows something about his level compared to Jinbei? Same for Ace... he has fought a pre WB rookie Ace who hasn't even reached the NW... From than on Ace was owning crews in the NW on his own.
And to make it more clear... I don't think Jinbei will be downscaled as Franky compared to the monster trio but I think with his joining we will him as monster as well without breaking the old dynamics. On top on that the other 3 are much younger and has more room of improvement so in the future it would becocme even more clear, even if I think he put Jinbei in a fight with Sanji on purpose
What, now you're just being completely subjective about Robin. As one counterpoint, if you want to talk about comedy, Robin's full of her own brand: two examples that pop immediately to my mind is in Thriller Bark where she refused to dock up with Franky's Voltron because it would "make me a failure as a human being" and her recent comment about Noah dying the entire ocean red if it hits them.
And like I said, power level isn't really an issue to me story-wise so I don't like getting into these "Hulk vs Superman" discussions, but the point I was making was that it seems entirely possible that Luffy isn't that much stronger than Jinbe. Yes he defeated two shichibukai, but we don't know if we can say the same thing about Zoro and Sanji yet. I think your point would be valid as long as Jinbe hasn't been growing in strength, at least in relation to the others. But again, my original comment about the Monster Trio was supposed to be a bit tongue in cheek.
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@Preston:
What, now you're just being completely subjective about Robin. As one counterpoint, if you want to talk about comedy, Robin's full of her own brand: two examples that pop immediately to my mind is in Thriller Bark where she refused to dock up with Franky's Voltron because it would "make me a failure as a human being" and her recent comment about Noah dying the entire ocean red if it hits them.
And like I said, power level isn't really an issue to me story-wise so I don't like getting into these "Hulk vs Superman" discussions, but the point I was making was that it seems entirely possible that Luffy isn't that much stronger than Jinbe. Yes he defeated two shichibukai, but we don't know if we can say the same thing about Zoro and Sanji yet. I think your point would be valid as long as Jinbe hasn't been growing in strength, at least in relation to the others. But again, my original comment about the Monster Trio was supposed to be a bit tongue in cheek.
When Luffy released is CoC for the second time, Jinbe was sweating on how much Luffy had improved. That should be telling enough.
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@Preston:
What, now you're just being completely subjective about Robin. As one counterpoint, if you want to talk about comedy, Robin's full of her own brand: two examples that pop immediately to my mind is in Thriller Bark where she refused to dock up with Franky's Voltron because it would "make me a failure as a human being" and her recent comment about Noah dying the entire ocean red if it hits them.
And like I said, power level isn't really an issue to me story-wise so I don't like getting into these "Hulk vs Superman" discussions, but the point I was making was that it seems entirely possible that Luffy isn't that much stronger than Jinbe. Yes he defeated two shichibukai, but we don't know if we can say the same thing about Zoro and Sanji yet. I think your point would be valid as long as Jinbe hasn't been growing in strength, at least in relation to the others. But again, my original comment about the Monster Trio was supposed to be a bit tongue in cheek.
Yeah but all you pointed it out was AFTER Enies Lobbie and not before. She was bland, even mor than Jinbei is now. She never had face faults or has cried… She never did stupid stuff like serching for strategy names and so on
So who is subjective
To the strenght... Yeah Luffy beat 2... And you think Sanji and Zoro hasn't surpassed Luffy's pre TS level with ease... Doesn't destroying the PX hasn't showed it cleary? But whatever... Soon we will see
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Preston is a Town, you're wrong about the contrived thing…and the fact that Jimbei is any more of a background character this arc than Brook in Thriller Bark.
So what if Sanji and Jimbei team up to fight Wadatsumi? Brook didn't have a one on one fight in Thriller Bark. He LOST to Ryuuma, then Zoro stepped in and finished things. Luffy defeated Moria and Zoro defeated Ryuuma...Brook didn't fight either of the two antagonists. He simply teamed up with the SH's in fighting Oars same as Jimbei teaming up with the SH's to fight the NFP.
It's also a misconception that all the SH's get a one on one fight in the arc they join. Usopp, Nami, Robin, and Brook did not have one on one fights in the arcs in which they joined.
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When Luffy released is CoC for the second time, Jinbe was sweating on how much Luffy had improved. That should be telling enough.
This as well.. Zoro and Sanji weren't even amazed but has expected it… Jinbei was not even grouped with the other monsters
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This as well.. Zoro and Sanji weren't even amazed but has expected it… Jinbei was not even grouped with the other monsters
Agreed, Oda does these things because he thinks like arguing teenage manga fanatic. He knows what we think because he had these same discussions about Dragon Ball when he was in school.
Jinbe is not going to join.
Every Strawhat has a tragic past that ties in directly to their present dreams. Looking at this arc's flashback, Jinbe, was in no way the main catalyst or spotlight, and if anything it points instead to Shirahoshi joining. Shirahoshi's dream could be to explore the human world to better understand and foster unity between her people and humans. What could Jinbe possibly dream of doing at this point that he hasn't started thinking about in all his years as an independent pirate?
Sure, Oda can start contriving a purpose for Jinbe that develops out of this arc, but it would be too contrived to be worth it or in keeping with Oda's style. Again, for this sort of development to play out naturally, we should have seen seeds being planted in the flashback, but instead the flashback points at further potential development for Fukaboshi and Shirahoshi, not so much Jinbe.
Having Jinbe join would be like having Boa Hancock join, totally unnecessary.You are arguing a "what if" that has never ever been an issue to the story once. As long as Jinbe has been in Oda's thoughts, if he is to join the crew don't you think Oda has it all laid out by now? With Fishman Karate finally being revealed 10 or so years after it's introduction, Jinbe's personality and face faults gradually creeping in, along with his team up with Sanji there is major evidence to suggest Jinbe has a major role(crew mate) with the rest of the manga.