Chapter 620: "The Theme Park We Dreamed Of" Discussion
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Can we please drop this discussion about the termionology of the first half of the Grand Line?
sure. I only got back one response about the alabasta energy water having any form of resemblance to the energy pills. anyone else have a thought on that?
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Can we please drop this discussion about the termionology of the first half of the Grand Line?
Wait, come on, pleeeeease Nanlit! This bastard newbie Monkey King claimed that I hadn't read the old SBS! He's lying about content provided by Oda! I at least want the chance to say….
@Monkey:
Wow! The exact same common word! Unthinkable!
Oda often does these things on accident, read more SBS and you might know this 2006.
Readers write in and say "hey! this connection exists!" and Oda is shocked about it.That's a funny opinion from a non-Japanese speaker, that you seem to think the translation was so open ended that there is any significance in the word being "picked" from english.
Do you have even the slightest Japanese knowledge to be saying this 2006?
fucking link me to it. The reason you're still being called out is because you're too much of a fucking dumbass to try backing up your words with links like other people. And you can't, because that SBS never happened.
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Wait, come on, pleeeeease Nanlit! This bastard newbie Monkey King claimed that I hadn't read the old SBS! He's lying about content provided by Oda! I at least want the chance to say…
Shut up greenhorn.
fucking link me to it. The reason you're still being called out is because you're too much of a fucking dumbass to try backing up your words with links like other people. And you can't, because that SBS never happened.
Well first off this is funny that you're incredulous about the mere possibility that any little coincedence findable wouldn't be planned.
Of COURSE they all won't be planned. You should smack yourself outright for even thinking that this was unthinkable.Anyway.
D: Odacchi! I noticed an amazing thing!!! It is that if you show the Strawhat Devil Fruit users in numbers, it will be the numbers from 1~10!!
Luffy-Gomu Gomu (5.6.5.6.), Chopper-Hito Hito (1.10.1.10), Robin-Hana Hana (8.7.8.7.), Brook-Yomi Yomi (4.3.4.3.)
(1.3.4.5.6.7.8.10), but there is no 2 and 9, so is the one who ate the Nikyu Nikyu (2.9.2.9.) no Mi, Bartholomew Kuma, gonna be a Strawhat next? Please tell me!!! P.N. SHANKUS.LOVE
O: WHAAAAAT?! (shock) Gosh that surprised me! Why was I surprised?! NO COMMENTTTTTTT!!!!!!!! NEXT!!This only the most recent one I saw, of time's a reader brings up some coincedental thing and Oda just kind of reacts with "whaaa???". There's a line of this throughout SBS history.
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@Monkey:
Shut up greenhorn.
Well first off this is funny that you're incredulous about the mere possibility that any little coincedence findable wouldn't be planned.
Of COURSE they all won't be planned. You should smack yourself outright for even thinking that this was unthinkable.Anyway.
This only the most recent one I saw, of time's a reader brings up some coincedental thing and Oda just kind of reacts with "whaaa???". There's a line of this throughout SBS history.
There still is no such SBS as him indicating that paradise was a coincidence.
But regardless of that, if you're trying to tell me that your entire argument is on the basis that you can't detect Oda sarcasm, then I am declaring that you cannot possibly be that stupid, and therefore are a troll and should be banned.
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There still is no such SBS as him indicating that paradise was a coincidence.
ahahahha, I didn't say or even suggest anything of the sort. Way to read.
I said there have been lots of little coincidences that Oda didn't intend, so this behavior of expecting any little connection to be deliberate is unrealistic.
But regardless of that, if you're trying to tell me that your entire argument is on the basis that you can't detect Oda sarcasm,
Whoa, whoa, whoaaa, wait.
Are you implying…. Oda was being sarcastic in his answer and that he does in fact intend to make Bartholemew Kuma a Strawhat pirate due to some inane number pattern?
If so by all means bring your theory to the Next Nakamates thread! I'm sure it will receive positively rapturous reception!
then I am declaring that you cannot possibly be that stupid, and therefore are a troll and should be banned.
So you are literally saying I should be banned because I don't think Oda will make Kuma a Strawhat pirate because of a devil fruit number thingie, and because you can't read right.
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I'm pretty sure I started this "debate" and even I can see how retarded it's got. It turned from a conversation about terminology to a pissing contest.
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That's possible, but didn't Madam… (What was her name again?)... Well, something, predicted that Luffy would be the cause for FI destruction? I don't see the mer-people becoming his friends then... Unless he's not the direct cause, which we are still to see.
Anyway I don't see Luffy protecting FI, directly or indirectly. That is now Big Mom's territory. Comparing one to another, no one would care about Luffy's name next to Big Mom's. Correct me if I'm wrong in anything, please.
To Monkey King, where's your respect for a senior? It's true that it's not how long you've been on a forum that makes you better, but don't you think you're crossing the line?
Really after the war luffy has to be one of the most notorious pirates around. And what ever the prophecy holds it will only lead to more enemies latter on. Big mom won't sit by and watch some rookie ruin the island she has taken under her wing, it would be insulting to a younkous name.
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I just had a random thought.
Possibly Hodi will manage to endanger Luffy and take him down with him by making it seem like Luffy attacked Fishman Island.
And even though Luffy defeats him and ruins his plans, he'll now be a target for Big Mom and her pirate empire in the New World.
Not saying there's any indication of this, just a idea.
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The King & Princess would have to die or be deposed for that to happen though, since they already pretty much know the SH's are good guys. I don't really get a feel that oda's going to go that route with this arc.
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@Monkey:
I just had a random thought. Possibly Hodi will manage to endanger Luffy and take him down with him by making it seem like Luffy attacked Fishman Island. And even though Luffy defeats him and ruins his plans, he'll now be a target for Big Mom and her pirate empire in the New World. Not saying there's any indication of this, just a idea.
Huh… I thought you were being sarcastic at first. Anyway, that's an idea that has been bouncing around in my head since the start of the arc; mainly Luffy's actions here creating major problems with an Emperor, not so much it being the result of Hodi's sinister plans. With all the emphasis on Hodi's greatest strength being his supposed wit, it could work if Oda has no intention of redeeming his character. I'm still sort of holding out for that, personally, but I'm not very confident given his actions thus far. I mainly think the publicity Luffy gets from this will cause problems with Big Mom either way, by simple virtue of him stomping on her territory. Drake's comment from 595 comes to mind.
The King & Princess would have to die or be deposed for that to happen though, since they already pretty much know the SH's are good guys. I don't really get a feel that oda's going to go that route with this arc.
Not necessarily. I see it as another Alabasta; they won't really be able to defend Luffy's status much if they have any hope of maintaining good relations with the World Government. Plus, like I said above, would it really matter to a pirate who considers the island to be ultimately theirs? There's also the speculation about Big Mom being Lola's mom, so Oda could make another situation similar to Hancock's, where instead of them being on good terms because of Thriller Bark they are on bad terms for wrecking Fishman Island.
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I don't think Hodi will be redeemable because honestly I'm suspicious that he actually cares about his cause.
The brief moment where Oda shows him casually blocking an attack with one his henchmen strikes me as important.
Particularly because Oda showed Arlong being protective of his crewmates, and being very angry when Luffy blocked one his attacks with a similar move as what Hodi did.Complete bastard though he was, Arlong cared about his cause.
To have an ostensibly Pro-Fishmen cause and harm your brothers like that carelessly….. he's suspicious.
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Not necessarily. I see it as another Alabasta; they won't really be able to defend Luffy's status much if they have any hope of maintaining good relations with the World Government.
I thought about that, but I don't see why this would be an issue given that they've been under the protection of two of the world's most notorious pirates for yonks.
Plus, like I said above, would it really matter to a pirate who considers the island to be ultimately theirs?
I'd assume so, the pirate crew causing trouble would be the New Fishmen, not the Strawhats. But you have a point in that protecting the island might have the same effect - be an affront as it were, as if Big Mom couldn't protect it herself, depending on the type of person she is(I assume this is what you were alluding to with the turf comment?)
There's also the speculation about Big Mom being Lola's mom, so Oda could make another situation similar to Hancock's, where instead of them being on good terms because of Thriller Bark they are on bad terms for wrecking Fishman Island.
True. Personally I don't think FI will be wrecked, as I don't think the prophecy will be fulfilled(shonen destiny break etc). Should be an interesting character, Oda's been pretty sneaky with her so far, we see her daughter who is a nice person, and the assumption is the parent is as well(should this be the case) but then see a somewhat colder view of why she took on FI compared to Newgate.
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@Monkey:
I don't think Hodi will be redeemable because honestly I'm suspicious that he actually cares about his cause. [..] To have an ostensibly Pro-Fishmen cause and harm your brothers like that carelessly….. he's suspicious.
Like I said, I'm not confident in it happening. I suppose I'll retract my comment about me holding out for it, as I completely agree what you are saying about his actions as compared to Arlong. I'm mainly just thinking about Hodi's claim that "all will not be right on Fishman Island until all fishmen, merfolk included, are of one mind" or whatever, alongside the whole racism element and Tiger's blood issue (not a Sheen reference), might be leading to some sort of redemption scenario for the New Fishman Pirates. Maybe not complete redemption, or perhaps not all of them… I just figure Oda is going somewhere with the whole Otohime thread, and it wouldn't feel complete unless the opposition that stands in as a present day Fisher Tiger or Arlong has a change of heart and/or adopts that alternative frame of mind.
I thought about that, but I don't see why this would be an issue given that they've been under the protection of two of the world's most notorious pirates for yonks.
Really? I don't see how their situation can better itself if they take the stance of 'friends with outlaws'. Just doesn't seem like a wise move, again like Alabasta, if they are attempting to repair both nation and status in the world. I admit I really don't have much of an idea as to where Oda is heading with the arc as a whole.
I'd assume so, the pirate crew causing trouble would be the New Fishmen, not the Strawhats. But you have a point in that protecting the island might have the same effect - be an affront as it were, as if Big Mom couldn't protect it herself, depending on the type of person she is(I assume this is what you were alluding to with the turf comment?)
Not quite where I was going. Like I mentioned with the Drake comment to Monkey King, I think any parties "stirring up trouble" on the island would garner themselves some bad press with the big boss lady. A pirate wouldn't want to sully their name by allowing an opposing crew to do whatever they want as long as the people living your territory are cool with it, you know? A matter of pride.
True. Personally I don't think FI will be wrecked, as I don't think the prophecy will be fulfilled.
Hmm. I don't really have a definite stance on the prophecy, but I am definitely leaning towards Luffy being involved in some sort of large scale damage to the island, if not worse. Were it just a comment from Shirly, I'd probably agree, but Oda included a silhouette image of Luffy, which to me suggests 'out of context but true situation'. At the very least, I don't expect the prophecy to be a complete sham.
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I'm guessing Big Mom's deal won't involve protecting the island from internal disputes.
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Really? I don't see how their situation can better itself if they take the stance of 'friends with outlaws'. Just doesn't seem like a wise move, again like Alabasta, if they are attempting to repair both nation and status in the world. I admit I really don't have much of an idea as to where Oda is heading with the arc as a whole.
They're already a territory of the biggest outlaws around is what I'm saying. They couldn't really do any worse then that. I doubt they can try to repair things with the WG anymore, as I can't see Big Mom would take kindly to that.
Not quite where I was going. Like I mentioned with the Drake comment to Monkey King, I think any parties "stirring up trouble" on the island would garner themselves some bad press with the big boss lady. A pirate wouldn't want to sully their name by allowing an opposing crew to do whatever they want as long as the people living your territory are cool with it, you know? A matter of pride.
My point was if the rulers of the territory are saying that they basically saved the territory, the only thing she could take issue with is giving the impression that she isn't in control.
Hmm. I don't really have a definite stance on the prophecy, but I am definitely leaning towards Luffy being involved in some sort of large scale damage to the island, if not worse. Were it just a comment from Shirly, I'd probably agree, but Oda included a silhouette image of Luffy, which to me suggests 'out of context but true situation'. At the very least, I don't expect the prophecy to be a complete sham.
I fully expect we will come within an inch of the prophecy being fulfilled. I just have trouble believing that a shonen hero won't break a prophecy, and that oda won't leave the first post timeskip arc on a huge high, given he's coming off the more sad themes of marineford & the sabo flashback and that this is the first time we'll really see what the crew is capable of since the skip.
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My point was if the rulers of the territory are saying that they basically saved the territory, the only thing she could take issue with is giving the impression that she isn't in control.
Right, so we are basically saying the same thing. As for their position with the World Government, I don't know, looking at how well the New Fishman Pirates seem to be handling entrance in and out of Fishman Island, I think they could manage things on their own if they just were of one mind on how to go about it in a more peaceful but still firm manner. Rather, I think it is about time they break out of their protective shell. Not expecting it, per se, but I think it would be a better direction than still being under the protection of some group of pirates.
I fully expect we will come within an inch of the prophecy being fulfilled.
Right. I definitely expect the arc to end on a more positive note, like you said, given the downer themes of late.
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As for their position with the World Government, I don't know, looking at how well the New Fishman Pirates seem to be handling entrance in and out of Fishman Island, I think they could manage things on their own if they just were of one mind on how to go about it in a more peaceful but still firm manner.
Oh yeah, I agree here entirely. I really have no idea why at any time things on FI could happen under any terms but the natives. Hopefully Oda'll explain that with this flashback. If that comment about there being far stronger guys then hodi is accurate, it just makes it seem more and more that they really should be able to hold off the world if they wanted to.
I'm just going by the fact that so far, oda has totally ignored that point and made it seem as if foreign help or chaos is the only choice, and that since the foreign help is from pirates, annoying the WG is not an issue since they're already doing far more then that simply by being under the sphere of influence of an Emperor.
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Really after the war luffy has to be one of the most notorious pirates around. And what ever the prophecy holds it will only lead to more enemies latter on. Big mom won't sit by and watch some rookie ruin the island she has taken under her wing, it would be insulting to a younkous name.
Yes, I know he must be "one of the most notorious pirates around" but Luffy still can't reach half of Big Mom's fame, right?
And since we're getting into it, about Luffy destroying FI: do you really think he'll be the cause of it? It's possible that in a big fight he might destroy it unknowingly but I don't see such a thing happening. I think someone, or something, will cause the destruction and Luffy will either blame himself for it or be blamed by someone. -
If that comment about there being far stronger guys then hodi is accurate, it just makes it seem more and more that they really should be able to hold off the world if they wanted to.
I had thought that was claimed to be a mistranslation; have I missed some sort of announcement that have pulled back such claims? Or perhaps the translation is simply roaming across meadows of uncertainty, so to speak..?
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no,that was a mistranslation aohige already said this in chapter 618 discussion and cnet translated the part"Hacchan warned me about Hordy,he's really strong too,and his mind works in dangerous ways"->the same what Aohige said
i sugest you guys download the recent chapters from http://mangarule.altervista.org/blog/one-piece-ch/
they released the volume 60 and started volume 61 and use cnet translations -
Ha ha ha
mangastream : forever aspiring to reach the paragon of excrement
This is why I have to preface everything with "if… is accurate" these days.
The point still stands anyway, it's not as if the marines or bounty hunters would be able to use any devil fruit abilities, and once their bubbles popped they'd die from the pressure change.
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Dunno if this has been mentioned or not:
It appears Fishman Island has it's own version of Skypeia's Dials
http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/83002268/3
Bubbly coral? @ Skypeia it's Dials and @ Fishman Island it's corals? I wonder what other corals there are …
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I didn't really pay attention to the name of that because of all the bubble flutter suits we've seen since Caribou gave some to Luffy, Zoro, and Sanji. I just accepted it as another bubble related thing that they had. But you could be on to something.
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It only makes sense because the dials were originally sea creatures anyway being shellfish
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Translation of the chapter 620 of OP by Cnet:
http://mangahelpers.com/t/cnet128/releases/29450