Pluton, Poseidon, and Uranus

[Kakaliaha]

My first thought about these is that Oda decides not to to stick with Greek Mythology or Roman Mythology. Pluton which seems to be a direct referance to Pluto the god of the underworld in Roman Mythology and Poseidon who is the god of the sea in Greek Mythology. This seems to be a reference to how the Romans took on a lot of Greek ideas and changed their name, Hades being the Greek god of the underworld, so is that saying Pluton is a more updated version of the ancient weapon Hades?

I do think however that their names have some relevance to what functions they have. Pluton we know is ship, but I think that its reference to the Roman god of the Underworld gives a hint to what the ship is used for, Death. Poseiden I think is also a ship, actually a submarine, named after the Greek god of the sea I think it would be only fitting.

[Ubiq]

@Kakaliaha:

This seems to be a reference to how the Romans took on a lot of Greek ideas and changed their name, Hades being the Greek god of the underworld, so is that saying Pluton is a more updated version of the ancient weapon Hades?

Pluton is Greek; it means The Rich One. That's where the Romans picked up Pluto from. Pluton is what the Greeks called Hades to avoid actually naming the God of the Dead; sort of a Hellenistic You-Know-Who.

[Kakaliaha]

Interesting, I was thinking that it was a Roman referance because I read that Pluton wasn't actually a an ancient weapon, just a contempory version of one so naturally I thought, Romans are a more contemory version of Greeks. But thanks for the info

[joekido the Second]

Mybe would be intersting if Oda uses Egyptian or Etuscian or Cetic. Would be nice

[Kakaliaha]

There are so many cultures that have interesting mythological stories and characters, it would be nice for Oda to mix it up.

[SaiyaJedi]

@Kakaliaha:

There are so many cultures that have interesting mythological stories and characters, it would be nice for Oda to mix it up.

Well, Skypiea had a decidedly Buddhist bent to the bad guys, while the good guys were a mixture of zealots, well-meaning-but-powerless-folks, and oppressed natives (coughcoughAMERICAcough). Though to be fair, those aren't so much mythological, as grounded in the philosophies of specific cultures or world regions.

So… what would Oda use?

[Kiden4911]

i think its best to stick with the greek/roman gods. theres a set amount and theyre the most well known of any myths

[Ubiq]

@Kakaliaha:

Interesting, I was thinking that it was a Roman referance because I read that Pluton wasn't actually a an ancient weapon, just a contempory version of one so naturally I thought, Romans are a more contemory version of Greeks. But thanks for the info

Ah, you probably read my recent description of Pluton in the 391 thread as I used the word contemporary, but you had a slight misinterpretation of my meaning. Contemporary was used in the sense that Pluton existed during the same period as the Ancient Weapons rather than the alternate use of the word, which is a synonym for the word 'modern'.

[funkyfunkyusopp]

This is very interesting, I like.

I personally feel Skypiea was Aztec style and Arabasta has a really Egyptian feel to it.. I mean that cat sea monster being their sacred animal and all.

[Ivotas]

Well so far it appears that Oda is following the order of the solar system when he introduces the Ancient Weapons. He started with Pluton which would be the 9th planet of the solar system. Poseidon has been made to Neptun in the roman mythology…the 8th planet. The 7th would now be Uranus (german spelling).

I´m curious to see whether or not the third Ancient Weapon will in fact be named after it or not. Could be, could be not. Only Oda knows for sure!

BTW, an offtopic question. I´m actually quite good in mythology, but who the hell is the greek original for the roman Uranus? Don´t tell me it´s Uranos (german spelling) the husband of Gaya. I thought that only the gods´ (meaning Jupiter and his kind) names were used for the planets.

So is the Uranus based on Uranos or is it someone totally different? :molly:

[Indigo]

@joekido:

Mybe would be intersting if Oda uses Egyptian or Etuscian or Cetic. Would be nice

Well Alabasta was from the start picked from an egyptian book.
And Nefertari means beutiful in egyptian. As in Nefertari Vivi

[Nico Robin Fan]

@Ivotas:

So is the Uranus based on Uranos or is it someone totally different? :molly:

So far I know, there is only Uranos, son and husband of gea (gaya).
And it's not so 'wrong' for a planet, since gea is the earth in the mithology if I remeber correctly :ninja:

[Ivotas]

@Nico:

So far I know, there is only Uranos, son and husband of gea (gaya).
And it's not so 'wrong' for a planet, since gea is the earth in the mithology if I remeber correctly :ninja:

Well it appears you´re right. I´ve just searched the internet a bit and it appears that Uranus is truly based on Uranos. For anyone who´s interested here´s the complete greek names on the solar system:

Helios/Sun
Hermes/Mercury
Aphrodite/Venus
Gaea/Earth
Selene/Moon
Ares/Mars
Zeus/Jupiter
Kronos/Saturn
Uranos/Uranus
Poseidon/Neptune
Pluton/Pluto

Well there´s also some interesting tidbit on how the weekdays are based on planets and gods but that would be moving to far offtopic.

[Voodzik]

@Ivotas:

Well it appears you´re right. I´ve just searched the internet a bit and it appears that Uranus is truly based on Uranos. For anyone who´s interested here´s the complete greek names on the solar system:

Helios/Sun
Hermes/Mercury
Aphrodite/Venus
Gaea/Earth
Selene/Moon
Ares/Mars
Zeus/Jupiter
Kronos/Saturn
Uranos/Uranus
Poseidon/Neptune
Pluton/Pluto

Well there´s also some interesting tidbit on how the weekdays are based on planets and gods but that would be moving to far offtopic.

Wow this is awesome…..it's weird to hear people discussing this. I'm half greek and half italian, I gre UP reading these myths.....

Anyway, if there ARE ten ancient weapons he'd better get around to indroducing the rest of them already......

Oh and Ivoatas, thought you might like to know (WAY off topic here) they think they've found a tenth planet, they can't see it but the gravity stuff is right for their to be a planet out past pluto, thouhg of course it's not official until they get a picture. They've called it Xena.

[Ubiq]

@Ivotas:

Well it appears you´re right. I´ve just searched the internet a bit and it appears that Uranus is truly based on Uranos.

Ouranos is an alternate spelling of Uranos that seems to be slightly more common.

[Ivotas]

@Ubiq:

Ouranos is an alternate spelling of Uranos that seems to be slightly more common.

Oops sorry. I went with the german spelling of greek myth´s. Completely forgot about the more common english spelling.

[Rakuen]

@Voodzik:

Wow this is awesome…..it's weird to hear people discussing this. I'm half greek and half italian, I gre UP reading these myths.....

Anyway, if there ARE ten ancient weapons he'd better get around to indroducing the rest of them already......

Oh and Ivoatas, thought you might like to know (WAY off topic here) they think they've found a tenth planet, they can't see it but the gravity stuff is right for their to be a planet out past pluto, thouhg of course it's not official until they get a picture. They've called it Xena.

don't be stupid :rolleyes:
There are many TNO (trans neptunian objects), even Pluto is one..
they are no planets, they are just larger pieces of rock that is made in the kuiper belt… the most moons of neptune are just TNO's picked up by neptune.. ^^ ("Triton for example")..
There's already a link between them (Neptune+Pluto) Pluto's year is exactly longer than a year on neptune by 1/3 ^^ that's no coincidence .. Pluto's Aphel (closest point to sun) isn't as high as Neptune's (both are in 29-30 Astronomic Units) that means their ways aroung the sun cross… Yet, they can't crash because of their gravitational link xD

but I guess you're refering to either quaoar or sedna? there's no such "planet" "Xena"

uh, by the way
my english is REALLY bad today
sorry :wacko:

[Voodzik]

@Ubiq:

Ouranos is an alternate spelling of Uranos that seems to be slightly more common.

Well technically since Greek and Roman each had their own alphabets, ALL of this is an english spellling…

My mom's name is Orania btw, from Uranos. Just relishing my greekness!

[Voodzik]

@Rakuen:

don't be stupid :rolleyes:
There are many TNO (trans neptunian objects), even Pluto is one..
they are no planets, they are just larger pieces of rock that is made in the kuiper belt… the most moons of neptune are just TNO's picked up by neptune.. ^^ ("Triton for example")..
There's already a link between them (Neptune+Pluto) Pluto's year is exactly longer than a year on neptune by 1/3 ^^ that's no coincidence .. Pluto's Aphel (closest point to sun) isn't as high as Neptune's (both are in 29-30 Astronomic Units) that means their ways aroung the sun cross… Yet, they can't crash because of their gravitational link xD

but I guess you're refering to either quaoar or sedna? there's no such "planet" "Xena

uh, by the way
my english is REALLY bad today
sorry :wacko:

Your english isn't too bad…anxd I'm just passing on what I read In either Discover or Scientific American, can't remember which.

Other science facts you're unlikely to believe: Successful experiments in teleportation using individual light streems have been conducted in Australia, and an american university has completed a long-range laser weapon (stun only.)

[Majek]

@Ubiq:

Ouranos is an alternate spelling of Uranos that seems to be slightly more common.

Ouranos is more common? :huh: Where?

[Voodzik]

@Kakaliaha:

There are so many cultures that have interesting mythological stories and characters, it would be nice for Oda to mix it up.

You know culture and ethnicity in OP often interest me….think about it. Characters speak in English, French, Japanese, and more. Myths appear from EVERY culture (japanese oni to Klaubautterman, which I think are german, etc)

Hey hey hey.....we should send him something asking someone to have a jackelope zoan!

[Ivotas]

@Voodzik:

Characters speak in English, French, Japanese, and more.

Err, the characters speak only one language, japanese. True that in this language there´s plenty of words that come from other languages like english, german, french to name a view. But they speak in just language.

Many languages in the real world are based on latin words. Some are even almost the same as the latin original, but I would never say that I speak latin just because some latin words are elements of the german language.

[mazinkaiser]

Language gets mixed up a lot , we have chauffeur/driver which is French to be an English word and Cou'p de tat[not sure] ,there's lots more , come to think of it, there's always some new words each year added to the English Dictionaries.
Some Dictionaries have those sounds like "hmmmm" , "aaaaah" included
If u guys wanna hear a mixed up English, go to Singapore, many people there speak 'Singlish' [a mixed up combo of English,Chinese,Malay, Hokkien,Cantonese n may have many more]
What I always find amuzing about OP is the japanese puns Oda makes( SogeKing , Oimo etc.)
Btw ,if Oda's gonna make about 10 ancient weapons, I hope there's one that's an airplane, so far only Maxim was the only vehicle to fly

[Ivotas]

@mazinkaiser:

Language gets mixed up a lot , we have chauffeur/driver which is French to be an English word and Cou'p de tat[not sure] ,there's lots more , come to think of it, there's always some new words each year added to the English Dictionaries.

Thanks, I couldn´t think of any examples.

Btw ,if Oda's gonna make about 10 ancient weapons, I hope there's one that's an airplane, so far only Maxim was the only vehicle to fly

Even bigger thanks for getting us back to the Ancient Weapons. I´m hoping too that one of them will be a flying vehicle. But please no spaceships! XD

[Ubiq]

@Rakuen:

don't be stupid :rolleyes:

Try to avoid using the word "stupid", especially when you are completely and totally wrong.

There is indeed a trans-Neptunian object, confirmed to be larger than Pluto, that has been nicknamed Xena. It even has a moon dubbed Gabrielle. By any convention that makes Pluto a planet (which is admittedly under debate by scientists, though not by the average layman), 2003 UB 313 is also a planet.

@Majek:

Ouranos is more common? :huh: Where?

Google sez:

Ouranos, 715,000 results.
Uranos, 123,000 results.

Next question.

[uhuyyy]

well strawhats still have many countrys to visit right? maybe next arc they'll visit indonesia like island, to see candy borobudur

[Rakuen]

@Ubiq:

Try to avoid using the word "stupid", especially when you are completely and totally wrong.

There is indeed a trans-Neptunian object, confirmed to be larger than Pluto, that has been nicknamed Xena. It even has a moon dubbed Gabrielle. By any convention that makes Pluto a planet (which is admittedly under debate by scientists, though not by the average layman), 2003 UB 313 is also a planet.

okay, I was wrong about Xena
but it doesn't change the fact it's a TNO, not a planet, does it?
Pluto is a planet because it'd be weird to change it back to 8 planets now xD
Just like chaning it ot 10 planets.. ^^"

edit
I still think it's the "Pluto-Charon system", not "Pluto" xD guh, however… I'm quiet >__<

[Ivotas]

@Rakuen:

Pluto is a planet because it'd be weird to change it back to 8 planets now xD
Just like chaning it ot 10 planets.. ^^"

Not any weirder then changing your view from the world is flat as a plate to the world is round like a ball.

I´m not trying to comment on the "tenth planet" because I know absolutely nothing about it. Just wanted show that scientific progress sometimes brings weird changes with it. But that doesn´t mean that changes shouldn´t be made just because they appear weird.

Edit: Oh yeah, on my desperate attempt to get the discussion back around the Ancient Weapons, how about one of them being a submarine?

[Majek]

@Ubiq:

Google sez:
Ouranos, 715,000 results.
Uranos, 123,000 results.
Next question.

Tihs only means on internet not everywhere or does google say tha tisn't right either:rolleyes: not to mention that it's not always about the planet. so these numbers don't mean much.

[Rakuen]

@Ivotas:

Not any weirder then changing your view from the world is flat as a plate to the world is round like a ball.

I´m not trying to comment on the "tenth planet" because I know absolutely nothing about it. Just wanted show that scientific progress sometimes brings weird changes with it. But that doesn´t mean that changes shouldn´t be made just because they appear weird.

Edit: Oh yeah, on my desperate attempt to get the discussion back around the Ancient Weapons, how about one of them being a submarine?

well, nope
the world is a ball=fact
ten planets=depends on your opinion ^^

and

As much as I'd love to see an atlantis-like/underwater island.. I can actually see that happening :D

[Ubiq]

@Rakuen:

okay, I was wrong about Xena
but it doesn't change the fact it's a TNO, not a planet, does it?

But again, the existence of a TNO that is larger than Pluto calls the entire definition of what a planet is into question.

If Pluto is a planet, then there's no real scientific reason that Xena is not one as well.

@Majek:

Tihs only means on internet not everywhere or does google say tha tisn't right either:rolleyes:

Oh, come on. The most common spelling on the internet doesn't reflect the more common usage? It's not some subculture like l33t speak that was created solely by internet users.

Tell you what, let's restrict it to simply Google Book Search, which only yield results that have been vetted by professional editors and are far more likely to be written by scholars. There, it's 3170 to 1120 Ouranos versus Uranos, which is still a 65-35 split in favor of Ouranos.

not to mention that it's not always about the planet. so these numbers don't mean much.

Nonsense, whether it's the god (not the planet as Uranus is clearly the preferred spelling) or something else, it's still the exact same word.

Ouranos is used more often than Uranos.

[Majek]

@Ubiq:

Oh, come on. The most common spelling on the internet doesn't reflect the more common usage? It's not some subculture like l33t speak that was created solely by internet users.

no it doesn't. not yet. maybe in 10-20 years.

[Ubiq]

@Majek:

no it doesn't. not yet. maybe in 10-20 years.

Then how do you explain Google Book Search also spitting out the same results?

[Majek]

wait. my bad. forget it. i thought about UranUs all this time. man i really should pay more attention when reading

great this has to be the most pointless arguing i've had in a while.:banghead: :banghead: good thing i noticed this so soon.:rolleyes:

[Ivotas]

@Rakuen:

well, nope
the world is a ball=fact
ten planets=depends on your opinion ^^

You didn´t understand a bit about that analogy correct?

I´m saying that facts change with the additional knowledge mankind is gaining. People took the world for being flat because they never knew otherwise until it definitely got proven wrong.

And same would count for the thing if at some point it should really be proven that there are ten planets in this solar system. If it get´s proven then it is a fact, no matter if it will go against everything we knew until then. It really is the same thing as with the flat/round earth.

Fact´s get often changed in modern science. Saying that a change shouldn´t be made because it might appear weird is silly and contraproductive.

And to go back on topic again. I´m not saying that they will use a Ancient Weapon submarine, I just thought that if there´s really something like ten of them then it would be nice if not all of them are ships and therefore I was thinking about other vehicles like tanks, planes and submarines…BUT PLEASE NO SPACESHIPS!!! XD

[Greg]

Ehehehe! "uranus"! Ehehehehe!

[KatanaJon1.1]

Uranus is a weapon of catastrophic power.

(This is really immature, but too funny to NOT milk it for what it's worth!)

[Nico Robin Fan]

Btw, one of the 'planet n° 10' (I've heard the news 3 time… every time for a different 'planet') is called Nibiru (it's a god name, but I don't remeber from which religion). Another is called Sedna.

ps
I'm Italian and we say Urano :laugh:

[Strange_One]

That many weapons may be just a bit much. Wouldn't some of the blueprints or the weapons themselves have been destroyed? It might be interesting if each of the "three powers" got their own weapon.

[Kakaliaha]

I actually have a theory that there will be only 4 ancient weapons at most, based on the three gods that ruled, and their father, which would be the two mentioned, Hades (Pluton), and Posiden, which are god of the Underworld and god of the Sea. I think the next one to be introduced will be Zeus, who is god of the air. The final one would be the baby eater Cronus although he is technically not a god but a titan, so I would say either 3 or 4 would be my guess. btw Cronus is the son of the titan Uranus, who was castrated by Cronus then took over the ruling position of the titans.

[*Meh*]

Well, I'd be willing to bet that other than Robin, no one living in the OP world even knows of Poseidon's existance. Then again, it would be funny if Tom had the prints for that one too:

Tom: Hrm, Pluton is in good hands, so I'll just destroy these blue prints for PoseiDON!

[Mumbo]

The ancient weapon has been completed! We will be riding Uranus into battle! (yes I'm immature)

ANYway, I'm guessing there's three weapons, the third one being Zeus. Zeus was king of the gods (we've got to have that) and could be the sort of ultimate of the ancient weapons. Poseidon and Hades/Pluton were the two next most senior of the Greek gods (according to Wikipedia), which makes Zeus - Pluton - Poseidon seem like a perfect trio as the three ancient weapons.

Which brings me to another theory. It would be great if Poseidon was a sort of submarine, to travel beneath the water, Pluton was a ship, to travel on the water, and Zeus was a sort of airplane or something that flew, to travel above the water.

[Polygon]

@Kakaliaha:

I actually have a theory that there will be only 4 ancient weapons at most, based on the three gods that ruled, and their father, which would be the two mentioned, Hades (Pluton), and Posiden, which are god of the Underworld and god of the Sea. I think the next one to be introduced will be Zeus, who is god of the air. The final one would be the baby eater Cronus although he is technically not a god but a titan, so I would say either 3 or 4 would be my guess. btw Cronus is the son of the titan Uranus, who was castrated by Cronus then took over the ruling position of the titans.

Yeah, I always thought that there would be three. Zeus, hades and poseden. I think Oda might be switcing the powers of each god around. So that pluton is a ship while say posieden is in the sky.

[*Meh*]

I'm a bit rusty on the Skypiea Arc. Was the Ponyglyph in Skypiea proper, or in Shandora? After all, the ponyglyph for Pluton was in a tomb. If Shandora had the ponyglyph, it would make a little more sense than it having been in Skypiea all along. then again, by that logic, Skypiea should have the ponyglyph for Zeus.

[Ubiq]

@Kakaliaha:

I actually have a theory that there will be only 4 ancient weapons at most, based on the three gods that ruled, and their father, which would be the two mentioned

That's an interesting theory.

It's still too early to guess the number of them as of yet, though if the next is Ouranos, then it's reasonable to assume that Oda is using the planets for this naming system.

[joekido the Second]

Well, if Oda keeps naming weapeons, I'll like to see it. Will he draw Pluton? Posidon? If Oda keeps naming them but never reveles it, it's going to be disappointing.

[changsho]

Will the shape be far different than the ship in the fake blueprints? If not, then we have a pretty good idea how Pluton looks like.

[Ivotas]

@Kakaliaha:

I actually have a theory that there will be only 4 ancient weapons at most, based on the three gods that ruled, and their father, which would be the two mentioned, Hades (Pluton), and Posiden, which are god of the Underworld and god of the Sea. I think the next one to be introduced will be Zeus, who is god of the air.

Hey this is a good theory. I actually always expected to have something like five weapons so going by the three brothers (Zeus, Poseidon, Pluton) their father (Kronos) and his father (Uranus) this number could be accomplished. Well gotta wait and see.

@changsho:

Will the shape be far different than the ship in the fake blueprints? If not, then we have a pretty good idea how Pluton looks like.

Well, I hope that it´ll be far different from it because that ship on the fake blueprints doesn´t look that different from Maxim, except of course that it isn´t a flying ship. I wouldn´t like to see that one of the weapons that can destroy the world would be something that can that easily be built.

[Nico Robin Fan]

@Kakaliaha:

I actually have a theory that there will be only 4 ancient weapons at most, based on the three gods that ruled, and their father, which would be the two mentioned, Hades (Pluton), and Posiden, which are god of the Underworld and god of the Sea. I think the next one to be introduced will be Zeus, who is god of the air. The final one would be the baby eater Cronus although he is technically not a god but a titan, so I would say either 3 or 4 would be my guess. btw Cronus is the son of the titan Uranus, who was castrated by Cronus then took over the ruling position of the titans.

Uh… but Titans, Cyclopes and Hecatonchires were all gods. Isn't it?

[Voodzik]

@Ivotas:

Thanks, I couldn´t think of any examples.

Even bigger thanks for getting us back to the Ancient Weapons. I´m hoping too that one of them will be a flying vehicle. But please no spaceships! XD

Why not a spaceship? Wasn't somebodie's dream to "go to the moon?" If the ancients were so advanced, there could be a whole civilization up there…

Actually, I think that would be cool. A whole city of the ancient civilization on the moon.

Also, has it occured to anyone else that the ancients might not have been himans? What with all the genetic divirsity in One Piece, they could just as easily have been gopher people