I just started to re-read the Thriller Bark Arc and got to the part where Brooke is introduced. He said something that I found pretty interesting, "I have no idea when the end of my second life will come." (http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-443/page015.html). I never really thought of how long Brooke would live until he said that. Anyone have any thoughts on the Yomi Yomi Fruit?
General Devil Fruit Discussion
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So would Marco be able to defend himself from attacks which can slice off limbs if he summons the blue phoenix flames?
And a question about the Yami Yami no Mi. Blackbeard can't let attacks pass through him, but on one piece wiki it says that Blackbeard can still reform his body through the darkness, but what does that mean actually?
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Is there a tree that has all the devil fruits that haven't been eaten yet
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@ShenLong:
So would Marco be able to defend himself from attacks which can slice off limbs if he summons the blue phoenix flames?
And a question about the Yami Yami no Mi. Blackbeard can't let attacks pass through him, but on one piece wiki it says that Blackbeard can still reform his body through the darkness, but what does that mean actually?
We don't really know the full extent of his power and how his recovery thingy works.
He got sea-stoned cuffed..then got shot up…yet afterwards he clearly recovered off that damage. It does make you wonder if he coulda just cut off his hands..and regenerated... -
Yeah, so he wouldn't be able to regenerate sliced off arms or legs i guess, but could he defend himself from this kind of attack if he uses his blue flames?
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We really don't know about the extent of Marco's DF. We can think up what if scenarios all we want, but the truth is we don't know for certain yet. Since this discussion is just going in circles with no definite answers, I'd suggest to just leave it for now.
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But Marco took the attack of Akainu while he used his blue flames, so is he able to instantly heal from any wound if he summons his blue phoenix flames?
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@ShenLong:
And a question about the Yami Yami no Mi. Blackbeard can't let attacks pass through him, but on one piece wiki it says that Blackbeard can still reform his body through the darkness, but what does that mean actually?
I think about the Yami Yami no Mi is that the Logia invincibility is flawed, as he can feel pain when attacked, but still is otherwise invincible. So, if someone cut off his hand, he'll feel the pain, but reform his hand. Like when he was impaled by Ace's fire spears, but had no puncture wounds or burns.
I know the thing with Whitebeard, but it's the same way his hands didn't melt with punching Akainu; Haki via activation of anger.
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Whoa wait, does that mean Blackbeard's head can be sliced off and he still can reform even that?
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@ShenLong:
Whoa wait, does that mean Blackbeard's head can be sliced off and he still can reform even that?
I can't remember any Logias getting their heads cut off, so I dunno.
It would be funny to see, though.
-Edit: Didn't Crocodile lose his in the war? Then, I think so then.
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Yeah Crocodiles head was sliced off by Flamingo. So Blackbeard's head can be sliced off, and he feels the pain, but he can reform this wound is that correct?
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@ShenLong:
But Marco took the attack of Akainu while he used his blue flames, so is he able to instantly heal from any wound if he summons his blue phoenix flames?
Pretty much yeah…
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So Marco can instantly heal if he summons his blue flames, awesome.
But now back to the Yami Yami no Mi.
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@ShenLong:
So Marco can instantly heal if he summons his blue flames, awesome.
The marines were shooting Marco as he was heading for the execution platform in full phoenix mode. The bullets did nothign, it was the same in his confrontation with Kizaru. He takes damage but recovers it off instantly.
But now back to the Yami Yami no Mi.
Can Blackbeard reform himself if his head gets sliced off?Probably can. We'll have to wait and see.
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He cannot; anyone can make contact with Teach as if they were hitting a normal body despite the changes to it resulting from eating the Yami Fruit and subsequently making him a gravityman.
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He should be able to, you are right that Teach can be hit like a normal human, but as i wrote before he can reform his body through the darkness so he should be able to reform his head if it gets sliced off.
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@ShenLong:
He should be able to, you are right that Teach can be hit like a normal human, but as i wrote before he can reform his body through the darkness so he should be able to reform his head if it gets sliced off.
Teach cannot dodge attacks like other logias. When he fights Ace he directly states that since darkness sucks in everything he takes damage from normal attacks. So if he got his head sliced off he would be dead.
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I think about the Yami Yami no Mi is that the Logia invincibility is flawed, as he can feel pain when attacked, but still is otherwise invincible. So, if someone cut off his hand, he'll feel the pain, but reform his hand. Like when he was impaled by Ace's fire spears, but had no puncture wounds or burns.
I know the thing with Whitebeard, but it's the same way his hands didn't melt with punching Akainu; Haki via activation of anger.
Amigo and i already wrote that Blackbeard can reform himself, even OP Wiki states that. Teach cannot let attacks pass through him but reforming should be, that Teach can feel the pain if his head gets sliced off but he can reform himself.
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When did he ever reform himself? I don't remember seeing that.
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@ShenLong:
Amigo and i already wrote that Blackbeard can reform himself, even OP Wiki states that. Teach cannot let attacks pass through him but reforming should be, that Teach can feel the pain if his head gets sliced off but he can reform himself.
What do you mean by reform? When a logia is attacked they transform into their respective elements which allows them to separate and dodge said attack similar to Buggy's power. Teach states he can not dodge attacks like this because his power sucks all things in. Teach has been shown transforming into darkness but has never been shown separating parts of his body or even generating darkness that was not attached to him.
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@ShenLong:
Amigo and i already wrote that Blackbeard can reform himself, even OP Wiki states that. Teach cannot let attacks pass through him but reforming should be, that Teach can feel the pain if his head gets sliced off but he can reform himself.
The wiki is crap, and wrong in this particular case.
I wouldn't recommend using it as a source when discussing things here.
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One time i saw that Teach uses the darkness to reform himself from the fire blast that Ace used on him in the anime. But what does reforming actually mean, reforming means:
Reform means to put or change into an improved form or condition; to amend or improve by change of color or removal of faults or abuses, beneficial change, more specifically, reversion to a pure original state, to repair, restore or to correct.
So it means to go back to the original state which might indicate that Blackbeard can indeed reform his body, but only reform it, he cannot let attacks pass through him.
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@ShenLong:
One time i saw that Teach uses the darkness to reform himself from the fire blast that Ace used on him in the anime.
I stopped reading here.
Don't use the anime either.
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I read also that Teach can reconstruct his body, but that does not mean that he is invulnerale to attacks. I think Blackbeard is able to reform his body, for example if his head gets sliced off, but the problem is, that he still feels the pain and if he cannot absorb the attack he gets wounded.
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What do you mean by reform? When a logia is attacked they transform into their respective elements which allows them to separate and dodge said attack similar to Buggy's power. Teach states he can not dodge attacks like this because his power sucks all things in. Teach has been shown transforming into darkness but has never been shown separating parts of his body or even generating darkness that was not attached to him.
Not saying that Blackbeard can reform himself, but didn't Apoo make damage to Kizaru's actual body, and only after that he reformed himself with his powers? That's how it looked to me, but I don't know.
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Borsalino wasn't hurt by either of Apoo's attacks despite being taken by surprise so no damage was done.
It's like how Sakazuki was cut in half by Crocodile's Desert Spada at Marineford yet all it did was stop him for a second, magmaman wasn't hurt at all. Same thing with Doflamingo slicing off sandman's head right after stopping Ace from getting killed.
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Not saying that Blackbeard can reform himself, but didn't Apoo make damage to Kizaru's actual body, and only after that he reformed himself with his powers? That's how it looked to me, but I don't know.
ShenLong was using the term reform to basically mean heal. I would describe what happens to most logias (any other than Blackbeard ) when they are hit by an attack as separating and reforming.
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Borsalino wasn't hurt by either of Apoo's attacks despite being taken by surprise no damage was done.
I meant that after his body was exploded in half, it was burning. And because I don't think that light can burn, it means that it was his actual body that was on fire. After that his body changed to light and reformed itself. I didn't say that he was hurt.
ShenLong was using the term reform to basically mean heal. I would describe what happens to most logias (any other than Blackbeard ) when they are hit by an attack as separating and reforming.
Oh, I misunderstood that then. Forget what I said.
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@ShenLong:
I read also that Teach can reconstruct his body, but that does not mean that he is invulnerale to attacks. I think Blackbeard is able to reform his body, for example if his head gets sliced off, but the problem is, that he still feels the pain and if he cannot absorb the attack he gets wounded.
The nature of his logia would probably render any attempt at decapitation void. He'd absorb the damage of the attack - though i'd expect you'd still see blood spurt outta his neck or somethin because of the damage…
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So as some of you stated too, Blackbeard is able to reconstruct his body through his darkness, for example when someone slices off his head or arm.
The nature of his logia would probably render any attempt at decapitation void. He'd absorb the damage of the attack - though i'd expect you'd still see blood spurt outta his neck or somethin because of the damage…
And what LightningAce is right too, Blackbeard can reform his wounds but he still bleeds and feels the pain. I think the reason why we didn't see that before is, that it would be too gory, Blackbeard looses his head, blood everywhere and than he reforms himself.
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Teach is an exception amongst logias, that's the entire point so no he cannot.
I meant that after his body was exploded in half, it was burning. And because I don't think that light can burn, it means that it was his actual body that was on fire. After that his body changed to light and reformed itself. I didn't say that he was hurt.
Simple aftereffects, it'd be like wondering why Luffy still gets bruises from punches despite being pretty much immune to blunt damage.
Besides, Borsalino's default state is light so there wasn't any changing. Feel free to disagree though I guess.
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I still think he would be able too, what else does it mean that he can reconstruct/reform his body?
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@ShenLong:
I still think he would be able too, what else does it mean that he can reconstruct/reform his body?
I think the same.
But we should wait for Oda or the manga to explain and not be so self confident when stating your opinion.
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@ShenLong:
I still think he would be able too, what else does it mean that he can reconstruct/reform his body?
It's all well and good what you think, but you don't really have anything backing it up. If you have any pages backing it up feel free to show them.
So again, from what we've been shown it doesn't seem that Teach is able to reform due to his nature as a gravityman. His body is permanently made to suck in attacks sent his way without any part of Teach being dissipated or sent away like the other logias.
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But you haven't anything to backing up your statement too so i still think he's able to reform these kind of wounds. Of course there are still devil fruits which haven't been much explained yet, for example i also think that Teach can wield two devil fruit powers because of the Yami Yami no Mi.
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I meant that after his body was exploded in half, it was burning. And because I don't think that light can burn, it means that it was his actual body that was on fire. After that his body changed to light and reformed itself. I didn't say that he was hurt.
His body was never on fire. There was an explosion and there was smoke. He was in his logia state.
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@ShenLong:
But you haven't anything to backing up your statement too so i still think he's able to reform these kind of wounds. Of course there are still devil fruits which haven't been much explained yet, for example i also think that Teach can wield two devil fruit powers because of the Yami Yami no Mi.
The entire fight with Ace already does that. So do the little scuffles with Newgate and Sengoku.
Unless you can show a scan of Teach's body end up separated and his gravity reforming it, which never happened during either of the above, then yes you're mistaken.
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@ShenLong:
But you haven't anything to backing up your statement too so i still think he's able to reform these kind of wounds. Of course there are still devil fruits which haven't been much explained yet, for example i also think that Teach can wield two devil fruit powers because of the Yami Yami no Mi.
Oda has never stated that Teach can heal his wounds so why would anyone automatically assume Teach can heal himself. The standard assumption should be that characters don't have special abilities unless we are told otherwise so I don't see why Vanessa needs to back up the standard assumption.
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But as i wrote before he can reconstruct/reform his body from that wounds. Just because we didn't see his head fly off doesn't mean that he's not able to reform after that kind of wound.
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Well then, why the hell is it a logia ? It should've been a paramecia then… I mean there must be a reason for it to be logia, everything has a reason and explanation and Oda never leaves something unexplained. And we all know that logias can bring their body together.
I doubt that Oda will just say "Well he is like that, acts like paramecia but is a logia cuz darkness is an element thats too good to be called paramecia."
He does suck in all the attacks but I still think that If someone was able to cuz his head off ( He is darkness, gravity and his body is being held together by some serious power I bet ) he could just return it back. Or the sword could be stuck in his head or neck which would inflict massive pain but wouldn't kill him.
And there is also no reason to back up your teory that he can't regenerate IF being cut.
This is liek discussing about the gender and hair color of a unborn baby lol ( if you get me ).
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@ShenLong:
But as i wrote before he can reconstruct/reform his body from that wounds. Just because we didn't see his head fly off doesn't mean that he's not able to reform after that kind of wound.
Every powerful attack leaves him bloodied. Its clear he can't recover off the attacks. WB's slash and eq left him bleeding from his body - even though he is a logia.
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Well then, why the hell is it a logia ? It should've been a paramecia then… I mean there must be a reason for it to be logia, everything has a reason and explanation and Oda never leaves something unexplained. And we all know that logias can bring their body together.
Teach can transform into darkness so his power is logia. He is not intangible because darkness in one peace apparently sucks in everything including attacks.
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@triforcebh: The Yami Fruit covers all three aspects of what a logia is capable of. I have an older post here that explains it.
You're focusing too much on how Teach can still get hurt, he's really not that different from other logias in general.
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But as i wrote before he can reconstruct/reform his body from that wounds. Just because we didn't see his head fly off doesn't mean that he's not able to reform after that kind of wound.
You're the one making the claim so you have to back it up with a credible source.
You have not done so, and saying "we didnt see it so that proves it" is a very bad way to go about it. Neither is repeating yourself over and over.
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I wrote that he can reform his body, that means he can get hit by sword attacks like in the case when whitebeard slashes Blackbeard's torso. But Blackbeard as a logia devil fruit user should be able to reconstruct his wounds. That isn't the same thing as healing. Blackbeard uses the darkness to bring his body back to it's normal state.
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Teach can transform into darkness so his power is logia. He is not intangible because darkness in one peace apparently sucks in everything including attacks.
That makes me think that his limbs can't even be cut off. He can be pierced and etc but his body parts wont part D:
Like if he was lying on the ground and someone let's say WB hit him with the spear in the stomach it would end up being stuck in there and wouldn't split him in 2.
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@ShenLong:
So as some of you stated too, Blackbeard is able to reconstruct his body through his darkness, for example when someone slices off his head or arm.
And what LightningAce is right too, Blackbeard can reform his wounds but he still bleeds and feels the pain. I think the reason why we didn't see that before is, that it would be too gory, Blackbeard looses his head, blood everywhere and than he reforms himself.
I totally disagree with this theory, because it is not based on any facts at all! There's just a couple of guys here stating it as a fact multiple times and that makes it true? No! And the anime supposedly showing it or the wikia saying it doesn`t help either, because as mentioned before, both tend to screw up at times.
In an attempt to argument for the opposite, so far I believe any logia user that CAN easily dodge with their element has been clearly shown doing so. To state that Oda doesn
t show Blackbeard losing his head is because it would be too horrible is a poor argument. It falls in the same category as Ace burning people. Off course it would look horrible in real life, but you don
t have to show it as such.I believe it is clearly said that logia users dodge attacks by changing into their elements. Blackbeard having an element that sucks everything in cannot dodge attacks because of that reason. No logia we have seen so far can reform or heal from wounds inflicted in human form. That
s marco's power. The reason they can survive a head being cut off is because its technically not cut off. You see the reflex of a logia
s power (when trained enough as seen with Ace and Smoker in Alabasta) turns a part of the body into the element after which it is separated either by the same reflex or by the cut. The logia is not wounded as long as sides that would normally be surrounded by more body are turned to the element. Blackbeards logia does not support separation because the unlimited pull of his gravity element simply dont allow it.This could perhaps also explain why Borsalino is so good at not getting hurt by attacks, enough not to care the slightest bit about it. Why you ask? Because as the opposite of gravitational darkness, light separates very well!
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@ShenLong:
I wrote that he can reform his body, that means he can get hit by sword attacks like in the case when whitebeard slashes Blackbeard's torso. But Blackbeard as a logia devil fruit user should be able to reconstruct his wounds. That isn't the same thing as healing. Blackbeard uses the darkness to bring his body back to it's normal state.
Logias are intangible they do not get hit by attacks they dodge them. Blackbeard is special because he can't dodge.
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His body was never on fire. There was an explosion and there was smoke. He was in his logia state.
I said that he was on fire because as you know, there's usually no smoke without fire. But yeah, the main point was the smoke, so sorry for not being clear enough.
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But Akainu for example has been hit several times and through his element magma he reformed his body, he didn't turned into magma, his body just reformed through his element.
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Near the end of the Marineford war you can see that Blackbeard's wound to his shoulder that Whitebeard inflicted is still there and bleeding. That should make it clear enough that Blackbeard can't "heal" bodily injuries – and nor can any other Logia user, for that matter. Marco is the only person capable of doing that, because his power is actually regeneration; with the Logias it's more of a side-effect and they don't really regenerate damage, they don't take it in the first place. Blackbeard just can't avoid taking it.