Why the hate for the fight? Kaku's devil fruit actually enhanced his attacks, it didn't detract anything from the fight and also added funny elements.
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With regards to what is being said about the new Admiral, wouldn't they have to be freakishly tall like the existing admirals? Having a normal size human or even a VA sized human would look very silly if you lined them up. I think John would make a good candidate for this reason, but maybe it will be a new character we haven't seen anything of.
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I think John would make a good candidate for this reason.
LOL, John Giant is a fodder for top tier fighters. He really can't be considered to be a good candidate.
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And since he was ko in the middle of the bay when Aka Inu launched his meteor fist attack, if we learn that he's dead I won't surprise me.
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Fair enough, what I mean to say is that it is unlikely to be an existing VA that we have seen. I really can't see Oda drawing a tiny (well normal sized) admiral to replace whoever becomes the fleet admiral. Sure it is an aesthetic thing, but if Oda went to the trouble of drawing all three in a particular way, then I would have thought he would maintain this. That said, not sure if I remember correctly, but back when Sakazuki was a va was he normal sized? Maybe it is a reflection of greater gained power and thus anyone could still be in line for it with a bit of a redraw.
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@Dr.:
Garp and Tsuru didn't use swords either.
Well, they're special kind of VA. Tsuru is a tactician, not a fighter, and Garp could have been an Admiral if he wanted to.
Well, his encounter with Whitebeard does tell us a few things. Firstly, that John Giant evidently thought that he would be capable of halting Whitebeard, even if only temporarily. While he was a bit optimistic regarding his chances, I'd still like to think that a top-ranking Marine who voluntarily puts himself right in front of a charging Whitebeard and intends to fight with him has to be one of the strongest. And secondly, Whitebeard did use some pretty heavy stuff to take him out. Whereas he simply smashed Ronse's head into the deck of his ship, he applied a great deal more force to John Giant, tilting the whole island and delivering a punch similar to the one that felled Akainu.
So combined with how he seemingly holds high authority in MHQ - there's what you mentioned with the Buster Call, but he was also seen as far back as shortly after Arlong's defeat, making a grand speech about Absolute Justice (which, in fact, makes him the first Marine with the rank of VA or above seen in the whole series, if I'm not entirely mistaken) - I think there's sufficient reason to believe that he's one of the absolute strongest Vice Admirals. I'm looking forward to hopefully seeing more of him in the future.
He knew he can't stop WB, he could just slow him down a little. I think he was the only VA that attacked WB (well, he isn't there was Ronse too, but I thought of the "little" VAs), and that's important in my opinion. It might be because he's a giant, after all, it matters. And he seems to be a special giant as he isn't in the Giant Squad.
But I have to disagree with the Ronse thing. Of course it wasn't the best idea to sneak up onto WB and then shout while attacking. But WB didn't just smashed Ronse, he sent a quake bubble right to his head while JG didn't looked like he suffered that much. Wb did use his power on him too, but he hit "only" his stomach, I think. I'm not sure. And I'm not saying that Ronse is more powerful, I completely agree that JG should be one of the strongest VAs. If only we knew what happened to them after the war. Did those 3 giants survived? (We see Lacroix being held by another giant, but we didn't see Ronse or JG). -
He knew he can't stop WB, he could just slow him down a little. I think he was the only VA that attacked WB (well, he isn't there was Ronse too, but I thought of the "little" VAs), and that's important in my opinion. It might be because he's a giant, after all, it matters. And he seems to be a special giant as he isn't in the Giant Squad.
But I have to disagree with the Ronse thing. Of course it wasn't the best idea to sneak up onto WB and then shout while attacking. But WB didn't just smashed Ronse, he sent a quake bubble right to his head while JG didn't looked like he suffered that much. Wb did use his power on him too, but he hit "only" his stomach, I think. I'm not sure. And I'm not saying that Ronse is more powerful, I completely agree that JG should be one of the strongest VAs. If only we knew what happened to them after the war. Did those 3 giants survived? (We see Lacroix being held by another giant, but we didn't see Ronse or JG).Well the fact that he attacked WB in itself, and it wasn't an attempted cheap-shot while WB looked away as with Ronse, speaks to his strength in my opinion. If you recall, some of the Buster Call VAs seemingly ran away from Oars Junior; they were seen standing right in front of him in one picture and the next the Giant Squad are rushing to deal with him. Oars wasn't halted until the Shichibukai interfered, so it seems the human VAs had trouble stopping him.
He did use a quake bubble, but the "quake punches" seem to be his most powerful attacks - it was one of those that later felled Akainu. And he also tilted the entire island seemingly in order to get a clean shot at JG. With the two combined, it seems to me like even WB respected JG's strength and knew that he couldn't take him out quickly without doing something drastic. Which, while it still makes JG high-level fodder to WB, still comes off as highly impressive, when one considers that people like Jimbei and Ivankov were basically fodder to Akainu, who is weaker than WB.
Oh, and WB directed his quake punch at JG's chest, seemingly his left side. Which I suppose would be a pretty dangerous part of your body to take a quake to.
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Well the fact that he attacked WB in itself, and it wasn't an attempted cheap-shot while WB looked away as with Ronse, speaks to his strength in my opinion. If you recall, some of the Buster Call VAs seemingly ran away from Oars Junior; they were seen standing right in front of him in one picture and the next the Giant Squad are rushing to deal with him. Oars wasn't halted until the Shichibukai interfered, so it seems the human VAs had trouble stopping him.
He did use a quake bubble, but the "quake punches" seem to be his most powerful attacks - it was one of those that later felled Akainu. And he also tilted the entire island seemingly in order to get a clean shot at JG. With the two combined, it seems to me like even WB respected JG's strength and knew that he couldn't take him out quickly without doing something drastic. Which, while it still makes JG high-level fodder to WB, still comes off as highly impressive, when one considers that people like Jimbei and Ivankov were basically fodder to Akainu, who is weaker than WB.
Oh, and WB directed his quake punch at JG's chest, seemingly his left side. Which I suppose would be a pretty dangerous part of your body to take a quake to.
I think the "small" VAs only retreated because they knew the Giant Squad would stop Oars Jr. They were wrong, but nonetheless, that's what the GS was there for.
It's really hard to decide which attack was stronger. For me it seemed when WB finished off Ronse, he was pretty angry beacuse Oars Jr. "died", and he probably used Ronse to reduce his stess. And we saw that he threw Ronse away like a doll, but we didn't see what happened to JG. Also, in JG's case, the attack wasn't directly for him, it destroyed a part of Marineford. Well, that doesn't mean it wasn't as powerful as against Ronse moreover it was probably stronger. It would help if we knew what happened to JG shortly after that attack.
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Figured the Quake Bubble is WB's instant kill, thus most powerful, move since he is concentrating his quake into a single spot. Earthquakes get weaker the further away from their epicenter. Bubble makes it so someone feels the full force of an earthquake splitting their brain and skull.
Makes sense the VA's fighting styles aren't as varied as the Shichibukai. They are a part of a military thus train the same core abilities. Some deciding to specialize in certain styles more than others. Bogart for the new Admiral, just putting that out there.
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I think the "small" VAs only retreated because they knew the Giant Squad would stop Oars Jr. They were wrong, but nonetheless, that's what the GS was there for.
It's really hard to decide which attack was stronger. For me it seemed when WB finished off Ronse, he was pretty angry beacuse Oars Jr. "died", and he probably used Ronse to reduce his stess. And we saw that he threw Ronse away like a doll, but we didn't see what happened to JG. Also, in JG's case, the attack wasn't directly for him, it destroyed a part of Marineford. Well, that doesn't mean it wasn't as powerful as against Ronse moreover it was probably stronger. It would help if we knew what happened to JG shortly after that attack.
Still seems iffy to me considering they were right in front of him. Literally very, very close. Just seems kind of lame for such a powerful group of people to simply retreat, but I suppose you've a point that the Giant Squad were supposed to deal with Oars.
I read it as the attack going straight through John Giant, starting at his chest, then continuing on because of the sheer force applied. The same thing happened when Whitebeard later attacked Akainu. The quake bubble seems to be concentrating vibrations within that bubble - as Whitebeard's power is technically "vibrations" - while the quake punch or "air splitter" is the one that uses those vibrations to hit like a real earthquake. As for what happened to JG, it would indeed be nice to know… although I honestly doubt he's dead, since I hope and think that he'll play a role in the story. He was probably out cold the same as Ronse for the remainder of the war (and some time afterwards, as well).
In any case, this discussion really gives us an idea of the difference in level between the Admirals and the Vice Admirals. Akainu took both a quake bubble and a quake punch, in rapid succession, and got back up maybe ten minutes later and tore through Jimbei, Iva and Curiel like a hot knife through butter. So as strong as JG is, I suppose he's far from Admiral standards…
Makes sense the VA's fighting styles aren't as varied as the Shichibukai. They are a part of a military thus train the same core abilities.
Good point.
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Still seems iffy to me considering they were right in front of him. Literally very, very close. Just seems kind of lame for such a powerful group of people to simply retreat, but I suppose you've a point that the Giant Squad were supposed to deal with Oars.
I read it as the attack going straight through John Giant, starting at his chest, then continuing on because of the sheer force applied. The same thing happened when Whitebeard later attacked Akainu. The quake bubble seems to be concentrating vibrations within that bubble - as Whitebeard's power is technically "vibrations" - while the quake punch or "air splitter" is the one that uses those vibrations to hit like a real earthquake. As for what happened to JG, it would indeed be nice to know… although I honestly doubt he's dead, since I hope and think that he'll play a role in the story. He was probably out cold the same as Ronse for the remainder of the war (and some time afterwards, as well).
In any case, this discussion really gives us an idea of the difference in level between the Admirals and the Vice Admirals. Akainu took both a quake bubble and a quake punch, in rapid succession, and got back up maybe ten minutes later and tore through Jimbei, Iva and Curiel like a hot knife through butter. So as strong as JG is, I suppose he's far from Admiral standards…
Good point.
I think it's also important to remember the state Whitebeard was in. He's an old dude and is very sick. In the state he was in, especially near the end of the war, his attacks probably lacked some of the power he had at the start right when he took his life support or respirator or whatever off.
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Still seems iffy to me considering they were right in front of him. Literally very, very close. Just seems kind of lame for such a powerful group of people to simply retreat, but I suppose you've a point that the Giant Squad were supposed to deal with Oars.
I read it as the attack going straight through John Giant, starting at his chest, then continuing on because of the sheer force applied. The same thing happened when Whitebeard later attacked Akainu. The quake bubble seems to be concentrating vibrations within that bubble - as Whitebeard's power is technically "vibrations" - while the quake punch or "air splitter" is the one that uses those vibrations to hit like a real earthquake. As for what happened to JG, it would indeed be nice to know… although I honestly doubt he's dead, since I hope and think that he'll play a role in the story. He was probably out cold the same as Ronse for the remainder of the war (and some time afterwards, as well).
In any case, this discussion really gives us an idea of the difference in level between the Admirals and the Vice Admirals. Akainu took both a quake bubble and a quake punch, in rapid succession, and got back up maybe ten minutes later and tore through Jimbei, Iva and Curiel like a hot knife through butter. So as strong as JG is, I suppose he's far from Admiral standards…
The small VAs can be strong, but not strong enough to take down a giant monster that bigger than even two giants. (But, it shouldn't have been that big problem for EIGHT giants. Why are they so weak?)
I thought that as well. Still I think Ronse wounded more than JG, but I can be wrong.
I doubt they died though, they're giants. They should survive worse things.
Don't forget that Akainu has a logia df. It's important. Imagine a giant with some kind of logia. And I think Akainu is better than an Admiral now, at least, he ought to be, if he's an FA now.
Secondly, JG is a giant. I wonder if he wasn't, would he be a VA now? It's hard to compare logia df users, non df users, giants etc.Bogart for the new Admiral
That would be surprising. And interesting.
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I don't remember seeing Bogart during the war. Was he present?
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The small VAs can be strong, but not strong enough to take down a giant monster that bigger than even two giants. (But, it shouldn't have been that big problem for EIGHT giants. Why are they so weak?)
I thought that as well. Still I think Ronse wounded more than JG, but I can be wrong.
I doubt they died though, they're giants. They should survive worse things.
Don't forget that Akainu has a logia df. It's important. Imagine a giant with some kind of logia. And I think Akainu is better than an Admiral now, at least, he ought to be, if he's an FA now.
Secondly, JG is a giant. I wonder if he wasn't, would he be a VA now? It's hard to compare logia df users, non df users, giants etc.That would be surprising. And interesting.
You're right they are hard to compare and as we've seen part of the fights in One Piece are luck and situation. Luffy would have had no chance against Eneru if he had not been made from rubber. Ace had no chance against Akainu whose DF was naturally stronger. These sorts of situations mean we can't determine strength of characters (at least not accurately) based on one or two fights.
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the most disappointing thing about one piece is that some day it will end, and there will be no new one piece chapters to look forward to.
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It's hard to compare logia df users, non df users, giants etc.
That's very much true, or at least with giants. Like you said, it seems reasonable that it's hard for normal-sized VAs to take down a monster like that, even though they're strong… but then Kuma shows up and calmly wrecks Oars Junior with a single blow. Is Kuma really THAT much stronger than the smaller VAs? Seems kind of weird to me. And Doflamingo didn't seem like he'd have had any troubles whatsoever casually severing Junior's leg even if he hadn't previously been injured, so you'd think a powerful swordsman like one of the BC VAs should've been able to cut him up as well.
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That's very much true, or at least with giants. Like you said, it seems reasonable that it's hard for normal-sized VAs to take down a monster like that, even though they're strong… but then Kuma shows up and calmly wrecks Oars Junior with a single blow. Is Kuma really THAT much stronger than the smaller VAs? Seems kind of weird to me. And Doflamingo didn't seem like he'd have had any troubles whatsoever casually severing Junior's leg even if he hadn't previously been injured, so you'd think a powerful swordsman like one of the BC VAs should've been able to cut him up as well.
This is where our knowledge ends. We don't why the VAs retreated. It can be because they got an order to do so.They were needed to do something else, like commanding for example. Unfortunately, we didn't see enough of them to be sure. Maybe their role in the war was not to fight (there were exceptions of course), but to order the marines in situations, that couldn't be solved by a Rear-Admiral, Commodore etc. The Admirals were fighting, so I think the VAs had no choice but to low their weapons and shout orders.
I don't remember seeing Bogart during the war. Was he present?
I'm not sure. I don't remember him. Maybe he was watching CobyMeppo?
You're right they are hard to compare and as we've seen part of the fights in One Piece are luck and situation. Luffy would have had no chance against Eneru if he had not been made from rubber. Ace had no chance against Akainu whose DF was naturally stronger. These sorts of situations mean we can't determine strength of characters (at least not accurately) based on one or two fights.
In my opinion, Kizaru wouldn't be an Admiral without that light df. It's extremely powerful
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the most disappointing thing about one piece is that some day it will end, and there will be no new one piece chapters to look forward to.
All good things must come to an end, and if it doesn't end, it'll no longer retain its goodness.
Something this good deserves a satisfying conclusion. -
The small VAs can be strong, but not strong enough to take down a giant monster that bigger than even two giants. (But, it shouldn't have been that big problem for EIGHT giants. Why are they so weak?)
Remember EL's giants? Oimo and Kashi (I hope I spelled them right. . .)? They were very strong, yet got taken down by the combined efforts of the franky family and galley la company, who weren't top tier fighters at all (well, maybe Paulie).
So, for some giants to fail to stop a SUPER MASSIVE GIANT it's not that big of a problem. Giants's strength probably varies a lot between them, just like fishmen's strength has variations and normal people's strength. . .etc.
Just wait to see San Juan Wolf in action to regain your faith in giants. -
Remember EL's giants? Oimo and Kashi (I hope I spelled them right. . .)? They were very strong, yet got taken down by the combined efforts of the franky family and galley la company, who weren't top tier fighters at all (well, maybe Paulie).
So, for some giants to fail to stop a SUPER MASSIVE GIANT it's not that big of a problem. Giants's strength probably varies a lot between them, just like fishmen's strength has variations and normal people's strength. . .etc.
Just wait to see San Juan Wolf in action to regain your faith in giants.I agree with you completely on the issue of Giants having a wide range of strength (think Oimo and Kaashi vs Dorry and Broggy or Saul). However, you are neglecting the fact that although they are also huge both Odz and Oars as well as San Juan Wolf and Wadatsumi are probably not really giants. At least not in the conventional sense. They both appear to be from unique species that are not completely human in origin.
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Remember EL's giants? Oimo and Kashi (I hope I spelled them right. . .)? They were very strong, yet got taken down by the combined efforts of the franky family and galley la company, who weren't top tier fighters at all (well, maybe Paulie).
So, for some giants to fail to stop a SUPER MASSIVE GIANT it's not that big of a problem. Giants's strength probably varies a lot between them, just like fishmen's strength has variations and normal people's strength. . .etc.
Just wait to see San Juan Wolf in action to regain your faith in giants.I understand.
But eight giant supposed to be a dangerous opponent for the pirates, regardless their individual strength. With a little teamwork, they should've defeated Oars Jr, no matter his size. Well, it's still early to judge their capabilities, I hope we will see them soon.
I want to regain my faith in the Giant Squad. I don't care that much for San Juan, and I don't think he's a giant. At least, not a regular one. -
Gecko Moria who probably died,although he was probably on of the strongest sichibukai
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One disappointing thing I know is when Shanks sacrificed his arm, when he is suppose to be one of the strongest characters in OP.
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As for the giant issue, yeah, you guys are probably right, ranking San Juan and/or Oars as giants is a very debatable issue. I just thought they were refeared as being such, but again it may have been just a reference to them being so huge they are "gigantic". Anyway, my point remains the same; I think a tag team of the 3 giants Jacoobus named (Saul, Dorry and Broggy) would probably be a perfectly legit match for Oars jr.
@ Death; It was never stated that Moria was one of the strongest. In fact, all the evidence points at him being one of the weakest. And I highly doubt he is dead. At all.
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Gecko Moria who probably died,although he was probably on of the strongest sichibukai
As much as I want that to be true.
He was rescued by his crewmate with the invisablity fruit power who had powerful strength as well - so he could easily carry and move quickly with Moriah.
He also has Doctor Hogback, this points to his survival being likely.I'm guessing those out there believing he will make a re-appearence when Luffy ends up against Kaido(spelling)
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@Jen&Berry:
One disappointing thing I know is when Shanks sacrificed his arm, when he is suppose to be one of the strongest characters in OP.
It was either lose the arm and save Luffy or save the arm and lose Luffy.
Besides, we don't even know if Shanks was as strong or influential twelve years ago as he is now.
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@Cyan:
It was either lose the arm and save Luffy or save the arm and lose Luffy.
Besides, we don't even know if Shanks was as strong or influential twelve years ago as he is now.
It always bothered me that.
But what I am thinking is that Oda had the whole Haki planned out - I think of the points at which Luffy had his CoC awaken. Perhaps the Sea King was Shanks CoC awakening, I mean after he lost the arm he went and visited Rayleigh(spelling). Which would be an ideal situation to have Shanks learn how to weild it properly.
I know many people think that Haki is something recent but I believe that with Logias being present in the OP Universe Haki had to be required to fight it.
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Haki was around as early as Mantra at the least.
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@JERK:
Haki was around as early as Mantra at the least.
It's also possible that Zolo's cutting through stone thing in Alabasta was an underdeveloped form of haki.
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@Cyan:
It was either lose the arm and save Luffy or save the arm and lose Luffy.
Besides, we don't even know if Shanks was as strong or influential twelve years ago as he is now.
Well his comments to Luffy when he left was that the only way to pass him up as a pirate was to become the pirate king.
He was already revered by WB and known to have fought Shanks.
Supposedly loosing an arm didn't weaken him. That seems to suggest he didn't get stronger either.
Seems clear to me his place in the world was the same then as it is now.
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It's also possible that Zoro's cutting through stone thing in Alabasta was an underdeveloped form of haki.
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@JERK:
Haki was around as early as Mantra at the least.
Shanks and the sea monster thingy when he was rescuing Luffy.
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For a Yonkou, Shanks sure wasn't well known….
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So far they never even met a merchant ship
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So far they never even met a merchant ship
Because this is the age of Pirates? Would like to see one though….
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For a Yonkou, Shanks sure wasn't well known….
Are you talking about back when he was with chibi Luffy in Windmill Village? Why do you say so? All we know is what one Mountain bandit tribe knew, or didn't know, to be more exact–we have no idea if the folks at Windmill Village knew who he was, since it was never directly addressed.
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Nami doesn't know him…. Not until Garp reveal that he is a Yonkou
Well, I can only guess it's because he never have a bad reputation... Even in Romance Dawn one-shot says that he doesn't have bad reputation... I won't dwell too much on something that's not canon... But, Oda probably have that in mind about Shanks...and he used that for the series... -
For a Yonkou, Shanks sure wasn't well known….
Yonkou are probably not as well known in the Blues, with the exception of Whitebeard.
Since most people didn't know about devil fruits or thought they were myths/legend, it's clear that there isn't a lot of information leaving the Grand Line.Okay, BAWW ahead, I warned you.
! Keimi in the latest chapter kinda disappointed me.
I mean, Hatchi has risked his life and freedom to save your ass countless times and now he has severe injuries - which would have never had happened had you not wanted to get on a ferris wheel against all common sense - and you suddenly don't even have the guts to go visit him in the hospital or at the very least get into contact with him somehow? dsia;oghasdg wtf is this? Why is it that Keimi could go to a place where she knew kidnappers were fucking everywhere and had to make everyone her personal bodyguard but is too scared to visit the guy who rescued her 50 times in the hospital???
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We don't know what happened in the last 2 years.
Since it was shown Keimi wasn't with him a year ago when he got injured, I figure it was implied she left for Fishman Island soon after the SHs got separated.
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most disappointing:
BB didnt die in impel down.
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Oda doesn't kill off good villians that easily. Kubo does that.
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Why would Oda kill off the main villain just before the midway point?
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I love one piece storyline and it's unique quirky eccentric characters, but I'd have to say it has it's share of problems.
1. Too many damn fillers, ok fillers are ok to make the series long but too much in the anime gets really annoying especially when you want it to hurry up and get to the main story arcs.
2. Puns are fun but after a while they get annoying, especially one after another.
especially when brook is involved ( though I like brook but he gotta lay off the
puns repetition.3. Like those side stories in the front of the arcs in the manga but should be put in
more than just the title page say maybe 2 pages or 3, so he can further develop
the past characters side stories.4. Needs to stop saving everyone let some villians die or the world government powerhouse that way he can add new people with more crazy quirks as wg officials.
actually one piece is the one anime i like fillers for
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For a Yonkou, Shanks sure wasn't well known….
Think about it like that:
When you go in a small village anywhere on the world and you would pick a random inhabitant and ask him the question:
Who is the president of America, who is the Bundeskanzler(in) in Germany, who is head of state in Britain and who is the leader in China?I think most of those guys you would ask or even some you know don
t know the answer for everyone. So it is with Yonkous in the world of OP. Most likely everybody knows that they
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Think about it like that:
When you go in a small village anywhere on the world and you would pick a random inhabitant and ask him the question:
Who is the president of America, who is the Bundeskanzler(in) in Germany, who is head of state in Britain and who is the leader in China?I think most of those guys you would ask or even some you know don
t know the answer for everyone. So it is with Yonkous in the world of OP. Most likely everybody knows that they
re around and important..but how actually each name is.. many just forgot, dont remember or don
t know.To further your example, in Shank's case they would of had to have not only known Shank's name but put it to his face. Not to mention like someone else said, were not sure how many of the villagers knew of him before getting there. Some villagers probably did know, we just don't see that many interactions with him and villagers aside from Luffy and the mountain bandits.
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Or maybe Shanks wasn't a yonkou back then.
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The fact people can go months or years at a time meet up and suddenely act like nothing has happened. Most notably crocodile and luffys meeting in Impel Down, and the Strawhats reunion. I mean at least mention that the last time i saw you was when i kicked your ass. Hachi is another example.